Looking for a printer that you can refill yourself

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I am looking for a color inkjet printer that has good overall color
printing capability and can be refilled reliably. Being able to
visually see the ink level would be a plus. I don't want a printer
where the manufacturer's object in life is to maximize his return on
ink sales.

Its photo capability should be (from 1 to 10) a 7, its use of ink
should be in the 8 to 9 area with factory ink or 4 to 5 with user
refills. Its reliability for all the ink colors working without
cleaning the hell out of it about a 9.


I would like to keep the cost at under $300. Any suggestions??


To give you an idea of what I am used to, I have an Epson 740. The
photos it makes are very acceptable (it would be nice to have that
quality). The use of the ink drives me nuts. At about $40 a pop for
refills about once a month or so, it drove me to the refill market. Its
reliability using the refills leaves something to be desired. If the
sponge drys out--forget it! I don't want a sponge in my new printer.


I had an old fairly high speed HP color inkjet (Can't remember the
model, but it was a high end home/small business $500 printer about 10
years ago) that used refills very well and was very reliable, but not
good for photos.


I have never used a Cannon or other inkjet but I have heard good things
about Cannon and Lexmark.

 

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Canon


<eganders@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1120914945.429761.155880@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> I am looking for a color inkjet printer that has good overall color
> printing capability and can be refilled reliably. Being able to
> visually see the ink level would be a plus. I don't want a printer
> where the manufacturer's object in life is to maximize his return on
> ink sales.
>
> Its photo capability should be (from 1 to 10) a 7, its use of ink
> should be in the 8 to 9 area with factory ink or 4 to 5 with user
> refills. Its reliability for all the ink colors working without
> cleaning the hell out of it about a 9.
>
>
> I would like to keep the cost at under $300. Any suggestions??
>
>
> To give you an idea of what I am used to, I have an Epson 740. The
> photos it makes are very acceptable (it would be nice to have that
> quality). The use of the ink drives me nuts. At about $40 a pop for
> refills about once a month or so, it drove me to the refill market. Its
> reliability using the refills leaves something to be desired. If the
> sponge drys out--forget it! I don't want a sponge in my new printer.
>
>
> I had an old fairly high speed HP color inkjet (Can't remember the
> model, but it was a high end home/small business $500 printer about 10
> years ago) that used refills very well and was very reliable, but not
> good for photos.
>
>
> I have never used a Cannon or other inkjet but I have heard good things
> about Cannon and Lexmark.
>

 

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You'll get a lot of answers on this one.

Do a Google search. Your question has been asked squillions of
times...and answered as often. (Squillions: a non-metric unit of
measurement.)

FWIW, I recently bought the Canon iP 4000 specifically because it's
about the easiest and least-expensive to refill...also one of the
least expensive to buy. For the money and refill ease, I think you
can't go wrong.

YMMV and others will disagree.


DaveinFLL
==========================
It's not the heat, it's the humidity
==========================
(Think the humidity's bad?
You should watch us vote!)
==========================

 

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Epson with a CIS system. A R300 or R800 would do what you require and give
super quality. I get stunning results with an Olympus C70 for point and
shoot and R300 with monitor and I still use my Olympus E20 for more serious
work with the R300.


<eganders@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1120914945.429761.155880@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> I am looking for a color inkjet printer that has good overall color
> printing capability and can be refilled reliably. Being able to
> visually see the ink level would be a plus. I don't want a printer
> where the manufacturer's object in life is to maximize his return on
> ink sales.
>
> Its photo capability should be (from 1 to 10) a 7, its use of ink
> should be in the 8 to 9 area with factory ink or 4 to 5 with user
> refills. Its reliability for all the ink colors working without
> cleaning the hell out of it about a 9.
>
>
> I would like to keep the cost at under $300. Any suggestions??
>
>
> To give you an idea of what I am used to, I have an Epson 740. The
> photos it makes are very acceptable (it would be nice to have that
> quality). The use of the ink drives me nuts. At about $40 a pop for
> refills about once a month or so, it drove me to the refill market. Its
> reliability using the refills leaves something to be desired. If the
> sponge drys out--forget it! I don't want a sponge in my new printer.
>
>
> I had an old fairly high speed HP color inkjet (Can't remember the
> model, but it was a high end home/small business $500 printer about 10
> years ago) that used refills very well and was very reliable, but not
> good for photos.
>
>
> I have never used a Cannon or other inkjet but I have heard good things
> about Cannon and Lexmark.
>

 

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In article <1120914945.429761.155880@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
eganders@yahoo.com () wrote:

> I don't want a printer where the manufacturer's object in life is to
> maximize his return on ink sales.

I'd give up now, then.

Jon.

 

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eganders - there are two links that deal with refilling or aftermarket
cartridges (carts for short) Neil Slade's site is interesting and has some
good information - http://www.neilslade.com/papers/inkjetstuff.html
The other is the Nifty stuff forum. http://www.nifty-stuff.com/forum/
They are both helpful in sorting out the aftermarket ink and cartridge issue
and helping someone to get started with these products if they wish to.

Canon printers are ideal for those who want to refill carts as there are no
chips in the cartridges (Epson and HP) that make refilling a bit more
complex. They are also transparent and allow you to know the ink level
prior to and during refilling. There is one individual on this NG who
always follows your question about aftermarket ink and carts and my response
with negative comments. While he is certainly entitled to his opinion, he,
by his own admission, has never refilled carts or used aftermarket carts or
inks.

I use a Canon i960 printer (six color) with bulk MIS inks and find my photos
to be equally as beautiful as with Canon inks. Several participants in this
ng use Formulabs bulk inks, also very successfully. After you read Neil's
site about his technique for refilling and read instructions from various
ink vendor's sites you can then decide if you want to refill. I find it
easy to do, not too time consuming, and minimally messy. With rubber gloves
on and a work area that can survive a few little drops of ink you will soon
learn the little tricks that make it really easy.

Generic inks - those that are sold to be used for several manufacturers'
printer - are to be avoided. Although there may be several decent bulk inks
I would stay with either MIS or Formulabs bulk ink, both of which claim to
be formulated for each specific manufacturer and model. Formulabs is
available from Alotofthings. You can refill the original carts and there are
also
aftermarket empty carts available that are quite good. Some people have
reported using Arrow prefilled carts from Alotofthings and then refilling
them. There are several references to spongeless carts on the Nifty-stuff
site. The ones they have tried for Canon printers have not generally
worked out well. I have refilled OEM canon carts as many as 10 times before
they stop functioning properly. I have also refilled empty carts purchased
from MIS and have a set of empty carts from Hobbicolors that I haven't tried
yet. There was one individual who posted a message on this NG who uses the
Hobbicolor carts and inks and says they are excellent in color match and
function.

I tried refilling an Epson Stylus 900 and had difficulty getting decent
color balance. These carts were also more difficult to refill as the sponge
fills the entire cartridge and requires removal of the foam (air plus the
ink remaining in the sponge) prior to refilling. The Canon BCI-6 and BCI-3
carts have two chambers, one of which is a reservoir and the other a
sponge-filled section from which the ink is delivered. You only need to
refill the reservoir and should do so when the reservoir is about 3/4 empty.

The current Canon Pixma line does have a six color printer with the same
print head as the i960 I use. The photo print quality is excellent in my
estimation. It has the usual CMYK inks plus a photo cyan and phot magenta
with lower dye loads that are used to blend colors better. There is also an
eight color model that adds red and green inks for more vivid colors in
those spectrums. I have read posting on this NG that also praise the
IP4000, a CMYK printer with an added black pigment based cart for text
printing. Those would be the models I would consider.

Before you buy the printer, however, do read Neil Slade and Nifty sites for
background info. If you have further questions you can sign in to the
Nifty-stuff forum and ask any questions you wish. It is a very friendly,
helpful forum for newcomers and very experienced computer users alike. Be
sure that you don't use aftermarket products unless they havebeen personally
recommended by people that have used them.

 

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In article <1120914945.429761.155880@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
eganders@yahoo.com says...
> I am looking for a color inkjet printer that has good overall color
> printing capability and can be refilled reliably. Being able to
> visually see the ink level would be a plus. I don't want a printer
> where the manufacturer's object in life is to maximize his return on
> ink sales.
>
> Its photo capability should be (from 1 to 10) a 7, its use of ink
> should be in the 8 to 9 area with factory ink or 4 to 5 with user
> refills. Its reliability for all the ink colors working without
> cleaning the hell out of it about a 9.
>
>
> I would like to keep the cost at under $300. Any suggestions??
>
>
> To give you an idea of what I am used to, I have an Epson 740. The
> photos it makes are very acceptable (it would be nice to have that
> quality). The use of the ink drives me nuts. At about $40 a pop for
> refills about once a month or so, it drove me to the refill market. Its
> reliability using the refills leaves something to be desired. If the
> sponge drys out--forget it! I don't want a sponge in my new printer.
>
>
> I had an old fairly high speed HP color inkjet (Can't remember the
> model, but it was a high end home/small business $500 printer about 10
> years ago) that used refills very well and was very reliable, but not
> good for photos.
>
>
> I have never used a Cannon or other inkjet but I have heard good things
> about Cannon and Lexmark.
>
>
I am getting excellent results with a Canon i960, refilling with bulk
ink from alotofthings.com (they also sell on eBay). Refills cost about
50 cents per cartridge and are extremely easy to do, requiring only
syringe & needle, and hot glue gun to seal cartridge (and masking or
duct tape during the refill. Cartridges are transparent, and printer
reliably signals when they are low. The i960 is no longer made, but
tigerdirect.com had some at good prices a few months ago. The current
pixma line has all the virtues of the i960, and the 3000 and 4000 have
gotten good reviews and are available now at deep discounts plus some
rebates. These are 3 colors plus black, and appear to work very near the
level of the 6 color i960.
MIS inks also get good reviews, but cost about twice as much (still
really cheap), however I'm getting perfect results with my refills, so I
would go with alotofthings.com again if I had it to do over again (or if
I ever run out).

 

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Burt wrote:

>eganders - there are two links that deal with refilling or aftermarket
>cartridges (carts for short) Neil Slade's site is interesting and has some
>good information - http://www.neilslade.com/papers/inkjetstuff.html
>The other is the Nifty stuff forum. http://www.nifty-stuff.com/forum/
>They are both helpful in sorting out the aftermarket ink and cartridge issue
>and helping someone to get started with these products if they wish to.
>
>

THESE ARE SLANTED VIEW FROM REFILLERS.

>Canon printers are ideal for those who want to refill carts as there are no
>chips in the cartridges (Epson and HP) that make refilling a bit more
>complex. They are also transparent and allow you to know the ink level
>prior to and during refilling. There is one individual on this NG who
>always follows your question about aftermarket ink and carts and my response
>with negative comments. While he is certainly entitled to his opinion, he,
>by his own admission, has never refilled carts or used aftermarket carts or
>inks.
>
>I use a Canon i960 printer (six color) with bulk MIS inks and find my photos
>to be equally as beautiful as with Canon inks. Several participants in this
>ng use Formulabs bulk inks, also very successfully. After you read Neil's
>site about his technique for refilling and read instructions from various
>ink vendor's sites you can then decide if you want to refill. I find it
>easy to do, not too time consuming, and minimally messy. With rubber gloves
>on and a work area that can survive a few little drops of ink you will soon
>learn the little tricks that make it really easy.
>
>Generic inks - those that are sold to be used for several manufacturers'
>printer - are to be avoided. Although there may be several decent bulk inks
>I would stay with either MIS or Formulabs bulk ink, both of which claim to
>be formulated for each specific manufacturer and model. Formulabs is
>available from Alotofthings. You can refill the original carts and there are
>also
>aftermarket empty carts available that are quite good. Some people have
>reported using Arrow prefilled carts from Alotofthings and then refilling
>them. There are several references to spongeless carts on the Nifty-stuff
>site. The ones they have tried for Canon printers have not generally
>worked out well. I have refilled OEM canon carts as many as 10 times before
>they stop functioning properly. I have also refilled empty carts purchased
>from MIS and have a set of empty carts from Hobbicolors that I haven't tried
>yet. There was one individual who posted a message on this NG who uses the
>Hobbicolor carts and inks and says they are excellent in color match and
>function.
>
>I tried refilling an Epson Stylus 900 and had difficulty getting decent
>color balance. These carts were also more difficult to refill as the sponge
>fills the entire cartridge and requires removal of the foam (air plus the
>ink remaining in the sponge) prior to refilling. The Canon BCI-6 and BCI-3
>carts have two chambers, one of which is a reservoir and the other a
>sponge-filled section from which the ink is delivered. You only need to
>refill the reservoir and should do so when the reservoir is about 3/4 empty.
>
>The current Canon Pixma line does have a six color printer with the same
>print head as the i960 I use. The photo print quality is excellent in my
>estimation. It has the usual CMYK inks plus a photo cyan and phot magenta
>with lower dye loads that are used to blend colors better. There is also an
>eight color model that adds red and green inks for more vivid colors in
>those spectrums. I have read posting on this NG that also praise the
>IP4000, a CMYK printer with an added black pigment based cart for text
>printing. Those would be the models I would consider.
>
>Before you buy the printer, however, do read Neil Slade and Nifty sites for
>background info. If you have further questions you can sign in to the
>Nifty-stuff forum and ask any questions you wish. It is a very friendly,
>helpful forum for newcomers and very experienced computer users alike. Be
>sure that you don't use aftermarket products unless they havebeen personally
>recommended by people that have used them.
>
>
>
>

 

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I use printpal.com at about one half the cost you have listed
I have used several epson products. your carts are $3.95 and $4.95 each fyi
if I have chosen the correct 740
Just offered as another way to keep printing
...
<eganders@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1120914945.429761.155880@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>I am looking for a color inkjet printer that has good overall color
> printing capability and can be refilled reliably. Being able to
> visually see the ink level would be a plus. I don't want a printer
> where the manufacturer's object in life is to maximize his return on
> ink sales.
>
> Its photo capability should be (from 1 to 10) a 7, its use of ink
> should be in the 8 to 9 area with factory ink or 4 to 5 with user
> refills. Its reliability for all the ink colors working without
> cleaning the hell out of it about a 9.
>

 

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In article <Jb3Ae.9064$Tc6.6224@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>,
inkystinky@oem.com (measekite) wrote:

> THESE ARE SLANTED VIEW FROM REFILLERS.

They should balance your slanted views, then.

Jon.

 

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Irwin Peckinloomer wrote:

>In article <1120914945.429761.155880@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
>eganders@yahoo.com says...
>
>
>>I am looking for a color inkjet printer that has good overall color
>>printing capability and can be refilled reliably. Being able to
>>visually see the ink level would be a plus. I don't want a printer
>>where the manufacturer's object in life is to maximize his return on
>>ink sales.
>>
>>Its photo capability should be (from 1 to 10) a 7, its use of ink
>>should be in the 8 to 9 area with factory ink or 4 to 5 with user
>>refills. Its reliability for all the ink colors working without
>>cleaning the hell out of it about a 9.
>>
>>
>>I would like to keep the cost at under $300. Any suggestions??
>>
>>
>>To give you an idea of what I am used to, I have an Epson 740. The
>>photos it makes are very acceptable (it would be nice to have that
>>quality). The use of the ink drives me nuts. At about $40 a pop for
>>refills about once a month or so, it drove me to the refill market. Its
>>reliability using the refills leaves something to be desired. If the
>>sponge drys out--forget it! I don't want a sponge in my new printer.
>>
>>
>>I had an old fairly high speed HP color inkjet (Can't remember the
>>model, but it was a high end home/small business $500 printer about 10
>>years ago) that used refills very well and was very reliable, but not
>>good for photos.
>>
>>
>>I have never used a Cannon or other inkjet but I have heard good things
>>about Cannon and Lexmark.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>I am getting excellent results with a Canon i960, refilling with bulk
>ink from SNIP (they also sell on eBay).
>

Oh NO

> Refills cost about
>50 cents per cartridge and are extremely easy to do, requiring only
>syringe & needle, and hot glue gun to seal cartridge
>

A MESS AND A PAIN IN THE ASS

>(and masking or
>duct tape during the refill.
>
HAHAHAHA

>Cartridges are transparent, and printer
>reliably signals when they are low. The i960 is no longer made, but
>tigerdirect.com had some at good prices a few months ago. The current
>pixma line has all the virtues of the i960, and the 3000 and 4000 have
>gotten good reviews and are available now at deep discounts plus some
>rebates. These are 3 colors plus black, and appear to work very near the
>level of the 6 color i960.
>MIS inks also get good reviews,
>
TOTALLY UNBRANDED GENERIC STUFF WHERE THEY WILL NOT TELL YOU WHAT YOU
ARE BUYING

>but cost about twice as much (still
>really cheap), however I'm getting perfect results
>
THE CLOGS WILL COME PECKERBLOOMER

>with my refills, so I
>would go with SNIP again if I had it to do over again (or if
>I ever run out).
>
>

 

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Jon O'Brien wrote:

>In article <Jb3Ae.9064$Tc6.6224@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>,
>inkystinky@oem.com (measekite) wrote:
>
>
>
>>THESE ARE SLANTED VIEW FROM REFILLERS.
>>
>>
>
>They should balance your slanted views, then.
>
>Jon.
>
>
:-D

 

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In article <uScAe.114$mN1.84@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>,
inkystinky@oem.com says...
>
>
> Irwin Peckinloomer wrote:
>
> >In article <1120914945.429761.155880@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> >eganders@yahoo.com says...
> >
> >
> >>I am looking for a color inkjet printer that has good overall color
> >>printing capability and can be refilled reliably. Being able to
> >>visually see the ink level would be a plus. I don't want a printer
> >>where the manufacturer's object in life is to maximize his return on
> >>ink sales.
> >>
snip
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >I am getting excellent results with a Canon i960, refilling with bulk
> >ink from SNIP (they also sell on eBay).
> >
>
> Oh NO

Actually, Oh yes!

And the vendors name he snipped out (for Sentient inks that I am using)
is alotofthings.com. Measly doesn't like them because they were rude to
him (I wonder what caused that?) and badmouths them while admitting he
has never done business with them. I've dealt with them once, and thier
product and service was excellent. (Maybe that's because I didn't act
like a complete jackass moron psycho, but I'm just guessing).
>

Measly then goes into his usual bit about not knowing who made the ink,
etc.

Since he obviously didn't read or understand the question or my
response, let me point out that we are talking about buying bulk ink for
refilling cartridges. I do know who made my ink, because it has
manufaucturers name, lot number and mfg. date on each bottle of ink
(Measly doesn't know this, because he has never seen a bottle of bulk
ink, by his own admission). This is way more information than he gets
when he buys his OEM cartridges. In addition, since I will be using ink
from the same bottle the next 100 or so times I refill, I am assured of
getting ink from the same batch each time. When he buys a new Canon
cartridge, he has no idea if the ink is even from the same sub-
contractor, much less what batch it is from. I doubt this is a problem,
but since I don't buy Canon cartridges I'll just have to imagine all the
problems this causes Measly, just like he imagines that refilling causes
me problems (get the subtle point here, fantasy boy?)

Also pay no attention to his cries about how messy it is to refill,
since he has never done it, and is only imagining what it must be like.

 

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Irwin Peckinloomer wrote:

>In article <uScAe.114$mN1.84@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>,
>inkystinky@oem.com says...
>
>
>>Irwin Peckinloomer wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>In article <1120914945.429761.155880@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
>>>eganders@yahoo.com says...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>I am looking for a color inkjet printer that has good overall color
>>>>printing capability and can be refilled reliably. Being able to
>>>>visually see the ink level would be a plus. I don't want a printer
>>>>where the manufacturer's object in life is to maximize his return on
>>>>ink sales.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>snip
>
>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>I am getting excellent results with a Canon i960, refilling with bulk
>>>ink from SNIP (they also sell on eBay).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>Oh NO
>>
>>
>
>Actually, Oh yes!
>
>And the vendors name he snipped out (for Sentient inks that I am using)
>is snip.com. Measly doesn't like them because they were rude to
>him (I wonder what caused that?) and badmouths them while admitting he
>has never done business with them. I've dealt with them once, and thier
>product and service was excellent. (Maybe that's because I didn't act
>like a complete jackass moron psycho, but I'm just guessing).
>
>
>
>Measly then goes into his usual bit about not knowing who made the ink,
>etc.
>
>Since he obviously didn't read or understand the question or my
>response, let me point out that we are talking about buying bulk ink for
>refilling cartridges.
>
Oh No

Try to get prefilled carts

>I do know who made my ink, because it has
>manufaucturers name, lot number and mfg. date on each bottle of ink
>(Measly doesn't know this, because he has never seen a bottle of bulk
>ink, by his own admission). This is way more information than he gets
>when he buys his OEM cartridges. In addition, since I will be using ink
>from the same bottle the next 100 or so times I refill, I am assured of
>getting ink from the same batch each time.
>

Hey stupid, I can buy a gallon from Sensinent and have a lifetime of
ink. ha ha ha

>When he buys a new Canon
>cartridge, he has no idea if the ink is even from the same sub-
>contractor, much less what batch it is from. I doubt this is a problem,
>but since I don't buy Canon cartridges I'll just have to imagine all the
>problems this causes Measly,
>
None Peckerbloomer

>just like he imagines that refilling causes
>me problems (get the subtle point here, fantasy boy?)
>
>Also pay no attention to his cries about how messy it is to refill,
>since he has never done it, and is only imagining what it must be like.
>
>

Do you imagine what it is like to get laid?

>
>
>

 

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Since a CIS is a costly investment, often as much as the printer, I
would suggest against the R300 because it isn't a very robust machine,
and has relatively small capacity for waste ink, and I'm not sure the
protection numbers can be reset without use of an Epson service depot.

You could replace the printer if it reaches the waste ink limits, but
eventually the printer will become unavailable and the CIS may not fit
another printer easily, or at all. I would therefore suggest going with
a better quality and large model, like the R800, which has larger waste
ink pads and can have the waste ink pads renewed by a service depot at
"reasonable" cost, if required.


Art

Shooter wrote:

> Epson with a CIS system. A R300 or R800 would do what you require and give
> super quality. I get stunning results with an Olympus C70 for point and
> shoot and R300 with monitor and I still use my Olympus E20 for more serious
> work with the R300.
>
>
> <eganders@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1120914945.429761.155880@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
>>I am looking for a color inkjet printer that has good overall color
>>printing capability and can be refilled reliably. Being able to
>>visually see the ink level would be a plus. I don't want a printer
>>where the manufacturer's object in life is to maximize his return on
>>ink sales.
>>
>>Its photo capability should be (from 1 to 10) a 7, its use of ink
>>should be in the 8 to 9 area with factory ink or 4 to 5 with user
>>refills. Its reliability for all the ink colors working without
>>cleaning the hell out of it about a 9.
>>
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>>I would like to keep the cost at under $300. Any suggestions??
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>>To give you an idea of what I am used to, I have an Epson 740. The
>>photos it makes are very acceptable (it would be nice to have that
>>quality). The use of the ink drives me nuts. At about $40 a pop for
>>refills about once a month or so, it drove me to the refill market. Its
>>reliability using the refills leaves something to be desired. If the
>>sponge drys out--forget it! I don't want a sponge in my new printer.
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>>I had an old fairly high speed HP color inkjet (Can't remember the
>>model, but it was a high end home/small business $500 printer about 10
>>years ago) that used refills very well and was very reliable, but not
>>good for photos.
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>>I have never used a Cannon or other inkjet but I have heard good things
>>about Cannon and Lexmark.
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