Epson 8 tank printer at best buy.

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I saw an awesome printer today at Best Buy. It was an epson 8 tank, 13 X
19 -?? wide format. I was jealous over my current printer. but, technology
keeps leap frogging, so no need to be too jealous! Anyway, I apologize that
I did not write down the model number. I think this was it - R1800

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7162438&type=product&productCategoryId=cat01018&id=1110265594557

Sounds like a nice unit. Anyone here have it and can comment on the pros and
cons (I know they all have cons--- no such thing as perfect) ?

Thanks in advance.

 

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Hi,
It is the R1800 and it puts out some brilliant photos from what I've been
able to see in the past 6 weeks I've been using it. My only gripe is the
cost for the ink I need to feed it from Epson. However, one of the chief
reasons for its print longevity is the pigmented inks it uses. It does some
impressive work and as an added feature prints on CDs as well.

--
Jan Alter
bearpuf@verizon.net
or
jalter@phila.k12.pa.us
"Robbie" <nospamforme@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>I saw an awesome printer today at Best Buy. It was an epson 8 tank, 13 X
> 19 -?? wide format. I was jealous over my current printer. but, technology
> keeps leap frogging, so no need to be too jealous! Anyway, I apologize
> that
> I did not write down the model number. I think this was it - R1800
>
> http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7162438&type=product&productCategoryId=cat01018&id=1110265594557
>
> Sounds like a nice unit. Anyone here have it and can comment on the pros
> and
> cons (I know they all have cons--- no such thing as perfect) ?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
>

 

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On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 01:40:39 GMT, "Jan Alter" <bearpuf@verizon.net>
wrote:

> It is the R1800 and it puts out some brilliant photos from what I've been
>able to see in the past 6 weeks I've been using it. My only gripe is the
>cost for the ink I need to feed it from Epson. However, one of the chief
>reasons for its print longevity is the pigmented inks it uses. It does some
>impressive work and as an added feature prints on CDs as well.

Are those ink refillable? I'll assume the printer needs to be chipped
to use a refilled tank.

I'm leery of epson because they are a bitch when it comes to refilling
inks and my brother's last printer quit working properly after only
one cart (CX5200) yet couldn't get anything done under warranty.
--
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too late. - by anonymous Mother in Austin, TX
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[zakezuke]

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> I can't see much point in buying the R1800 in order to refill it. The main
> selling point is the quality of the ink.

I think the other selling points is the high resolution, color profile
support, and the fact that piezo based systems are very forgiving
regarding the medium you put through it. And with a MIS system, those
huge external tanks, this makes one nice poorman's printshop.

 

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In article <r0%ze.2358$rC4.2352@trndny03>, bearpuf@verizon.net (Jan Alter)
wrote:

> However, one of the chief reasons for its print longevity is the
> pigmented inks it uses.

Pigment, not pigmented. The latter means it's a dye-based ink with added
pigments.

Jon.

 

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Jon O'Brien wrote:

>In article <r0%ze.2358$rC4.2352@trndny03>, bearpuf@verizon.net (Jan Alter)
>wrote:
>
>
>
>>However, one of the chief reasons for its print longevity is the
>>pigmented inks it uses.
>>
>>
>
>Pigment, not pigmented. The latter means it's a dye-based ink with added
>pigments.
>
>Jon.
>
>
DUH

 

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Impmon wrote:

>On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 01:40:39 GMT, "Jan Alter" <bearpuf@verizon.net>
>wrote:
>
>
>
>> It is the R1800 and it puts out some brilliant photos from what I've been
>>able to see in the past 6 weeks I've been using it. My only gripe is the
>>cost for the ink I need to feed it from Epson. However, one of the chief
>>reasons for its print longevity is the pigmented inks it uses. It does some
>>impressive work and as an added feature prints on CDs as well.
>>
>>
>
>Are those ink refillable?
>
I HOPE NOT

> I'll assume the printer needs to be chipped
>to use a refilled tank.
>
>

I HOPE SO

WHO WANTS TO RUIN THE PERMANENT PRINTHEAD IN AN EXPENSIVE PRINTER.

>I'm leery of epson because they are a bitch when it comes to refilling
>inks
>
GOOD

>and my brother's last printer quit working properly after only
>one cart (CX5200) yet couldn't get anything done under warranty.
>
>

 

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"Impmon" <impmon@digi.mon> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 01:40:39 GMT, "Jan Alter" <bearpuf@verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
>> It is the R1800 and it puts out some brilliant photos from what I've
>> been
>>able to see in the past 6 weeks I've been using it. My only gripe is the
>>cost for the ink I need to feed it from Epson. However, one of the chief
>>reasons for its print longevity is the pigmented inks it uses. It does
>>some
>>impressive work and as an added feature prints on CDs as well.
>
> Are those ink refillable? I'll assume the printer needs to be chipped
> to use a refilled tank.
>
> I'm leery of epson because they are a bitch when it comes to refilling
> inks and my brother's last printer quit working properly after only
> one cart (CX5200) yet couldn't get anything done under warranty.
> --

I can't see much point in buying the R1800 in order to refill it. The main
selling point is the quality of the ink.

 

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Caitlin wrote:

>"Impmon" <impmon@digi.mon> wrote in message
>news:4v31d1tr9q8cu52ohqsnfm3bsnci5df2pa@4ax.com...
>
>
>>On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 01:40:39 GMT, "Jan Alter" <bearpuf@verizon.net>
>>wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> It is the R1800 and it puts out some brilliant photos from what I've
>>>been
>>>able to see in the past 6 weeks I've been using it. My only gripe is the
>>>cost for the ink I need to feed it from Epson. However, one of the chief
>>>reasons for its print longevity is the pigmented inks it uses. It does
>>>some
>>>impressive work and as an added feature prints on CDs as well.
>>>
>>>
>>Are those ink refillable? I'll assume the printer needs to be chipped
>>to use a refilled tank.
>>
>>I'm leery of epson because they are a bitch when it comes to refilling
>>inks and my brother's last printer quit working properly after only
>>one cart (CX5200) yet couldn't get anything done under warranty.
>>--
>>
>>
>
>I can't see much point in buying the R1800 in order to refill it. The main
>selling point is the quality of the ink.
>
>

HOOOORAH

>
>
>

 

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Well, an ink may be dye based ink or pigmented ink. Sure you can call them
dye ink or pigment ink. I have never heard of pigmented ink being dye based
ink with pigment added.

Jon O'Brien wrote:

> In article <r0%ze.2358$rC4.2352@trndny03>, bearpuf@verizon.net (Jan Alter)
> wrote:
>
>
>>However, one of the chief reasons for its print longevity is the
>>pigmented inks it uses.
>
>
> Pigment, not pigmented. The latter means it's a dye-based ink with added
> pigments.
>
> Jon.

 

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Stevelee wrote:

> Well, an ink may be dye based ink or pigmented ink. Sure you can call
> them
> dye ink or pigment ink. I have never heard of pigmented ink being dye
> based
> ink with pigment added.


I LIKE IT WHEN YOU JERK OBCANOBEE OFF

>
> Jon O'Brien wrote:
>
>> In article <r0%ze.2358$rC4.2352@trndny03>, bearpuf@verizon.net (Jan
>> Alter) wrote:
>>
>>
>>> However, one of the chief reasons for its print longevity is the
>>> pigmented inks it uses.
>>
>>
>>
>> Pigment, not pigmented. The latter means it's a dye-based ink with
>> added pigments.
>>
>> Jon.
>

 

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On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 13:35:13 +1000, "Caitlin"
<caitlin_online_nospam@hotmail.com> wrote:


>
>I can't see much point in buying the R1800 in order to refill it. The main
>selling point is the quality of the ink.
>
That's true up to a point. However, when I bought my 2100 I wanted a
CIS so I had to go elsewhere and got excellent results from Permajet.

--

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Fashion: Buying things you don't need, with money
you don't have, to impress people you don't like...

 

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In article <h2aAe.20$Rv7.8@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>, "
Stevelee"@hotmail.com ( Stevelee) wrote:

> I have never heard of pigmented ink being dye based ink with pigment
> added.

You have now!

Jon.

 

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I see. Where did you get such an idea? Please don't tell me it's
your own invention. I will keep my mind open to learn. Give me
a pointer please.

Jon O'Brien wrote:
> In article <h2aAe.20$Rv7.8@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>, "
> Stevelee"@hotmail.com ( Stevelee) wrote:
>
>
>>I have never heard of pigmented ink being dye based ink with pigment
>>added.
>
>
> You have now!
>
> Jon.

 

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In article <4bnAe.660$mN1.379@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>, "
Stevelee"@hotmail.com ( Stevelee) wrote:

> I see. Where did you get such an idea? Please don't tell me it's
> your own invention. I will keep my mind open to learn. Give me
> a pointer please.

We've already been over this here, a few months back. If you search
back through the newsgroup you'll find a longish thread on the subject.

Jon.

 

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You may also wish to look at the Epson 2400 with the new K3 (three
saturation levels of black ink) set. Both the R1800 and 2400 use pigment
colorant inks.

Art

Robbie wrote:

> I saw an awesome printer today at Best Buy. It was an epson 8 tank, 13 X
> 19 -?? wide format. I was jealous over my current printer. but, technology
> keeps leap frogging, so no need to be too jealous! Anyway, I apologize that
> I did not write down the model number. I think this was it - R1800
>
> http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7162438&type=product&productCategoryId=cat01018&id=1110265594557
>
> Sounds like a nice unit. Anyone here have it and can comment on the pros and
> cons (I know they all have cons--- no such thing as perfect) ?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
>

 

[frederick]

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Arthur Entlich wrote:
> You may also wish to look at the Epson 2400 with the new K3 (three
> saturation levels of black ink) set. Both the R1800 and 2400 use pigment
> colorant inks.
>
> Art
>
IIRC, there are really two saturation levels. A light black and two
full blacks - one for gloss/semi gloss, one for matte. Replacement of
cartridge and priming is required when changing media. A nuisance, but
apparently not a waste of ink - as the priming doesn't expel ink.
The R2400 apparently excels at printing B&W with no metamerism. Both
excel printing colour.
For gloss/semi gloss printing, the R1800 uses a gloss optimiser to even
out the gloss level / eliminate bronzing. The R2400 does not - the new
ink is claimed not to need it. The gloss level on very high gloss
papers is reduced by the gloss optimiser on the R1800, and apparently
also by the ink on the R2400.
I don't know why, but the R1800 is a 1.5pl minimum drop size, the R2400
3pl. I haven't seen the R2400 in action, so don't know if this makes
any visible difference.
The R1800 prints CDs, the R2400 does not, but has a straight through
paper path to handle heavier media than the R1800. The R2400 is more
expensive.

 

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Some inks are made by taking pigment particles and dyeing them. It's a
hybrid ink. It is usually more stable than just dye inks, and yet the
colors can be made more dense that way.

The newer pigment inks make this less of a feature, since the colors
that can be produced with just pigment has been improved considerably.

Art

Stevelee wrote:

> I see. Where did you get such an idea? Please don't tell me it's
> your own invention. I will keep my mind open to learn. Give me
> a pointer please.
>
> Jon O'Brien wrote:
>
>> In article <h2aAe.20$Rv7.8@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>, "
>> Stevelee"@hotmail.com ( Stevelee) wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I have never heard of pigmented ink being dye based ink with pigment
>>> added.
>>
>>
>>
>> You have now!
>>
>> Jon.

 

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I'm afraid your information on the 2400 is not correct.


the 2400 is a 8 color printer, plus offering two full black options.

The standard color set is:

Cyan
Light Cyan
Magenta
Light Magenta
Yellow
Black (either matte or photo)
Light black
Light-light black

Or, as I stated, three black levels.

The dense black can be exchanged between the two (matte or photo), so a
total of 9 "color" cartridges are available. The minimum ink droplet
size is 3.5 pl.

I do not understand how a purge can be facilitated without having the
ink be removed from the head. I suspect you may be confusing something.

The whole point of the purging process is to remove the ink within the
head channels so that the new ink source (matte or photo) is flushed
through the head so the ink type doesn't change during the printing process.

I would also be surprised if Epson has reintroduced separate dark black
ink head purging pumps, which would mean all the heads are purged each
time a change is made, but I haven't yet seen the specifics to comment
about that aspect.

Art

frederick wrote:

> Arthur Entlich wrote:
>
>> You may also wish to look at the Epson 2400 with the new K3 (three
>> saturation levels of black ink) set. Both the R1800 and 2400 use
>> pigment colorant inks.
>>
>> Art
>>
> IIRC, there are really two saturation levels. A light black and two
> full blacks - one for gloss/semi gloss, one for matte. Replacement of
> cartridge and priming is required when changing media. A nuisance, but
> apparently not a waste of ink - as the priming doesn't expel ink.
> The R2400 apparently excels at printing B&W with no metamerism. Both
> excel printing colour.
> For gloss/semi gloss printing, the R1800 uses a gloss optimiser to even
> out the gloss level / eliminate bronzing. The R2400 does not - the new
> ink is claimed not to need it. The gloss level on very high gloss
> papers is reduced by the gloss optimiser on the R1800, and apparently
> also by the ink on the R2400.
> I don't know why, but the R1800 is a 1.5pl minimum drop size, the R2400
> 3pl. I haven't seen the R2400 in action, so don't know if this makes
> any visible difference.
> The R1800 prints CDs, the R2400 does not, but has a straight through
> paper path to handle heavier media than the R1800. The R2400 is more
> expensive.

 

[frederick]

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Arthur Entlich wrote:
> I'm afraid your information on the 2400 is not correct.
>
>
> the 2400 is a 8 color printer, plus offering two full black options.
>
> The standard color set is:
>
> Cyan
> Light Cyan
> Magenta
> Light Magenta
> Yellow
> Black (either matte or photo)
> Light black
> Light-light black
>
> Or, as I stated, three black levels.

Ooops - quite right - my mistake.
>
> The dense black can be exchanged between the two (matte or photo), so a
> total of 9 "color" cartridges are available. The minimum ink droplet
> size is 3.5 pl.
>
> I do not understand how a purge can be facilitated without having the
> ink be removed from the head. I suspect you may be confusing something.
>
> The whole point of the purging process is to remove the ink within the
> head channels so that the new ink source (matte or photo) is flushed
> through the head so the ink type doesn't change during the printing
> process.
>
> I would also be surprised if Epson has reintroduced separate dark black
> ink head purging pumps, which would mean all the heads are purged each
> time a change is made, but I haven't yet seen the specifics to comment
> about that aspect.
>

Photo-i review seemed to think so, but that was speculation.
I am a bit mystified by cartridge changes on these printers. Is it
better to just replace all cartridges below about 20% when one is empty?
A lot of ink seems to be purged from all cartridges when one is replaced.

> Art
>
> frederick wrote:
>
>> Arthur Entlich wrote:
>>
>>> You may also wish to look at the Epson 2400 with the new K3 (three
>>> saturation levels of black ink) set. Both the R1800 and 2400 use
>>> pigment colorant inks.
>>>
>>> Art
>>>
>> IIRC, there are really two saturation levels. A light black and two
>> full blacks - one for gloss/semi gloss, one for matte. Replacement of
>> cartridge and priming is required when changing media. A nuisance,
>> but apparently not a waste of ink - as the priming doesn't expel ink.
>> The R2400 apparently excels at printing B&W with no metamerism. Both
>> excel printing colour.
>> For gloss/semi gloss printing, the R1800 uses a gloss optimiser to
>> even out the gloss level / eliminate bronzing. The R2400 does not -
>> the new ink is claimed not to need it. The gloss level on very high
>> gloss papers is reduced by the gloss optimiser on the R1800, and
>> apparently also by the ink on the R2400.
>> I don't know why, but the R1800 is a 1.5pl minimum drop size, the
>> R2400 3pl. I haven't seen the R2400 in action, so don't know if this
>> makes any visible difference.
>> The R1800 prints CDs, the R2400 does not, but has a straight through
>> paper path to handle heavier media than the R1800. The R2400 is more
>> expensive.

 

[Rob]

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frederick wrote:
..
> I am a bit mystified by cartridge changes on these printers. Is it
> better to just replace all cartridges below about 20% when one is empty?
> A lot of ink seems to be purged from all cartridges when one is replaced.
>

I having a R210 my first Epson with separate cartridges now do changes
if the printer stops, as well change the almost empty.

If I don't, the purge will empty them hence the original changed
cartridge gets an extra purge upon the next change - what a waste of ink.

rm

 

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frederick wrote:

>
> Photo-i review seemed to think so, but that was speculation.
> I am a bit mystified by cartridge changes on these printers. Is it
> better to just replace all cartridges below about 20% when one is empty?
> A lot of ink seems to be purged from all cartridges when one is replaced.
>
>> Art
>>
>>


You raise a good question, and the answer isn't that easy to determine.

With all Epson single color cartridge printers (other than the large
carriage that use the very large stationary cartridges), the printer
goes through a purge cycle each time a new cartridge is installed, and
all the cartridges/heads are purged equally, since only one purge pump
is engineered into these models.

So the question is does one use more ink replacing cartridges one by one
and having all the other cartridges go through multiple purging, or what?

I don't know the amount of ink that is purged from each cartridge during
an exchange, but multiplied by 6-7 or 8 colors, it could add up pretty fast.

Art

 

[frederick]

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Rob wrote:

> frederick wrote:
> .
>
>> I am a bit mystified by cartridge changes on these printers. Is it
>> better to just replace all cartridges below about 20% when one is empty?
>> A lot of ink seems to be purged from all cartridges when one is replaced.
>>
>
> I having a R210 my first Epson with separate cartridges now do changes
> if the printer stops, as well change the almost empty.
>
> If I don't, the purge will empty them hence the original changed
> cartridge gets an extra purge upon the next change - what a waste of ink.
>
> rm

Yes - a darned nuisance waste of ink. With the R1800, the gloss
optimiser, photo cyan, photo magenta, and yellow ink get used at about
double the rate of the others when printing photos. No doubt that
varies with what the photos are. It looks to me like it could be a good
idea to replace all four at the same time, all eight next time.

 

[Rob]

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frederick wrote:
> Rob wrote:
>
>> frederick wrote:
>> .
>>
>>> I am a bit mystified by cartridge changes on these printers. Is it
>>> better to just replace all cartridges below about 20% when one is empty?
>>> A lot of ink seems to be purged from all cartridges when one is
>>> replaced.
>>>
>>
>> I having a R210 my first Epson with separate cartridges now do changes
>> if the printer stops, as well change the almost empty.
>>
>> If I don't, the purge will empty them hence the original changed
>> cartridge gets an extra purge upon the next change - what a waste of ink.
>>
>> rm
>
>
> Yes - a darned nuisance waste of ink. With the R1800, the gloss
> optimiser, photo cyan, photo magenta, and yellow ink get used at about
> double the rate of the others when printing photos. No doubt that
> varies with what the photos are. It looks to me like it could be a good
> idea to replace all four at the same time, all eight next time.

I've just started with the R1800 testing for a consistent profile, and
making some prints, the levels, (not having printed any normal pages)
are at :95% yellow, 90% Magenta, 80% cyan, 85% Photo black all the
remainder show full. I have the gloss set on automatic.

This is a different pattern of usage to either the R210 or 1270 and what
you are seeing.

rm

 

[frederick]

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Rob wrote:
> frederick wrote:
>
>> Rob wrote:
>>
>>> frederick wrote:
>>> .
>>>
>>>> I am a bit mystified by cartridge changes on these printers. Is it
>>>> better to just replace all cartridges below about 20% when one is
>>>> empty?
>>>> A lot of ink seems to be purged from all cartridges when one is
>>>> replaced.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I having a R210 my first Epson with separate cartridges now do
>>> changes if the printer stops, as well change the almost empty.
>>>
>>> If I don't, the purge will empty them hence the original changed
>>> cartridge gets an extra purge upon the next change - what a waste of
>>> ink.
>>>
>>> rm
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes - a darned nuisance waste of ink. With the R1800, the gloss
>> optimiser, photo cyan, photo magenta, and yellow ink get used at about
>> double the rate of the others when printing photos. No doubt that
>> varies with what the photos are. It looks to me like it could be a
>> good idea to replace all four at the same time, all eight next time.
>
>
> I've just started with the R1800 testing for a consistent profile, and
> making some prints, the levels, (not having printed any normal pages)
> are at :95% yellow, 90% Magenta, 80% cyan, 85% Photo black all the
> remainder show full. I have the gloss set on automatic.
>
> This is a different pattern of usage to either the R210 or 1270 and what
> you are seeing.
>
> rm

Not too far off what I've seen. Certainly Cyan is the first to go.
Are you profiling different (non-epson) papers?
I have fiddled with some Lyson papers, some of which were nice (their
"pro satin", some of which (their "darkroom" series) were pretty
horrible IMO. Tetanal Archival Matte is very nice - I have just used
the epson profile, which is close enough to perfect for me. I note that
Epson's Matte Heavyweight is supposed to be terrible, but as a cheap and
brilliant white card, I don't find it too bad. Maybe I'm not fussy enough.
I agree with the Photo-i review that suggested more sharpening be
applied to images before printing than looks good on screen.
Unsharpened DSLR images are just so smooth that they don't look like
what most people consider "normal" for a photo. All the detail may be
there, but it doesn't stand out.
I haven't seen a need to increase yellow - seems fine to me with
everything at default.