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August 19, 2006 10:36:52 PM

I am finally looking at building my own! Have installed lots of memory, HDs etc before and I have worked with software for years. Just not hardware...so I am looking at this config for mid-level gaming:

Intel D950 3.4Ghz 800Mhz FSB 2*2Mb Cache Dual Core
ASUS P5LD2 MBoard
2Gb DDR2 RAM (2*1Gb)
WD 200Gb SATA II drive (or greater)
Nvidia 7600GT 256Mb graphics
LD DL Burner
Thermaltake Soprano Case with 430W PSU
The usual monitor, kb, speakers etc etc

So how does that sound? Will it be OK for Oblivion? Anything I should replace?

How hard is it to put the MB and CPU in? I can save about $300 doing it myself.

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August 19, 2006 10:50:43 PM

Seriously consider bumping up your GPU if you want to play Oblivion:


http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/7games-gpus_5.html
Also read this: Can your rig run Oblivion?

A 7600GT is useable, but you'll have to sacrifice eye candy to use it. If that doesn't matter, then you're fine.

Here's a guide to assembling a computer - it's not difficult, but it does take some time and organization.
http://sysbuild.corsairmemory.com/report.aspx?id=2

Oh, and have you looked at Conroe?
August 19, 2006 10:55:52 PM

At 1280 the card runs pretty good....

What/who is Conroe? I am in Australia.
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August 19, 2006 11:03:32 PM

At 1280, it's "passable." As I said, if you're willing to lower the resolution and settings, it'll work fine.

Conroe = Intel Core 2 Duo, those newfangled processors on the market. I'm in the US, so I don't know if they've made it to Australia yet. Somehow, I doubt it, due to the supply issues over here. It was just a thought.
August 19, 2006 11:34:04 PM

If you're going to use it for gaming, aren't going with Conroe, and have DDR2 anyway, why not go AM2?

Maybe a 64 X2 4600+?

You'd be better off with an e6400 though.

They're all roughly the same price.
August 19, 2006 11:39:05 PM

I agree with o29: Go with the X2 4600+ or if you still want more bang for your hard earned bucks, then go for the X2 5000.
August 19, 2006 11:50:25 PM

Also, if you're willing to spend a little more on a graphics card, the Radeon X1800 XT is a good choice. If you're willing to tone down some eye candy on the more demanding games, though, then the 7600GT will do just fine.
August 20, 2006 12:08:38 AM

CPU: I would move down to a D945 ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...) - it's the same speed as the D950, but almost $40 cheaper. You could also move to a D915 ($137, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...), and clock it up like hell.

With the extra $40, I would stretch and get a Gigabyte 965P-DS3, which is Conroe ready, and a hell of a overclocker to boot.

965P-DS3: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

EDIT:
Just found this, Conroe E6300 OEM for $186. Same price as the D945. http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?name=E6300

eWiz also ships internationally, though it's outrageously expensive. Newegg doesn't. In either case, prices just for reference, try looking for a local source if possible.
August 20, 2006 2:57:12 AM

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CPU: I would move down to a D945 ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...) - it's the same speed as the D950, but almost $40 cheaper. You could also move to a D915 ($137, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...), and clock it up like hell.

With the extra $40, I would stretch and get a Gigabyte 965P-DS3, which is Conroe ready, and a hell of a overclocker to boot.

965P-DS3: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

EDIT:
Just found this, Conroe E6300 OEM for $186. Same price as the D945. http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?name=E6300

eWiz also ships internationally, though it's outrageously expensive. Newegg doesn't. In either case, prices just for reference, try looking for a local source if possible.


That setup would get owned even by an Athlon X2 3800. :wink:

Do you hate this guy so much to recommend him an PD-945??
August 20, 2006 2:58:54 AM

STFU AMDroid.

I'd recommend a D945 over a D950 any day.
EDIT:
Simply because of price, same speed and less money.
August 20, 2006 4:02:03 AM

Do NOT get a Pentium D; if you can't get a Core 2 Duo, go for an AMD counterpart such as the X2 3800, 4200, or 4600.
August 20, 2006 9:00:08 AM

Isn't what I am buying a dual core machine???

What diff is the Core 2 Duo?
August 20, 2006 9:05:59 AM

Completely reworked architecture.

There's a big difference.

Read the Conroe sticky on this forums for some more info.
August 20, 2006 9:40:47 AM

OK what about this then?

Intel ATX E6400 CORE 2 DUO /2.13GHz/2MB CACHE/1066FSB/LGA775
Asus P5B 775, CORE2EE, P965, 1066FSB, PCIEI6, AUDIO, GbLAN, ATX


Good match?

Or give me a MB for an Athlon system?
August 20, 2006 9:06:27 PM

Any thoughts. Does that intel combo sound good?

What type of memory does that board take?
August 20, 2006 9:29:16 PM

Or would the original MB speciifed - P5LD2-VM work ok?

It is a jungle out there. Was much easier 4 years ago when I purchased my last PC.

Cheers
August 20, 2006 9:46:49 PM

Shouldn't limit yourself to NewEgg, unless its delivery problems of some sort.

You can get that same board at eTech for $221 vs 239.39 (ZZF) vs 259.99 (NewEgg).

But I guess support would be the other thing. :D 
August 20, 2006 10:24:21 PM

Oblivion will stomp on a 7600GT, buy an X1900XT.
August 20, 2006 10:46:15 PM

I am ignoring the video card at the moment.

Just trying to sort out the MB and CPU combo and then AMD vs Intel etc.

The rest is almost easy.

So is the extra $$$ on the P5B vs P5LD2-VM worth it?

I am still confused over Dual Core vs Core Duo as well.
August 20, 2006 10:56:05 PM

Dual Core - A CPU with two cores on one die.
Core (2) Duo - A new line of dual core CPUs from Intel.

Now, even the lowest end Core 2 Duos blow the doors off of the highest end Pentium D, the D965EE. If you ever want to upgrade to the Core 2 Duo, buy the P5B, because the P5LD2-VM doesn't say that it supports C2D. If you don't plan on upgrading the CPU, then the P5LD2-VM is fine.
August 20, 2006 10:58:38 PM

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I am still confused over Dual Core vs Core Duo as well.


Their design is different, and run at different Quad pump bus speed. One difference:

D950 800Mhz FSB
E6xxx 1066 FSB

Also, between those 2, the 950 will draw more wattage, compared to a C2D.

And for the L2 cache, the 2 or 4 MB cache is accessible to both cores on the C2D, to where the PD is not, if I remember correctly.

That the easiest I can explain.
August 20, 2006 11:00:22 PM

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I am finally looking at building my own! Have installed lots of memory, HDs etc before and I have worked with software for years. Just not hardware...so I am looking at this config for mid-level gaming:

Intel D950 3.4Ghz 800Mhz FSB 2*2Mb Cache Dual Core
ASUS P5LD2 MBoard
2Gb DDR2 RAM (2*1Gb)
WD 200Gb SATA II drive (or greater)
Nvidia 7600GT 256Mb graphics
LD DL Burner
Thermaltake Soprano Case with 430W PSU
The usual monitor, kb, speakers etc etc

So how does that sound? Will it be OK for Oblivion? Anything I should replace?

How hard is it to put the MB and CPU in? I can save about $300 doing it myself.


a. Like others have said, try to avoid Pentiums (even dual-core); they've got some overclocking potential... at the expense of 'lots of heat!';

b. If you can, go with the ASUS P5B (not the Deluxe version); it's about 160 Euros (should be much less than US$200, anyway);

c. The E6300 is a good bet for mid-level gaming... as long as you invest on a good GPU (go as far as you can, ATi or nVidia);

d. Two HDDs, if possible (you don't want to stress your system's), even if it means going with lower capacity;

e. Brand DDR2 and a very good PSU (it'll suit you later...); check what brand & specs on the one which comes with your [good] case (430W might be just bare for a demanding GPU...);

As a side note, I'd also advise an UPS (> 600VA); they're cheap and you never know enough...


Cheers!
August 20, 2006 11:05:36 PM

Buy a conroe, dont buy a pen d
August 20, 2006 11:25:08 PM

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At 1280, it's "passable." As I said, if you're willing to lower the resolution and settings, it'll work fine.

Conroe = Intel Core 2 Duo, those newfangled processors on the market. I'm in the US, so I don't know if they've made it to Australia yet. Somehow, I doubt it, due to the supply issues over here. It was just a thought.


You can get Core2Duo processors in Australia.

try www.nintek.com.au
or http://www.pccasegear.com.au/category187_1.htm
or www.auspcmarket.com
or www.msy.com.au
August 20, 2006 11:33:22 PM

Thanks all for the hints. I think the confusion is in the website I am looking at.

www.umart.com.au (Milton office).

It lists the core 2 Duos under a "Intel Core 2 LGA775 Pentium D CPU" title.

And the Dual Core under: " Intel Dual Core LGA775 Pentium D CPU" category.

Weird.

The P5LD2-VM does support Core 2 Duo's as well. So the MB choice is tough.
August 20, 2006 11:37:52 PM

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The P5LD2-VM does support Core 2 Duo's as well. So the MB choice is tough.


That board is a micro ATX board. Not generally the best board for a gaming machine :) 
August 20, 2006 11:42:47 PM

OK so back to this:

Intel ATX E6400 CORE 2 DUO /2.13GHz/2MB CACHE/1066FSB/LGA775
Asus P5B 775, CORE2EE, P965, 1066FSB, PCIEI6, AUDIO, GbLAN, ATX


What in the AMD range compares?
August 20, 2006 11:59:03 PM

I'm just tossing this out, but I would probably pick the X2 4600+ for AM2.
(2.4GHz, 2*512Kb, 1000MHz HT Bus, etc.)

For a motherboard, I have no idea. Here's one AM2 motherboard:
ASUS M2N-E
August 21, 2006 12:00:53 AM

Quote:
Thanks all for the hints. I think the confusion is in the website I am looking at.

www.umart.com.au (Milton office).

It lists the core 2 Duos under a "Intel Core 2 LGA775 Pentium D CPU" title.

And the Dual Core under: " Intel Dual Core LGA775 Pentium D CPU" category.

Weird.

The P5LD2-VM does support Core 2 Duo's as well. So the MB choice is tough.


Heh, I see what you mean:

Quote:
Intel Core 2 LGA775 Pentium D CPU
Intel ATX E6300 CORE 2 DUO /1.86GHz/2MB CACHE/1066FSB/LGA775 Instock $292.00 $300.76
Intel ATX E6400 CORE 2 DUO /2.13GHz/2MB CACHE/1066FSB/LGA775 Instock $353.00 $363.59
Intel ATX E6600 CORE 2 DUO /2.4GHz/4MB CACHE/1066FSB/LGA775 PreorderETA $529.00 $544.87
Intel ATX E6700 CORE 2 DUO /2.67GHz/4MB CACHE/1066FSB/LGA775 Outofstock $899.00 $909.00
Intel CORE 2 EXTREME X6800/2.93GHz/4MB CACHE/1066FSB/LGA775


I guess one thing is for sure, its hard for Intel to get away from the name Pentium. Guess some companies are not adapting to the naming, since Intel wants it to be called "Core 2 Duo" so its no longer a Pentium.

I remember short articles talking about the new name, and most people didn't like it. :lol: 
August 21, 2006 12:01:17 AM

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What in the AMD range compares?


Nothing that will compare to a Core 2 Duo
August 21, 2006 12:08:16 AM

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OK so back to this:

Intel E6400 CORE 2 DUO /2.13GHz/2MB CACHE/1066FSB/LGA775
Asus P5B 775, P965, 1066FSB, PCIE 16, AUDIO, GbLAN, ATX


I'd call it a wise choice, indeed.


Cheers!
August 21, 2006 12:14:58 AM

As well this review certainly swung me. E6400 it is!

http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/intel_core_2_duo_e6...

Now to just confirm my MB.

I am going to get the MB, CPU and Case built at the shop and I will put in the rest.

So what speed DDR2 memory? Is there a huge diff in speed between 800 and 667?

And should I get 2*512 or 2*1024 for today's games? I notice that it takes 4 DIMMS. SO i can still get to 2Gb with 4*512 at a later stage.

Appreciate all of your help. This is a MUCH better way to shop!
August 21, 2006 12:40:28 AM

I think this is where I am up to:

Intel ATX E6400 CORE 2 DUO /2.13GHz/2MB CACHE/1066FSB/LGA775
Asus P5B 775, CORE2EE, P965, 1066FSB, PCIEI6, AUDIO, GbLAN, ATX
DDR2 1G(2x512M)PC5300 667Mhz RAM Corsair value select
Western Digital 320G SATAII 7200 rpm HDD
Pioneer DVR-111DSV 16X DVD-/+R/RW Dual Layer(OEM Silver)(no software)
Thermaltake Soprano Silver with 430W PSU

$1200 (Australian).

Just need to then add a graphics card (Think the 7600GT will be fine for what I play). They are about $250 Australian.

Cheers
August 21, 2006 1:06:44 AM

Now, aren't you glad you asked before buying that Pentium D? :D 

I seriously think you should get more RAM if you're gaming... maybe save a couple of $ on the hard drive?

The 7600GT is an OK video card for today's games, but don't expect to play, say Battlefield 2142 maxed out at 1280x1024.

About the RAM, as I said, I'd recommend 2x1024MB sticks (better than 4x512MB, btw)
August 21, 2006 1:12:47 AM

LOL, I recommended the Pentium D 945/915 thinking he had a fixed budget. Ausbob, if you have the cash, go for Conroe and screw the Pentium.

edit: My reasoning: 945 D == 950 D except cheaper, which the money saved could be put into a conroe-ready motherboard.
August 21, 2006 1:15:34 AM

Quote:
...so I am looking at this config for mid-level gaming:

Intel D950 3.4Ghz 800Mhz FSB 2*2Mb Cache Dual Core
ASUS P5LD2 MBoard
2Gb DDR2 RAM (2*1Gb)

So how does that sound? Will it be OK for Oblivion? Anything I should replace?


He was planning to get that D950 :p 
August 21, 2006 1:21:55 AM

So what speed memory then? 667Mhz OK.

So 2*1024 it is.
August 21, 2006 1:38:13 AM

Yes 667Mhz is very good actually, unless you're an insane overclocking freak or something.

In any case, having 2x1024MB 667Mhz will be far better than 2x512MB 800Mhz.
August 21, 2006 3:46:59 AM

Sold. I will be ordering in the next week.

Thanks for all the help.
August 21, 2006 6:02:22 AM

You're welcome, enjoy your new PC friend ! :D 
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