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August 20, 2006 7:54:08 PM

Hi all. I am thinking of replacing my FX-53 cpu and 6800GT with a X2 4600 cpu and a 7950GX. Will this give me a substantial performance jump? I asked this question elsewhere, and one fellow said the upgrade would only give me about a 20% increase in performance.

Thanks,
Gary
August 20, 2006 8:53:53 PM

Ha ha - you bought an FX-53.


*Points and laughs.*
August 20, 2006 9:28:53 PM

Thanks for the helpful reply. I guess I should have just asked my dog; I would have gotten a better response.
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August 20, 2006 9:34:27 PM

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Thanks for the helpful reply. I guess I should have just asked my dog; I would have gotten a better response.


You should have listened to your dog before you bought that fx-53.
August 20, 2006 9:38:12 PM

So do you have anything worthwhile to say? I dind't come here looking for a smartass, but it looks like I found one.
August 20, 2006 9:56:20 PM

For gaming I'm not to sure. I would check out the CPU comparison chart on Tom's to see where they stack up against each other. I wouldn't however think that the X2 would provide that much of a performance boost.

Now the video card is a different story. I'm sure the 7950 would provide a pretty good performance boost. There again, check out the tools at Toms for more concrete numbers.

Regards.
August 20, 2006 10:03:26 PM

You won't see any difference with the CPU unless you're multitasking, but on the GPU side, the 7950GX2 is roughly 3-4x as powerful as a 6800GT.
August 20, 2006 10:15:48 PM

I wouldn't bother with the CPU if I were you, buy the 7950GX2 and put the cash left over towards a new motherboard, some juicy DDR2, and an E6600 :p 
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August 20, 2006 10:18:11 PM

Don't let these morons get your goat. The fx-53 is still a top performer. The 4600 isn't going to give you anything extra, and will probably give you less performance in gaming right now. 2 years from now..... who knows ? The graphics card on the other hand, is the skin ripping hard-on of video cards, and a dramatic increase in performance you will see.

If you have plan on keeping that computer for years yet to come, you may want to think about getting a dual core processor to keep on hand if the time ever comes that the newer apps and games will demand it.

Good luck...
August 20, 2006 10:49:06 PM

Thanks for the replies. Here's the dilemma. My mobo is AGP. All of the newer graphics cards are PCI. So I have to get a new motherboard. Socket 939 is being phased out; my mobo is 939 and that's what my FX-53 fits. So I figure to go the AM2 route is more future proof, yet this means I have to get a new processor. The X2 4600 is pretty cheap and should hold me until my next bog upgrade, but man I paid a ton for the FX-53 and I hate to let it go.
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August 20, 2006 10:55:00 PM

The motherboard isn't the only thing you will need to replace. Memory, the newer ddr-2, is gonna cost a lot of change. It's your money, spend it where you want.
August 20, 2006 11:17:55 PM

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Hi all. I am thinking of replacing my FX-53 cpu and 6800GT with a X2 4600 cpu and a 7950GX. Will this give me a substantial performance jump? I asked this question elsewhere, and one fellow said the upgrade would only give me about a 20% increase in performance.

Thanks,
Gary


don't get a 7950 gx, ur wasting your moeny unless you go over 2550 or whatever the rez is, get a 7900gt or x1900xt whatever suits you and in some cases the 7950 will get worse fps and it costs much much more
August 20, 2006 11:20:43 PM

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Thanks for the replies. Here's the dilemma. My mobo is AGP. All of the newer graphics cards are PCI. So I have to get a new motherboard. Socket 939 is being phased out; my mobo is 939 and that's what my FX-53 fits. So I figure to go the AM2 route is more future proof, yet this means I have to get a new processor. The X2 4600 is pretty cheap and should hold me until my next bog upgrade, but man I paid a ton for the FX-53 and I hate to let it go.


To be honest i wouldn't bother with AM2. I would get an Intel 775 and a Conroe (E6400 is similar price to x2 4600+ and performs better).
August 20, 2006 11:24:14 PM

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Thanks for the replies. Here's the dilemma. My mobo is AGP. All of the newer graphics cards are PCI. So I have to get a new motherboard. Socket 939 is being phased out; my mobo is 939 and that's what my FX-53 fits. So I figure to go the AM2 route is more future proof, yet this means I have to get a new processor. The X2 4600 is pretty cheap and should hold me until my next bog upgrade, but man I paid a ton for the FX-53 and I hate to let it go.


Despite what you read from the fanboys, skt 939 is far from dead. There are several very good boards available that will support your CPU and new GPU. The cost of the new 939 MB is trivial compared to a new AM2 platform, CPU and new DDR2 memory. Any performance gains with AM2 are minimal and IMO, not worth the added cost. You paid a lot for your CPU and I'd do every thing I could to extend its life.

Keep in mind that not 6 mos ago, AMD 939 systems ruled the roost in the gaming world.
August 20, 2006 11:26:17 PM

If you have to change motherboard, then given the recent benchmarks it should be an easy decision. Conroe FTW.

I have an AMD system right now, 3700+ overclocked to FX-55, and I recently bought an X1900XT. My next major upgrade will probably be vista-related in about 6m time, and will probably be a new system. A few almost definites:

- fastest dual-core platform at the time I can afford, probably Conroe E6600
- Vista OS
- DX10 GPU

If I were you (purchasing now) I'd do the top one, and get a graphics card that will last you for 6 months (such as my X1900XT).
August 20, 2006 11:40:55 PM

All right, now we're rolling! Lots of advice to sift through. I am seeing a pattern I never thought I would see; people going for Intel over AMD. Actually, it's all pretty confusing.

The bottom line is I want a system which will rip through BF:2142, Medieval 2: Total War, and Supreme Commander. I'm willing to spend up to $1,200. I have decided to do this upgrade rather than get a PS3.
August 20, 2006 11:49:56 PM

I would just get a new socket 939 motherboard with PCI-e. No need for AM2.
August 21, 2006 12:19:55 AM

The FX-53 is still a powerful CPU. I think you should buy a new MB (socket 939) and GPU and keep your CPU and RAM.

A good MB and a GF7900 GT/GTX or Ati X1900 XT/XTX (or X1950) would last at least a year, by that time, there will be cheaper and faster Intel Core 2 Duo's or AMD K8L and DX10 GPU's.

Motherboard: Abit AN8/KN8 or Asus A8N/A8R MB's, they come in normal, SLI or crossfire versions.
GPU: Asus, BFG, Sapphire or any other well know manufacturer.
August 21, 2006 12:28:47 AM

OK, in a nutshell, yer options are (cheapest first):
- new 7800* AGP card (or whatever the best ati agp card is).
- new 939 mobo, 7900* / X1900* PCIe card(s).
- new 939 mobo, new 939 CPU, 7900* / X1900* PCIe card(s).
- new AM2 mobo, new CPU, new DDR2 RAM, new PCIe card(s) OR new 775 mobo, new CPU, new DDR2 RAM, new PCIe card(s).

Personally, i think it's a good time to get a cheap 939 mobo and new video card(s). Most games are GPU, not CPU, limited, so you'll get the best performance increase / $ with new cards instead of new CPU.

The cheapest option, new AGP card only, is also quite plausible, because as there's not much difference between AGP and PCIe performance for the same chip, the only reason to get a PCIe board is to use 7900* cards that don't come on AGP, or to use SLI/Xfire.

I'll assume you know how to overclock the crap out of yer FX53, so upgrading to an AM2 or Conroe will see a bit more performance, but not worth the $, IMHO.

And getting a new 939 mobo and a new CPU are probably not worth it, either, just to reuse yer old RAM (unless you've got 4gb of 2-2-2-5 or something).
August 21, 2006 12:44:08 AM

yeah keep the fx53 and maybee buy a new mobo for pci-e an sli would be
around 100 $us for a pretty good one.

or just keep the agp board and 6800gt it will work ok
if you want to go with pci-e get a 7900gt for around 250$
with the new mobo and card you will spend around 350$
and reuse everything else
if your mem is 184pin and your psu isgood and has a 6 pin molex connect

that is if you want to make it last for atleast 6 months or a year
be cause vista and dx10 wont be up and going <good> until
summer of next year or so
August 21, 2006 1:00:30 AM

I would suggest getting a new motherboard that supports either sli or Crossfire and a new graphics card. Keep all your memory and stuff and add that to the new system!

Stick with the socket 939 motherboard.
August 21, 2006 1:08:31 AM

new socket 939 motherboard and the best graphics card you wanna spend cash on - that exactly what i would do in your case

just for fun and even more options - look at the ASRock Dual Sata

PCI-Express 16x
AGP 8x
AM2 riser card expansion slot

it's fairly inexpensive as well
gives you the ability to upgrade to a AM2 processor for the cost of the riser card (aprox $35) plus the cost of DDR2, without the purchase of a new mobo

so if a "gotta have AM2 socket CPU" comes out then you have the option

CPU sockets are changing faster than i care to keep up with so in the end it all probably doesn't matter

my $0.02
August 21, 2006 1:09:00 AM

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Hi all. I am thinking of replacing my FX-53 cpu and 6800GT with a X2 4600 cpu and a 7950GX. Will this give me a substantial performance jump? I asked this question elsewhere, and one fellow said the upgrade would only give me about a 20% increase in performance.

Thanks,
Gary


I have no idea what MB/RAM/PSU you have or the speed your running the FX-53 at.

A under $200 (boxed) Optron 146 will OC to at least 3 Ghz on stock volts with a real PSU (they are 2 Ghz stock).

A 7900GT is a faster card than a 7950 and ALOT less money.

If you get a new MB go with DFI,if you get a PSU don't skimp get a PC P&C!

Need a new case and cooler? Coolermaster and Thermalright SI-120.

Need new ram? G.Skill DDR500 (OC's very well and 2 x 1GB pack is cheep)


PS:I like my dog.
August 21, 2006 1:22:37 AM

Replace only the AGP card so you can hold on for 6 months. Get the best AGP card you can afford. A good AGP can compete with the PCI express. Do your own research from AGP articles in this site before you buy. Like everyone said, it's GPU not CPU. Good luck.
August 21, 2006 1:36:21 AM

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Thanks, all. I have seen benchmarks on this site which show the 7950GX spanking the crap out of the 7900GT.

http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/07/17/summer_2006_gefo...


Well for over twice the price I would hope so!

Buying a $500video card is a pretty dumb move right now. With DirectX10 and Vista looming and no current card able to take full advantage of Vista, it makes the most sense to find the cheapest video card that can play current games right now (7600GT) and then spend the money on a DX10 card in Dec/Jan.

I own the above mentioned Asrock dual939 board. Nice board with some overclocking features not usually found in budget boards.
August 21, 2006 2:09:20 AM

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Don't let these morons get your goat. The fx-53 is still a top performer. The 4600 isn't going to give you anything extra, and will probably give you less performance in gaming right now. 2 years from now..... who knows ? The graphics card on the other hand, is the skin ripping hard-on of video cards, and a dramatic increase in performance you will see.

If you have plan on keeping that computer for years yet to come, you may want to think about getting a dual core processor to keep on hand if the time ever comes that the newer apps and games will demand it.

Good luck...


I fully agree with the above

Upgrading the GPU would be a good move. Look into the X1900XTX or the upcoming X1950XTX they perform on par whit the 7950 and are cheaper.
August 21, 2006 2:14:53 AM

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The cheapest option, new AGP card only, is also quite plausible, because as there's not much difference between AGP and PCIe performance for the same chip, the only reason to get a PCIe board is to use 7900* cards that don't come on AGP, or to use SLI/Xfire.



very interesting comment on the AGP & PCI performance. what made you say that they dont differ much in performance?

what AGP card would you suggest for a budget of about USD180?

thanks
August 21, 2006 2:29:59 AM

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Thanks, all. I have seen benchmarks on this site which show the 7950GX spanking the crap out of the 7900GT.

http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/07/17/summer_2006_gefo...


yeah i guess if you play at 2048*1536 or above... unless you plan to game at that res the single card BEATS the 7950 at 1024by whatever and jsut barely loses at the next highest rez, and a x1900xt beats the 7900gt as well and both are alot cheaper and the subtle diff are so un noticable
August 21, 2006 10:26:19 AM

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Hi all. I am thinking of replacing my FX-53 cpu and 6800GT with a X2 4600 cpu and a 7950GX. Will this give me a substantial performance jump? I asked this question elsewhere, and one fellow said the upgrade would only give me about a 20% increase in performance.

Thanks,
Gary

For multitasking different apps, big increase, for gaming, small increase.

The gaming increase will come from your video card upgrade.

The X2 4600 runs at exactly the same speed as your FX-53 unless you are overclocking. And the cache on the 4600 is half as large so that is not an improvement.

Video games do not generally benefit from 2 cores so your upgrade to an X2 is not going to help, but again your video card will.

If you are doing multitasking (a few different things at once) then you will notice a creamy smoothness from having another CPU doing a lot of work.

The guy that is making fun of you is all full of himself because he is buying an extremely high performance system based on the new Intel Conroe.

But I imagine when you got your FX-53 it smoked whatever he was driving at the time.

Good luck.
August 21, 2006 10:39:29 AM

I'd say upgrade the graphics,not sure about your CPU though,unless you multitask a lot,then leave it and focus on DDR2 ram or add more RAM maybe. 8)
August 22, 2006 12:31:43 AM

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The cheapest option, new AGP card only, is also quite plausible, because as there's not much difference between AGP and PCIe performance for the same chip, the only reason to get a PCIe board is to use 7900* cards that don't come on AGP, or to use SLI/Xfire.



very interesting comment on the AGP & PCI performance. what made you say that they dont differ much in performance?

what AGP card would you suggest for a budget of about USD180?

thanks

Tom's does:
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sure it's an old card, but purely changing the interface doesn't change the performance any more than could be measurement errors.

For Cards, I work in AU$ wholesale, i don't know much about US prices, so clicky for Newegg.

These 3:
* BFG Tech BFGR68256GSOC Geforce 6800GS 256MB GDDR3 AGP 4X/8X Video Card - Retail
* ATI 100-435712 Radeon X850PRO 256MB GDDR3 AGP 4X/8X Video Card - Retail
* POWERCOLOR X800GTO 256MB AGP Radeon X800GTO 256MB GDDR3 AGP 4X/8X Video Card - Retail

all have 256MB, 256bit GDDR3 (the BFG 6800GS looks nice, i don't know much about ATI cards, so look for a benchmark somewhere)
There's also 2 6800XT cards down the bottom with 256bit memory, but DDR2 RAM. All others on the page have 128bit memory, and i'd go for double bit-width than double ram capacity...
August 22, 2006 2:54:05 AM

Hold up and dont upgrade alot just yet. Your FX-53 well overclocked is alot more than what you need right now, and for the price and trouble isnt worth to "upgrade" to an X2.
Instead, wait until DX10 cards prices have gone down, Windows Vista is stable, and a few games are out for DX10. And if were following the same path as with DX9 this wont happend until Q1 2008 tops.

Just upgrade to the 7800GS AGP, wich is the best AGP card money can buy, to going to hold you off until next year. That way if you save your bucks now, youll have enough for a good AM2 mobo, new DDR2 ram, new DX10 video card, new OEM copy of vista, and new 65nm amd cpu =] in a year or so.
August 22, 2006 3:35:37 AM

I've been looking at the E6600. Wow, this cpu is very nice, beats an FX-62, and crushes my FX-53. The problem I'm having is matching up a motherboard to the E6600 and 7950GX.
August 22, 2006 6:44:05 AM

LMAO @ towely.... GOLD..
but yeah not bad CPU, just wanted to say that was gold towely. :lol:  [/quote]
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