Win2003 stub zone problem

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I've setup stub zone in my win2003, but it can't load/zone transferred
from the Win2000 master server. I also have secondary zone in the same
machine. I'm not using AD. Pls advise. Thanks.

Daniel

 

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danieltan@time.net.my wrote:
> I've setup stub zone in my win2003, but it can't load/zone transferred
> from the Win2000 master server. I also have secondary zone in the same
> machine. I'm not using AD. Pls advise. Thanks.
>
> Daniel

Is there anything in the event log on either server?
Secondary zone of what zone?
Let's see the results from a dnscmd /EnumZones from both servers.


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<danieltan@time.net.my> wrote in message
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> I've setup stub zone in my win2003, but it can't load/zone transferred
> from the Win2000 master server. I also have secondary zone in the same
> machine. I'm not using AD. Pls advise. Thanks.

Stub zones don't really do a "zone transfer" so are you
sure that you don't have what it does contain? That is,
the SOA, NS records, and A records for the NS records?

Does it resolve if you point directly at it?

nslookup SomeNameInZone IP.Stub.DNS.Server

 

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Where is the event log file ? I check that nothing related stub zone in
event viewer-> dns. Its a secondary zone of the primary master dns
server. is this dnscmd/enumzones correct ? it got error that no such
command.

Regards
Daniel

 

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It can't be loaded from the primary dns server. Error is zone not
loaded by dns server. Result from nslookup
nslookup mp419b 192.168.0.2
dsns request was timed out
Time out was 2 seconds
Can;t find server name for address 192.168.0.2:Timed out
Server : unknown
Address:192.168.0.2
Name:mp419b.mp420.afraid.org
Address:192.168.0.2


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Daniel

 

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i can't view anything in the stud zone. When i click the zone, it say
can't loaded the dns server from master. For the nslookup, i already
gave u the answer. Anything else ?

Regards
Daniel

 

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<danieltan@time.net.my> wrote in message
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> It can't be loaded from the primary dns server. Error is zone not
> loaded by dns server. Result from nslookup
> nslookup mp419b 192.168.0.2
> dsns request was timed out
> Time out was 2 seconds
> Can;t find server name for address 192.168.0.2:Timed out
> Server : unknown
> Address:192.168.0.2
> Name:mp419b.mp420.afraid.org
> Address:192.168.0.2

You didn't answer my questions:

Stub zones don't really do a "zone transfer" so are you
sure that you don't have what it does contain? That is,
the SOA, NS records, and A records for the NS records?

Does it resolve if you point directly at it?

nslookup SomeNameInZone IP.Stub.DNS.Server

 

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<danieltan@time.net.my> wrote in message
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> i can't view anything in the stud zone. When i click the zone, it say
> can't loaded the dns server from master. For the nslookup, i already
> gave u the answer. Anything else ?

And your NSLookup worked.

There is no true "zone transfer" into a stub zone.

You should however be able to see the NS records
and association A-host records for JUST those NS
records.

 

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But it still won't work ? my secondary zone works. does it have to use
the master zone name ? If nslookup works then it should be working
right ?

Rgds
Daniel

 

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<danieltan@time.net.my> wrote in message
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> But it still won't work ?

Wait a moment, you NSLOOKUP showed that
the zone DID WORK.

So what doesn't work?

> my secondary zone works. does it have to use
> the master zone name ?

Well, of course -- a zone is only the "same zone"
if it has the same name.

A Stub (or Secondary) is always a part of a zone
that already exists as a Primary (or an AD-Integrated).

> If nslookup works then it should be working
> right ?

Yes, as long as you put in the specific Stub zone
server (in nslookup) it is in fact it IS working.

This is the reason we specified the DNS to make
sure we were querying the "problem" DNS server.

 

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Herb, i can't put the stub zone name same as my primary zone since i
already got secondary zone as the same name. Any problem having 2nd and
stub zone together ?

Rgds
Daniel

Herb Martin wrote:
> <danieltan@time.net.my> wrote in message
> news:1113732423.653319.204850@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> > But it still won't work ?
>
> Wait a moment, you NSLOOKUP showed that
> the zone DID WORK.
>
> So what doesn't work?
>
> > my secondary zone works. does it have to use
> > the master zone name ?
>
> Well, of course -- a zone is only the "same zone"
> if it has the same name.
>
> A Stub (or Secondary) is always a part of a zone
> that already exists as a Primary (or an AD-Integrated).
>
> > If nslookup works then it should be working
> > right ?
>
> Yes, as long as you put in the specific Stub zone
> server (in nslookup) it is in fact it IS working.
>
> This is the reason we specified the DNS to make
> sure we were querying the "problem" DNS server.

 

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<danieltan@time.net.my> wrote in message
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> Herb, i can't put the stub zone name same as my primary zone since i
> already got secondary zone as the same name. Any problem having 2nd and
> stub zone together ?


You cannot have a stub, secondary, or primary for the
same zone on the SAME server.

The idea is that a different DNS server will be secondary
or stub to an existing Master (primary or secondary.)

If you have the Primary or Secondary on this server,
it makes no sense (and won't work) to place another
DNS zone of the same name there.

Even if you did it, it would have not value, since the
server already containes the (entire) zone.

 

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Herb, my primary server is another machine. This win2003 machine is
only secondary and stud zone. Is this ok ?

Rgds
Daniel


Herb Martin wrote:
> <danieltan@time.net.my> wrote in message
> news:1113792130.145670.287320@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > Herb, i can't put the stub zone name same as my primary zone since
i
> > already got secondary zone as the same name. Any problem having 2nd
and
> > stub zone together ?
>
>
> You cannot have a stub, secondary, or primary for the
> same zone on the SAME server.
>
> The idea is that a different DNS server will be secondary
> or stub to an existing Master (primary or secondary.)
>
> If you have the Primary or Secondary on this server,
> it makes no sense (and won't work) to place another
> DNS zone of the same name there.
>
> Even if you did it, it would have not value, since the
> server already containes the (entire) zone.

 

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Herb, what i read on windows help, is that stud zone is more like using
for subdomain where it helps to notify any changes of the secondary dns
server(subdomain) to primary. Its like middle man. i also read it can
be just acted like normal 2nd zone , only thing is RR is less and some
other things. So which one is true ?

Daniel

 

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<danieltan@time.net.my> wrote in message
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> Herb, my primary server is another machine. This win2003 machine is
> only secondary and stud zone. Is this ok ?

No, you cannot have two zones for the same zone (domain)
on the same server.

It makes no sense to do that since the first zone would resolve
that zone and the second would be unnecessary.

You use a secondary when you want/need a full copy of the
zone, and you use a Stub when the WAN or SIZE of the zone
makes it impractical to copy the entire thing.



> Herb Martin wrote:
> > <danieltan@time.net.my> wrote in message
> > news:1113792130.145670.287320@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > > Herb, i can't put the stub zone name same as my primary zone since
> i
> > > already got secondary zone as the same name. Any problem having 2nd
> and
> > > stub zone together ?
> >
> >
> > You cannot have a stub, secondary, or primary for the
> > same zone on the SAME server.
> >
> > The idea is that a different DNS server will be secondary
> > or stub to an existing Master (primary or secondary.)
> >
> > If you have the Primary or Secondary on this server,
> > it makes no sense (and won't work) to place another
> > DNS zone of the same name there.
> >
> > Even if you did it, it would have not value, since the
> > server already containes the (entire) zone.
>

 

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<danieltan@time.net.my> wrote in message
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> Herb, what i read on windows help, is that stud zone is more like using
> for subdomain where it helps to notify any changes of the secondary dns
> server(subdomain) to primary. Its like middle man. i also read it can
> be just acted like normal 2nd zone , only thing is RR is less and some
> other things. So which one is true ?

The both have SOME truth but the latter is the best
way the THINK about stub zones.

They are "Secondaries without most of the records".

They have the SOA, NS, and A for those NS records
so they can FIND THE NAMESERVERS for the zone
(the ones that have the real copy of the zone.)

They are used for special cases where you don't want
to hold the entire zone (WAN speed is very slow, or
zone is very big) but you need to resolve a FEW records
for that zone directly.

 

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Herb, so what happened to my case ? Both stub and 2nd zone in one
machine , primary in another machine. But stub zone won't works ? what
am i missing ?

Rgds
Daniel

 

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<danieltan@time.net.my> wrote in message
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> Herb, so what happened to my case ? Both stub and 2nd zone in one
> machine , primary in another machine. But stub zone won't works ? what
> am i missing ?

You cannot expect it to work on the same machine.

Remove the Stub.

 

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Herb, any tools to verify why stub zone cannot be used ?

Rgds
Daniel


Herb Martin wrote:
> <danieltan@time.net.my> wrote in message
> news:1113823163.105871.23580@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > Herb, so what happened to my case ? Both stub and 2nd zone in one
> > machine , primary in another machine. But stub zone won't works ?
what
> > am i missing ?
>
> You cannot expect it to work on the same machine.
>
> Remove the Stub.

 

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danieltan@time.net.my wrote:
> Herb, any tools to verify why stub zone cannot be used ?

You cannot have a Stub zone and a secondary zone of the same name on the
same DNS server. To take it a step further, you can't have two zones of the
same name of any type on the same server.
No tools needed, just common sense.


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<danieltan@time.net.my> wrote in message
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> Herb, any tools to verify why stub zone cannot be used ?

Of course it "Can be used" -- it cannot be used on the
same server as a Secondary or a Primary for the SAME
zone.

To do such would make ZERO sense.

 

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"Kevin D. Goodknecht Sr. [MVP]" <admin@nospam.WFTX.US> wrote in message
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> danieltan@time.net.my wrote:
> > Herb, any tools to verify why stub zone cannot be used ?
>
> You cannot have a Stub zone and a secondary zone of the same name on the
> same DNS server. To take it a step further, you can't have two zones of
the
> same name of any type on the same server.
> No tools needed, just common sense.

Thank you.

I told him that several messages back but he seems
to be ignoring it.


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Hi Kevin, i just want to verify more further. Well u're right, maybe i
abit stubborn. Thanks u guys for your advise.

Daniel

Kevin D. Goodknecht Sr. [MVP] wrote:
> danieltan@time.net.my wrote:
> > Herb, any tools to verify why stub zone cannot be used ?
>
> You cannot have a Stub zone and a secondary zone of the same name on
the
> same DNS server. To take it a step further, you can't have two zones
of the
> same name of any type on the same server.
> No tools needed, just common sense.
>
>
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Herb Martin wrote:
> "Kevin D. Goodknecht Sr. [MVP]" <admin@nospam.WFTX.US> wrote in
> message news:ea91aIIRFHA.3144@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>> danieltan@time.net.my wrote:
>>> Herb, any tools to verify why stub zone cannot be used ?
>>
>> You cannot have a Stub zone and a secondary zone of the same name on
>> the same DNS server. To take it a step further, you can't have two
>> zones of the same name of any type on the same server.
>> No tools needed, just common sense.
>
> Thank you.
>
> I told him that several messages back but he seems
> to be ignoring it.

I noticed. It just didn't seem to be sinking in.

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<danieltan@time.net.my> wrote in message
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Hi Kevin, i just want to verify more further. Well u're right, maybe i
abit stubborn. Thanks u guys for your advise.


It's not really a 'stubborn' thing.

Think about it this way: If you had a Secondary
and other type of zone for the same zone, what would
be added by having that "additional zone"?

Both Secondary and Primary have ALL the records for
the zone. The purpose of the Stub is to resolve the zone
but without copying all of the records.

Other than that they do the same thing for resolution.
And once you copy the zone once, there is no value
(only confusion for the server) to have another zone
of the same name and copy the records again.

Or in the case of a stub, avoid copying something you
already copied.

Why do you WANT to use a stub at all?

Only people with large zones typically need them.