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August 23, 2006 7:30:11 AM

So I was looking at the AMD X2 (or whatever it is) 4200+. The price was around $190 I think. It said 2.2ghz. I then looked at it's Intel counterparts. I found the Pentium D 945 Presler, for around the same price, but 3.4 ghz. So I was like "hey this must be better cuz it is like 1.2 ghz faster, right?" So I bought it. Then....

I was bored and decided to look up benchmarks and the 4200+ p0wns the 945. for gaming at least. So my question is.....here it is....it's coming, get ready.....

Why is the 4200+ out performing the 945 but has a slower clockspeed?

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August 23, 2006 7:33:34 AM

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So I was looking at the AMD X2 (or whatever it is) 4200+. The price was around $190 I think. It said 2.2ghz. I then looked at it's Intel counterparts. I found the Pentium D 945 Presler, for around the same price, but 3.4 ghz. So I was like "hey this must be better cuz it is like 1.2 ghz faster, right?" So I bought it. Then....

I was bored and decided to look up benchmarks and the 4200+ p0wns the 945. for gaming at least. So my question is.....here it is....it's coming, get ready.....

Why is the 4200+ out performing the 945 but has a slower clockspeed?
Because, it's the forum god's way of getting back at you for not checking benchmarks before you bought....Sort of like getting a spankin'. :?
August 23, 2006 7:47:20 AM

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Why is the 4200+ out performing the 945 but has a slower clockspeed?

Processor clock speed means nothing when comparing diffrent architectures.
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August 23, 2006 8:18:55 AM

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Why is the 4200+ out performing the 945 but has a slower clockspeed?

Processor clock speed means nothing when comparing diffrent architectures.

For sure. Imagine shoveling snow with a teaspoon at 5 spoonfulls per second, then switching to a big snow shovel that you could "only" operate at 0.5 Hz...
August 23, 2006 8:31:07 AM

Repeat after me...

"MORE INSTRUCTIONS PER CLOCK CYCLE"

Whats that mean?

Performing more in less time.

http://images.tomshardware.com/2006/08/21/060821_dual-c...

Clock speed ONLY means something when comparing the SAME brand and SAME series of chips.

Sucks ballsing things up tho :evil: 
Upgrade next year LOL

EDIT:
My truck can drive @ 44km/hr (4.4Ghz) and can carry one ton (instructions/cycle)
My truck and drive @ 23km/hr (2.2Ghz) and can carry three tons
August 23, 2006 9:26:32 AM

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Why is the 4200+ out performing the 945 but has a slower clockspeed?


Because it does; nobody is fooling you.
a 1.8 GHz Athlon64 is equal to a 2.8 GHz Pentium 4
a 2.0 GHz Athlon64 is better than a 3.0 GHz Pentium 4
a 2.2 GHz Athlon64 is better than a 3.2 GHz Pentium 4

...and so on. Some Core2 Duo CPUs are even 'slower' than A64s but perform better. It is no more a GHz world, it means nothing to performance.
And not even the cache is comparable because 512K of AMD's performs better than 1M of Intel's.
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August 23, 2006 11:03:48 AM

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So I was looking at the AMD X2 (or whatever it is) 4200+. The price was around $190 I think. It said 2.2ghz. I then looked at it's Intel counterparts. I found the Pentium D 945 Presler, for around the same price, but 3.4 ghz. So I was like "hey this must be better cuz it is like 1.2 ghz faster, right?" So I bought it. Then....

I was bored and decided to look up benchmarks and the 4200+ p0wns the 945. for gaming at least. So my question is.....here it is....it's coming, get ready.....

Why is the 4200+ out performing the 945 but has a slower clockspeed?


Yessiree, you have just been had by the great Intel megahertz scam.
Intel spent the last 10 years improving the silicon process and just kept upping the core speed of their processors and charging a premium for every 50 megahertz they could squeeze out of basically the same old processor. Nothing wrong with that, it made them billions of dollars.

AMD put their efforts into actually improving the way the CPU works and came up with a design that does more work per clock cycle.

Intel has decided to finally put resources into a new core design (Core Duo or Conroe) that has surpassed AMD's design by a fair amount.

The "fastest CPU is the one with the highest Megahertz" fiasco has been soundly outdated for at least 3 years. A tough lesson, but the best advice is to do more research before you buy!
August 23, 2006 12:08:25 PM

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I think I screwed this up


Yeah... ya did. Clock speed doesn't mean shite anymore.
August 23, 2006 12:51:33 PM

The AMD "on-chip" memory controller has a lot to do with their performance advantage at a given clock speed.
August 23, 2006 2:16:20 PM

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So I was looking at the AMD X2 (or whatever it is) 4200+. The price was around $190 I think. It said 2.2ghz. I then looked at it's Intel counterparts. I found the Pentium D 945 Presler, for around the same price, but 3.4 ghz. So I was like "hey this must be better cuz it is like 1.2 ghz faster, right?" So I bought it. Then....

I was bored and decided to look up benchmarks and the 4200+ p0wns the 945. for gaming at least. So my question is.....here it is....it's coming, get ready.....

Why is the 4200+ out performing the 945 but has a slower clockspeed?

that's not your fault. You're just a victim of intel's marketing strategy
August 23, 2006 2:43:33 PM

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And not even the cache is comparable because 512K of AMD's performs better than 1M of Intel's.


And, is it me or an Intel's 512K would also perform better than an Intel's 1M? Hum?


Cheers!
August 23, 2006 3:20:13 PM

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that's not your fault. You're just a victim of intel's marketing strategy


More like a victim of his own impatience coupled with laziness.

Read before you buy, people! Or do you think Toms is here just to waste bandwidth?
August 23, 2006 3:45:31 PM

Aw another victim of the Hertz race!
*hug*
Yeah I'd say oc yours a little it should still have ddr2 pci x so you'll be ok for a year or 2.
Then get a really nice conroe or more likely a quad-core K8L from amd with DDR3 and DX 10 video card at that point.
August 23, 2006 3:55:02 PM

It always depend on what you intend to accomplish with your computer and the interactive CPU chart is an excellent place to research your intensions. I had the same choice several months back before the AMD price cuts. I picked the D940 added a 7600GT 256MB GDDR3 card and I can play any game better then ever coming from an ATI9600 128MB DDR. I use my machine 50% gaming and 50% applications. The THG CPU chart shows the X2 4200 and the D940 as a dead tie. So I picked theD940 and used the savings to buy a better video card. I also do very large graphic files with Photoshop with several applied filters. The THG CPU chart shows the D940 beats the pants off the X2 4200. The 945 is not a bad processor and I would have been happy with either AMD or Intel. Research, research, research before you buy and know your goals before you pick.
August 23, 2006 3:57:31 PM

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Aw another victim of the Hertz race!
*hug*
Yeah I'd say oc yours a little it should still have ddr2 pci x so you'll be ok for a year or 2.
Then get a really nice conroe or more likely a quad-core K8L from amd with DDR3 and DX 10 video card at that point.

that's a good point. depending on the motherboard he can (or not) upgrade to core 2. Either way, he'll have ddr2 memory already.
August 23, 2006 4:35:17 PM

Becose AMD does not run in the Ghz market and Intel does if you see for ex a AMD 4200+ that means that this CPU will kill any Intel that is below 4200 Mhz any time and the only way to beat that AMD is to OC that Intel to at least 4Ghz and i don't think that is possible so you have made a big mistake and you should have asked for help before buying the CPU but it's not all in the CPU
August 23, 2006 4:50:00 PM

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Becose AMD does not run in the Ghz market and Intel does if you see for ex a AMD 4200+ that means that this CPU will kill any Intel that is below 4200 Mhz any time and the only way to beat that AMD is to OC that Intel to at least 4Ghz and i don't think that is possible so you have made a big mistake and you should have asked for help before buying the CPU but it's not all in the CPU


Conroe kinda blew the sh!t out of your theory, didn't it?

AMD 4400+: dual core x 2.2GHz
August 23, 2006 5:05:13 PM

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The THG CPU chart shows the D940 beats the pants off the X2 4200.


in one test....take a look at all the others
August 23, 2006 6:16:32 PM

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Becose AMD does not run in the Ghz market and Intel does if you see for ex a AMD 4200+ that means that this CPU will kill any Intel that is below 4200 Mhz any time and the only way to beat that AMD is to OC that Intel to at least 4Ghz and i don't think that is possible so you have made a big mistake and you should have asked for help before buying the CPU but it's not all in the CPU
That's entirely possible, if he's got a good mobo, RAM and HS/F.
August 23, 2006 9:03:25 PM

Wow thanx for the replies. I was looking to build a PC for under $1000 and the final cost came out to $900. I am planning on playing video games mostly, like BF2. This is (most) of what I bought:

APEVIA (ASPIRE) X-Navigator ATXA9N-SS/500
Gigabyte GA-8N-SLI
Pentium D 945 Presler
Arctice Cooling Freezer 7 Pro
G.SKILL 1GB 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM
SAMSUNG 160GB
eVGA Geforce 7900GT

I'm probably gonna buy another gig of ram
August 23, 2006 9:25:58 PM

well depending on what motherboard you got it might be Core 2 duo ready which kicks the crap out of any AMD chip out there. =)
August 24, 2006 12:23:53 PM

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Repeat after me...

"MORE INSTRUCTIONS PER CLOCK CYCLE"

Whats that mean?

Performing more in less time.

http://images.tomshardware.com/2006/08/21/060821_dual-c...

Clock speed ONLY means something when comparing the SAME brand and SAME series of chips.

Sucks ballsing things up tho :evil: 
Upgrade next year LOL

EDIT:
My truck can drive @ 44km/hr (4.4Ghz) and can carry one ton (instructions/cycle)
My truck and drive @ 23km/hr (2.2Ghz) and can carry three tons
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So is this the heart of it , Instructions per cycle?
I'm looking at these cpu's on newegg, in seperate windows, and I don't see this specification. Where is it? What about these benchmarks, you'all speak of. Is there a good site that post these things.
Please help the technally challenged.
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August 24, 2006 1:22:23 PM

Quote:
Repeat after me...

"MORE INSTRUCTIONS PER CLOCK CYCLE"

Whats that mean?

Performing more in less time.

http://images.tomshardware.com/2006/08/21/060821_dual-c...

Clock speed ONLY means something when comparing the SAME brand and SAME series of chips.

Sucks ballsing things up tho :evil: 
Upgrade next year LOL

EDIT:
My truck can drive @ 44km/hr (4.4Ghz) and can carry one ton (instructions/cycle)
My truck and drive @ 23km/hr (2.2Ghz) and can carry three tons
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So is this the heart of it , Instructions per cycle?
I'm looking at these cpu's on newegg, in seperate windows, and I don't see this specification. Where is it? What about these benchmarks, you'all speak of. Is there a good site that post these things.
Please help the technally challenged.


Well, I can see how you made the mistake and are now unhappy with your purchase. You are already on the best site on the net to find the very information you desire, you just need look around a little :) 

http://www23.tomshardware.com/cpu.html

It will show you everything you need to know to make comparisons with.
August 24, 2006 2:14:02 PM

It does look like you might be screwed. I didn't see anything about C2D compatibility on Gigabyte's website for any of the GA-8N boards. That doesn't mean there might not be hope of a bios or maybe the site isn't updated with latest info? One can hope at the least. Otherwise I'd ebay that CPU/board and get C2D compatible ones. My 2cents anyway.
August 24, 2006 4:10:08 PM

experts.....i can help my self ..man...there are only experts arround here..and i can`t help asking myself ...how in the name of god is this earth holding all of us...
August 24, 2006 5:06:41 PM

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So I was looking at the AMD X2 (or whatever it is) 4200+. The price was around $190 I think. It said 2.2ghz. I then looked at it's Intel counterparts. I found the Pentium D 945 Presler, for around the same price, but 3.4 ghz. So I was like "hey this must be better cuz it is like 1.2 ghz faster, right?" So I bought it. Then....

I was bored and decided to look up benchmarks and the 4200+ p0wns the 945. for gaming at least. So my question is.....here it is....it's coming, get ready.....

Why is the 4200+ out performing the 945 but has a slower clockspeed?


Here is my favourite analogy. Imagine your CPU as a factory and the Hz as workers. Now the Presler has 3.6 billion workers but the are all slow, lazy and stupid. As for the X2, the only have 2.2 billion workers but they are all fast, industrious and intelligent. Thus, the X2 will get much more work done than the Presler.

Maybe you could return it to the store?
August 24, 2006 8:58:53 PM

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Here is my favourite analogy. Imagine your CPU as a factory and the Hz as workers. Now the Presler has 3.6 billion workers but the are all slow, lazy and stupid. As for the X2, the only have 2.2 billion workers but they are all fast, industrious and intelligent. Thus, the X2 will get much more work done than the Presler.


The problem with this analogy is that Hz is a scientific unit meaning "per second". So instead think about what the old Intel arch accomplished per clock cycle, which was less than the AMDs. Reagrdless, the old analogies are gone. C2D is fast and wide.
August 24, 2006 11:09:35 PM

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Becose AMD does not run in the Ghz market and Intel does if you see for ex a AMD 4200+ that means that this CPU will kill any Intel that is below 4200 Mhz any time and the only way to beat that AMD is to OC that Intel to at least 4Ghz and i don't think that is possible so you have made a big mistake and you should have asked for help before buying the CPU but it's not all in the CPU


Conroe kinda blew the sh!t out of your theory, didn't it?

AMD 4400+: dual core x 2.2GHz


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