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Upgrade my AGP 9600pro AIW 128MB....PLEASE!!

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August 24, 2006 6:56:49 PM

I'm looking at (correct any of my errors please):

---X1650pro (supposed to be ~$100) it has SM3.0 but is only 128 bit and I think only 12 pipes, but pretty good performance per pipe from what I've read about the higher models. Will 128bit be a problem?

---x800 xt no SM3.0 (right?) - 256 bit and 16 pipes

---x850pro - no SM3.0 - 12 pipes 256 bit

Is the AIW x1900 much better than any of the above cards? Right now its around $150-200 and should drop in the next few weeks.

Does the AIW version of a normal card decrease its performace?

-I'll consider nVidia but their performance around the $100-$150ish price isn't as good IMO

I've got my Barton 2600+ pushed a little bit and my old 9600 AIW AGP card just isn't doing it anymore.

I'm hoping that I can get a decent card that will let me play at med level on my new dell 2007 fpw (wfp? on their website they have it both ways :)  )

If I can get a decent card I will save my money and do a serious update MB(bearlake?)/CPU(Quad?)/GPU(?)/Memory(DDR3?) until next summer/fall. (as you may guess I like to game but don't have time to be an avid gamer). And my laptop does pretty well with the P-M 770.

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August 24, 2006 7:46:19 PM

Any X1900 card is MUCH better than any card listed above, but I think your cpu will bottleneck it. I'd stay away from the X1650pro. You'd be better off getting the X800XT. It may not have sm 3.0, but the X1650pro isn't quite powerful enough to fully utilize sm 3.0. If you want that, you'd probably be better off getting a 7600GT. They're supposed to be coming out sometime this month.
August 24, 2006 7:56:50 PM

Oops, didn't notice that you plan on using this in your new Dell. What are your new system specs?
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August 24, 2006 7:59:08 PM

Your post is rather confusing. Are you talking about upgrading 2 different machines???

The first 3 cards you mentioned are available in the AGP format and will be compatible with your Barton system. Out of the three you listed, I would choose the X800XT. The AGP 7600GS is a good new nVidia alternative and a used AGP 6800GT off of eBay would be a good used alternative as well. In fact, a used X800XT would go nicely too. If you can wait, and if they show up, the AGP version of the 7600GT would be a better choice out of all the cards you listed.

The X1900AIW is only available in PCI-E IIRC and is not worth the money when you can pick up X1800XTs for around $200 (if you're in the U.S.) The AIW version is not the same as the full blown XT/XTX models.
August 24, 2006 8:56:08 PM

Sorry for the confusion:

1 system (its old):
2600+ Barton
Biostar MB
160 Seagate 7200.6
1GB 400 Ram
9600pro AIW 128MB AGP
Dell 2007 fpw (1680x1050)

I thought I saw an x1900 for AGP but I must have been mistaken.

I am looking for best AGP solution, please see OP for details on x1650pro, x800xt, or x850pro/xt

I know I've seen a lot of threads like this but my main thoughts are...will 128bit hinder me more than not having 16 pipes or SM3.0? Even through ATI's new tech coming out seems to be more effecient with fewer pipes.
August 24, 2006 9:15:53 PM

Oops, didn't notice that you plan on using this in your new Dell. What are your new system specs?

He's talking about using it with a new Dell 20" monitor. The X1900 series won't work; it's all PCIe. IMO, your best bet is to wait for the X1650 and the 7600GT for AGP.
August 24, 2006 9:34:23 PM bad, you were talking about your LCD. Sorry for that.

I also just caught that you noted the X1650Pro. IIRC, this card will not be available in AGP, at least not right away (somone feel free to correct me) so I wouldn't count on that one either.

Which leaves the X800XT (new or used), 7600GS, and a used 6800GT. I wouldn't consider the X1600Pro as the 7600GS pretty much pwnz it. This X800GTO would also be a great card and, IMO, would be a better buy than the 7600GS AGP. You may loose SM3.0, but you gain more powerful memory and a better memory interface. Since you didn't say which games you planned on playing, it's hard to say if they will play them at medium settings. My guess is that unless you're playing Oblivion, you should be able to handle most games on medium quality with an X800XT/GTO, 7600GS, or a used 6800GT.
August 24, 2006 10:26:56 PM

Oops again. OK, I stand by my original post. Wait for the 7600GT. I would've responded sooner, but this site is extra EFIN slow today. It's taking forever to move from page to page. :roll:
August 24, 2006 10:59:09 PM

If you're down with eBay, THIS CARD looks good. It's a Gigabyte GF6800GT with an NV Silencer 5 cooler installed. The current bid is $31, and there's about 3 days left of the auction. You could probably pick it up for $50-75.
August 25, 2006 7:05:13 PM

Oops again. OK, I stand by my original post. Wait for the 7600GT. I would've responded sooner, but this site is extra EFIN slow today. It's taking forever to move from page to page. :roll:

As far as 7600GT -> it seems to be 150+ ... really your only hope for AGP -> which I am about to make a purchase of is the 7600GS which is less expensive - cards between 100$ - 150$ ( etc...) than the others; and gives you the greatest bang for the buck.

Now the only problem is which company I should spend money on -> BFG - eVGA etc. I was thinking eVGA just because of the Lifetime warrenty; and supposedly good Service.

Any Thoughts??
August 25, 2006 7:54:52 PM

I'd go with eVGA because of the lifetime warranty. As far as customer service goes, I've mostly heard good things about eVGA, and I haven't heard much good or bad about BFG.
August 26, 2006 2:16:29 AM

That's what i have an Evga 7800GS CO Edition and believe me, it's worth it for AGP... Playing Prey at 1280x1024 everything at max and i got about 70fps.. really awsome! It's maybe more $ than the 7600GS but it worth all penny :D