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Anonymous
July 22, 2005 11:47:38 AM

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I've been happy with the printing quality of my Canon i860 deskjet, but
I'm frustrated by how often I have to replace the color inks even
though I use them so rarely. I use the printer mostly for B&W text;
only occasionally do the documents include color graphics, and I print
only a handful of photos a year. I like having a photo printer
available for those occasions, but I assumed that the elaborate, noisy
unsealing process that precedes each print job meant that the ink
containers were protected from evaporation. However, every couple of
months I'm notified that another color is running low, even when it's
barely been used. Any suggestions with this printer -- or can you
recommend another printer that does a better job protecting against
evaporation? Thanks.

-- AK

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Anonymous
July 22, 2005 1:45:01 PM

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Thanks for this information. I wonder if there's a way to find out
whether my printer (Canon i860) does what you're describing; if so,
there's certainly no way I can see to force it to print only black.
It's hard to believe that B&W *text* (not photos) would require this
much yellow, for example...

CWatters wrote:
> "A.K." <comm2@alfiekohn.org> wrote in message
> news:1122043658.067036.219990@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Any suggestions with this printer -- or can you
> > recommend another printer that does a better job protecting against
> > evaporation? Thanks.
>
> It's not evaporation.
>
> When printing B&W text many printers print colour under the black to make
> the black darker and look better. It's called "under printing".
>
> With some printers there is a "Black Only" box you can tick which _might_
> force the printer to use only the black cartridge however it's not always as
> simple as that...
>
> Some printers have a "Print Grey scale" or "Print in Black and White" (or
> similar) box that works differently. With this box ticked the printer
> converts any colour images to greyscale but it STILL uses the colour ink. It
> uses the colour inks to make shades of grey. This allows the printer to
> produce better quality "black and white" photos.
>
> What you really need is a printer with TWO buttons... One marked "Convert
> colour images to grey scale" and one marked "Only use the black ink cart".
>
> Clear?
Anonymous
July 22, 2005 1:47:31 PM

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That thought crossed my mind, but my understanding is that I wouldn't
be able to print photos occasionally -- or certainly not high-quality
photos -- even with a color laser. I could use two printers, but I'd
still have to keep replacing the ink on the inkjet periodically... Do
you have reason to think that the ink or toner on a color laser
wouldn't have to replaced as often?
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July 22, 2005 2:06:20 PM

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> It's hard to believe that B&W *text* (not photos) would require this
> much yellow, for example..

The i860 has a newer version of the bj software than my printers, not
sure if you're on v1.85 or 1.73e, but either one should have a checkbox
for greyscale printing under the [main] tab when you hit properties.
Granted it shouldn't need that for text as the i860 has the dedicated
pigment black which is black enough to be black without adding color.

Also, what is the size of photos you are printing? The bci-6(color)
inks are only rated for 280 pages at 5% coverage... which would equal
14 pages at 100% coverage, or 56 1/4 sized photos 100% coverage.
Anonymous
July 22, 2005 7:34:25 PM

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"A.K." <comm2@alfiekohn.org> wrote in message
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> Any suggestions with this printer -- or can you
> recommend another printer that does a better job protecting against
> evaporation? Thanks.

It's not evaporation.

When printing B&W text many printers print colour under the black to make
the black darker and look better. It's called "under printing".

With some printers there is a "Black Only" box you can tick which _might_
force the printer to use only the black cartridge however it's not always as
simple as that...

Some printers have a "Print Grey scale" or "Print in Black and White" (or
similar) box that works differently. With this box ticked the printer
converts any colour images to greyscale but it STILL uses the colour ink. It
uses the colour inks to make shades of grey. This allows the printer to
produce better quality "black and white" photos.

What you really need is a printer with TWO buttons... One marked "Convert
colour images to grey scale" and one marked "Only use the black ink cart".

Clear?
Anonymous
July 22, 2005 7:37:02 PM

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A.K. wrote:

>I've been happy with the printing quality of my Canon i860 deskjet, but
>I'm frustrated by how often I have to replace the color inks even
>though I use them so rarely. I use the printer mostly for B&W text;
>only occasionally do the documents include color graphics, and I print
>only a handful of photos a year. I like having a photo printer
>available for those occasions, but I assumed that the elaborate, noisy
>unsealing process that precedes each print job meant that the ink
>containers were protected from evaporation. However, every couple of
>months I'm notified that another color is running low, even when it's
>barely been used. Any suggestions with this printer -- or can you
>recommend another printer that does a better job protecting against
>evaporation? Thanks.
>
>-- AK
>
>

YOU MAY BE BEST SERVED BY A LASER.
Anonymous
July 22, 2005 9:09:54 PM

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A.K. wrote:
> I've been happy with the printing quality of my Canon i860 deskjet, but
> I'm frustrated by how often I have to replace the color inks even
> though I use them so rarely. I use the printer mostly for B&W text;
> only occasionally do the documents include color graphics, and I print
> only a handful of photos a year. I like having a photo printer
> available for those occasions, but I assumed that the elaborate, noisy
> unsealing process that precedes each print job meant that the ink
> containers were protected from evaporation. However, every couple of
> months I'm notified that another color is running low, even when it's
> barely been used. Any suggestions with this printer -- or can you
> recommend another printer that does a better job protecting against
> evaporation? Thanks.
>
> -- AK


years and years ago, I had a Canon color inkjet and I had to replace the
color ink cartridges continuously even though I hardly printed anything.
I think the spong might have absorbed all those ink! I am now using an
Okidata color laser printer for most tasks. I, however, do get an Epson
R200 recently. The ink doesn't "evaporate," but the print head seems to
more prone to clog. I suspect the bubblejet technology used in Canon -
heating the ink in the printhead, unclog the head from time to time, but
in the expense of bigger blobs and types of ink it can use.
Anonymous
July 22, 2005 10:40:21 PM

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The other factor about ink consumption is the automatic cleaning cycles the
printer runs through based on usage and when it is activated. A small amount
of each ink is used when this occurs, so even if you don't print in color
there will still be color ink consumed by the cleaning cycles. On the i860
or iP4000, if you are printing in plain paper mode, only the BCI-3ebk is
used for text printing, but if you have specified a different paper type,
then the BCI-6BK is used.
--
Ron

"A.K." <comm2@alfiekohn.org> wrote in message
news:1122050701.419686.186290@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> Thanks for this information. I wonder if there's a way to find out
> whether my printer (Canon i860) does what you're describing; if so,
> there's certainly no way I can see to force it to print only black.
> It's hard to believe that B&W *text* (not photos) would require this
> much yellow, for example...
>
> CWatters wrote:
>> "A.K." <comm2@alfiekohn.org> wrote in message
>> news:1122043658.067036.219990@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > Any suggestions with this printer -- or can you
>> > recommend another printer that does a better job protecting against
>> > evaporation? Thanks.
>>
>> It's not evaporation.
>>
>> When printing B&W text many printers print colour under the black to make
>> the black darker and look better. It's called "under printing".
>>
>> With some printers there is a "Black Only" box you can tick which _might_
>> force the printer to use only the black cartridge however it's not always
>> as
>> simple as that...
>>
>> Some printers have a "Print Grey scale" or "Print in Black and White" (or
>> similar) box that works differently. With this box ticked the printer
>> converts any colour images to greyscale but it STILL uses the colour ink.
>> It
>> uses the colour inks to make shades of grey. This allows the printer to
>> produce better quality "black and white" photos.
>>
>> What you really need is a printer with TWO buttons... One marked
>> "Convert
>> colour images to grey scale" and one marked "Only use the black ink
>> cart".
>>
>> Clear?
>
Anonymous
July 23, 2005 11:07:06 AM

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The problem is not evaporation. The noisy process you allude to is not
an unsealing process as much as a cleaning process, which pumps some ink
through the head and out into a waste ink area on the printer. The
printer does this to all colors and therefore they all lose some ink
with each cleaning. Over time, they empty of ink, even through none of
it, or very little of it may end up on paper.

Art

A.K. wrote:

> I've been happy with the printing quality of my Canon i860 deskjet, but
> I'm frustrated by how often I have to replace the color inks even
> though I use them so rarely. I use the printer mostly for B&W text;
> only occasionally do the documents include color graphics, and I print
> only a handful of photos a year. I like having a photo printer
> available for those occasions, but I assumed that the elaborate, noisy
> unsealing process that precedes each print job meant that the ink
> containers were protected from evaporation. However, every couple of
> months I'm notified that another color is running low, even when it's
> barely been used. Any suggestions with this printer -- or can you
> recommend another printer that does a better job protecting against
> evaporation? Thanks.
>
> -- AK
>
Anonymous
July 23, 2005 1:01:15 PM

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Makes sense. The question, then, is whether any other inkjet printers
(made by Canon or other manufacturers) do a reasonably good job but
without this ink-draining process. Presumably such a printer would be
more economical for someone who rarely prints in color.

-- AK
Anonymous
July 23, 2005 7:55:15 PM

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"A.K." <comm2@alfiekohn.org> wrote in message
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> Makes sense. The question, then, is whether any other inkjet printers
> (made by Canon or other manufacturers) do a reasonably good job but
> without this ink-draining process. Presumably such a printer would be
> more economical for someone who rarely prints in color.

Most printers with integrated ink supply and printheads do minimal servicing.
Printers with separate ink and printheads may have to do more servicing to keep
air out of the system. HP has recently announced a new system that
recirculates the ink used in servicing, minimizing the loss due to servicing.
See: http://www.photo-i.co.uk/News/July05/HP%208250.htm

Regards,
Bob Headrick, not speaking for my employer HP
Anonymous
July 23, 2005 10:42:54 PM

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A better solution would be to either refill your cartridges or use
inexpensive third party cartridges. The cost will be so low that way you
won't even notice it.
--
Ron

"A.K." <comm2@alfiekohn.org> wrote in message
news:1122134475.116440.150780@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Makes sense. The question, then, is whether any other inkjet printers
> (made by Canon or other manufacturers) do a reasonably good job but
> without this ink-draining process. Presumably such a printer would be
> more economical for someone who rarely prints in color.
>
> -- AK
>
Anonymous
July 23, 2005 10:50:17 PM

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Ron Cohen wrote:

>A better solution would be to either refill your cartridges
>

This is a terrible solution. It increases your chance for a printhead
clog. Canon Ink was designed for a Canon printer by Canon. I would
think they know best. It is like putting an aftermarket automatic
transmission in your car. I am sure it would work for a while.

> or use
>inexpensive third party cartridges.
>

This is, in many cases a worse solution since there are no aftermarket
carts that have branded ink inside and I have never seen a vendor
willing to disclose who makes and formulates the ink inside.

> The cost will be so low that way you
>won't even notice it.
>
>

"A.K." <comm2@alfiekohn.org> wrote in message
news:1122134475.116440.150780@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

>> Makes sense. The question, then, is whether any other inkjet printers
>> (made by Canon or other manufacturers) do a reasonably good job but
>> without this ink-draining process. Presumably such a printer would be
>> more economical for someone who rarely prints in color.
>>
>> -- AK
>>
>
>
July 23, 2005 10:50:18 PM

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measekite wrote:

>
> This is, in many cases a worse solution since there are no aftermarket
> carts that have branded ink inside and I have never seen a vendor
> willing to disclose who makes and formulates the ink inside.

Oh really! I don't think so. You have no idea what you're talking about
and everyone here knows that.
To prove otherwise why don't you post the exact chemical formulation of
the oem inks you use, ok! I think we would all be interested in that
little trade secret.
Go ahead and call Canon as I'm sure they are waiting by the phone for
your call.
Well...
Frank
July 23, 2005 10:50:19 PM

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measekite wrote:

>
>
> Caught you with your pants down and your balls bouncing on the
> pavement. Tell me where they sell aftermarket carts where they disclose
> who the mfg/formulater is. I am sure that many ng readers would be
> interested in buying them. You are now revealing yourself to be a dumb
> supid idiotic moronic imbecile.

You still don't get it do you moron. Nobody will disclose trade secret
ink formulations the very thing you keep harping about.
You're actually dumber than I thought you were.
Frank
Anonymous
July 24, 2005 1:22:14 AM

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Frank wrote:

> measekite wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Caught you with your pants down and your balls bouncing on the
>> pavement. Tell me where they sell aftermarket carts where they
>> disclose who the mfg/formulater is. I am sure that many ng readers
>> would be interested in buying them. You are now revealing yourself
>> to be a dumb supid idiotic moronic imbecile.
>
>
> You still don't get it do you moron. Nobody will disclose trade secret
> ink formulations the very thing you keep harping about.
> You're actually dumber than I thought you were.
> Frank


Hey stupid,

it is not a trade secret to disclose to a customer what he is buying. I
just do not know how anybody, except for maybe Burtie Furtie Jerkie
could be a stubbornly stupid and Frankie Wankie Crankie.
July 24, 2005 1:22:15 AM

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measekite wrote:
>
>
> Frank wrote:
>
>> measekite wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Caught you with your pants down and your balls bouncing on the
>>> pavement. Tell me where they sell aftermarket carts where they
>>> disclose who the mfg/formulater is. I am sure that many ng readers
>>> would be interested in buying them. You are now revealing yourself
>>> to be a dumb supid idiotic moronic imbecile.
>>
>>
>>
>> You still don't get it do you moron. Nobody will disclose trade secret
>> ink formulations the very thing you keep harping about.
>> You're actually dumber than I thought you were.
>> Frank
>
>
>
> Hey stupid,
>
> it is not a trade secret to disclose to a customer what he is buying. I
> just do not know how anybody, except for maybe Burtie Furtie Jerkie
> could be a stubbornly stupid and Frankie Wankie Crankie.

Ok, go ahead and psot the formulation of any ink available on the market
today, oem or otherwise.
Well, we're waiting.
Frank
Anonymous
July 24, 2005 8:50:38 AM

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Frank wrote:

> measekite wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Frank wrote:
>>
>>> measekite wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Caught you with your pants down and your balls bouncing on the
>>>> pavement. Tell me where they sell aftermarket carts where they
>>>> disclose who the mfg/formulater is. I am sure that many ng readers
>>>> would be interested in buying them. You are now revealing yourself
>>>> to be a dumb supid idiotic moronic imbecile.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You still don't get it do you moron. Nobody will disclose trade
>>> secret ink formulations the very thing you keep harping about.
>>> You're actually dumber than I thought you were.
>>> Frank
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hey stupid,
>>
>> it is not a trade secret to disclose to a customer what he is
>> buying. I just do not know how anybody, except for maybe Burtie
>> Furtie Jerkie could be a stubbornly stupid and Frankie Wankie Crankie.
>
>
> Ok, go ahead and psot the formulation of any ink available on the
> market today, oem or otherwise.
> Well, we're waiting.
> Frank

Da lowest IQ on the NG
Anonymous
July 26, 2005 10:41:13 AM

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A.K. wrote:

> Makes sense. The question, then, is whether any other inkjet printers
> (made by Canon or other manufacturers) do a reasonably good job but
> without this ink-draining process. Presumably such a printer would be
> more economical for someone who rarely prints in color.
>
> -- AK
>

I have seen a friend's Canon printer with color cartridges full of ink all
year long and not consume a single drop. He left the pull tape on the top of
his color cartridges untouched. Normally before installing a color cartridge
(such as a BCI-6) you need to pull the tape so that the vent at the top is
opened up. By leaving the tape as is the vent remains closed. As a result
the ink inside is never consumed.

Some may ask if this would cause damage to the printhead as no color ink in the
printhead and the heaters may burn out. I have no answer to this question. When
I pulled the tapes from those cartridges the colors printed fine in no time.
No clog no damage no problem whatsoever. Even the cleaning cycles could not get
any ink out of them. Guess what? The friend did not know the tape has to be
pulled off. He thought his printer is bad and can not print colors despite the
color cartridges are full of ink. He proceeded to use the printer to print
black text only for over a year. When the BCI-3ebk ink ran out he had someone
to replace it for him. The tape on the BCI-3ebk was pulled off by that person.

Well, this may be the answer for you.
Anonymous
July 26, 2005 12:14:19 PM

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Thanks for this. Unfortunately, I want to be able to print in color
occasionally, so unless it's possible to open and reclose the
cartridges, I'm not sure this would work.
Anonymous
July 26, 2005 11:13:33 PM

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You could replace the tape over the vent if you really want to do this. Why
not just get some inexpensive cartridges and put them in? The cost would be
minimal and you'd still be able to print in color any time you wanted to.
--
Ron

"A.K." <comm2@alfiekohn.org> wrote in message
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> Thanks for this. Unfortunately, I want to be able to print in color
> occasionally, so unless it's possible to open and reclose the
> cartridges, I'm not sure this would work.
>
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