Just taking a little poll to gauge your guys' opinions on graphics cards. I am looking for a high end solution to compliment my conroe rig. Gaming at high rezzes and high details is important for me. Don't want to upgrade for at least six months, hopefully more. Like when Crysis comes out, maybe. (End of March, early April '07).
As anyone here who knows me, Oblivion is my game of choice atm. Leaning towards the x1900xt because of the value, but considering splurging on the 1950 to squeeze out a few extra frames with AA and HDR enabled. I tossed the current nVidia champs in there for fairness' sake.
I can't answer your question as it totally depends on pricing. I'd take any of them as an upgrade from my current card except the 7900GTX. Most likely it would take an incredible price to make me buy anything before seeing G80 vs. R600. But Say a $200 X1900XT, or $300 X1950XTX or sub $350 GX2, I'd jump on that.
If you are talking hypothetical, just pick one. I'd be hoping to find a bargain on the X1950XTX to get high fps and IQ, as well as the heatsink/fan. Since I use AA+HDR in Oblivion and sometimes farcry, not having that support is a personal turnoff for the GF7's, including the beastly GX2.
I can't answer your question as it totally depends on pricing. I'd take any of them as an upgrade from my current card except the 7900GTX. Most likely it would take an incredible price to make me buy anything before seeing G80 vs. R600. But Say a $200 X1900XT, or $300 X1950XTX or sub $350 GX2, I'd jump on that.
If you are talking hypothetical, just pick one. I'd be hoping to find a bargain on the X1950XTX to get high fps and IQ, as well as the heatsink/fan. Since I use AA+HDR in Oblivion and sometimes farcry, not having that support is a personal turnoff for the GF7's, including the beastly GX2.
If someone put a gun to your head and made you buy one, which would you choose?
the x1950xtx looks like a pretty beefy card. I might have to get it just because my g/f has a x1900xt and, well, I can't let her wear the GPU pants in this relationship
Yeah, if you cant have skillz, you can at least have an excessive peice of gaming hardware.
Um... I don't think the nvidia dx10 cards will be out in 3 weeks. Earliest I've heard is October. Even then, I wouldn't be the first to jump on them. I don't really want the 9700 pro of DX10, if you catch my drift. I don't see much point in upgrading until there is actually dx10 software which likely wont be for several more months.
Anyway, if you HAD to choose one of them (because youre currently gaming on a pentium 200 with a 2mb ati rage vpu), what would it be?
You know what, OC'ersUK has X1950XTX's on their site for preorder, but prices are £279.95. That's £100 over the X1900XT and £90 over the HIS iceQ X1900XT. 8O
You know what, OC'ersUK has X1950XTX's on their site for preorder, but prices are £279.95. That's £100 over the X1900XT and £90 over the HIS iceQ X1900XT. 8O
Looks like I'll have to pay a premium if I want to lord my new card over her head. Just gonna have to wait and see what the pricing/availability is like across the pond (in Canada, eh).
I would honestly get the x1900xt, but I already have a noise machine (aka a yappy dog) and a space heater. The heat pipes on the 1950 look too cool (pun intended) to turn down.
i dont think the dx 10 cards will be out for at least a year fellas unless ya have some kind of proof otherwise get a current card dont bother waighting.
None of the above; G80 will be out later this fall and guaranteed to outperform all of the said cards. Now the R600 will be a very competitive if not better core, although the wait should be a little longer.
Although I dont want to turn this thread into another "what do you think" GPU thread. Seeing the new Nvidia HDMI GPU's @ 80nm.....you dont honestly think the G80 will be 90nm do you :?: :?: :?: :?:
It's traditional for nVidia and ATi to test their mid-end cores on newer process first before apply them to latest high-end core. This should not be new to you.
New? Nope....
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And all my latest sources have said G80 on 90nm.
Honestly the GPU market moves in less sever increments than the CPU LC.
Look recently....went from 130 to 110, to 90 now to 80nm.....
I'm not saying Nv can't get away with it, but it would be a foolish move imo.
None of the above; G80 will be out later this fall and guaranteed to outperform all of the said cards. Now the R600 will be a very competitive if not better core, although the wait should be a little longer.
Keep waiting and pretty soon you'll be dead.
You can always sell your card and buy a new one.
Anyway, you are sitting pretty with a 7800 while I still use an anemic 6800u. Waiting is not an option for me.
Please don't turn this into another "lets wait for dx10" post. I think that topic has been flogged to death a hundred times over by now.
I felt I had to vote 7900 gtx as I just bought one but I am sure that any of these cards would be great, if you can afford it go with the 7950, that will definitely keep you goin till next year
Yeah, if you cant have skillz, you can at least have an excessive peice of gaming hardware.
Um... I don't think the nvidia dx10 cards will be out in 3 weeks. Earliest I've heard is October. Even then, I wouldn't be the first to jump on them. I don't really want the 9700 pro of DX10, if you catch my drift. I don't see much point in upgrading until there is actually dx10 software which likely wont be for several more months.
Anyway, if you HAD to choose one of them (because youre currently gaming on a pentium 200 with a 2mb ati rage vpu), what would it be?
what you on about?!?! The 9700pro was a fantastic card! It was only around 5% slower than the 9800pro. A 9700pro is still a very usable card today!
I would go with any of the cards selected there. I already have 2 7900GTXs in my system, and will hold me over until DX10 and vista. The dire need for people to upgrade right now is understandable, but just out of curiousity, why go all out and purchase a 5-550 dollar card anyway, when DX10 is coming close to the end of the year, and their price is gonna be even higher? Personally, i have low source of income at this point(damn arabs milking our cash for their gas) And I saved my pennies to build the system i have now.
um, I told my friend to order a 7900GT and he's had nothing but problems. Also, if you check out websites, you'll see that a lot of 7900GTs have issues! However, I think eVGA has fixed it. Not sure about others. Don't go with BFG! My friend sent his card in and got a refurbished one back and still has problems! Stick with X1900XT although, I agree, SLI > Crossfire. Just give ATI a little bit more time. I mean, if they won Microsoft for XBOX360, they can't be doing that bad, right? :?:
Of course the X1950XT(X) will be the best performer, but it should mean significant price drops on the X1900XT which is already a very good value, meaning it'll just be a steal. So I'm voting X1900XT. As a matter of fact, I'll stick with my X800XL AGP, thank you.
And let's not talk about the nVidia "counterparts". They got butchered and skewered in Oblivion and that's just the beginning.
Of course the X1950XT(X) will be the best performer, but it should mean significant price drops on the X1900XT which is already a very good value, meaning it'll just be a steal. So I'm voting X1900XT. As a matter of fact, I'll stick with my X800XL AGP, thank you.
And let's not talk about the nVidia "counterparts". They got butchered and skewered in Oblivion and that's just the beginning.
ugh! whoever said patience is virtue should be shot! I could have saved more money! oh well, hopefully, it'll drop prices of the X1900 Crossfire card as well!
dual graphics (crossfire) here I come! christmas is coming home early!
If I had to buy one now the x1950xtx for sure. I am however waiting on a better MB choice for my C2Duo build so either prices will hopefully be even lower for the GPU or the new DX10 cards will start trickling out. Sometimes a brief wait can be win/win
I like nVidia... not a fan boy or anything... its just prefered brand.
how is that not a fanboi? you buy the worst card because you like the brand (i'm assuming since you say you like nvidia and ati currently has better price to proformance unless you go with lower end cards)
Yeah, if you cant have skillz, you can at least have an excessive peice of gaming hardware.
Um... I don't think the nvidia dx10 cards will be out in 3 weeks. Earliest I've heard is October. Even then, I wouldn't be the first to jump on them. I don't really want the 9700 pro of DX10, if you catch my drift. I don't see much point in upgrading until there is actually dx10 software which likely wont be for several more months.
Anyway, if you HAD to choose one of them (because youre currently gaming on a pentium 200 with a 2mb ati rage vpu), what would it be?
what you on about?!?! The 9700pro was a fantastic card! It was only around 5% slower than the 9800pro. A 9700pro is still a very usable card today!
exactly. Nv vs. ATI arguments aside, the 9700pro IMO is the greatest single card ever made to this point. Better than the energizer bunny, each driver rev gained more performance, and as game devs started unlocking more of dx9's potential that card just rose up to meet the challenge. My wife still games on my old one that is oc'd a bit and it runs even bf2 very well. Not sure what "drift" he was getting at, but if any of the new cards were going to be the "9700pro of dx10" then sign me up! My 9700pro was my main gaiming rig for over 3 years, and ran every new game I threw at it.
strange poll too... "high-end gpu"? where is the 1900xtx? I like my xt, but the xtx is better, and goes toe-to-toe w/ the 79gtx. Ya the 1950 beats them all, but why omit that one? oh well...
It's not at all because I'm a fan boy... I don't take sides. I've always just seemed to get nVidia cards? I'm automatically a fanboy because I buy a certain card? It's not like I preach nVidias cards... hell I know they arent the best... I've always just been comfortable with them. So sue me.
BTW how is the 7950gx2 the worst card? Hmm? Just because there is better out there?
Now, if money is no object then the GX2 is the way to go.
Assuming you're wanting to run Oblivion on a 20" at 1600x1050 from your other thread, the X1950XTX pumps out an AWESOME 1.1 fps more at 1600x1200 on the following benchmark:
And considering the GX2 is 65 bucks more on pricewatch and does 5.2 fps better on Oblivion (1600x1200) than the X1950XT, for super high-end, the GX2 is the winner hands down.
For the money and performance my vote is go for 7900 gtx and make it SLI. This will hold you over for DX10 whenever it comes out and has a real presence and benefit. If you look around, you can find some decent prices on this card.
If I didn't already have a X1900 XTX, I'd go for the X1950 XT(X). I think waiting for DX10 is a bit dumb. Vista has been delayed over and over again, so does anyone really know when Microsoft will release it?
As far as waiting for a G80 or R600, if they were coming out next month, sure I would wait, but when they are 4 months or more away, and thus even closer to the Vista/DX10 debute, I wouldn't wait. The waiting game just becomes an excuse to do nothing.
Also if you stick to the waiting game you tend to be in a vicious loop. It never ends. Either your waiting for Dx10 or oooh wait a second Dx11 around the corner I'll wait and get that! And it never ends... best thing to do is jump in and hold on for the ride.
If I lose you can call me whatever you want.
If I win I get to post that funny picture GW made a few months ago about you being...
Alright honky, your on... But I'm going to switch up my choice on the first part. You can post your picture: and I'll come up with something decent real soon. But you got a deal. I"ll claim the G80 or its its 2nd flagship will be 80nm along side of the 80nm R600.
We got witness' too. Alright; now, we just need a time machine to fast forward to the holiday season.
If I lose you can call me whatever you want.
If I win I get to post that funny picture GW made a few months ago about you being...
Alright honky, your on... But I'm going to switch up my choice on the first part. You can post your picture: and I'll come up with something decent real soon. But you got a deal. I"ll claim the G80 or its its 2nd flagship will be 80nm along side of the 80nm R600.
We got witness' too. Alright; now, we just need a time machine to fast forward to the holiday season.
Ok, you have witnesses. Just one question; If things go wrong, is there a Witness Protection Program?
If the G80 is going to be realesed in September and not the holiday season like it should be, I think wusy is probably in the right with this one.
Plus it makes more sense, I just needed to think... the design for the GPU was tapped out before 80nm sampling was readily available from either TMC or TSMC....so this in itself leads to an obvious answer; the G80 (in Sept) should be 90nm. However if there's a G80X2 or G850....then I'm quite confident that it would be 80nm.
And no Wusy, this isnt a victory and you not allowed to post that pic; save it for another bet, because I didnt lose....I simply conceeded to the possible truth.
ldlver, don't know what you've been smoking by saying "for the money".
I could restate when I said that "if money were no object" by saying "if money were TRUELY no object" and you're willing to spend over $800, sure 7900GTX SLI is the way to go for Oblivion. In some of the other games the Crossfire X1950XTX wins out. But that'll set you back way over $900. Remember, who cares about the extra hundred, I want to play a game that the Crossfire X1950XTX is best at. But since towely wants Oblivion, clearly the Crossfire is not the way to go.
Let's do price vs. performance using Newegg retail parts using the 1600x1200 Oblivion benchmarks I mentioned assuming close to the same numbers for any video card manufacturer will be close enough.
MSI GX2: ~511 after rebate -- 29.1 FPS
Since Newegg had the 7900GTX at $419 as the cheapest, I'll go with pricewatch's at $399. It's Forsa. Who the heck is Forsa? But just for sh*ts and grins I'll use that price. -- 21.4 FPS
Therefore 7900GTX SLi = $798 -- 38.5 FPS
MSI X1900XT -- 22.8 FPS
So, GX2: $511/29.1 FPS = $17.53 per frame
7900 GTX: $399/21.4 FPS = $18.64 per frame
7900 GTX SLI: $798/38.5 FPS = $20.73 per frame
X1900XT: $275/22.8 FPS = $12.06 per frame
Clearly, FOR THE PRICE, the X1900XT DEMOLISHES THE COMPETITION.
I like the way you say that "this will hold you over". Yeah, for the next 10 years. Well, maybe not 10, but at least 9.
I'd hate to deal with the heat of R600 @80nm and the not-so-evolutionary deisgn of G80 @90nm, both avaliable at Jan 2007. So neither.
It's X1900XT/X1950XTX (depending on price as PaulDH said) for me now and R600 @65nm in Q3 2007.
From what I've been hearing, the G80 should be available sometime in September; if that is the case, would you honestly let a little heat stop you from getting a card that's basically guaranteed to perform much better than anything else on the market?
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