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Which High-End GPU Would You Buy this Fall?

Total: 100 votes

  • Ati x1950xt(x)
  • 33 %
  • Ati x1900xt
  • 36 %
  • nVidia 7950gx2
  • 23 %
  • nVidia 7900gtx
  • 9 %
August 25, 2006 2:51:03 AM

Just taking a little poll to gauge your guys' opinions on graphics cards. I am looking for a high end solution to compliment my conroe rig. Gaming at high rezzes and high details is important for me. Don't want to upgrade for at least six months, hopefully more. Like when Crysis comes out, maybe. (End of March, early April '07).

As anyone here who knows me, Oblivion is my game of choice atm. Leaning towards the x1900xt because of the value, but considering splurging on the 1950 to squeeze out a few extra frames with AA and HDR enabled. I tossed the current nVidia champs in there for fairness' sake.

As always, I love you guys <3

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August 25, 2006 3:08:41 AM

Niether, I have an X1900XT thats going to suite me just fine until the next DX API and Vista.....
a b U Graphics card
August 25, 2006 3:15:53 AM

I can't answer your question as it totally depends on pricing. I'd take any of them as an upgrade from my current card except the 7900GTX. Most likely it would take an incredible price to make me buy anything before seeing G80 vs. R600. But Say a $200 X1900XT, or $300 X1950XTX or sub $350 GX2, I'd jump on that. :roll:

If you are talking hypothetical, just pick one. I'd be hoping to find a bargain on the X1950XTX to get high fps and IQ, as well as the heatsink/fan. Since I use AA+HDR in Oblivion and sometimes farcry, not having that support is a personal turnoff for the GF7's, including the beastly GX2.
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August 25, 2006 3:20:30 AM

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I can't answer your question as it totally depends on pricing. I'd take any of them as an upgrade from my current card except the 7900GTX. Most likely it would take an incredible price to make me buy anything before seeing G80 vs. R600. But Say a $200 X1900XT, or $300 X1950XTX or sub $350 GX2, I'd jump on that. :roll:

If you are talking hypothetical, just pick one. I'd be hoping to find a bargain on the X1950XTX to get high fps and IQ, as well as the heatsink/fan. Since I use AA+HDR in Oblivion and sometimes farcry, not having that support is a personal turnoff for the GF7's, including the beastly GX2.


If someone put a gun to your head and made you buy one, which would you choose?
a b U Graphics card
August 25, 2006 3:23:18 AM

That's where I was going when saying the X1950XTX. But if I could wrestle the gun aways and point it at him, I'd make him buy me two X1950XTX's. ;) 
August 25, 2006 3:27:21 AM

Hehe good plan, my friend :) 

the x1950xtx looks like a pretty beefy card. I might have to get it just because my g/f has a x1900xt and, well, I can't let her wear the GPU pants in this relationship ;) 
a b U Graphics card
August 25, 2006 3:30:47 AM

Yeah you should buy the better card to make up for her beating you in games. :p 
August 25, 2006 3:34:01 AM

Your girl not only plays games but has an X1900XT?

Wow, why can't my girl be like yours :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol: 

**and if she see's this...I swear I'm JK****
August 25, 2006 3:56:23 AM

I wouldn't buy any that you listed, I'd wait for the directX 10 compatable cards. I read the Nvidia one will be out i like 3 weeks anyway.
August 25, 2006 4:01:37 AM

Yeah, if you cant have skillz, you can at least have an excessive peice of gaming hardware.

Um... I don't think the nvidia dx10 cards will be out in 3 weeks. Earliest I've heard is October. Even then, I wouldn't be the first to jump on them. I don't really want the 9700 pro of DX10, if you catch my drift. I don't see much point in upgrading until there is actually dx10 software which likely wont be for several more months.

Anyway, if you HAD to choose one of them (because youre currently gaming on a pentium 200 with a 2mb ati rage vpu), what would it be?
August 25, 2006 4:30:51 AM

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You know what, OC'ersUK has X1950XTX's on their site for preorder, but prices are £279.95. That's £100 over the X1900XT and £90 over the HIS iceQ X1900XT. 8O

500 of them arriving Sept 11th.
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/X1950_Series.htm...


Looks like I'll have to pay a premium if I want to lord my new card over her head. Just gonna have to wait and see what the pricing/availability is like across the pond (in Canada, eh).

I would honestly get the x1900xt, but I already have a noise machine (aka a yappy dog) and a space heater. The heat pipes on the 1950 look too cool (pun intended) to turn down.
August 25, 2006 4:49:25 AM

i dont think the dx 10 cards will be out for at least a year fellas unless ya have some kind of proof otherwise get a current card dont bother waighting.
August 25, 2006 5:26:51 AM

None of the above; G80 will be out later this fall and guaranteed to outperform all of the said cards. Now the R600 will be a very competitive if not better core, although the wait should be a little longer.
August 25, 2006 5:41:05 AM

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not-so-evolutionary deisgn of G80 @90nm


Although I dont want to turn this thread into another "what do you think" GPU thread. Seeing the new Nvidia HDMI GPU's @ 80nm.....you dont honestly think the G80 will be 90nm do you :?: :?: :?: :?: :wink:
August 25, 2006 5:54:15 AM

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It's traditional for nVidia and ATi to test their mid-end cores on newer process first before apply them to latest high-end core. This should not be new to you. :wink:


New? Nope....

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And all my latest sources have said G80 on 90nm. :roll:


Honestly the GPU market moves in less sever increments than the CPU LC.
Look recently....went from 130 to 110, to 90 now to 80nm.....

I'm not saying Nv can't get away with it, but it would be a foolish move imo.
August 25, 2006 8:22:45 AM

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None of the above; G80 will be out later this fall and guaranteed to outperform all of the said cards. Now the R600 will be a very competitive if not better core, although the wait should be a little longer.


Keep waiting and pretty soon you'll be dead.

You can always sell your card and buy a new one.

Anyway, you are sitting pretty with a 7800 while I still use an anemic 6800u. Waiting is not an option for me.

Please don't turn this into another "lets wait for dx10" post. I think that topic has been flogged to death a hundred times over by now.
August 25, 2006 9:35:00 AM

I felt I had to vote 7900 gtx as I just bought one :oops:  but I am sure that any of these cards would be great, if you can afford it go with the 7950, that will definitely keep you goin till next year
August 25, 2006 10:16:30 AM

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Yeah, if you cant have skillz, you can at least have an excessive peice of gaming hardware.

Um... I don't think the nvidia dx10 cards will be out in 3 weeks. Earliest I've heard is October. Even then, I wouldn't be the first to jump on them. I don't really want the 9700 pro of DX10, if you catch my drift. I don't see much point in upgrading until there is actually dx10 software which likely wont be for several more months.

Anyway, if you HAD to choose one of them (because youre currently gaming on a pentium 200 with a 2mb ati rage vpu), what would it be?


what you on about?!?! The 9700pro was a fantastic card! It was only around 5% slower than the 9800pro. A 9700pro is still a very usable card today!
August 25, 2006 12:17:08 PM

I would go with any of the cards selected there. I already have 2 7900GTXs in my system, and will hold me over until DX10 and vista. The dire need for people to upgrade right now is understandable, but just out of curiousity, why go all out and purchase a 5-550 dollar card anyway, when DX10 is coming close to the end of the year, and their price is gonna be even higher? Personally, i have low source of income at this point(damn arabs milking our cash for their gas) And I saved my pennies to build the system i have now.
August 25, 2006 1:06:23 PM

JUST 7950GX2 :twisted:
I wish i was rich enough to buy one... :cry: 
August 25, 2006 1:20:34 PM

None, got my X1900GT for a reason. This will easily last me until I need a next-gen card/Vista.
August 25, 2006 1:36:50 PM

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IMHO... 7900GT gives ossum performance and great bizzang for ure bizzuck!
Go SLI


http://images.tomshardware.com/2006/08/23/060823_gpu_an...


um, I told my friend to order a 7900GT and he's had nothing but problems. Also, if you check out websites, you'll see that a lot of 7900GTs have issues! However, I think eVGA has fixed it. Not sure about others. Don't go with BFG! My friend sent his card in and got a refurbished one back and still has problems! Stick with X1900XT although, I agree, SLI > Crossfire. Just give ATI a little bit more time. I mean, if they won Microsoft for XBOX360, they can't be doing that bad, right? :?:
August 25, 2006 1:52:04 PM

X1950XTX pwns all. Considering it's a further improvement to a classic "single core" card, it disses the 7950gx2.
August 25, 2006 1:55:05 PM

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X1950XTX pwns all. Considering it's a further improvement to a classic "single core" card, it disses the 7950gx2.


word
August 25, 2006 1:59:31 PM

Of course the X1950XT(X) will be the best performer, but it should mean significant price drops on the X1900XT which is already a very good value, meaning it'll just be a steal. So I'm voting X1900XT. As a matter of fact, I'll stick with my X800XL AGP, thank you.

And let's not talk about the nVidia "counterparts". They got butchered and skewered in Oblivion and that's just the beginning.
August 25, 2006 2:05:45 PM

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Of course the X1950XT(X) will be the best performer, but it should mean significant price drops on the X1900XT which is already a very good value, meaning it'll just be a steal. So I'm voting X1900XT. As a matter of fact, I'll stick with my X800XL AGP, thank you.

And let's not talk about the nVidia "counterparts". They got butchered and skewered in Oblivion and that's just the beginning.


ugh! whoever said patience is virtue should be shot! I could have saved more money! oh well, hopefully, it'll drop prices of the X1900 Crossfire card as well! :D 

dual graphics (crossfire) here I come! christmas is coming home early! :twisted:
August 25, 2006 2:11:37 PM

If I had to buy one now the x1950xtx for sure. I am however waiting on a better MB choice for my C2Duo build so either prices will hopefully be even lower for the GPU or the new DX10 cards will start trickling out. Sometimes a brief wait can be win/win :) 
August 25, 2006 2:18:27 PM

I'm happy with my BFG 7950gx2.

I like nVidia... not a fan boy or anything... its just prefered brand.
August 25, 2006 2:48:22 PM

You forgot the answer "none" I'm waiting for DX10, at least gen2..
August 25, 2006 3:09:26 PM

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I'm happy with my BFG 7950gx2.

I like nVidia... not a fan boy or anything... its just prefered brand.


how is that not a fanboi? you buy the worst card because you like the brand (i'm assuming since you say you like nvidia and ati currently has better price to proformance unless you go with lower end cards)
August 25, 2006 3:11:10 PM

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Yeah, if you cant have skillz, you can at least have an excessive peice of gaming hardware.

Um... I don't think the nvidia dx10 cards will be out in 3 weeks. Earliest I've heard is October. Even then, I wouldn't be the first to jump on them. I don't really want the 9700 pro of DX10, if you catch my drift. I don't see much point in upgrading until there is actually dx10 software which likely wont be for several more months.

Anyway, if you HAD to choose one of them (because youre currently gaming on a pentium 200 with a 2mb ati rage vpu), what would it be?


what you on about?!?! The 9700pro was a fantastic card! It was only around 5% slower than the 9800pro. A 9700pro is still a very usable card today!

exactly. Nv vs. ATI arguments aside, the 9700pro IMO is the greatest single card ever made to this point. Better than the energizer bunny, each driver rev gained more performance, and as game devs started unlocking more of dx9's potential that card just rose up to meet the challenge. My wife still games on my old one that is oc'd a bit and it runs even bf2 very well. Not sure what "drift" he was getting at, but if any of the new cards were going to be the "9700pro of dx10" then sign me up! My 9700pro was my main gaiming rig for over 3 years, and ran every new game I threw at it.

strange poll too... "high-end gpu"? where is the 1900xtx? I like my xt, but the xtx is better, and goes toe-to-toe w/ the 79gtx. Ya the 1950 beats them all, but why omit that one? oh well...
August 25, 2006 3:12:37 PM

It's not at all because I'm a fan boy... I don't take sides. I've always just seemed to get nVidia cards? I'm automatically a fanboy because I buy a certain card? It's not like I preach nVidias cards... hell I know they arent the best... I've always just been comfortable with them. So sue me.

BTW how is the 7950gx2 the worst card? Hmm? Just because there is better out there?

It sounds like you are a fan boy moreso than me.
August 25, 2006 3:16:06 PM

I voted for the X1900XT as for me it's the best bang for the buck (~280 after mail-in-rebate).

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

Now, if money is no object then the GX2 is the way to go.

Assuming you're wanting to run Oblivion on a 20" at 1600x1050 from your other thread, the X1950XTX pumps out an AWESOME 1.1 fps more at 1600x1200 on the following benchmark:

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2821&p=8

There's a reason to spend ~200 USD more!!

And considering the GX2 is 65 bucks more on pricewatch and does 5.2 fps better on Oblivion (1600x1200) than the X1950XT, for super high-end, the GX2 is the winner hands down.
August 25, 2006 3:37:12 PM

For the money and performance my vote is go for 7900 gtx and make it SLI. This will hold you over for DX10 whenever it comes out and has a real presence and benefit. If you look around, you can find some decent prices on this card.
August 25, 2006 3:53:30 PM

If I didn't already have a X1900 XTX, I'd go for the X1950 XT(X). I think waiting for DX10 is a bit dumb. Vista has been delayed over and over again, so does anyone really know when Microsoft will release it?

As far as waiting for a G80 or R600, if they were coming out next month, sure I would wait, but when they are 4 months or more away, and thus even closer to the Vista/DX10 debute, I wouldn't wait. The waiting game just becomes an excuse to do nothing.
August 25, 2006 3:57:49 PM

Also if you stick to the waiting game you tend to be in a vicious loop. It never ends. Either your waiting for Dx10 or oooh wait a second Dx11 around the corner I'll wait and get that! And it never ends... best thing to do is jump in and hold on for the ride.
August 25, 2006 3:59:27 PM

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How about we lay a bet eh?

If I lose you can call me whatever you want.
If I win I get to post that funny picture GW made a few months ago about you being...


Alright honky, your on... But I'm going to switch up my choice on the first part. You can post your picture: and I'll come up with something decent real soon. But you got a deal. I"ll claim the G80 or its its 2nd flagship will be 80nm along side of the 80nm R600.

We got witness' too. Alright; now, we just need a time machine to fast forward to the holiday season.
August 25, 2006 4:06:13 PM

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How about we lay a bet eh?

If I lose you can call me whatever you want.
If I win I get to post that funny picture GW made a few months ago about you being...


Alright honky, your on... But I'm going to switch up my choice on the first part. You can post your picture: and I'll come up with something decent real soon. But you got a deal. I"ll claim the G80 or its its 2nd flagship will be 80nm along side of the 80nm R600.

We got witness' too. Alright; now, we just need a time machine to fast forward to the holiday season.

Ok, you have witnesses. Just one question; If things go wrong, is there a Witness Protection Program?
August 25, 2006 4:10:00 PM

You know what; cancel that.

If the G80 is going to be realesed in September and not the holiday season like it should be, I think wusy is probably in the right with this one.

Plus it makes more sense, I just needed to think... the design for the GPU was tapped out before 80nm sampling was readily available from either TMC or TSMC....so this in itself leads to an obvious answer; the G80 (in Sept) should be 90nm. However if there's a G80X2 or G850....then I'm quite confident that it would be 80nm.


And no Wusy, this isnt a victory and you not allowed to post that pic; save it for another bet, because I didnt lose....I simply conceeded to the possible truth.
August 25, 2006 5:51:18 PM

ldlver, don't know what you've been smoking by saying "for the money".

I could restate when I said that "if money were no object" by saying "if money were TRUELY no object" and you're willing to spend over $800, sure 7900GTX SLI is the way to go for Oblivion. In some of the other games the Crossfire X1950XTX wins out. But that'll set you back way over $900. Remember, who cares about the extra hundred, I want to play a game that the Crossfire X1950XTX is best at. But since towely wants Oblivion, clearly the Crossfire is not the way to go.

Let's do price vs. performance using Newegg retail parts using the 1600x1200 Oblivion benchmarks I mentioned assuming close to the same numbers for any video card manufacturer will be close enough.

MSI GX2: ~511 after rebate -- 29.1 FPS

Since Newegg had the 7900GTX at $419 as the cheapest, I'll go with pricewatch's at $399. It's Forsa. Who the heck is Forsa? But just for sh*ts and grins I'll use that price. -- 21.4 FPS

Therefore 7900GTX SLi = $798 -- 38.5 FPS

MSI X1900XT -- 22.8 FPS

So, GX2: $511/29.1 FPS = $17.53 per frame

7900 GTX: $399/21.4 FPS = $18.64 per frame

7900 GTX SLI: $798/38.5 FPS = $20.73 per frame

X1900XT: $275/22.8 FPS = $12.06 per frame

Clearly, FOR THE PRICE, the X1900XT DEMOLISHES THE COMPETITION.

I like the way you say that "this will hold you over". Yeah, for the next 10 years. Well, maybe not 10, but at least 9. :D 
August 25, 2006 6:11:24 PM

Sapphire X1900XT
MSI X1900XT Crossfire Master card....

Newegg, shipped total $777.98


I'll take XF for Oblivion thx.
August 25, 2006 6:25:09 PM

:lol:  nice man. Good slam-dunk regardless of xfire pricing, solid logical smack-down on the "for the price" statement. :wink:
August 25, 2006 6:47:01 PM

More proof to just love Ohio people :D  :D  :D 
August 25, 2006 6:55:32 PM

man, I wish everyone was like that. If ohio is all like that, maybe I need to move there. ;) 
August 25, 2006 7:01:38 PM

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I'd hate to deal with the heat of R600 @80nm and the not-so-evolutionary deisgn of G80 @90nm, both avaliable at Jan 2007. So neither.

It's X1900XT/X1950XTX (depending on price as PaulDH said) for me now and R600 @65nm in Q3 2007.
From what I've been hearing, the G80 should be available sometime in September; if that is the case, would you honestly let a little heat stop you from getting a card that's basically guaranteed to perform much better than anything else on the market?
August 25, 2006 7:04:39 PM

Doh. I was looking at the 1024x768 benchmark when I stated that the 7900GTX SLI is the way to go.

I stand corrected for the best of the best at 1600x1200 resolution. I don't know what I was smoking when I was looking at the benchmarks. :oops: 

If you can afford it.

Now, I'm assuming the X1900 Xfire edition is the card to use. There is no X1900XT Xfire. At least that I see on Newegg.

I'm assuming these 2 can be used together:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681... -- $358

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681... -- $275

X1900XT Xfire: $633/38.5 = $16.44 per frame

Not as good as single X1900XT in price/performance but definitely better than the others.

And for the heck of it. Pricewatch lists the X1950XT for $490. The Xfire edition is assumed to be the same price.

X1950XT vanilla: $490/23.9 = $20.50 per frame
X1950XT Xfire: $980/39.4 = $24.87 per frame

Wooh nelly.

And before we get too much further on this subject, towely, how big is your PSU. This SLI/Xfire discussion may be completely pointless. :?
August 25, 2006 10:48:54 PM

I feel the need to get beat up so let me say this. I would have to determine at what point I would NEED to buy a card now. We are in the middle of a cycle. Great new motherboards and CPU's are coming out to be followed by GPU's and games and Vista w/DX10.

I would always buy a card after it had dropped in price. thinking I had gotten a bargain. The reason they dropped in price is due to the life cycle. Their efective life was coming to an end, new models were on the horizon. Then I read an article that said why not buy a new breed of card when it first comes out. That way you have al of its life cycle to enjoy. It comes out efectively cheaper. Say you buy a shiny X1900xtx as I did the first day CompUsa got them in. I figured I had a year at most or 6 months at least before I might have to look at a DX10 card. So I am effectively looking at dividing the days by dollars spent to get my cost per day. My cost is lower per day is I do it this way. By waiting to the middle of the cycle I do not get the use of the high end card and I pay as much if not more per day.

Right now I am content to wait until the DX10 cards and Vista come. I can play all the games I want and there is no worry about the new incremental GPU releases that are only done to be an income stream to the company be it Nvidia OR ATI. (I also have an Nvidia 7800GT bought the same way).

If a person can play at acceptable rates or even suffer a little for a while I would WAIT. Contrary to some opinions waiting is doing something; Choosing prudence. Also 3 months before the Christmas RUSH, is this the best time to buy a card you only think you need? Black Friday is November 24th.

All that being said If I just had to buy now I would get ATI because of the crossfire and physics possibility/capability. Yes in light of/or even because of the ATI/AMD merger.

1)The ATI-Intel chipset team has been re-assigned and AMD will be putting big resources to vault crossfire capable chipsets. They now have complementary products to make money on.
2) The ATI GPU is programmable. Have you ever encoded a video file with a x1900xtx? Simply amazing.
3) Having the Master card is a better idea because needing 2 identical cards in the Nvidia Senario is difficult to implement as time progresses. No card manufacturer is going to make old revisions of cards to satisfy old SLI needs-you are on your own. This increased flexibility will work to ATI's advantage. the BADAXE motherboard has 3 PCI-Express slots and other manufacturers are following. Gigabyte has the Quad Royal that has 4 Pci-Express slots , Asus is coming out with a 4 slot solution also. The revolution is underway.

So because of the revolution if I had to buy now, I woud buy a mid level ATI card that I would use until some of the smoke clears. Then get a highend ATI DX10 card when the Vista/DX10 thing makes it to the market. I could then use the midlevel ATI card as a physics processor ( by the time Vista comes out I think the physics related games will have improved because the characteristic will be built in rather than tacked on)and my options would be open to get a Master card for Crossfire at some time in the future.

Nibble or BITE, :lol: 
Thanks guys
August 25, 2006 11:26:05 PM

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Yeah, if you cant have skillz, you can at least have an excessive peice of gaming hardware.

Um... I don't think the nvidia dx10 cards will be out in 3 weeks. Earliest I've heard is October. Even then, I wouldn't be the first to jump on them. I don't really want the 9700 pro of DX10, if you catch my drift. I don't see much point in upgrading until there is actually dx10 software which likely wont be for several more months.

Anyway, if you HAD to choose one of them (because youre currently gaming on a pentium 200 with a 2mb ati rage vpu), what would it be?


what you on about?!?! The 9700pro was a fantastic card! It was only around 5% slower than the 9800pro. A 9700pro is still a very usable card today!

exactly. Nv vs. ATI arguments aside, the 9700pro IMO is the greatest single card ever made to this point. Better than the energizer bunny, each driver rev gained more performance, and as game devs started unlocking more of dx9's potential that card just rose up to meet the challenge. My wife still games on my old one that is oc'd a bit and it runs even bf2 very well. Not sure what "drift" he was getting at, but if any of the new cards were going to be the "9700pro of dx10" then sign me up! My 9700pro was my main gaiming rig for over 3 years, and ran every new game I threw at it.

strange poll too... "high-end gpu"? where is the 1900xtx? I like my xt, but the xtx is better, and goes toe-to-toe w/ the 79gtx. Ya the 1950 beats them all, but why omit that one? oh well...

Don't get me wrong, the 9700 pro was a fantastic card. I have one in my 4 year old dell. It chewed up all the DX8 games I could throw at it. However, I really wouldn't want to be playing mature dx9 software like Far Cry, Doom 3, FEAR and Oblivion on a 9700 pro.

Sure, I played Far Cry on my 9700 pro, but only at medium settings and only at a resolution of 1024*768. Good thing I didn't have my 20" LCD then, or I really would have been up sh*t creek. I guess I'm just one of those people who demands the best out of all their games.

The first real cards that were able to power the demanding dx9 games to their fullest were the ati x8 / nvidia 6 series, imo.

I omitted the x1900xtx because most people seem to think that its pretty pointless to spend like 50 more bucks for 25mhz.

Oh, well - I've come to expect little more than negativity and condescention from sojrner. There's just no pleasing some people...
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