Nailed to the cross.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070406/ap_on_re/philippines_crucifixion_1

Its about time some crazy Christian fundamentalists come around.. gotta counter that crazy Islamic thing going on.

They nail themselves to crosses, others blow themselves up. Whatever works...

As far as I know, true crucifixion was done by driving the spikes just below the wrist. If it went through the hands, the weight of the person would eventually force the spike to rip through the flesh of the hand causing them to fall off. Just below the wrist ensured that they would stay until taken down, even after the body starts to decompose.

Reminds me of this.

Cilice belts have been around for a long long time. I think that is a pretty extremist thing to do, but crucifixion is truly taking it too far.

you need to beat the shit out of your brother and stop harming that dog. dogs respond to instruction not pain, they are two very different things.

I know a guy (a hunter) that uses those on his dogs. I could never do it, a firm voice and reinforcement as a puppy will be just as effective. I think those collars are called "Gentle Leaders" by one company.

Probably. I have seen varying levels of stabbing ability from those things, the minor ones don't really cause pain I dont think, they just tighten up if the dog pulls too hard, but some of the ones with smaller gauge steel barbs could easily break the skin if the dog took off after an animal or something.

let someone try that on you and see if you like it. seriously, using pain to "train" an animal is wrong and unnecessary.

My wife mastered that skill many years ago

You're welcome to her. You gormless bastard.

Er...no...she has a fetish though for Chanel, Bvlgari, Prada, Dior......

you damn yanks and your peta, so i don't like abuse of anyone or thing.

i try and train my dog so he can behave in society, i do not harm an animal for my own personal pleasure(like wanting them to perform in dog shows). dogs can have a role ina human group, that role is not being someone's property which they can do what they want.

hitting anything like a dog or a child gets you nowhere. children like dogs need to be taught why they must do things not because they fear something.

i don't care if your aunt does train and breed animals, she knows damn all if that is her attitude and come to think of it, so do you.

lol, that means damn all. it doesn't change the fact that harming any one or thing to make them do stuff is wrong, no argument about it IMO.

just becasue you, you aunt or some stupid dog magazine says something doesn't make it so. i have read alot of advice in those magazines and books and alot of it is rubbish.

simple fact is you will always be wrong on this one IMO.

Opinions are like assholes...

You mean sh[i][/i]it?

And your high-and-mighty opinion don't make anything so either...

There is a market for everything. And everyone. So pray Lord, tell how do we market these tickets?

You, sir, are a douchebag.

When it comes to dogs / kids, you can't make a blanket statement on how to "train" them.

I would agree that a touch of pain / fear is wrong, but it can be necessary at times.

So fu[b][/b]ck off.

Animals respond best to being rewarded for good behaviour and being punished for bad behaviour. Only rewarding turns the animal into a sad, pathetic thing only good for ornamentation, and only punishing turns the animal into a sad, vicious psychotic.

Except sheep, who get "rewarded" by the Welsh.

You're on dangerous ground there... oops, too late.

So why did he need treatment? [/normalised deviancy]

He's in Pony Pulling 101 now.........

Just stretching 'er out..

such consideration is much appreciated. however, don't go to too much effort as it ain't like i'm of wingding proportions.