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December 13, 2012 7:44:23 PM

Why exactly do I need all these dedicated Google apps on my Windows Phone again?
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December 13, 2012 7:52:23 PM

KyuuketsukiWhy exactly do I need all these dedicated Google apps on my Windows Phone again?


Because if you are coming from the Android ecosystem it makes migration easier.
Now that most of that stuff isn't available through apps, I'm less inclined to get a Lumia 920.

That and I'll lose all of my Google app Purchases.
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December 13, 2012 8:09:48 PM

Another reason not to use win8.
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December 13, 2012 8:12:46 PM

KyuuketsukiWhy exactly do I need all these dedicated Google apps on my Windows Phone again?

I totally agree, why do we need those apps when nobody else is using Windows based phones beside your?
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December 13, 2012 8:16:21 PM

atikkurAnother reason not to use win8.

Do you have dedicated GMail and Google Maps apps on your Windows 7 computer?
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December 13, 2012 8:18:43 PM

makes sense. Google isn't going to help Microsoft gain traction. If they do end up gaining a sizable user base, then demand will force Google to make apps for Windows phones.

And whoever said they'd lose their google apps purchases, that's a given considering those apps won't run on a windows OS.
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December 13, 2012 8:40:45 PM

Oh well. They will back down and make it eventually, or a third party will. Water under the bridge.
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December 13, 2012 8:41:51 PM

Bluestacks may help with that issue of google app purchases, but that's only maginally useful to some users.

Also there's no reason to complain when you can use a web version which we've probably have been using long before dedicated apps.
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December 13, 2012 8:42:19 PM

The Mail app seems to work well. When I add my gmail account it sets it as imap and you see notifications in the live tile.
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December 13, 2012 10:11:35 PM

Duke3d quote, "That's gotta hurt"
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December 14, 2012 1:12:56 AM

These are the types of games companies play when they're getting too big for their britches. Google can play these silly games if they wish but they need to realize Android/iOS are what people use to play, Windows is what people use to get stuff done. Windows drives the world still, the others are able to exist because of it.

Gmail may be tops right now, but if Google decides to stop innovating to spite Microsoft they risk being surpassed by a company who is truly trying to "Do no evil" and deliver a quality product to their users. I am extremely annoyed by the lack of a Gmail client and this shows a piss poor attitude similar to the one Apple shows in the games they play with the maps app and patent lawsuits. I expect more of Google but perhaps I shouldn't.
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December 14, 2012 1:53:38 AM

Makes sense, Windows 8 market share is five times less than that of Windows 7 at the same point in its lifecycle (1% marketshare of 1.6 billion Windows machines = 16 milliion including pirated copies at the beginning of December), and lots of those users aren't even using Metro - where Windows 8 apps would be - so it makes sense for Google not to invest in such a small user base and not help Microsoft gain a larger Metro userbase.

If W8/WP8 devices take off, I'm sure Google will make apps for them, but at this point they could make a better case developing apps for BlackBerry.
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December 14, 2012 2:11:29 AM

The vast majority of people have spoken on Windows 8 and those vast majority of people are stiking with Windows 7. I said it since the beta the the introduction of metro in windows 8 on pc's and the lack of a start menu killed Windows 8 before it was ever final. Then they went a step even further and took out aero before the RTM adding more unsult to injury.
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December 14, 2012 3:00:25 AM

I'm surprised most of you thumbed me down.
It's like none of you realize that moving platforms is a significant move?

Moving to any platform, I would have to leave my hundreds of app purchases, movies etc behind..
Migration would be easier if they ported the Movies and Gmail apps over at least, but why would Google help out a competitor?
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December 14, 2012 3:16:18 AM

joytech22I'm surprised most of you thumbed me down.It's like none of you realize that moving platforms is a significant move?Moving to any platform, I would have to leave my hundreds of app purchases, movies etc behind..Migration would be easier if they ported the Movies and Gmail apps over at least, but why would Google help out a competitor?


Don't worry about it, it's Microsoft PR social bots doing their rounds. Too bad they can't do anything about dismal sales and low market share.
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December 14, 2012 3:45:06 AM

shadarloThese are the types of games companies play when they're getting too big for their britches. Google can play these silly games if they wish but they need to realize Android/iOS are what people use to play, Windows is what people use to get stuff done. Windows drives the world still, the others are able to exist because of it.Gmail may be tops right now, but if Google decides to stop innovating to spite Microsoft they risk being surpassed by a company who is truly trying to "Do no evil" and deliver a quality product to their users. I am extremely annoyed by the lack of a Gmail client and this shows a piss poor attitude similar to the one Apple shows in the games they play with the maps app and patent lawsuits. I expect more of Google but perhaps I shouldn't.


It isn't a game. How dare Google not produce products for a platform they don't see any demand for yet! Really?


>Android/iOS are what people use to play, Windows is what people use to get stuff done.

No, Windows are what people use who are either too young or too newbie to understand "vendor lock-in", or something they're resigned to being stuck with for the time being. You can "get stuff done" with Android, iOS, OS X, Linux, BSD and Windows. At this stage of the game, they're all full-featured.

>Windows drives the world still,

Windows doesn't "drive the world"... not in servers, not in supercomputers, not in embedded, not in mobile, not in stock exchanges, etc. It has a monopoly on the desktop courtesy of being first and this monopoly produces vendor lock-in which leads many people to either need it or think they need it. This is why South Korea is stuck using ancient buggy versions of Internet Explorer and the security nightmare ActiveX for all of its financial transactions... it was mandated at one point and then vendor lock-in occurred and now they're stuck with it. Even with no longer requiring it, the existing user base creates vendor lock-in and like gravitational pull it becomes hard to escape (those not willing to move away hold the rest back). One independent presidential candidate has even made it a plank in his platform to get rid of ActiveX! Would you say ActiveX is "driving" South Korea? Other than adding the word "crazy", no. The big innovations today are revolving around virtualization, the cloud, and big data, and Windows isn't leading/driving in any of those areas. In fact, in regards to big data, every major product in the category today is open source!

>the others are able to exist because of it.

I assure you neither iOS nor Android need Windows to exist. Heck, neither Apple nor Google run Windows on their general PCs (one guess as to what Apple runs and Google uses a modified version of Ubuntu).

>Gmail may be tops right now, but if Google decides to stop innovating to spite Microsoft

Releasing a Windows 8 app hardly qualifies as "innovating". Google is working on driverless cars... now THAT'S innovating!

> they risk being surpassed by a company who is truly trying to "Do no evil" and deliver a quality
>product to their users.

No one is going to surpass Google in search or advertising anytime soon, and if they do, it'll have nothing to do with Windows 8 email apps. Not supporting Metro is hardly "doing evil". MS' locking Metro apps into the Windows Store - that's another story.

> I am extremely annoyed by the lack of a Gmail client

Again... being locked into the Windows Store doesn't bother you at all, but the lack of Gmail client is what has you annoyed about Windows 8? Running software like your PC is one giant phone doesn't bother you either?

>and this shows a piss poor attitude similar to the one Apple shows in the games they play with the
>maps app and patent lawsuits. I expect more of Google but perhaps I shouldn't.

OK if Google not releasing a Gmail client for Windows 8 and Windows 8 phone is a piss poor attitude, please tell me how you view Microsoft not releasing Office or Internet Explorer or Visual Studio or Access for Linux using the exact same criteria you're using to judge Google. I await the undoubtedly interesting results of this thought experiment, although let's just say I doubt the results will surprise me much.
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December 14, 2012 4:54:40 AM

Honestly, I've been using Windows 8 for the past week and have already decided it time to upgrade all of my PCs, netbook included. Ultimately, it's an amazing operating system. I've found that anyone who complains about Metro Tiles as their number one reason for not wanting Windows 8 (and the lack of a start menu is included in that) is honestly just complaining about aesthetics. It has not hampered productivity at all, I still get stuff done just as fast(if not faster!) than I did before, granted it took a week to get the thing down, and even still I'm learning different features.

Google's lack of "dedicated apps" hinders nothing on my agenda. Chrome still runs and that's fine by me. It's a good back up browser as IE10 is just as amazing as the OS it comes packaged with.

Overall, for $40, if you're not buying Windows 8, I believe you'll end up regretting not buying it while it was this cheap. As for this "Windows Store" garbage I keep hearing... You're honestly retarded if this is what you believe to be the "major evil" Microsoft is committing.

I honestly wish people here would stop reading reviews from idiots and just try the damned thing yourself.
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December 14, 2012 5:39:49 AM

snowzsanHonestly, I've been using Windows 8 for the past week and have already decided it time to upgrade all of my PCs, netbook included. Ultimately, it's an amazing operating system. I've found that anyone who complains about Metro Tiles as their number one reason for not wanting Windows 8 (and the lack of a start menu is included in that) is honestly just complaining about aesthetics. .



Removing the start menu goes beyond personal taste, the start menu is an functionality that serves purpose in the generel computing world which is why many people disliked the idea that ms removed the start menu and as good as some 3rd party programs are at trying oo replicate the start menu like classic shell it's not as good as having the actual start menu itself that's native to the OS.
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December 14, 2012 5:57:54 AM

snowzsanHonestly, I've been using Windows 8 for the past week and have already decided it time to upgrade all of my PCs, netbook included. Ultimately, it's an amazing operating system.


Astroturf harder. Microsoft is doing everything they can to drag their existing Windows user base into their failed mobile ecosystem, and now it's backfiring, with abysmal sales of everything Windows branded. Enjoy your smartphone user interface along with less than 2% of PC users - I'm skipping this one, even if they start giving it away for free.

Windows 7 until 2020 (or until Microsoft comes to their senses)
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December 14, 2012 9:20:54 AM

THANK GOD. I want Win8 to die a quick death. Thanks google. Now if we can just get everyone to do the same we won't have to put up with what microsoft wants us to have next time. Perhaps they'll actually design what we WANT instead. Just fix win7 and re-release it please as osr2 etc. Put DX11.1 & 12 in, with a quick purchase of a company like xplorer2 or TotalCommander so you can replace windows explorer in win7. I'd upgrade to that for $50. :)  Quit mucking with the stuff that works and just fix the crap that doesn't. Either that or rewrite the whole thing from scratch in 64bit, so it comes in at a GB or two instead of bloatware 20GB. Take out all the crapware (moviemaker, mediaplayer, DVD maker etc, AV/defender etc, outlook express) which we all replace or just don't even use or ever need. I can download a better free product of all of this stuff (comodo,AVG, Imgburn, VLCplayer,UMplayer,KMplayer, thunderbird, multiavchd, etc for email blah blah blah). You just might be able to produce an OS then that works on both phones & desktops that really runs fast and small.

Anyone who says win8 is amazing, is either working for MS or just has no idea how real people use PC's. This OS will slow down anyone who used any previous OS and you'll never get as fast as you were using the OLD OS (7 or xp). Win8 has no place on a PC. The amount of productivity lost to this OS per company will be huge if any IT dept is dumb enough to roll this out (which should get you fired immediately for even suggesting it - this is Vista again people!). Better yet, just keep going MS, I'm hoping google will kill your OS next year or two with Chrome/webgl etc. Once DirectX is dead, windows has no use for me. I'm only on this OS because of IT and gaming at home. Heck you could bring back XP with DX12 and I'd be a lot happier than even win7. I'd give $150 for that :)  as long as it came with no accessories (no IE, no Moviemaker, etc etc).
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December 14, 2012 10:36:56 AM

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We are very careful about where we invest and will go where the users are but they are not on Windows Phone or Windows 8.

Sort of burned MS with that one. :D 
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December 14, 2012 10:52:12 AM

Anyone who says win8 is amazing, is either working for MS or just has no idea how real people use PC's. This OS will slow down anyone who used any previous OS and you'll never get as fast as you were using the OLD OS (7 or xp).



Have you even used Windows 8? It is undoubtedly faster than Windows 7 for everyday tasks. It boots FAR faster, it loads programs far faster, it is just a faster experience in everything except gaming. I think you give yourself away as a gamer, not someone who uses windows for work.

My office is switching over some users to Windows 8 and all of these users are raving about how fast their computers are. Note, they did not get new computers, ONLY upgraded from Win7 to Win8.

It's the best Windows to date.

I love Google and I love Android, but Android is a consumption based OS. Windows is a production based OS and still allows me to consume data better. A computer with Win8 is faster and easier to use than Android is.
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December 14, 2012 12:24:31 PM

This announcement is not going to do a dang thing to keep me on Android. I have already made up my mind to go to WP8 regardless.

Only real google app I will miss is the maps/navigation apps but I plan on getting a Nokia WP8 phone which I hear has great its own awesome navigation app anyways.
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December 14, 2012 1:25:14 PM

somebodyspecial.Anyone who says win8 is amazing, is either working for MS or just has no idea how real people use PC's. This OS will slow down anyone who used any previous OS and you'll never get as fast as you were using the OLD OS (7 or xp). Win8 has no place on a PC.


It is quite obvious you have never used Windows 8 even for one minute because your entire post is nothing but untrue uninformed drivel. As for productively Windows 8 is faster to navigate than Windows 7 or XP and that is fact instead of crap like your post.

So with Windows 7 to get to a program in the start menu you first click the Start Menu then All Programs then scroll to the folder then click the folder and finally click on the program you want.

Windows 8 click on the Metro Menu scroll to the program and click to run it that is it. By the time you find the program in Windows 7 I have already started the program and am using it. Then there is the fact that Windows 8 starts faster shutsdown faster app's and games start faster and run better so you can stick with your Windows 7 and be slower or better yet move your ass to Linux and leave gaming and productivity to people that really know how to use a computer.

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December 14, 2012 1:36:18 PM

All i want is G Chat and Chrome on my Surface RT.
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December 14, 2012 1:56:16 PM

somebodyspecialAnyone who says win8 is amazing, is either working for MS or just has no idea how real people use PC's.


There was quite a bit wrong with your post, obviously leading everyone here to believe you've never used a computer but I figured I'd only comment on this. If you honestly believe that, you're an idiot. I don't like attacking people personally but your post justifies it.

Just... get off the computer please. Or at least stick to facebook and calling others homosexuals in your clan chat for whatever crappy title you play because you "refuse to pay for games that should be free" because I'm sure you're on of them as well.
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December 14, 2012 1:57:09 PM

shadarlo:"Have you even used Windows 8? It is undoubtedly faster than Windows 7 for everyday tasks. It boots FAR faster, it loads programs far faster, it is just a faster experience in everything except gaming. I think you give yourself away as a gamer, not someone who uses windows for work."

Yes, I used it for 3 weeks then promptly removed it and decided not to upgrade my 2 win7 lics at home. LOL at booting faster. In an IT environment my customers complain if they boot more than once a day and since we have them on all day in that environment (we complain if you turn them off at night, we can't update, virus check etc - people complain about vcheck during their workday) the boot comment is hilarious. Since you labeled me a gamer, you must be talking about this in a WORK environment (you're upping to 8 in that?) as your comment says, which is laughable. I think you give yourself away as a MS employee. On SSD's memory tricks/caching are gone, so nothing loads any faster and with company users rarely needing more than 80GB a 120GB SSD's are becoming the norm and don't go down like mechanical drives.

Most enterprise users don't open apps all day anyways. I have 4-7 apps up all day (depending on certain tasks, but usually 5) and I don't keep closing and opening many others. Outlook, Excel, Radmin, browser, Track-it (insert name here, MagicSDE etc). Most enterprise users sub the track-it app/Excel/radmin apps for whatever their main purpose is (access, ProE, Solidworks etc..). I may have more on some days but that's pretty much a days work for most users.

All the pretty crap just gets in the way, and nobody uses touch screens at work. So what does 8 get you besides tech calls asking where the start button is? An SSD for win7 would be a much better purchase even for a home user than a copy of win8. Heck even XP runs super fast on one. I have no use for eye candy that slows me down anyway. Aero is useless and slow to me also. Flip 3d crap? Slow. I'm faster in my taskbar at switching apps and I guarantee I was faster in winxp than win7. I don't get much out of 7 that I didn't already get from XP64/SSD.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4boTbv9_nU
Chris Pirillo's dad (from lockergnome, etc..fame) tries to use win8 for the first time. Can you imagine the pain of having to support this x100-5000 users...LOL. Give me a break. This guy has been on PC's, Macs etc. His dad is no technophobe. LOL "but this is not the final version though right?"...ROFL. Chris is a bit cruel with no helping him, but jeez, he's baffled as most users would be. 4.5 minutes of pain here. The whole vid is much longer but I'll spare most as this shows it all and you can google for the whole vid.

Skip to 4:12 for the funniest line ever in history "who put this out?" Chris Responds "Microsoft"...Dad's response "they trying to drive me to mac?"...ROFL. You can read comments on the monitor on the right as he's trying to figure out how to use it. I think the 2nd monitor is twitter or something can't remember. They have a 1/2hr one for him trying ubuntu & Mac also. Heck there are dozens of confused 1st time win8 vids, but this is a great example of a tech-literate dad having serious issues...LOL. My dad had the same responses (minus the mac jab). He's been using computers since DOS (all versions...I still have 6.22 disks...ROFL). Not sure about your android comment either...I had no issues after about 15 minutes on my dad's nexus 10. I'm assuming chrome will be better by the time it's usable as an OS replacement, or we'll all run to Linux as it gets more popular via gaming and Valve porting games to linux as fast as they can to kill win8 :)  I have many MS certs, but I have NO LOVE for their product even though it's my livelihood. I'd be more than happy to start passing Chrome/Linux certs if the need comes. I have no desire to learn OSX or Win8 (I'm not an apple hater, I owned a //e way back when, but I hate apple's tactics now - thus an apple hater now I guess...LOL).
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December 14, 2012 2:10:38 PM

snowzsanHonestly, I've been using Windows 8 for the past week and have already decided it time to upgrade all of my PCs, netbook included. Ultimately, it's an amazing operating system. I've found that anyone who complains about Metro Tiles as their number one reason for not wanting Windows 8 (and the lack of a start menu is included in that) is honestly just complaining about aesthetics. It has not hampered productivity at all, I still get stuff done just as fast(if not faster!) than I did before, granted it took a week to get the thing down, and even still I'm learning different features.Google's lack of "dedicated apps" hinders nothing on my agenda. Chrome still runs and that's fine by me. It's a good back up browser as IE10 is just as amazing as the OS it comes packaged with.Overall, for $40, if you're not buying Windows 8, I believe you'll end up regretting not buying it while it was this cheap. As for this "Windows Store" garbage I keep hearing... You're honestly retarded if this is what you believe to be the "major evil" Microsoft is committing.I honestly wish people here would stop reading reviews from idiots and just try the damned thing yourself.


plus, liked, +, thumbs up.
Same here, I love the metro menu or whatever they're calling it now. So much more useful than the old start menu ;) 
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December 14, 2012 2:26:15 PM

Sorry snowzsan, I don't play online games (very rare anyway), and I have no facebook/twitter/linkdin etc account. I have no use for such crap and hope those sites die right along with win8 :)  On top of that jobs I interview for don't hire if you have one...ROFL. Yeah, they actually ask more often than not.

I don't see EVERYONE here responding my post was crap. It's sales figures and the RT sales don't lie. I'm not alone hating win8 and just because I do does not mean I haven't used it. It baffles me when someone says they dislike win8 MS employees start claiming you've never used it if you think that...ROFL. So Dell/HP etc saying it's slowing sales are just dumb too eh? No, customers don't want to buy anything with win8 involved. 20% sales off means a heck of a lot of people agree with me. Win 8 won't get 10% of enterprise, just like vista. Nuff said? Those numbers don't lie. It's a support nightmare. I've USED IT. and pray I never have to support it or use it again.

It's funny you said there's a lot wrong with my post but say nothing about it. Just an attack on me personally with ridiculous comments regarding my intelligence, games you THINK I play, useless websites and homosexuals. Nice. I have a 133 IQ BTW (well, 131-135 depending on the test) but I don't think that's really relevant based on the level of hate towards win8 being ubiquitous all around. Note quite sure where your game comment came from or what games I play have to do with this. I made comments that are well proved by many (and sales figures). Your attacks on me have no basis and tell me you need to look in the mirror more often. :) 
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December 14, 2012 5:33:51 PM

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It is quite obvious you have never used Windows 8 even for one minute because your entire post is nothing but untrue uninformed drivel. As for productively Windows 8 is faster to navigate than Windows 7 or XP and that is fact instead of crap like your post.

So with Windows 7 to get to a program in the start menu you first click the Start Menu then All Programs then scroll to the folder then click the folder and finally click on the program you want.

Windows 8 click on the Metro Menu scroll to the program and click to run it that is it. By the time you find the program in Windows 7 I have already started the program and am using it. Then there is the fact that Windows 8 starts faster shutsdown faster app's and games start faster and run better so you can stick with your Windows 7 and be slower or better yet move your ass to Linux and leave gaming and productivity to people that really know how to use a computer.


I'm not quite sure you know how to use win7 then (or XP). My top 20 apps used are pinned to my start menu, that's one click to start, then another for the app. NO SCROLLING ever. :ouch:  Another 15 or so are below that that are randomly used. I haven't clicked an app on the "PROGRAMS" menu in EITHER win7 or XP since they came out. Even easier I have my entire desktop available with one click from the taskbar if needed. ONE click, I see the whole deskop in a vertical menu. Are you unaware of any of these ways to use win7? You could do the same in XP. Jeez, a simple rightclick of the taskbar in win7, Toolbars, DESKTOP, turns this on. You didn't learn the last 2 OS's (or you wouldn't tell me all those clicks), so how can you comment on me not using the new one? Too difficult to use the search box on the start menu? A few letters in and it gives you your program (slow, but effective if you don't know where your app, doc or whatever is). All of these ways are quicker for me save the last. You can even create your own toolbars from that same menu for people with super OCD or organizing fanatics. Jeez. :lol: 

I have certs on both WinXP and 7 (and server certs, network+,a+ etc), and used 8 long enough to know I don't believe I'll have to get certified on it as no IT dept worth their salt would upgrade to it. But that didn't stop me from watching Win8 Essentials from Lynda while getting familiar with 8. I still think it sucks and its sales (and companies like HP/Dell complaining about lack of sales) tells me I'm right. I thought the same thing about Vista and never got a cert for it. It never reached 10% of enterprise, and Win8 won't either. Windows 9 is now expected next year...ROFL. This is a Vista/Win7 moment if I ever saw one but even faster. They at least waited 2.6-2.7yrs for Win7. That won't be the case from 8 to 9. Surface Pro is being pushed up too as RT is sucking wind. Surface might have made a bigger splash if they'd have released it everywhere (not just microsoft's own stores, only now adding bestbuy/staples) and included the Tegra3+ as an option for the same price (why did they use the 1.3ghz when they could have had 1.7ghz?). But they didn't so they're now cutting production in half and pushing up PRO release date with Intel/x86. That however, will fail too as it will be competing with Tegra4/Exynos 6 products shortly after it arrives. It's saving grace is x86, but why buy that when you can get a win7 tablet cheaper anyway with more power. $700-900 for a Surface PRO? I just picked out a quadcore HP for my sister a few months ago (I5) with basically the same battery life and 17in, 8GB, 750GB HD, NV650 etc for $850. Total failure and because of MS pricing in this case.

I suggest you sign up for Lynda.com or totaltraining.com and learn how to actually use your computer. For as little as $30/25 per mo. from either you get unlimited viewing per month for ALL their courses (photoshop/dreamweaver/office2010 etc...tons of stuff to learn for that cost). Both will teach you the things I'm talking about here (user interface etc from an END-USER perspective for your OS). IF you want to go further and get your cert and learn the OS for REAL look into some $200-500 course like I purchase for everything I need to keep up in IT. Trainsignal & Testout (cheap best, and expensive best IMHO) or CBT Nuggets/Learnsmart/K.Alliance covers the rest depends on which teachers you like. I own the first three just for win7 alone...LOL. The combos I have for all of 2008 is even deeper (with a bunch of preplogic/transcender tests for all that's needed to finish my MCITPEA). I'm just gearing up for 2012 purchases but it's not all out yet. Nuggets has a jump on everyone but I'd rather wait out testout/trainsignal for that suite in a pack. It boggles my mind, that people like you even comment to people like me, when clearly you have no idea how to use the last OS. The lynda course for win7 (or even now 8, just came out less than 5hrs) is only about 10hrs. I know because I checked out converting it for my parents for the roku (unfortunately roku doesn't support flash or .mov unless streaming from playon/VLC/plex - which works BTW in all 3 cases).

I submit YOUR opinion is totally uninformed NOT MINE. The only thing that actually seems to get better in each version is rollout (opinions vary), but if I don't want to support what I'd be rolling out what's the point? Win7 has so many deployment options they have a cert just for that (70-681) but not many use it this deep therefore most choose 70-680/685 over 680/681 combo and a lot of these features just get ignored. I'm just guessing saying this part may be better, as I didn't have to get that far before I drew my conclusions and removed win8.

Can you back your opinion with anything besides statements that show your ignorance regarding the last OS? What in my statements was "UNTRUE"? From your statements about how to use win7 you don't know how to use it, nor have you ever had to support ANY OS. On the other hand, IT'S MY JOB to know & support whatever my company does. I'm in IT for Christ's sake. I OWNED a PC business for 8yrs. I'm pretty sure my opinion is very informed even if I'm BAD at my job...LOL. Can I get win8 workable? Yeah, but what for? The only reason I LEARN something new on a PC is it's going to be BETTER or significantly faster than what I already had. I have to buy new hardware to make 8 faster than 7...LOL. Win8 is NOT faster than 7 . Boot times & shutdown mean nothing...A good OS doesn't need this for weeks or months! I haven't rebooted my PC is over a month & that was for UPDATES (same when I used xp64 mostly)! Patch tuesday...LOL. I ignore everything between then and do these once a month across all my family's pc's. My PC's run all day 24x7x365 also. The only time they stop is if I rebuild or they reboot for updates. Playon/Plex force this if your a streamer and I have a business line so I can run a server all I want on cox. What are you doing doing that causes you to even notice a boot time? Still not running an SSD for your boot drive (M4 128GB goes for $80 these days on sale, S830 also)? :sarcastic:  Argue with someone who actually doesn't know what they're doing...ROFL. I've got a great Jeff Dunham show for you... :pfff:  I digress...
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December 15, 2012 1:09:17 AM

snowzsanHonestly, I've been using Windows 8 for the past week and have already decided it time to upgrade all of my PCs, netbook included. Ultimately, it's an amazing operating system. I've found that anyone who complains about Metro Tiles as their number one reason for not wanting Windows 8 (and the lack of a start menu is included in that) is honestly just complaining about aesthetics. It has not hampered productivity at all, I still get stuff done just as fast(if not faster!) than I did before, granted it took a week to get the thing down, and even still I'm learning different features.Google's lack of "dedicated apps" hinders nothing on my agenda. Chrome still runs and that's fine by me. It's a good back up browser as IE10 is just as amazing as the OS it comes packaged with.Overall, for $40, if you're not buying Windows 8, I believe you'll end up regretting not buying it while it was this cheap. As for this "Windows Store" garbage I keep hearing... You're honestly retarded if this is what you believe to be the "major evil" Microsoft is committing.I honestly wish people here would stop reading reviews from idiots and just try the damned thing yourself.


>Ultimately, it's an amazing operating system.
What's so amazing compared to other OSes, or even Windows 7? There's no new feature in Win8 outside of Metro that wasn't present in other operating systems, particularly Linux, more than two years ago. Win8 is a catch-up release that also aims to lay the foundation to (forcibly) merge MS' desktop and mobile platforms. Nothing awe-inspiring there.

>just complaining about aesthetics

Does that include the Phd. user interface specialists? Is not being able to overlap windows "aesthetics"? Is every Metro app launching at full screen size, even if it only displays a few lines of text, "aesthetics"?
It is a mobile, touch-oriented OS on a non-touch (usually) desktop. That's not "aesthetics", that's fundamental usability issues.

>granted it took a week to get the thing down, and even still I'm learning different features.

Sigh... no, no you're not. You're being forcibly trained to learn the UI found on Microsoft's tablets and phones in the hopes you'll buy one to avoid having to learn another UI the next time you're in the market for a device. This is fact. Even the NY Times ran a piece about Sinofsky debating Ballmer about making Metro mandatory on Win8 and Sinofsky arguing that it was the only way they would be able to get a toehold in the mobile market. You're part of a forced training program, and you're asking "Thank you sir, may I please have another?" :-(

> It's a good back up browser as IE10 is just as amazing as the OS it comes packaged with.

Wow, this goes beyond Stockholm Syndrome...

>As for this "Windows Store" garbage I keep hearing... You're honestly retarded if this is what you
>believe to be the "major evil" Microsoft is committing.I honestly wish people here would stop reading
>reviews from idiots and just try the damned thing yourself.

The "garbage" you keep hearing is that the OS is now locked down like a smart phone. If pointing this out makes one "retarded" (you really don't have any rebuttal, do you?) then I join the proudly retarded ranks of Gabe Newell, Blizzard and the creator of Minecraft. That's nice company. If you want Microsoft to control everything you put on your PC - and it certainly sounds like you do! - have at it. The rest of us like to believe we own our own computers, thank you very much, and aren't going to let Microsoft dictate what we do with it. Have fun with "Windows Blue" when every Metro developer will be compelled to target WinPhone and Surface (despite lousy market share) or be kicked out of the Windows store. Do you understand what the anti-capitalist concept of "leveraging one monopoly to create another" is? MS is attempting to exploit its monopoly desktop position to artificially force app development onto its mobile platforms and boost its app library, while any non-monopoly would see minimal app development with those ownership numbers. That's not good for the consumer.

>I honestly wish people here would stop reading reviews from idiots and just try the damned thing
>yourself.

You do recognize the whole purpose of this website, why people come here, is to read reviews of products before purchase, right? I think your plea to "stop reading reviews" will fall on deaf ears. Naturally I assume that your definition of "idiot" is anyone who doesn't praise anything Microsoft did with Windows 8 and your rebuttal of Windows Store lock-in being merely to call other people "retarded" establishes your credentials in judging who "idiots" are. Finally, people aren't going to just go out and buy the thing to see if they like it; they'll be out their money if they don't. And if they don't like it, you'll just consider them "idiots" anyway.
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December 15, 2012 3:04:40 AM

... kick in the nut's... no mater if you you use or not google things... but as a statement from one industry giant to another...
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