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Anonymous
June 15, 2004 1:32:42 PM

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Hi,

Does anyone know how to get the Windows 2000 boot loader (or whatever it is
called) off of a hard drive? That is, the part when the computer is booting
and the white, text mode progress indicator runs. When I install Windows XP
on a new hard drive, that progress bar is not there, but I can't get rid of
it from any drive that has been a boot drive for Windows 2000.

Thank you,
DEJ
Anonymous
June 15, 2004 11:07:54 PM

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Hi,

If you remove the boot loader sure machine is not going to boot
The white bar in windows 2000 does not show the boot loader sequence
it actually shows the loading of kernel mode drivers
the same white bar function is performed within the black screen of Windows
XP
ie that is Windows XP does not have white bar by design

If you more information please reply back


Abhijeet Nigam
June 16, 2004 2:47:54 AM

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There is a dangerous way... And that is running "fdisk /mbr", but it will
also remove ALL PARITIONS. I suggest you to remove all other harddisks
before clearing the MBR.

Another way for doing it is to use the excellent linux tool "dd"... But
that's even more dangerous ;-).

// Chen

"danjam" <djameson@childrensoncologygroup.org> skrev i meddelandet
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> Hi,
>
> Does anyone know how to get the Windows 2000 boot loader (or whatever it
is
> called) off of a hard drive? That is, the part when the computer is
booting
> and the white, text mode progress indicator runs. When I install Windows
XP
> on a new hard drive, that progress bar is not there, but I can't get rid
of
> it from any drive that has been a boot drive for Windows 2000.
>
> Thank you,
> DEJ
>
>
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June 16, 2004 2:47:55 AM

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"Pegasus (MVP)" <I.can@fly.com> wrote in message
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> This is incorrect: fdisk /mbr will restore the Windows Master Boot
> Record. It will certainly not delete any partitions.

Well, in an case, the FDISK commands won't work in 2000 or XP, never has,
and never will!
Anonymous
June 16, 2004 11:27:27 AM

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"danjam" <djameson@childrensoncologygroup.org> wrote in message
news:uxOqpZvUEHA.716@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> Hi,
>
> Does anyone know how to get the Windows 2000 boot loader (or whatever it
is
> called) off of a hard drive? That is, the part when the computer is
booting
> and the white, text mode progress indicator runs. When I install Windows
XP
> on a new hard drive, that progress bar is not there, but I can't get rid
of
> it from any drive that has been a boot drive for Windows 2000.
>
> Thank you,
> DEJ
>

If you get rid of it then Win2000 won't load! To make it invisible,
just set timeout=0 in the hidden file c:\boot.ini.
June 16, 2004 11:38:23 AM

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Yes, true, it won't work inside 2k or XP... But you can start from a
bootdisk (www.bootdisk.com) instead!

// Chen

"Tom" <noway@nothere.com> skrev i meddelandet
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>
> "Pegasus (MVP)" <I.can@fly.com> wrote in message
> news:%23VkSz%23xUEHA.1048@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > This is incorrect: fdisk /mbr will restore the Windows Master Boot
> > Record. It will certainly not delete any partitions.
>
> Well, in an case, the FDISK commands won't work in 2000 or XP, never has,
> and never will!
>
>
June 16, 2004 11:41:23 AM

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But... don't forget that boot.ini is a "hidden file" and
"write-protected"... ;-)

The easiest way for changing it is to use msconfig. (start->run, msconfig,
OK)

// Chen

"Pegasus (MVP)" <I.can@fly.com> skrev i meddelandet
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>
> "danjam" <djameson@childrensoncologygroup.org> wrote in message
> news:uxOqpZvUEHA.716@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> > Hi,
> >
> > Does anyone know how to get the Windows 2000 boot loader (or whatever it
> is
> > called) off of a hard drive? That is, the part when the computer is
> booting
> > and the white, text mode progress indicator runs. When I install
Windows
> XP
> > on a new hard drive, that progress bar is not there, but I can't get rid
> of
> > it from any drive that has been a boot drive for Windows 2000.
> >
> > Thank you,
> > DEJ
> >
>
> If you get rid of it then Win2000 won't load! To make it invisible,
> just set timeout=0 in the hidden file c:\boot.ini.
>
>
Anonymous
June 17, 2004 1:19:05 PM

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>> "fdisk /mbr"

It clears the MBR. Well, there is, of course, files left on the NTFS
partition... Fdisk can't handle those files though (but "the user", with
help of Windows XP/2k can :-) ).

Chen:

There are two "boot loaders".

One is the code in the MBR section of the hard disk.
This can be replaced by running fdisk /mbr

The other is in a partition and is called the partition boot loader.
It is not replaced by fdisk /mbr

When a computer boots, the MBR queries the partition table for the active
primary partition.
Control is then passed to the partition boot loader of that partition.

>> The OPs question was "how can you remove the win2k bootloader?", and
>> fdisk can do that.

No, it cannot.
And, the code in the MBR section of the hard disk is generic. I have used
DOS to replace it for various Windows computers.
June 17, 2004 10:45:23 PM

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That's correct... but not for 2k/XP...

Usually, MBR is calling the code in the active partition's boot record, but
the XP/2k bootloader is placing itself in MBR for "dualboot" support (you
know, the nice bootmenu). That's not neccessary (Lilo and Grub can be placed
in other places), but it's still doing it...

see http://www.qvctc.commnet.edu/classes/csc277/boot-xp.htm...

and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LILO-3.html ("During the NT installation,
setup is not going to ask you where to place NT's boot loader, so it would
be placed into the MBR (Master Boot Record) of your hard disk"

// Chen

"CZ" <CZ@no99spam.com> skrev i meddelandet
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> >> "fdisk /mbr"
>
> It clears the MBR. Well, there is, of course, files left on the NTFS
> partition... Fdisk can't handle those files though (but "the user", with
> help of Windows XP/2k can :-) ).
>
> Chen:
>
> There are two "boot loaders".
>
> One is the code in the MBR section of the hard disk.
> This can be replaced by running fdisk /mbr
>
> The other is in a partition and is called the partition boot loader.
> It is not replaced by fdisk /mbr
>
> When a computer boots, the MBR queries the partition table for the active
> primary partition.
> Control is then passed to the partition boot loader of that partition.
>
> >> The OPs question was "how can you remove the win2k bootloader?", and
> >> fdisk can do that.
>
> No, it cannot.
> And, the code in the MBR section of the hard disk is generic. I have used
> DOS to replace it for various Windows computers.
>
>
>
>
>
>
Anonymous
June 17, 2004 10:45:24 PM

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>> That's correct... but not for 2k/XP...

Usually, MBR is calling the code in the active partition's boot record, but
the XP/2k bootloader is placing itself in MBR for "dualboot" support (you
know, the nice bootmenu).

Chen:

The bootup concept has not changed since NT 3.x, and applies to all NT based
op systems thru XP and Win2k3 server.

The boot sequence: BIOS > MBR > primary partition boot sector > ntldr >
boot.ini > ntdetect > ntldr > ntoskrnl/hal/system hive > win32 subsystem.

The MS boot code in the MBR does not know what a dual boot is.
The partition boot code calls the ntldr file which uses the boot.ini file to
display the dual boot menu. The boot.ini file is in drive C:, it is not in
the MBR sector of the hard disk. The same is true for the partition boot
code.

The MS boot code in the MBR is generic, I have used DOS fdisk /mbr on a
computer with Win XP on it without problems.
The lowest level 2k/XP specific boot code is the primary partition boot
loader, not the MBR code.
!