Need new case for new pc

Hi everybody, i'm a pc gamer addict and my old comp (more then 4 years old 8O ) is near retirement. By the end of the year, i will buy a new one.

I'm looking for a case that "scream" gaming when you look at it but, it must also have a great air flow and have room to fit all the parts.

Because of my pc desk and the way i sit my pc on it, the case cannot exceed 18" high and cannot have top usb and audio ports.

just a exemple of what i talk when i say scream gaming:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowImage.asp?Image=11%2D146%2D002%2D20%2Ejpg%2C11%2D146%2D002%2D19%2Ejpg%2C11%2D146%2D002%2D10%2Ejpg%2C11%2D146%2D002%2D14%2EJPG%2C11%2D146%2D002%2D11%2EJPG%2C11%2D146%2D002%2D12%2EJPG%2C11%2D146%2D002%2D21%2Ejpg%2C11%2D146%2D002%2D22%2Ejpg%2C11%2D146%2D002%2D13%2EJPG%2C11%2D146%2D002%2D16%2EJPG%2C11%2D146%2D002%2D17%2EJPG%2C11%2D146%2D002%2D23%2Ejpg%2C11%2D146%2D002%2D24%2Ejpg&CurImage=11%2D146%2D002%2D20%2Ejpg&Description=NZXT+GUARDIAN+BLK+Black+SECC+STEEL+ATX+Mid+Tower+Computer+Case+400+WATT+PS2+ATX+12V+Power+Supply+%2D+Retail

Here the spec of my future pc:

CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo E6600
Motherboard: ASUS with SLI capacity (not fix yet)
Memory: 2GB (2x1024MB) (not fix yet, something fast)
Video: 2 BFG GeForce 7900GTX 512MB (SLI)
Hard Drive 1: Western Digital WD1500ADFD 150GB 10000RPM 16MB SATA
DVD/CD writer: LG DVD+/-RW 16X (not fix yet)
Audio: not sure, probably stick with on-board

I have been looking over the net for some times and each time i think i have found a cool case, i always found bad or contradicting reviews for it. So, i'm waiting for you guys to point me some cases that will fit my needs.

On a side note, how big my PSU must be for everything to work fine?
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  1. Quote:
    Hi everybody, i'm a pc gamer addict and my old comp (more then 4 years old 8O ) is near retirement. By the end of the year, i will buy a new one.

    I'm looking for a case that "scream" gaming when you look at it but, it must also have a great air flow and have room to fit all the parts.

    Because of my pc desk and the way i sit my pc on it, the case cannot exceed 18" high and cannot have top usb and audio ports.

    just a exemple of what i talk when i say scream gaming:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowImage.asp?Image=11%2D146%2D002%2D20%2Ejpg%2C11%2D146%2D002%2D19%2Ejpg%2C11%2D146%2D002%2D10%2Ejpg%2C11%2D146%2D002%2D14%2EJPG%2C11%2D146%2D002%2D11%2EJPG%2C11%2D146%2D002%2D12%2EJPG%2C11%2D146%2D002%2D21%2Ejpg%2C11%2D146%2D002%2D22%2Ejpg%2C11%2D146%2D002%2D13%2EJPG%2C11%2D146%2D002%2D16%2EJPG%2C11%2D146%2D002%2D17%2EJPG%2C11%2D146%2D002%2D23%2Ejpg%2C11%2D146%2D002%2D24%2Ejpg&CurImage=11%2D146%2D002%2D20%2Ejpg&Description=NZXT+GUARDIAN+BLK+Black+SECC+STEEL+ATX+Mid+Tower+Computer+Case+400+WATT+PS2+ATX+12V+Power+Supply+%2D+Retail

    Here the spec of my future pc:

    CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo E6600
    Motherboard: ASUS with SLI capacity (not fix yet)
    Memory: 2GB (2x1024MB) (not fix yet, something fast)
    Video: 2 BFG GeForce 7900GTX 512MB (SLI)
    Hard Drive 1: Western Digital WD1500ADFD 150GB 10000RPM 16MB SATA
    DVD/CD writer: LG DVD+/-RW 16X (not fix yet)
    Audio: not sure, probably stick with on-board

    I have been looking over the net for some times and each time i think i have found a cool case, i always found bad or contradicting reviews for it. So, i'm waiting for you guys to point me some cases that will fit my needs.

    On a side note, how big my PSU must be for everything to work fine?


    Is your PC going to be inside a desk? If this is what you're suggesting I'd advise against this as some desks can cause hot air too pool inside the desk.
  2. no, my pc rest on my desk but there a top shelf over it that limit the height of the pc case.
  3. Quote:
    Hi everybody, i'm a pc gamer addict and my old comp (more then 4 years old 8O ) is near retirement. By the end of the year, i will buy a new one.

    I'm looking for a case that "scream" gaming when you look at it but, it must also have a great air flow and have room to fit all the parts.

    Because of my pc desk and the way i sit my pc on it, the case cannot exceed 18" high and cannot have top usb and audio ports.

    just a exemple of what i talk when i say scream gaming:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowImage.asp?Image=11%2D146%2D002%2D20%2Ejpg%2C11%2D146%2D002%2D19%2Ejpg%2C11%2D146%2D002%2D10%2Ejpg%2C11%2D146%2D002%2D14%2EJPG%2C11%2D146%2D002%2D11%2EJPG%2C11%2D146%2D002%2D12%2EJPG%2C11%2D146%2D002%2D21%2Ejpg%2C11%2D146%2D002%2D22%2Ejpg%2C11%2D146%2D002%2D13%2EJPG%2C11%2D146%2D002%2D16%2EJPG%2C11%2D146%2D002%2D17%2EJPG%2C11%2D146%2D002%2D23%2Ejpg%2C11%2D146%2D002%2D24%2Ejpg&CurImage=11%2D146%2D002%2D20%2Ejpg&Description=NZXT+GUARDIAN+BLK+Black+SECC+STEEL+ATX+Mid+Tower+Computer+Case+400+WATT+PS2+ATX+12V+Power+Supply+%2D+Retail

    Here the spec of my future pc:

    CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo E6600
    Motherboard: ASUS with SLI capacity (not fix yet)
    Memory: 2GB (2x1024MB) (not fix yet, something fast)
    Video: 2 BFG GeForce 7900GTX 512MB (SLI)
    Hard Drive 1: Western Digital WD1500ADFD 150GB 10000RPM 16MB SATA
    DVD/CD writer: LG DVD+/-RW 16X (not fix yet)
    Audio: not sure, probably stick with on-board

    I have been looking over the net for some times and each time i think i have found a cool case, i always found bad or contradicting reviews for it. So, i'm waiting for you guys to point me some cases that will fit my needs.

    On a side note, how big my PSU must be for everything to work fine?


    Nice build, but before we get to the case I wana give a few pointers for your build.

    THIS board is probably your best bet for an Asus SLI conroe capable board. It supports DDR2 800 as well, and complete heat pipe cooling with optional fans if you wana overclock.

    THIS corsair memory is very affordible for DDR2 800 memory. Alot of people praise how well it runs in Asus boards.

    Now your harddrive, I was going to suggest 2x 74gb raptors in raid0 instead, seeing as it would be faster with nearly the same amount of capacity. But after looking up newegg and seeing that you can get the 150gb raptor for 210$ after MIR I think thats solid. Do you have a second drive for storage? If not I recommend sticking with WD and getting one of THESE Of course you could get a smaller model and save some money. But the "KS" harddrives from WD are plenty fast.

    Now to the case... Hmm, actually Gigabyte has some new cases that I instantly fell in love with. Although i'm not for "in your face" styled cases... I guess it's all opinion. Anyways, HERE it is. Although newegg doesn't have it yet so this case is brand new. However if thats not your thing I only found one other case I liked that fit your criteria. HERE . Although I personally like elegant cases, it's probably not what your looking for so I'm probably the worsed person to recommend a "screaming" gaming case.
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    Nice build, but before we get to the case I wana give a few pointers for your build.

    THIS board is probably your best bet for an Asus SLI conroe capable board. It supports DDR2 800 as well, and complete heat pipe cooling with optional fans if you wana overclock.

    THIS corsair memory is very affordible for DDR2 800 memory. Alot of people praise how well it runs in Asus boards.

    Now your harddrive, I was going to suggest 2x 74gb raptors in raid0 instead, seeing as it would be faster with nearly the same amount of capacity. But after looking up newegg and seeing that you can get the 150gb raptor for 210$ after MIR I think thats solid. Do you have a second drive for storage? If not I recommend sticking with WD and getting one of THESE Of course you could get a smaller model and save some money. But the "KS" harddrives from WD are plenty fast.

    Now to the case... Hmm, actually Gigabyte has some new cases that I instantly fell in love with. Although i'm not for "in your face" styled cases... I guess it's all opinion. Anyways, HERE it is. Although newegg doesn't have it yet so this case is brand new. However if thats not your thing I only found one other case I liked that fit your criteria. HERE . Although I personally like elegant cases, it's probably not what your looking for so I'm probably the worsed person to recommend a "screaming" gaming case.


    Yeah. have to say I don't like cases that scream anything :)

    I had an Antec 1000AMG with a couple of blue LED fans and soon tired of it being too in my face and that was mild compared to most cases. Now I've got a P180 and it's cool, quiet and best of all it looks good without lighting up the room. I even bought a table that's about 15cm tall just to keep it off the ground and stop a lot of dust from getting inside.

    Question. Does the PC necessarily have to be on top of your desk?
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    Question. Does the PC necessarily have to be on top of your desk?


    No, but having more clearance near any intake/exhaust will help with temps. But puting your computer inside those desks that enclose your computer is a bad idea UNLESS you have intake only from the front and exhaust only at the back. So you have a straight airflow from front to back. Then you just need to be worried about clearance in the rear, then you should be ok. But it's still better off if the case itself can disipate heat.
  6. Quote:
    Hi everybody, i'm a pc gamer addict and my old comp (more then 4 years old 8O ) is near retirement. By the end of the year, i will buy a new one.

    I'm looking for a case that "scream" gaming when you look at it but, it must also have a great air flow and have room to fit all the parts.

    Because of my pc desk and the way i sit my pc on it, the case cannot exceed 18" high and cannot have top usb and audio ports.

    just a exemple of what i talk when i say scream gaming:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowImage.asp?Image=11%2D146%2D002%2D20%2Ejpg%2C11%2D146%2D002%2D19%2Ejpg%2C11%2D146%2D002%2D10%2Ejpg%2C11%2D146%2D002%2D14%2EJPG%2C11%2D146%2D002%2D11%2EJPG%2C11%2D146%2D002%2D12%2EJPG%2C11%2D146%2D002%2D21%2Ejpg%2C11%2D146%2D002%2D22%2Ejpg%2C11%2D146%2D002%2D13%2EJPG%2C11%2D146%2D002%2D16%2EJPG%2C11%2D146%2D002%2D17%2EJPG%2C11%2D146%2D002%2D23%2Ejpg%2C11%2D146%2D002%2D24%2Ejpg&CurImage=11%2D146%2D002%2D20%2Ejpg&Description=NZXT+GUARDIAN+BLK+Black+SECC+STEEL+ATX+Mid+Tower+Computer+Case+400+WATT+PS2+ATX+12V+Power+Supply+%2D+Retail

    Here the spec of my future pc:

    CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo E6600
    Motherboard: ASUS with SLI capacity (not fix yet)
    Memory: 2GB (2x1024MB) (not fix yet, something fast)
    Video: 2 BFG GeForce 7900GTX 512MB (SLI)
    Hard Drive 1: Western Digital WD1500ADFD 150GB 10000RPM 16MB SATA
    DVD/CD writer: LG DVD+/-RW 16X (not fix yet)
    Audio: not sure, probably stick with on-board

    I have been looking over the net for some times and each time i think i have found a cool case, i always found bad or contradicting reviews for it. So, i'm waiting for you guys to point me some cases that will fit my needs.

    On a side note, how big my PSU must be for everything to work fine?


    The case looks nice but it is not good to keep the parts inside cool.
    Get a Coolermaster case.
    On all cases of any brand...always remove the exit fan guard (on most cases this give up to 70% more airflow).

    Get a better MB...DFI.
    The ones for Duo2 come with 6 stage digital voltage regulator system ( a DFI 1st ) like in a large server. All the chipset heatsinks are pure copper. DFI uses the best caps of any MB company.

    As for the PSU spend the extra money and get a PC P&C. The 510 puts out a constant 34 amp/12 volt (38 surge) and does so at double the operating temps of all other PSU's....PC P&C also has better regulation than all others. I always get higher OC's and at lower temps with these PSU's as I never have to RAISE voltage like with all the rest.

    EDIT: Forget that HD and get one of the new Seagate 7200.10's (200-750GB sizes). The read faster than a Raptor,run cooler,have 5 yr warrenty...and cost alot less (will offset the price if the PC P&C PSU!).
  7. Many thank all of you for your answers.

    Concerning my pc on my desk, here a pic of my set-up:



    I really like it that way. CD charching and usb plugging are just at the right height.

    I dont need a second HD for my pc because i'm keeping my old one just for that.

    I have check the cooler master cases. The Mystique case look great but sadly, the ports are on the top. But those two have catch my eyes:

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811119098

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811119110

    Are they good ones? They are not over the top on the visual side but i prefer to play safe and buy a good case over a good looking one. Cant always have all you want i guess.

    Nice advice for the HD and the PSU, i will probably go for those one


    Edit:This case..any good? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811146025
  8. As far as cases go I have been looking at quite a few lately since I am also going to be building a new pc sometime in the future. Granted I am going for a full tower case just for the extra room, but you should check out the Amour Jr. case by Thermaltake seen here:

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811133016

    Of course it depends on how much money you have to spend since this is a pretty expensive case but it is all aluminimum which is good for cooling and it has a all mesh from for great airflow into the front of the case. They have models with and without a side window, and from what I have read are pretty good cases in general. It kind of exudes "gaming" with out being overly gaudy. But again it depends on how much you have to spend I am personally thinking of getting the Armor which is a full tower case. Well never mind I just read the dimensions and it is to tall for you an also has top usb ports.
  9. Quote:
    Hi everybody, i'm a pc gamer addict and my old comp (more then 4 years old 8O ) is near retirement. By the end of the year, i will buy a new one.

    I'm looking for a case that "scream" gaming when you look at it but, it must also have a great air flow and have room to fit all the parts.

    Because of my pc desk and the way i sit my pc on it, the case cannot exceed 18" high and cannot have top usb and audio ports.

    just a exemple of what i talk when i say scream gaming:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowImage.asp?Image=11%2D146%2D002%2D20%2Ejpg%2C11%2D146%2D002%2D19%2Ejpg%2C11%2D146%2D002%2D10%2Ejpg%2C11%2D146%2D002%2D14%2EJPG%2C11%2D146%2D002%2D11%2EJPG%2C11%2D146%2D002%2D12%2EJPG%2C11%2D146%2D002%2D21%2Ejpg%2C11%2D146%2D002%2D22%2Ejpg%2C11%2D146%2D002%2D13%2EJPG%2C11%2D146%2D002%2D16%2EJPG%2C11%2D146%2D002%2D17%2EJPG%2C11%2D146%2D002%2D23%2Ejpg%2C11%2D146%2D002%2D24%2Ejpg&CurImage=11%2D146%2D002%2D20%2Ejpg&Description=NZXT+GUARDIAN+BLK+Black+SECC+STEEL+ATX+Mid+Tower+Computer+Case+400+WATT+PS2+ATX+12V+Power+Supply+%2D+Retail

    Here the spec of my future pc:

    CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo E6600
    Motherboard: ASUS with SLI capacity (not fix yet)
    Memory: 2GB (2x1024MB) (not fix yet, something fast)
    Video: 2 BFG GeForce 7900GTX 512MB (SLI)
    Hard Drive 1: Western Digital WD1500ADFD 150GB 10000RPM 16MB SATA
    DVD/CD writer: LG DVD+/-RW 16X (not fix yet)
    Audio: not sure, probably stick with on-board

    I have been looking over the net for some times and each time i think i have found a cool case, i always found bad or contradicting reviews for it. So, i'm waiting for you guys to point me some cases that will fit my needs.

    On a side note, how big my PSU must be for everything to work fine?


    The case looks nice but it is not good to keep the parts inside cool.
    Get a Coolermaster case.
    On all cases of any brand...always remove the exit fan guard (on most cases this give up to 70% more airflow).

    Get a better MB...DFI.
    The ones for Duo2 come with 6 stage digital voltage regulator system ( a DFI 1st ) like in a large server. All the chipset heatsinks are pure copper. DFI uses the best caps of any MB company.

    As for the PSU spend the extra money and get a PC P&C. The 510 puts out a constant 34 amp/12 volt (38 surge) and does so at double the operating temps of all other PSU's....PC P&C also has better regulation than all others. I always get higher OC's and at lower temps with these PSU's as I never have to RAISE voltage like with all the rest.

    EDIT: Forget that HD and get one of the new Seagate 7200.10's (200-750GB sizes). The read faster than a Raptor,run cooler,have 5 yr warrenty...and cost alot less (will offset the price if the PC P&C PSU!).

    After looking around I couldn't even find a DFI board that supports SLI. I'm not saying they don't exist but if I'm having this much trouble finding one imagine the trouble "_BMF_" will go through to find one.

    DFI uses best caps? I think THIS motherboard has the best caps available. Although I will note I don't know much of the pure tachnology that makes a motherboard work, but to me it seems that solid caps are alot better than those other 'cheap' looking ones. (That motherboard doesn't support SLI just so you know.)

    Now that power supply is the 'best' brand, and it is an amazing power supply. But it's OVERKILL, and in his comp, a waste of money! (Unless he plans to do some extremely heavy overclocking) It sounds like your, more or less, telling him what to buy instead of suggesting.

    Coolermaster is a good brand. But he doesn't have to get coolermaster. If you read his post he wants a 'screaming' gaming case and I know coolermaster can't fit that bill. remove the fan guard on the back of the case? Most coolermasters fan guards are part of the case so are you suggesting cuting it out? 70% better airflow sounds like a number you just made up.

    And finally your harddrive recommendation... Fine, the Seagate drive might read faster, but, it's the access times that make a raptor a raptor. And WD's raptors also have a 5 year warranty, so does WD RE drives.

    PC Power and cooling 510 for 199.99
    Seagate 7200.10 400gb for 204.99

    -VS-

    OCZ Gamexstream 600watt quad 18a 12v rails active PFC for 124.99
    WD Raptor 150gb sata150 16mb 10k rpm for 234.99

    With the OCZ PSU he quad 12v rails, wich even the PC Power and Cooling doesn't have. OCZ has active PFC, non-modular (that keeps efficiency higher) and it looks cool and runs quiet. I'm a not saying that the OCZ power supply is better than the PC power and cooling, but it's definietely better bang for the buck. Especially since it also pulls more power for almost half the cost. Oh and with the raptor instead of the Seagate he will get faster load tmes in games, faster boot times, and he will save nearly 75$ with MIR. I don't see the price leveling out.

    I'm not trying to insult seeing as everyone appreciates input, but your recommending parts for a high end, high stress system. Yes he has SLI and he will need beefy components to run everything smooth but it is overkill. Just because you believe it's the best buy doesn't make it the best buy.

    Ultimately people are here to give these builders advice, everything that anyone recommends should be researched by the original builder and for him to ultimately make up his mind. Instead of recommending the best most robust components (which is easy to do) recommend what would be best for the builder, and make his dollar go as far as it can.

    EDIT: I just realised we arguing when this guy never asked for any advice for his build. :lol:
  10. Again, thanks for all those advises. I really appreciate all your comments on my future build even if i didn't ask for it. That would have been my next post on this forum anyway so, keep on with the infos.

    As for my apparent lack of knowlege in the way of the pc, i'm must admit that i'm not that good. Furthermore, since my comp is so old, (still stuck with AGP video card :oops: ) this past few years, i have spend less and less time looking at what new on the market to prevent any frustation of seeing all the new goodness without the financial power to buy them.

    Here, for your amusment, the original spec of my pc way back to 14 of june 2002:

    CPU: AMD Athlon 2100 XP
    Motherboard: ASUS A7V333 Raid
    Memory: 512MB of DDR 333
    Video: ASUS GeForce 4 TI 4400 128MB AGP
    Hard Drive: 2X IBM 40 GB 72000 (raid)
    DVD/CD writer: ASUS X50 CD drive, a bit later, a LG CD+/-RW
    Audio: on board
    PSU: 300W

    At the start the this year, i have double the memory up to 1GB and i have change the video card to a BFG GeForce 6600GT 128MB AGP.

    As you can see, i'm still waiting to enter in the world of the DVD drive and PCI-Express. 8O

    So, i'm nearly counting the days before i can get my new comp (still have to wait for the end of the year...unless i stole a bank... :twisted: )

    I'm not really on a budget, aiming to spend at least 2000$ CAN on my pc but if i can save a bit by buying what's best for me as oppose of what's THE best, i wont say no.

    As for the original topic of my post, the case, since i will spend quite a bit on my pc, if i have to do, i will sacrifice look over performance.

    Speaking of case, i humbly ask you again, what about this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811146025

    There a lots of positive reviews for this one (if you check all the colors) on newegg but the fact is, i dont know how much i can rely on those reviews since most of them have been written less than a week afther delivery.
  11. Quote:
    Hi everybody, i'm a pc gamer addict and my old comp (more then 4 years old 8O ) is near retirement. By the end of the year, i will buy a new one.

    I'm looking for a case that "scream" gaming when you look at it but, it must also have a great air flow and have room to fit all the parts.

    Because of my pc desk and the way i sit my pc on it, the case cannot exceed 18" high and cannot have top usb and audio ports.

    just a exemple of what i talk when i say scream gaming:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowImage.asp?Image=11%2D146%2D002%2D20%2Ejpg%2C11%2D146%2D002%2D19%2Ejpg%2C11%2D146%2D002%2D10%2Ejpg%2C11%2D146%2D002%2D14%2EJPG%2C11%2D146%2D002%2D11%2EJPG%2C11%2D146%2D002%2D12%2EJPG%2C11%2D146%2D002%2D21%2Ejpg%2C11%2D146%2D002%2D22%2Ejpg%2C11%2D146%2D002%2D13%2EJPG%2C11%2D146%2D002%2D16%2EJPG%2C11%2D146%2D002%2D17%2EJPG%2C11%2D146%2D002%2D23%2Ejpg%2C11%2D146%2D002%2D24%2Ejpg&CurImage=11%2D146%2D002%2D20%2Ejpg&Description=NZXT+GUARDIAN+BLK+Black+SECC+STEEL+ATX+Mid+Tower+Computer+Case+400+WATT+PS2+ATX+12V+Power+Supply+%2D+Retail

    Here the spec of my future pc:

    CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo E6600
    Motherboard: ASUS with SLI capacity (not fix yet)
    Memory: 2GB (2x1024MB) (not fix yet, something fast)
    Video: 2 BFG GeForce 7900GTX 512MB (SLI)
    Hard Drive 1: Western Digital WD1500ADFD 150GB 10000RPM 16MB SATA
    DVD/CD writer: LG DVD+/-RW 16X (not fix yet)
    Audio: not sure, probably stick with on-board

    I have been looking over the net for some times and each time i think i have found a cool case, i always found bad or contradicting reviews for it. So, i'm waiting for you guys to point me some cases that will fit my needs.

    On a side note, how big my PSU must be for everything to work fine?


    The case looks nice but it is not good to keep the parts inside cool.
    Get a Coolermaster case.
    On all cases of any brand...always remove the exit fan guard (on most cases this give up to 70% more airflow).

    Get a better MB...DFI.
    The ones for Duo2 come with 6 stage digital voltage regulator system ( a DFI 1st ) like in a large server. All the chipset heatsinks are pure copper. DFI uses the best caps of any MB company.

    As for the PSU spend the extra money and get a PC P&C. The 510 puts out a constant 34 amp/12 volt (38 surge) and does so at double the operating temps of all other PSU's....PC P&C also has better regulation than all others. I always get higher OC's and at lower temps with these PSU's as I never have to RAISE voltage like with all the rest.

    EDIT: Forget that HD and get one of the new Seagate 7200.10's (200-750GB sizes). The read faster than a Raptor,run cooler,have 5 yr warrenty...and cost alot less (will offset the price if the PC P&C PSU!).

    After looking around I couldn't even find a DFI board that supports SLI. I'm not saying they don't exist but if I'm having this much trouble finding one imagine the trouble "_BMF_" will go through to find one.

    DFI uses best caps? I think THIS motherboard has the best caps available. Although I will note I don't know much of the pure tachnology that makes a motherboard work, but to me it seems that solid caps are alot better than those other 'cheap' looking ones. (That motherboard doesn't support SLI just so you know.)

    Now that power supply is the 'best' brand, and it is an amazing power supply. But it's OVERKILL, and in his comp, a waste of money! (Unless he plans to do some extremely heavy overclocking) It sounds like your, more or less, telling him what to buy instead of suggesting.

    Coolermaster is a good brand. But he doesn't have to get coolermaster. If you read his post he wants a 'screaming' gaming case and I know coolermaster can't fit that bill. remove the fan guard on the back of the case? Most coolermasters fan guards are part of the case so are you suggesting cuting it out? 70% better airflow sounds like a number you just made up.

    And finally your harddrive recommendation... Fine, the Seagate drive might read faster, but, it's the access times that make a raptor a raptor. And WD's raptors also have a 5 year warranty, so does WD RE drives.

    PC Power and cooling 510 for 199.99
    Seagate 7200.10 400gb for 204.99

    -VS-

    OCZ Gamexstream 600watt quad 18a 12v rails active PFC for 124.99
    WD Raptor 150gb sata150 16mb 10k rpm for 234.99

    With the OCZ PSU he quad 12v rails, wich even the PC Power and Cooling doesn't have. OCZ has active PFC, non-modular (that keeps efficiency higher) and it looks cool and runs quiet. I'm a not saying that the OCZ power supply is better than the PC power and cooling, but it's definietely better bang for the buck. Especially since it also pulls more power for almost half the cost. Oh and with the raptor instead of the Seagate he will get faster load tmes in games, faster boot times, and he will save nearly 75$ with MIR. I don't see the price leveling out.

    I'm not trying to insult seeing as everyone appreciates input, but your recommending parts for a high end, high stress system. Yes he has SLI and he will need beefy components to run everything smooth but it is overkill. Just because you believe it's the best buy doesn't make it the best buy.

    Ultimately people are here to give these builders advice, everything that anyone recommends should be researched by the original builder and for him to ultimately make up his mind. Instead of recommending the best most robust components (which is easy to do) recommend what would be best for the builder, and make his dollar go as far as it can.

    EDIT: I just realised we arguing when this guy never asked for any advice for his build. :lol:

    70% is just a BS figure. I understand you've got turbulence but when only 5% of the space available for airflow is grille then I think we've got someone who's been smoking too much wacky tabacky.

    Capacitors are supplied to Asus, DFI, MSI, Gigabyte, Intel and so on by a company who satisfies their requirements but also supplies the caps at the lowest cost. So while one DFI board may use great caps the next generation of DFI boards might have really bad caps. If you buy any board from one of the big manufacturers you can be 95% sure you're getting a decent board.
  12. Cases are pretty personal.

    If airflow/ease of use is top priority I like the Thermaltake Armor (~200) .

    If you are more concerned about aesthetics (but still demand a high performance case) the Lian Li PC-V1200 is worth considering albeit a tad more expensive (~250).

    They may be a bit big for you, but I'd pop the case on the floor anyway. Less chance of it getting killed when The Big One hits. (It's coming...)
  13. Quote:
    Again, thanks for all those advises. I really appreciate all your comments on my future build even if i didn't ask for it. That would have been my next post on this forum anyway so, keep on with the infos.

    As for my apparent lack of knowlege in the way of the pc, i'm must admit that i'm not that good. Furthermore, since my comp is so old, (still stuck with AGP video card :oops: ) this past few years, i have spend less and less time looking at what new on the market to prevent any frustation of seeing all the new goodness without the financial power to buy them.

    Here, for your amusment, the original spec of my pc way back to 14 of june 2002:

    CPU: AMD Athlon 2100 XP
    Motherboard: ASUS A7V333 Raid
    Memory: 512MB of DDR 333
    Video: ASUS GeForce 4 TI 4400 128MB AGP
    Hard Drive: 2X IBM 40 GB 72000 (raid)
    DVD/CD writer: ASUS X50 CD drive, a bit later, a LG CD+/-RW
    Audio: on board
    PSU: 300W

    At the start the this year, i have double the memory up to 1GB and i have change the video card to a BFG GeForce 6600GT 128MB AGP.

    As you can see, i'm still waiting to enter in the world of the DVD drive and PCI-Express. 8O

    So, i'm nearly counting the days before i can get my new comp (still have to wait for the end of the year...unless i stole a bank... :twisted: )

    I'm not really on a budget, aiming to spend at least 2000$ CAN on my pc but if i can save a bit by buying what's best for me as oppose of what's THE best, i wont say no.

    As for the original topic of my post, the case, since i will spend quite a bit on my pc, if i have to do, i will sacrifice look over performance.

    Speaking of case, i humbly ask you again, what about this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811146025

    There a lots of positive reviews for this one (if you check all the colors) on newegg but the fact is, i dont know how much i can rely on those reviews since most of them have been written less than a week afther delivery.


    Check out this one: Transformer

    Here is it's manufacturer site: Sunbeam

    There are some more pics and spcifications and also some links for reviews from hardware sites.

    If you speak portuguese (which I find really improbable), there's a brazilian site that did review it and gave it a high score (was the most important hw site in Brasil).
  14. If you want a sweet looking case go with NXZT Lexa. I hear it isnt the sturdiest case but it by far has the looks and it is very light. it also comes with a custom lan bag that fits around the case and doesnt scratch the paint so you can take it to a lan party or friends house with ease.
  15. thanks for the suggeston for the Transformer (who look very great) and the Lexa (who look very good) but, sadly, those to case are to high for my set-up.

    I just find this case: the AeroEngine JR (cant link it directly) http://www.aerocool.de/. Look cool and should have great air flow but the only review i have found is in german. It's not offer in newegg, did some of you know if this case is good?
  16. Quote:
    thanks for the suggeston for the Transformer (who look very great) and the Lexa (who look very good) but, sadly, those to case are to high for my set-up.

    I just find this case: the AeroEngine JR (cant link it directly) http://www.aerocool.de/. Look cool and should have great air flow but the only review i have found is in german. It's not offer in newegg, did some of you know if this case is good?


    Well,, this one reminds the AeroEngine JR: XClio

    THis one also looks interesting: XG Viper
  17. For a good looking case with EXCELLENT airflow. Anything thermaltake screams "Gaming, Quality and Cool"

    My favorite is the ThermalTake Armor. It has excellent airflow. I went from 34(CPU), 44(Chipset), and 59(GPU) IDLE on my Old case, Antec something not even sure anymore what it was. It dropped down to 28, 39/40, 54 in my new case. All from the side fan, I bought the Thermaltake Armor with the side fan( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811133021 ). Its extremely quiet too. alot quiter than my old case. In my experience I have always had good luck with thermaltake and they are my favorite.

    Now add watercooling to the equation and you have yourself a kickass looking case and setup :)
  18. Quote:
    Again, thanks for all those advises. I really appreciate all your comments on my future build even if i didn't ask for it. That would have been my next post on this forum anyway so, keep on with the infos.

    As for my apparent lack of knowlege in the way of the pc, i'm must admit that i'm not that good. Furthermore, since my comp is so old, (still stuck with AGP video card :oops: ) this past few years, i have spend less and less time looking at what new on the market to prevent any frustation of seeing all the new goodness without the financial power to buy them.

    Here, for your amusment, the original spec of my pc way back to 14 of june 2002:

    CPU: AMD Athlon 2100 XP
    Motherboard: ASUS A7V333 Raid
    Memory: 512MB of DDR 333
    Video: ASUS GeForce 4 TI 4400 128MB AGP
    Hard Drive: 2X IBM 40 GB 72000 (raid)
    DVD/CD writer: ASUS X50 CD drive, a bit later, a LG CD+/-RW
    Audio: on board
    PSU: 300W

    At the start the this year, i have double the memory up to 1GB and i have change the video card to a BFG GeForce 6600GT 128MB AGP.

    As you can see, i'm still waiting to enter in the world of the DVD drive and PCI-Express. 8O

    So, i'm nearly counting the days before i can get my new comp (still have to wait for the end of the year...unless i stole a bank... :twisted: )

    I'm not really on a budget, aiming to spend at least 2000$ CAN on my pc but if i can save a bit by buying what's best for me as oppose of what's THE best, i wont say no.

    As for the original topic of my post, the case, since i will spend quite a bit on my pc, if i have to do, i will sacrifice look over performance.

    Speaking of case, i humbly ask you again, what about this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811146025

    There a lots of positive reviews for this one (if you check all the colors) on newegg but the fact is, i dont know how much i can rely on those reviews since most of them have been written less than a week afther delivery.



    Your welcome :)

    Well if you are going to buy your computer at the end of the year I think it's to early to make a final decision on your hardware. If you plan to move to Vista as soon as it comes out (bad idea unless you have dual boot) then for a 2000$ I would get 4gb of ram, I'm sure vista can use it all up. And 4gb of ram isn't a heavy investment either.

    Also don't bother spending too much on a videocard and save up for a DX10 card when they come out (If they aren't out by the time you buy your computer). Alot of people seeing buy first gen videocards is a bad idea... but I don't see how. If it's faster, and offers more features without any wide known catastrophic issue, I say get DX10 when it comes out. Chances are those cards will be alot faster. The 7900gt comes to mind.

    Also unless AMD pulls a rabit out of the hat, for a high performance computer you just have to get C2D. Just as yourself recommended.


    As far as your case issue is concerned. Have you ever considered building/getting a new place to set your computer? That shelf doesn't look very sturdy in the first place. And your limiting yourself WAY to much but sticking under 18" Any case that isn't the plain rectangle shape wont fit inbetween those shelves. So it doesn't seem to me you will be able to get what you need.

    -That case you did pick out doesn't strike me as appealing but as I already mentioned I like more elegant cases. So it's hard for me to give an honost opinion, but it looks alright. It's steel so it will hold in heat more than aluminum and it will be heaver. Also that door looks like it's not going to be able to hold any drives that are not flush with the case (the creative audio drive bays come to mind). And the cooling system looks skewed. It doesn't say it has a front instake fan but I think it does. but even then you have a small, weeker 80mm pulling air through the front, plus a 120mm on the side, hopefully, also pulling air in and the rear fan pushes air out. The closer you can match the CFM on intake and exhaust, and the higher that number is, the better the cooling you have. Example, that case would be good if you have a 20cfm intake 80mm fan and 120mm intake was 40cfm, and the rear exhausted 60cfm so you have the same amount of moving air going in and coming out. Don't forget when your looking for fans to make sure noise levels are as low as possible. (I would say stick under 30db, under 20db for a silent case)


    EDIT: Actually it looks like that case does only have 120mm. Hmm, your harddrive is going to get super hot. I would try to stick with a case that has in intake fan at the front of the case.
  19. Quote:
    Many thank all of you for your answers.

    Concerning my pc on my desk, here a pic of my set-up:



    I really like it that way. CD charching and usb plugging are just at the right height.

    I dont need a second HD for my pc because i'm keeping my old one just for that.

    I have check the cooler master cases. The Mystique case look great but sadly, the ports are on the top. But those two have catch my eyes:

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811119098

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811119110

    Are they good ones? They are not over the top on the visual side but i prefer to play safe and buy a good case over a good looking one. Cant always have all you want i guess.

    Nice advice for the HD and the PSU, i will probably go for those one


    Edit:This case..any good? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811146025


    Just man up and take down that stupid shelf. Sorry to say, but its gimping your possibiliites.
  20. Tanks again for the advise.

    Ok, lets clear something once an for all. I will keep my desk the way it is, with the top shelf. It's a nothing to do with "maning up", i'm old enought to make my own decisions. I like it that way, simple as that. I have this sept-up for more then five years and i like it. Like i said, i can do usb plugging and cd swaping just by extanding my arm...and i like it. I have consider removing the top shelf but i reject this option because the way it's fix to the desk

    I put my comp up there for others reasons. First, up there, the're much less dust and hairs. One would say: "clean up your room more often" but since i'm a pc game addict, well...i skip on that from time to time :wink: . Up there, they are no risk of accidental kiking on the comp while siting at the desk. And last but not least, i have two siamese cats, (who generates hairs) and are destructive enought to threaten my comp. If it was on the ground, my cats could eat the cables and i bet they would be capable of making it fall on the side. The side of the shelf protect my comp from falling off and the top is also use by my cats has stepping stone. Without it, i'm sure they would just jump strait at the top of my comp.

    And dont even think about telling me to get rid of my cats! :D

    Now, i have made my choice and i will go with the NZXT Apollo. I have read six reviews on six different sites (excluding neweeg) and they are all good. On tree of those sites, they even have bechmark the cooling of the case and it lool ok: http://techgage.com/article/nzxt_apollo/5 http://www.bigbruin.com/2006/nzxtapollo_4 http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/nzxt_apollocase_4.php

    The case come with two 120mm fans, one on the rear, one on the side. There is a space for another 120mm fan in the front but it dont come with it.

    I like the look of the case, it's size fit my damn desk, ports are not on the tops and it can have tree nice 120mm fans.

    I dont like the way the front intake is made; there just a little opening at the bottom front. But, i will take care of that. I have a nice dremell tool and i will use it to create new entry for air, if it's physically possible. Another thing i want to do is to put a 120mm fan on the top, if possible, or a 80mm if the 120 dont fit well.

    Concerning my future pc, if i buy it right now, it would cost me more then 2600$ CAN with taxes. So, i hope that by the end of the year, it will have go down at my 2000$ price tag.


    On a final note, what are those DX10 graphic cards youre talking about? What make them so great?
  21. OK, i don't know if this case fits your definition of "screams" gaming but i think it looks pretty cool. It is also very functioal and cools great with that 25cm fan pushing 160cfm.

    aerocool extreme engine 3t

    It also fits your size so i think it would be perfect for you. :wink:
  22. Quote:
    Tanks again for the advise.

    Ok, lets clear something once an for all. I will keep my desk the way it is, with the top shelf. It's a nothing to do with "maning up", i'm old enought to make my own decisions. I like it that way, simple as that. I have this sept-up for more then five years and i like it. Like i said, i can do usb plugging and cd swaping just by extanding my arm...and i like it. I have consider removing the top shelf but i reject this option because the way it's fix to the desk

    I put my comp up there for others reasons. First, up there, the're much less dust and hairs. One would say: "clean up your room more often" but since i'm a pc game addict, well...i skip on that from time to time :wink: . Up there, they are no risk of accidental kiking on the comp while siting at the desk. And last but not least, i have two siamese cats, (who generates hairs) and are destructive enought to threaten my comp. If it was on the ground, my cats could eat the cables and i bet they would be capable of making it fall on the side. The side of the shelf protect my comp from falling off and the top is also use by my cats has stepping stone. Without it, i'm sure they would just jump strait at the top of my comp.

    And dont even think about telling me to get rid of my cats! :D

    Now, i have made my choice and i will go with the NZXT Apollo. I have read six reviews on six different sites (excluding neweeg) and they are all good. On tree of those sites, they even have bechmark the cooling of the case and it lool ok: http://techgage.com/article/nzxt_apollo/5 http://www.bigbruin.com/2006/nzxtapollo_4 http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/nzxt_apollocase_4.php

    The case come with two 120mm fans, one on the rear, one on the side. There is a space for another 120mm fan in the front but it dont come with it.

    I like the look of the case, it's size fit my damn desk, ports are not on the tops and it can have tree nice 120mm fans.

    I dont like the way the front intake is made; there just a little opening at the bottom front. But, i will take care of that. I have a nice dremell tool and i will use it to create new entry for air, if it's physically possible. Another thing i want to do is to put a 120mm fan on the top, if possible, or a 80mm if the 120 dont fit well.

    Concerning my future pc, if i buy it right now, it would cost me more then 2600$ CAN with taxes. So, i hope that by the end of the year, it will have go down at my 2000$ price tag.


    On a final note, what are those DX10 graphic cards youre talking about? What make them so great?


    Sorry if I came onto you a little strong about the shelf thing. It is your decision and I was only trying to make a suggestion. however, I also have a cat and I know what they are capable of. Seeing as my computer is on a desk in the corner of my room with my computer sitting in the corner of the desk it's pretty much out of harms way from my feline friend.

    The big difference from DX10 from any other DX iteration is the fact that DX10 is only supported by Windows Vista. Windows XP will never, as far as I know, support DX10. Also DX10 adds a new pipeline to graphics cards. Geomotry pipelines. Although rumour has it that ATI will used unified pipelines (pipelines that can automatically change what kind of process they are programed to do, such as a pixel, shader, or geomotry pipeline.) and Nvidia will stick with the 'old' way of having individual pipelines dedicated for individual tasks. Although it's still to early to say exactly what will happen with DX10 as far as gaming developers, game support, and backwards compatability efficiency are concerned, I personally believe it's better to wait it out. But do some research for yourself, there is alot of material on the web about DX10. In the end, it is your decision. Although the 7900gt is a great card, if you want premium performance, you are better off getting the 7900gtx sli. But I recommend you only get one card, one once we get a better idea of what DX10 has to offer you can decide to get a second one for SLI.

    I'm also glad that the case you are getting does have an available spot for a 120mm intake fan (even though I'm stupid enough to miss it). Although NZXT didn't say anything about that extra place for the fan, neither did newegg. But whether I was right or wrong is irrelevant, at least it has it in the end. And to hear your going to add a 120mm blowhole on the case is even better. 2x120mm intake and 2x 120mm exhaust, and especially having one on top will decrease your case temps at least a few more degrees. Good plan.

    But remember to keep your options open for hardware changes until you make a final purchasing decision.

    Good luck :)
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