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August 29, 2006 5:51:38 AM

Time to upgrade, I think i've put together a pretty good system but i'd just like someone to take a look and make sure it'll all work. Please feel free to make different recommendations. It will be mostly used for work, using Photoshop, multiple instances of Visual Studio, SQL Server, etc. but also for some DVD ripping / burning.

I don't know much about video cards, and i'm not going to do much if any gaming, so that's why I chose the one below. Please let me know if there is a better choice. I'm trying to keep the total system cost under $750 and right now its at about $725 after shipping.

ASUS M2N-E Socket AM2 NVIDIA nForce 570 Ultra MCP ATX AMD Motherboard - $92.99

AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200+ Windsor 2000MHz HT 2 x 512KB L2 Cache Socket AM2 Dual Core Processor - $187

Thermaltake Tsunami VA3000BWA Black Aluminum ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - $85.99

Thermaltake TR2 W0070 ATX 430W Power Supply 115/230 V - $29.99

SAPPHIRE Advantage 100562L-GN Radeon 9600PRO 256MB 128-bit DDR AGP 4X/8X Video Card - $56.99

pqi TURBO 1GB (2 x 512MB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM Unbuffered DDR2 667 (PC2 5400) Dual Channel Kit System Memory - $75.99

Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3320620AS (Perpendicular Recording Technology) 320GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - $94.99

ZALMAN CNPS 9500 AM2 2 Ball Green LED Light CPU Cooling Fan/Heatsink - $63.99
August 29, 2006 5:57:44 AM

A photoshop user that only wants 1GB of ram....

Since you arent going to OC ditch the cooler and buy anoher GB of RAM.
August 29, 2006 6:05:07 AM

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A photoshop user that only wants 1GB of ram....

Since you arent going to OC ditch the cooler and buy anoher GB of RAM.


I couldn't find many heatsink & fans that were rated for that type CPU, can you recommend a cheaper one that will work ok?
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August 29, 2006 6:44:32 AM

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I couldn't find many heatsink & fans that were rated for that type CPU, can you recommend a cheaper one that will work ok?



How about the stock cooler if you're not planning on doing heavy overclocking? It's comes free with that cpu!
August 29, 2006 6:53:39 AM

You might want to check your graphics card for that board :) 
August 29, 2006 7:26:25 AM

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How about the stock cooler if you're not planning on doing heavy overclocking? It's comes free with that cpu!

Exactly! Cant get much cheaper than free ^.^
Plus if you arent going to OC there is no sense voiding your CPU warranty by using an aftermarket cooler.
August 29, 2006 7:33:51 AM

Yes, you're rigth.
He chose an AGP card on a PCI-Express only motherboard.

How about a Radeon X1300 or nVidia 7300/6200?
Also, I agree with not buying that cooler. Use the stock one. And buy more RAM instead.
August 29, 2006 1:02:26 PM

I didn't know the CPU came with one, but since it does I guess there is no reason to buy one. Thanks for the tip!

Doh! I could've sworn my filter on NewEgg had PCI x16... How 'bout this card?

PNY VCG66256XPB Geforce 6600 256MB 128-bit DDR PCI Express x16 Video Card

For the ram, it seems like its hit or miss. A lot of reviews either say that its great or that it doesn't work. Anyone had this kind?

pqi TURBO 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM Unbuffered DDR2 667 (PC2 5400) Dual Channel Kit System Memory
August 29, 2006 3:35:48 PM

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Time to upgrade, I think i've put together a pretty good system but i'd just like someone to take a look and make sure it'll all work. Please feel free to make different recommendations. It will be mostly used for work, using Photoshop, multiple instances of Visual Studio, SQL Server, etc. but also for some DVD ripping / burning.

I don't know much about video cards, and i'm not going to do much if any gaming, so that's why I chose the one below. Please let me know if there is a better choice. I'm trying to keep the total system cost under $750 and right now its at about $725 after shipping.

ASUS M2N-E Socket AM2 NVIDIA nForce 570 Ultra MCP ATX AMD Motherboard - $92.99

AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200+ Windsor 2000MHz HT 2 x 512KB L2 Cache Socket AM2 Dual Core Processor - $187

Thermaltake Tsunami VA3000BWA Black Aluminum ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - $85.99

Thermaltake TR2 W0070 ATX 430W Power Supply 115/230 V - $29.99

SAPPHIRE Advantage 100562L-GN Radeon 9600PRO 256MB 128-bit DDR AGP 4X/8X Video Card - $56.99

pqi TURBO 1GB (2 x 512MB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM Unbuffered DDR2 667 (PC2 5400) Dual Channel Kit System Memory - $75.99

Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3320620AS (Perpendicular Recording Technology) 320GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - $94.99

ZALMAN CNPS 9500 AM2 2 Ball Green LED Light CPU Cooling Fan/Heatsink - $63.99


You can do much better on the CPU and motherboard for around the same price.

Intel Core 2 Duo E6300 for $193USD
Gigabyte GA-965P-S3 Socket T (LGA 775) Intel P965 Express Motherboard for $124USD
pqi POWER Series 1GB (2 x 512MB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 667 (PC2 5400) Dual Channel Kit System Memory $81USD
or if you want to go 2GB then..
G.SKILL 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 667 (PC2 5400) Dual Channel Kit System Memory $156USD

This would give you performance above an AMD Athlon64 X2 4600+ and a platform that is far more stable and has a known longer lifespan. Also Core 2's make better SQL servers as well as performing much better under Virtualisation due to imbeded Intel VT Technology. It's just an all around better CPU. On a side note you can downgrade the ram to PC2 5400 as well seeing as Core 2 Duo's do not need super PC2 6400 memory in order to perform to there fullest.

It makes absolutely no sense to go AMD for your needs.
August 29, 2006 5:31:33 PM

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You can do much better on the CPU and motherboard for around the same price.

Intel Core 2 Duo E6300 for $193USD
Gigabyte GA-965P-S3 Socket T (LGA 775) Intel P965 Express Motherboard for $124USD
pqi POWER Series 1GB (2 x 512MB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 667 (PC2 5400) Dual Channel Kit System Memory $81USD
or if you want to go 2GB then..
G.SKILL 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 667 (PC2 5400) Dual Channel Kit System Memory $156USD

This would give you performance above an AMD Athlon64 X2 4600+ and a platform that is far more stable and has a known longer lifespan. Also Core 2's make better SQL servers as well as performing much better under Virtualisation due to imbeded Intel VT Technology. It's just an all around better CPU. On a side note you can downgrade the ram to PC2 5400 as well seeing as Core 2 Duo's do not need super PC2 6400 memory in order to perform to there fullest.

It makes absolutely no sense to go AMD for your needs.


I looked into this a bit. It seems like for a little more, the Gigabyte GA-965P-DS3 Socket T (LGA 775) Intel P965 Express ATX Intel Motherboard board might be better. This setup would be a similar price. Anyone else have comments on this? I have heard that these processors also run pretty hot, would I need a aftermarket cooler as well?
August 29, 2006 6:00:17 PM

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You can do much better on the CPU and motherboard for around the same price.

Intel Core 2 Duo E6300 for


I looked into this a bit. It seems like for a little more, the Gigabyte GA-965P-DS3 Socket T (LGA 775) Intel P965 Express ATX Intel Motherboard board might be better. This setup would be a similar price. Anyone else have comments on this? I have heard that these processors also run pretty hot, would I need a aftermarket cooler as well?

Where on earth have you heard that these processors run pretty hot?? They are the coolest modern processors available, and have excellent overclocking capability.
August 29, 2006 6:19:57 PM

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You can do much better on the CPU and motherboard for around the same price.

Intel Core 2 Duo E6300 for


I looked into this a bit. It seems like for a little more, the Gigabyte GA-965P-DS3 Socket T (LGA 775) Intel P965 Express ATX Intel Motherboard board might be better. This setup would be a similar price. Anyone else have comments on this? I have heard that these processors also run pretty hot, would I need a aftermarket cooler as well?

Where on earth have you heard that these processors run pretty hot?? They are the coolest modern processors available, and have excellent overclocking capability.

Reviews on newegg... so you agree i should go with this setup instead of AMD?
August 29, 2006 7:06:09 PM

Yeah, I agree with getting the Conroe, it is much better, especially in multimedia applications and multitasking. It'll last you a long time also. Just use the stock cooler with the Conroe also, should work fine.
August 29, 2006 7:45:15 PM

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Reviews on newegg... so you agree i should go with this setup instead of AMD?


I only saw one guy on there who claimed it was running hot. Even if it did run hot, which it doesn't, is what its performance is. If you would look at the reviews of the Core 2 Duo on the web, you would discover it is arguably the biggest performance jump in the history of x86 CPUs. Also, it is quite possible that an E6300 could be overclocked to perform 25% faster than an Athlon FX-62. It really is a no-brainer to go with the Core 2 duo.
August 29, 2006 7:51:37 PM

Hi,

the motherboard is least important, there is very little performance differences in the applications you've listed (~2%), which isn't noticeable in everyday use, even with older chipsets like 945P.

These boards are just fine and save you a little money to get a E6400 or another GB of RAM.

Gigabyte GA-945P-S3
ECS P965T-A
with integrated graphics:
Gigabyte GA-945GM-S2
Intel BOXD946GZISSL

if you want to play some recent games, get at least a 7300GT (bare mininum) or a 7600GS, not an older generation Card like the 9600, it won't do new games very well.

Christian
August 29, 2006 8:37:12 PM

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Hi,

the motherboard is least important, there is very little performance differences in the applications you've listed (~2%), which isn't noticeable in everyday use, even with older chipsets like 945P.

These boards are just fine and save you a little money to get a E6400 or another GB of RAM.

Gigabyte GA-945P-S3
ECS P965T-A
with integrated graphics:
Gigabyte GA-945GM-S2
Intel BOXD946GZISSL

if you want to play some recent games, get at least a 7300GT (bare mininum) or a 7600GS, not an older generation Card like the 9600, it won't do new games very well.

Christian


The only (important) caveat to that is that the motherboards do differ substantially in overclocking abilities - if overclocking is important to you. Again, looking at reviews on the hardware websites will provide advice about these issues.
August 29, 2006 9:16:11 PM

Hi,

yes you're right, they differ in overclocking potential.
But i would never overclock a system that is used for work.
Any Core2Duo is plenty fast for work purposes anyway.

Christian
August 30, 2006 1:10:23 PM

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if you want to play some recent games, get at least a 7300GT (bare mininum) or a 7600GS, not an older generation Card like the 9600, it won't do new games very well.
Christian
Yea a 7300gt is a good card for just the casual gamer like you say you will be. Just make sure you get the 128bit version and not a 64bit one since the prices between the two are not much different. 128bit 7300gt list from newegg.

The best card for the money is the x1600 Pro. Priced at $84USD (vs 76USD for a 7300GT 128bit) it totally dominates the 7300GT under all games save for the Doom3 engine based games (Doom3, Quake4, Chronicles of Riddick). So if you're playing such titles as Far Cry, Half Life 2, F.E.A.R, Oblivion (not recommended..lol), UT2004 and even racing sims the x1600Pro is the better card. Don't take my word for it..

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Of couse you also get better image quality (clearer, shaper image due to Higher Quality RAMDACS), AVIVO's Industry Leading Video Playback Quality, AVIVO's Hardware assisted Video Transcoding/Encoding and a few other perks.
August 30, 2006 7:02:47 PM

Check yourself on that power supply...Why invest 700 bucks in your rig and throw in a cheap powersupply like that.. Your pissing in the wind

Dont get my wrong Thermaltake makes great products, but your skimping on the most important part of your system



"Invest in the biggest powersupplies you can afford..It will save you headaches and downtime"
August 30, 2006 7:13:24 PM

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Check yourself on that power supply...Why invest 700 bucks in your rig and throw in a cheap powersupply like that.. Your pissing in the wind

Dont get my wrong Thermaltake makes great products, but your skimping on the most important part of your system



"Invest in the biggest powersupplies you can afford..It will save you headaches and downtime"


Yes, I read a bit about how important they are so I decided to go with this one instead, hopefully it'll do the job: APEVIA (ASPIRE) ATX-AS520W-BK ATX 520W Power Supply

I ordered everything today, went with the Core 2 Duo and the gigabyte mobo. Can't wait to get it all up and running!
August 30, 2006 8:29:27 PM

I agree with those questioning your choice of power supply. Since you are on a budget you may want to consider Antec's Sonata II case. It comes with a 450w Smart Power power supply and sells for about $100. Unless you plan to overclock the stock cpu fan will do the job, even with some overclocking. I would get that second gig of memory.
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