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August 29, 2006 4:09:10 PM

I need to buy video card and I am stuck between two cards, the 7900gt and the x1800xt. I believe that the 7900gt is better but I don't know if its worth $50 more, considering that dx10 will be out in a couple of months. I have thought about getting a 7600gt but I really dont want to get it because I probably wont be getting a dx10 card as soon as it comes out, (I will probably wait a few months to make sure no one is having any major problems with them) and I want a good card for gaming. BF2, COD2, and games coming out in the near future. I am also open to any other cards ya'll might suggest. Budget about $250.

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T_Bone

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August 29, 2006 4:27:09 PM

The 7900 GT is not better at stock speeds, in fact the X1800 XT is a bit better more often than not.

If you're an overclocker the 7900 GT offers a bit more headroom though. But at stock speeds I'd go for a cheaper 512mb X1800XT any day of the week.
August 29, 2006 4:44:18 PM

Go for the cheaper. In this case, the X1800XT is cheaper. You can't go wrong with either one.

Like the other guy said, X1800XT is little better than stock 7900GT, while the 7900GT is a better OCer.

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August 29, 2006 4:50:14 PM

Will the x1800xt be good for gaming till about March or April of '07? I would think so but I am just making sure.

T_Bone
August 29, 2006 4:58:08 PM

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Will the x1800xt be good for gaming till about March or April of '07? I would think so but I am just making sure.

T_Bone


It'll be good for gaming until around March/April '08.

I have a 9700pro (4 years old i think) that still games reasonably well today. You just have to put up with medium/low settings at 1024x768.
August 29, 2006 5:48:12 PM

I would either get the X1900GT for around $200 or get the X1900XT with a mail-in-rebate for around $280.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

I read the following from another forum and concur.

"If you buy the X1900GT, for a slight hit in performance (which can be made up with overclocking) you get a single slot card, that's a lot quieter and uses less power then the X1800 XT."

Personally, I would wait for DX10 to mature like you said but for 6 months or so and get the X1900XT. If you're looking to get a DX10 a little sooner, I'd save the 80 bucks and get the X1900GT.
August 29, 2006 5:51:54 PM

I dont think he's to concerned with the cooling solution.

Although single slot gives less headache for your expansion cards,
the X1800XT would still have the slight performance advantage.

7900GT has a nice amount of headroom, then again....so does the X1800 :twisted:
August 29, 2006 5:57:23 PM

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Will the x1800xt be good for gaming till about March or April of '07? I would think so but I am just making sure.

Yes. Will play games until games require Vista/DX10 to run. So you're safe probably until late '07.
August 29, 2006 6:47:09 PM

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I would either get the X1900GT for around $200


The X1900 GT might be a bit quieter and use a bit less power, but the X1800 XT will beat it in every gaming situation, for about the same price.
August 29, 2006 7:29:01 PM

Every situation? Them some mighty big words. Why don't you go to Tom's Hardware Interactive VGA Charts.

http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics.html

Hmm, the X1900GT beats the X1800XT at 1600x1200 with HDR on in Oblivion. Not by much, but it does.

http://www.pureoverclock.com/article36-4.html

I should of reread the original message where T_Bone wants to play COD2 and BF2.

If dual slot isn't a problem then go for the X1800XT over the X1900GT but looking at COD2 benchmarks, the 7900GT beats up even the X1800XT.

http://www.pureoverclock.com/article36-7.html

And for $25 more from Newegg for the Leadtek version, it'd be worth it.

Though for the price, I stand with what I said earlier, my first choice would be to get the X1900XT.

Btw, the X1800XT 256 MB version is cheaper than the 7900GT not the 512MB version which at Newegg is over a $110 more expensive.
August 29, 2006 8:19:27 PM

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Every situation? Them some mighty big words. Why don't you go to Tom's Hardware Interactive VGA Charts.


Lol. Why don't you try being rational? Tell me, when you hunted down the only benchmark where the X1900 GT comes close enough to the X1800 XT to try and prove your point, did you notice that the difference in FPS in your only example of X1900 GT superiority is within the margin of error (72 fps vs 70 fps. are you kidding?).

You also failed to mention that in COD2, the X1800 had a nice lead on the X1900 GT...

..and on COD2 on the benchmarks you provided, the 7900T had, like, a 4fps lead over the X1800 XT in the only playable resolution. HARDLY a slam-dunk over the X1800 XT...

Not to mention, a myriad of other benches out there show the X1800 XT in a more favorable light over the X1900 GT than the two examples you chose.

Mighty big words, indeed. :twisted:
August 29, 2006 8:59:38 PM

I owned the 256mb version of the x1800xt and Id say imo it is BETTER than the 7900gt when your dealing with AA and AF. So I could only imagine the 512mb would be a no brainer.

IMO go for the x1800xt, runs really hot though so maybe some after market cooling, but it's better than the 7900gt imo.
August 29, 2006 9:09:27 PM

Hey, you're the one that said EVERY situation. I'm just proving you wrong and you can't take it.

And didn't I say that for COD2, go ahead and get the X1800XT over the X1900GT. Why don't you understand what you are reading before you put your foot in your mouth.

I never claimed that the X1900GT was a superior card, I just recommended it because of the single slot solution which I prefer.

Btw, Oblivion at 1600x1200. The X1900GT beats the X1800XT by 5 fps.

http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics.html?modelx=33&m...
August 29, 2006 9:16:15 PM

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Hey, you're the one that said EVERY situation. I'm just proving you wrong and you can't take it.


In spite of your lame data, I still say every situation. The THG charts were within the margin of error, and I can provide oblivion benches that say otherwise:

http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/sapphire_radeon_x19...

Outside the margin of error, the X1800 XT beats it pretty good, dunnitt? In ALL benches and resolutions at the FS review, actually. Check it out.

So I'm inclined to think the THG benches involved a bottleneck, and you're a whiner making a mountain out of a molehill statement (which was, essentially, correct in the first place). The FS benches tell the story, mate.

But don't worry about looking silly by digging up comparisons with a 2 fps difference, mate. We're a forgiving bunch here at the THG forums. :wink:
August 29, 2006 9:26:03 PM

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We're a forgiving bunch here at the THG forums. :wink:

We are?!?!?!?!??1 8O 8O
August 29, 2006 9:27:28 PM

Maybe...

Say Prozac, how's the overclocking battle coming? Haven't heard from you in a bit.
August 29, 2006 9:30:44 PM

Got bored with OCing, so just playing games. :D  I might do some mroe OCing later on, too busy playing my games with every possible setting maxed out. :p 
August 29, 2006 9:37:35 PM

Cool. I hope you don't think I'm dissing you; the X1900 GT is a fine card, but if the price is close I'd advocate for the X1800 XT.
August 29, 2006 9:42:23 PM

The price wan't close. X1900GT cost nearly half price of X1800XT, and I didn't see the point of spending that much more.
August 29, 2006 9:44:41 PM

Yep, canadian pricing is no fun. In that case you made the obvious right choice.
August 29, 2006 9:50:42 PM

Yup. at the expense of being made fun of....

:( 
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August 29, 2006 10:14:08 PM

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Hey, you're the one that said EVERY situation. I'm just proving you wrong and you can't take it.

LOL, you ninny. :tongue: That is Oblivion indoors!!!!! :lol:  That means squat.

Try the outdoors comparison where it matters and the X1800XT wins. Matter of fact neither of these cards can handle Oblivion at 16x12 unless you seriously tweak the IQ.

16x12
http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics.html?modelx=33&m...

10x7
http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics.html?modelx=33&m...


BTW, here is a 256MB X1800XT spanking the X1900GT in every game. Check out the high res 4xaa/16xaf tests.

http://legionhardware.com/document.php?id=550

Anyway, I agree with Cleeve, X1800XT > X1900GT, even in Oblivion.
a b U Graphics card
August 29, 2006 10:17:31 PM

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I would either get the X1900GT for around $200


The X1900 GT might be a bit quieter and use a bit less power, but the X1800 XT will beat it in every gaming situation, for about the same price.

Not to meantion, IMO and many others, a dual slot cooler is more desireable, blowing the hot air out of the case instead of circulating it within.
August 30, 2006 1:44:23 PM

Those benchmarks are for an X1800XT with 512 MB. Why don't you check out the prices for this card?

$334 on pricewatch. Now, let's do a price / performance comparison.

I'll average all 6 of the benchmarks from firingsquad.

X1800XT (512 MB): $334/38.9 fps = $8.59 per frame

X1900GT : $195/31.3 fps = $6.23 per frame

Since you're talking about the X1800XT with 512 MB, why don't you recommend getting the MSI X1900XT for $275.

X1900XT: $275/41.8 fps = $6.57 per frame

Anyway, I can take the criticism. And to show that I can, I did look at some other data other than pure benchmarks. The X1900GT was running at nearly 90 deg C. I would avoid having a card running this hot.
August 30, 2006 1:47:45 PM

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The X1900GT was running at nearly 90 deg C. I would avoid having a card running this hot.

My doesn't run newarly as hot.... got to about 75 after few hours of Blood Money. The downside, the fan is loud as hell.
August 30, 2006 2:03:51 PM

Thanks for legionhardware website. Never been to this one.

From those benchmarks, it makes me wonder why ATI bothered making the X1900GT.
August 30, 2006 2:28:54 PM

1800XT, IMO, is better than the 7900GT in most games. I just checked the benchmarks and for the games that you will be playing, the 1800XT is better. Also, right now you can get an 1800XT for 199.99 at newegg. While the cheapest 7900GT you can get right now is around $260. You can't go wrong with the 1800XT...
August 30, 2006 2:29:18 PM

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Those benchmarks are for an X1800XT with 512 MB. Why don't you check out the prices for this card?


Because in the real world a 256mb card will almost always provide the same performance, that's why... as the Legionhardware benches show.

It's the memory speed that differentiates performance from the X1900 GT, not the memory amount.

256mb X1800 XTs can be had for less than $210 on newegg.
August 30, 2006 2:36:26 PM

touche
August 30, 2006 2:44:42 PM

get the 7900gt.I think you'll find it to be a very adequit card.and it does outperform the x1800xt.but i believe in the end it comes down to personal preferance.ati or nvidia??that is the big question that everyone wants the answer to.but in truthe there is no real way to answer.as i've said,it comes down to personal preferance.goodluck.

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August 30, 2006 3:10:04 PM

X1900GT 256 against X1800XT 256 = winner X1900GT 256 - both cards are the same price.

X1900GT 256 against X1800XT 512 = winner X1800XT 512 - X1800XT 512 = $339.99 the X1900GT 256 = $199.99

Winner for the $ = X1900GT 256 = $199.99
August 30, 2006 3:16:20 PM

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and it does outperform the x1800xt.but i believe in the end it comes down to personal preferance.ati or nvidia??that is the big question that everyone wants the answer to.but in truthe there is no real way to answer.as i've said,it comes down to personal preferance.goodluck.


WTF are you saying? That performance and cost don't matter, it's brand that counts?

That is the worst advice I've ever heard. You should buy the best card for the money, not be a corporate lapdog.


And for the record, the 7900 GT does not outperform the X1800 XT in most benches. At best, they trade blows, and the X1800 XT seems to perform better at higher resolutions and AA because it's memory is faster.

If they were the same price then it'd be an even recommendation, but the 7900 GT is overpriced now compared to it.

If you can prove the 7900 GT is better than the X1800 XT, please provide information to support your statement... if you can't, then keep your fanboyism to yourself.
August 30, 2006 3:47:25 PM

I"m assuming you meant to say X1800XT and not X1900XT.

If you stated that the 256MB X1800XT is better than the 256 MB X1900GT at about the same price, why did you state that "Winner for the $ = X1900GT 256 = $199.99"

Doesn't logically make sense.

As I showed earlier, for price/performance in comparing the X1900GT with the 512 MB version of the X1800XT, it's not worth getting the X1800XT.

But I've been enlightened to the 256 MB version of the X1800XT which costs a few bucks more than the X1900GT and outperforms it by quite a margin.

Couldn't find any benchmarks that explicitly compared the 256 vs 512 X1800XT, but from what Cleeve mentioned, doesn't sound like there's much of a difference between the two.

To repeat Pauldh,

http://legionhardware.com/document.php?id=550
August 31, 2006 4:38:03 PM

correct, the X1800XT 512 is alot faster then the 256 version.

Hence the X1900GT out performed the X1800XT 256 version @ the same price. GT is the winner but the X1800XT 512 out performes them both.
August 31, 2006 4:58:34 PM

Why are you trying to say the X1900GT is the winner? Prove it.

Did you even bother taking a look at the link to the benchmarks I reiterated from Pauldh?

Hey Cleeve, want to enlighten this guy?
August 31, 2006 5:58:25 PM

Have you considered an aftermarket cooler?

I recently got a Sytrin KuFormula VF1-Plus for my X1800XT. Unbelievable piece of kit - temp is down from 90C load to 70C load, and at the lowest (virtually inaudible) fan speed. I can now max the card out in ATI Overdrive without any problems whatsoever.

Wholeheartedly recommended to anyone who doesn't like the noise of the ATI cards.
August 31, 2006 6:04:54 PM

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Have you considered an aftermarket cooler?

I recently got a Sytrin KuFormula VF1-Plus for my X1800XT. Unbelievable piece of kit - temp is down from 90C load to 70C load, and at the lowest (virtually inaudible) fan speed. I can now max the card out in ATI Overdrive without any problems whatsoever.

Wholeheartedly recommended to anyone who doesn't like the noise of the ATI cards.

Yea, have no money now, I owe some money, so can't buy one yet. :( 
August 31, 2006 7:32:41 PM

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Hey Cleeve, want to enlighten this guy?


Heheh. Well, we've liosted alot of benchmark sources, if he chooses to ignore them I don't know what we can do about it... :) 
August 31, 2006 8:06:23 PM

prozac26...if you're not putting as many people as possible in that garbage truck just to hear their bones crush...I will think less of you.

Also Riverboat, bodies, boiler, nuff said..... :twisted:
August 31, 2006 10:51:16 PM

hmm, I'm working on it, give me time!!! :evil: 
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