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August 29, 2006 10:05:04 PM

I've just built a system with the following specs:

Asus A8N-SLI Premium
X2 3800+ (standard clocked for now)
OCZ Platinum XTC DDR500 2x1GB (clocked at DDR400 for now)
Seagate 7200.10 320GB SATA
2x Maxtor Maxline III 250GB PATA (RAID 1)
BFG 7900GT OC
Thermaltake 480W PSU (20 -> 24 pin adapter installed... is this a bad idea?)

The folks at Canada Computers (a local enthusiast parts retailer for anyone outside of Ontario) insisted that there were problems with Asus boards in combination with OCZ memory. I called OCZ before purchasing the RAM and they told me that wasn't the case. Now I've got the system assembled and I can't seem to get it to boot into Windows.

Both drive configurations above will allow me to install Windows completely but will not actually boot into Windows when the installation is complete. I tried a pair of known good OCZ Premier Series (2x512MB) with SPD settings and had a similar problem. I keep seeing unmountable boot volume type errors but the drives check out fine in other systems.

I've put together literally hundreds of systems over the last decade so I'd put myself into the more advanced category... at any rate, I'm hardly a novice. I called OCZ and emailed again but they insist there are no issues with Asus boards. While reading up on this issue both before and after purchasing the parts, a few people mention hearing about the Asus/OCZ issue but no one had any real information about the "problem".

So after my long-winded intro, here's my question. Does anyone have conclusive proof of problems with specifically OCZ memory on Asus boards? And for bonus points, does anyone have a suggestion for resolving my problem?

I'll be trying the RAM in various single and dual channel configs to see if I can get something working. I'll also be running memtest on the modules to see what happens, but this is all very time consuming and I'd rather just skip to the part where the problem is resolved. ;) 

BTW, one of the OCZ people sent me here:
http://www.bleedinedge.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15898

They also suggested increasing the voltage for the modules to 2.7V as the Asus boards default to 2.6V. I was running with "Auto" settings for as many SPD/Jumperfree settings as I could to ensure that the system was stable before I start to try and overclock. I only plan a very modest overclock (maybe 240 MHz FSB max) as I'm using the retail AMD cooler.

Thanks in advance for your help.

Scott
August 29, 2006 10:52:07 PM

nope i have had 0 problems with my asus and OCZ

asus mvp deluxe A8R32-MVP Deluxe

OCZ 2GB PC4000 Gold Gamer eXtreme XTC Edition


YET i have heard the problems with asus and OCZ with AM2 platform.
August 29, 2006 11:53:41 PM

I believe this incomplitablity problem only pretains to socket AM2, more specifically, the voltage settings for DDR2 ram on asus boards, and OCZ sticks requiring more voltage than the defaut 1.8 v. I think u can boot with another stick of non OCZ, manually set up teh voltage, and then put the OCZ sticks in.
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August 30, 2006 12:19:50 AM

Most of the problems you've heard about Asus + OCZ incompatibility problems true. But the 'new wave of incompatibility' came with the new Intel 965 chipsets. Most motherboards will not POST with any RAM modules working higher than 1.8V (or 1.9V). Many people bought their Conroe setup with a pair of OCZ RAM and a P965 motherboard and they had to either RMA the RAM or buy a cheap stick to boot and change the default voltage setting on the BIOS.

If I were you, I'd stay away from OCZ, why buy that (crap) anyways ? You got much better brands with less incompatibily issues.
August 30, 2006 1:36:20 PM

I've always found OCZ to be very reliable, so although I understand you're being facetious, I don't think it's fair to call OCZ memory "crap".

The new development, in case anyone cares, is that the memory tests out fine using memtest86+ 1.65 in both possible dual channel configs. Still can't boot into Windows. I tried nearly every combination of dual and single channel with the same problems. I'm beginning to think this has nothing to do with RAM. Also tried manually specifying 2.7V but no luck.

Does anyone else have some suggestions? Maybe something obvious that I'm overlooking? Thanks again.

Scott
August 30, 2006 2:31:21 PM

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I had OCZ DDR 500 mem in my Asus A8N5X and it turned out to be a big mistake. Motherboard did not get along with that memory no matter what the voltage was at and I could only get it to run stable at 420mhz :roll:

I put my crucial ddr 400 value mem back in and stuck some heatsinks on them and now run that mem at 494mhz rock stable with 3 3 3 5 timings.


Did you have similar problems with booting or did you have issues with the system reaching the POST? I haven't had a single POST issue but when it comes time to actually boot from a hard disk, it always seems to fail.

Thanks.

Scott
August 30, 2006 2:47:24 PM

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No booting problems at all. Mainly problems with post and stability.

You might want to look into corsair memory. Asus and Corsair memory seem to get along the best from research I have done.


From my tests, I'm becoming more confident that the RAM is functioning normally. I certainly appreciate your recommendation and I will test a different set of DIMMs from another manufacturer as soon as I get the chance. If it turns out that the memory is the problem, Corsair would be my second pick.

I would have purchased Corsair memory in the first place (after Canada Computers recommended anything but OCZ on this board) except that they only had garbage generic RAM in stock, no Corsair. Since OCZ was adamant that the RAM would be fine, I figured it was worth the gamble...

Thanks again.

Scott
August 30, 2006 3:11:59 PM

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Well im sure since OCZ is in the money making business they wouldnt tell you anything else but that. :lol: 


I hear you... The thing is, they have to support the memory so there's not really much advantage in getting me to buy something that they know doesn't work. It just means more headaches for them in the end. And trust me, if I can confirm that the RAM is the problem, I will definitely ensure that they resolve the issue at absolutely no additional cost to myself. :D 

No cost aside from my time, that is. And really, if people like us didn't like wasting our own time on problems then we'd buy prebuilt systems right? :p 

Scott
August 30, 2006 3:32:36 PM

There have been issues with OCZ ram, or any ram really, on the newer motherboards (AM2 and 975chipset), not the older ones due to Voltage requirements. In your case, since its a S939 you shouldn't be worried necessarily about the ram.

I've also found out that the newer Maxtor hard drives have some sort of compatability issue with some ASUS motherboards, similar to what you are experiencing (not being able to enter Windows).

I believe they have something available on the Maxtor website now to resolve the issue.
August 30, 2006 4:09:44 PM

Not sure if this applies here, but have you updated your motherboard's BIOS? On my motherboard (see sig) one of the BIOS updates also updated the onboard nForce RAID, although I really don't remember the specifics as it was before I had a RAID.
Edit: I just looked it up. Here's a quote from the ECS website: "Update to RAID ROM V5.5"

-mcg
August 30, 2006 5:24:20 PM

Thanks for your suggestions, I appreciate the help.

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I've also found out that the newer Maxtor hard drives have some sort of compatability issue with some ASUS motherboards, similar to what you are experiencing (not being able to enter Windows).

I believe they have something available on the Maxtor website now to resolve the issue.


I think this might be the issue you're referring to:
EDIT: Sorry, the URL is being trimmed. Try going to the support kb search and look for article 1214.

When I first tried to set up this system, I did not use the Maxtor RAID config at all. (The drives weren't even in the case, let alone connected.) Running with just the new Seagate drive connected I had the boot problem after installing Windows. I threw the Maxtor drives in afterwards, just to make sure it wasn't a SATA controller/Seagate drive issue. The Seagate worked fine when installed it in another system and I could see all the Windows files on the disk.

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Not sure if this applies here, but have you updated your motherboard's BIOS? On my motherboard (see sig) one of the BIOS updates also updated the onboard nForce RAID, although I really don't remember the specifics as it was before I had a RAID.


I'm running with BIOS 1009 which, according to the Asus website, is the latest. Most recently I have been trying to install on the SATA Seagate drive, for the most part, so I doubt the RAID drives are causing issues for me (unless just having them connected is a problem).

There are two beta BIOS versions available, but all I can find about them other than "Latest beta BIOS" is here for version 1011:

1- Update awdflash to v1.17 to avoid the system BIOS being downgraded
2- Fixed failed to boot from Marvell LAN ROM due to IRQ conflict
3- Fixed instant Music function fail issue.
4- Add an option in the Bios to Enable/Disable "Wake up from S1/S3/S4".
5- Fix sometimes asusupdate will show Unknown flash.
6- Improve the compatibility with FX-60 Dualcore CPU

That doesn't sound like it would affect my problem and I'm reluctant to install a beta BIOS on the off chance that I might prevent the system from booting entirely. I've only ever had those types of issues with MSI boards (which I don't buy anymore) but I may have to call Asus and see what they say.

Thanks again.

Scott
August 30, 2006 7:33:27 PM

Any other suggestions would be greatly appreciated. I'm contacting Asus right now to see what they have to say.

Have any of you used the 20 to 24 pin adapters for older ATX power supplies? I wouldn't expect it to cause consistently reproducable problems, particularly when I'm just trying to boot into Windows.

I'll be trying another set of RAM tonight and hopefully this will give me some clues.

Thanks to everyone for responding.

Scott
August 30, 2006 7:45:04 PM

I've always found Corsair to be the better stock speed memory and better suited for AMD systems. For my Intel rigs i've always gone ahead and used OCZ Platinum memory without a problem (Gold memory for my P4 systems).
I find OCZ memory to overclock the highest and well... that is the memory geared towards my interests.

You will find that I seldomly recommend OCZ memory. That is because it is more finicky and should be left to more advanced overclocking users. G.Skill and Corsair would be the two brands I recommend the most.
August 30, 2006 7:55:47 PM

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You will find that I seldomly recommend OCZ memory. That is because it is more finicky and should be left to more advanced overclocking users. G.Skill and Corsair would be the two brands I recommend the most.


I understand what you mean and Corsair has served me well in the past. (Never used G.Skill.) OCZ has a large presence in Canada, particularly at Canada Computers so I started using their memory over the last couple years.

I would hardly consider myself new to overclocking but I will admit that I haven't overclocked many systems of this CPU generation. (Oh, but that Celeron 300A was pretty sweet... those of you oldschoolers will know what I'm talking about. :wink:)  Regardless, I am not overclocking anything at the moment and surely the system should boot into Windows with the FSB at 200 MHz. That's standard CPU clock and DDR underclock for these modules. OS stability shouldn't even be an issue, let alone booting problems.

Aaah! This is driving me crazy! Hopefully when I manage to resolve this problem it'll be that much sweeter after all the headaches.

Thanks again.

Scott
August 30, 2006 8:16:53 PM

Using a 20 Pin or 24 Pin power supply will not matter. With just a 20 Pin connected to the motherboard (without an adapter) is completely fine.

I have a similar build to your new computer but I was originally using a 20 Pin powersupply with no adapter. Worked fine and I've seen many other computers also work fine with just a 20 Pin.

Just remembering back a bit, I've found the Thermaltake 480W's a little gutless. With that 7900GT, the OCZ ram and the 3 hard drives, maybe its too much for the Thermaltake to handle when it hits Windows.

Does it just turn off or reboot when it gets to the windows screen? Or just hang? If its rebooting it is usually a power issue.
August 30, 2006 8:34:12 PM

I've had similar issue with my old system sometimes ago. My spec:

ASUS A8N-SLI (No Premium) Rev. 1014 (latest)
AMD64 4000+
OCZ Platinum DDR400 2x1GB instead of yours DDR500
2x eVGA 7900GTX
Seagate 500GB SATA boot drive
Creative X-Fi Music Extreme
Antec 550W PSU


Anyway, the system didn't boot into Windows XP with an error similar like this "... Boot drive not found...". I found out that all I had to do is just leave the Windows XP boot CD in the DVD drive during boot up, even though I booted into Windows from the HDD instead.

I think this is a BIOS issue rather than OCZ or my configuration problem. I needed to boot Windows XP from the DVD drive in order to set up the system and somehow the BIOS kept insist on booting from the DVD drive although I've setup HDD as the 2. boot drive.

May be this would help you solve your problem ...
August 30, 2006 8:40:20 PM

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Just remembering back a bit, I've found the Thermaltake 480W's a little gutless. With that 7900GT, the OCZ ram and the 3 hard drives, maybe its too much for the Thermaltake to handle when it hits Windows.

Does it just turn off or reboot when it gets to the windows screen? Or just hang? If its rebooting it is usually a power issue.


I was wondering about the PSU but I've had this issue even without the two Maxtor drives connected. The system does not reboot on its own. I have seen various problems but they basically fall under three categories:

1. Most frequently the system starts with the Windows XP screen and blue screens with an unmountable boot volume error. Safe mode is no help (except for one time when I did make it to safe mode).
2. The system gets past the POST screens and freezes immediately after listing the PCI IDs of the installed devices (i.e. the part where it tries to boot to a drive). It's not locked up in the sense that it needs a hard reset, Ctrl-Alt-Del still works. It seems more like it's searching for a bootable drive and keeps looking forever.
3. The system gets to the Windows XP screen and continues to show the little progress marker moving from left to right indefinitely (I only waited 10 mins at the most, but you get the point).

I'll be trying a set of Kingston DDR400 modules from a Dell system and a low-end PCIe card just to test the power and RAM possible issues.

Thanks again.

Scott
August 30, 2006 8:45:15 PM

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Anyway, the system didn't boot into Windows XP with an error similar like this "... Boot drive not found...". I found out that all I had to do is just leave the Windows XP boot CD in the DVD drive during boot up, even though I booted into Windows from the HDD instead.

I think this is a BIOS issue rather than OCZ or my configuration problem. I needed to boot Windows XP from the DVD drive in order to set up the system and somehow the BIOS kept insist on booting from the DVD drive although I've setup HDD as the 2. boot drive.


Thanks for the suggestion, I'll try that tonight. I'm pretty sure that I've inadvertently tried this but I can't be sure. I often just leave the disc in the drive after the last Windows setup reboot because the system will skip past booting from the CD.

Anything that easy is worth a shot! Thanks for the suggestion.

Scott
August 30, 2006 9:10:07 PM

I have an Asus A8N-E with 3GB of OCZ memory:
2 1GB Platinum DDR400
2 512MB GOLD EL DDR400

I have no problems with them, but it can take some time setting them up. The gold EL series loves voltage, up to 3.3Volts. However, the platinum series prefers 2.7 volts.

I had a similar problem to you were windows would install but not boot. Did you run memtest? Also don't forget to raise your voltage to the memory to at least 2.7 just to be sure it's not a voltage issue.
August 30, 2006 9:31:20 PM

This almost sounds like a hardware/software conflict versus a RAM issue. For one I would try disconnecting any extra unecessary hardware and use only one drive. Also it may not be a bad idea to reset your BIOS via the jumper. Then try disabling onboard devices like COM ports, Parallel Ports, Floppy, Ethernet, and even Sound Card in the bios. If you can disable the SATA controller too. Insert the Windows CD and when setup is checking your system configuration press th F5 key. It will ask you to select your system type, choose ACPI Multiprocessor PC. Let windows finish installing and see if it loads.
August 30, 2006 9:34:31 PM

scotty_mcd, one more thing:

During a recent upgrade my rig from AMD64 4000+ to X2 4600, I've moved the entire hardware to another ASUS A8N-SLI (I have 2 identical boards) with the older rev.1013 (the first one has rev.1014), the whole issue revsolves itself completely. Now, the rig boots fine into Windows (the same OS installed from the first ASUS A8N-SLI). No more problems, whatsoever.

BTW, I used the first ASUS A8N-SLI with AMD64 4000+ for another non-SLI rig with different memory (2GB of Corsair XMS) and RAID 0 configuration (I didn't want to install RAID 0 on the SLI rig). It also works fine. May be it's a combination of ASUS rev.1014 and OCZ after all? hard to tell due to different hardware configuration.

If leaving the CD in the drive works for you, then you can:
1. Just simply ignore the problem until we got a newer BIOS from ASUS and flash the board (hope the pronlem will resolve) OR
2. Flash your board withe the older rev. 1013
August 30, 2006 9:53:33 PM

Here's what puzzles me, if there is a memory problem (compatibility or otherwise) how were you able to install windows? Or did I not read your post correctly?

Sounds to me as if there's something else wrong.
August 30, 2006 9:54:16 PM

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I had a similar problem to you were windows would install but not boot. Did you run memtest? Also don't forget to raise your voltage to the memory to at least 2.7 just to be sure it's not a voltage issue.


Yes, memtest checks out fine with the modules in either A1/B1 or A2/B2 though I have been told by many that A2/B2 is the desired config. I started with the modules in A2/B2. I also tried manually specifying 2.7V which resulted in no change.

Thanks for your suggestions.

Scott
August 30, 2006 9:56:52 PM

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This almost sounds like a hardware/software conflict versus a RAM issue. For one I would try disconnecting any extra unecessary hardware and use only one drive. Also it may not be a bad idea to reset your BIOS via the jumper. Then try disabling onboard devices like COM ports, Parallel Ports, Floppy, Ethernet, and even Sound Card in the bios. If you can disable the SATA controller too. Insert the Windows CD and when setup is checking your system configuration press th F5 key. It will ask you to select your system type, choose ACPI Multiprocessor PC. Let windows finish installing and see if it loads.


I have actually disabled most of the onboard devices. My normal practice is to turn off anything I don't use on the motherboard. I'm going to try various hardware setups tonight and I was planning to try your suggested config: strictly barebones to see what happens.

Thanks for your suggestions. I've got a long night ahead of me.

Scott
August 30, 2006 9:59:17 PM

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Here's what puzzles me, if there is a memory problem (compatibility or otherwise) how were you able to install windows? Or did I not read your post correctly?

Sounds to me as if there's something else wrong.


That's exactly my thinking as well. The problem is that because Canada Computers is convinced it's a RAM issue, they won't do anything about the real problem... whatever that may be. Unfortunately, their techs are generally pretty weak so I'm much better off diagnosing the problem myself. I'm just looking for suggestions from the community.

Thanks for your input.

Scott
August 30, 2006 10:04:10 PM

I'm in the too-weak-PS camp. Your video card requires a PS with at least 20A on the +12V, and your PS is only rated for 18A.
August 30, 2006 10:22:01 PM

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I'm in the too-weak-PS camp. Your video card requires a PS with at least 20A on the +12V, and your PS is only rated for 18A.


If that's the problem, I'll gladly replace the power supply. I'll know soon when I try a lower end card in my system. In my experience, a poorly powered system will usually have weird, intermittent errors or spontaneous reboots rather than consistent failures. Of course, that may not always be the case. I'll post here tomorrow with the results, and hopefully some good news.

Thanks again to everyone who has responded.

Scott
August 30, 2006 10:40:44 PM

Does not sound like a memory problem to mee, too.

Besides, memtest should have shown it, if it were.

Sounds like you are running into issues with the drives - I would focus on those, and their potential causes. I really have no experience with low power problems, but I would get a more powerful supply and plug it in before putting everything in the case. If that does not solve it, at least you would be able to return it. Also, if voltage makes no difference, I would leave it at the default - again, if it is a power related issue, you're only making it worse by cranking it up.

I would also second the opinions that the memory issues were affecting the new platform, and, more specifically, DDR2 RAM.

EDIT:

Which hard drive are you booting from? The SATA single or the PATA RAID? If RAID, check the boot order (duh, but just in case) and I am assuming you insalled the drivers (again, you shouldn't have gotten this far if you hadn't, but jsut in case).

Good luck
August 31, 2006 1:31:52 PM

Scotty,

Building upon the previous post. How many drives do you have on the system? If you have two or more then go to the BIOS options for booting from the hard drive. The BIOS has TWO levels of booting options. The first level is based on drive type, while the second level is the order for all drives of that type. Look at the boot order of ONLY the hard drives. The problem may be as simple as setting the hard drive boot order to the drive you intend to boot from within the HARD DRIVE boot order menu.

I had a similar issue where the boot order was DVD then hard drives. However, for the hard drives, it always lists my non-boot drive my default so I needed to change it.

This might be the solution to your problem. Please let me know if this works.
August 31, 2006 1:40:09 PM

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Look at the boot order of ONLY the hard drives. The problem may be as simple as setting the hard drive boot order to the drive you intend to boot from within the HARD DRIVE boot order menu.


Thanks for the suggestion but this had nothing to do with boot order. I was able to consistently configure which drives I wished to boot from. I'm about to post the "solution" to the problems. I still haven't established that the system is fully stable but so far it appears very promising.

Scott
August 31, 2006 2:43:34 PM

you could use ALT+F8 at the post to enter the boot pop up window that asus bios has and choose the right drive you want to boot,

Have you tried a linux distro one of thoose cd things, only to see if it boots because if it does boot maybe there's something wrong other than the memory, because if it passes mem test and installs windows it must be good, because usually when memeory isn't working correctly the windows installation it crashes (for my experience there are expections), good luck with that weird prob.
August 31, 2006 2:55:31 PM

Hello again to everyone who has been helping me in this thread. I would like to thank everyone, yet again, for your helpful suggestions regarding this issue. Considering how many suggestions there were and how much time I spent on the problem over the last few days, I think it makes sense to post a lengthy “conclusion” to all of this. Hopefully it may help someone else running into similar problems in the future.

It is important to note that I was experiencing a combination of at least two issues that I have identified, which compounded the difficulty of narrowing down the problem.

First off, what didn’t work. Feel free to skip this section if you couldn’t give a rat’s a$$. :wink:

1. Changing the RAM.
Tried OCZ 2x512MB DDR400 Premium modules and Kingston 2x512MB DDR400 with no effect.
2. Changing the voltage to 2.7V.
Using the other memory ruled this out anyway, but I did try increasing the RAM voltage with no effect.
3. Switching between 1xMaxtor PATA, 1xSeagate SATA and 2xMaxtor PATA RAID 1. Although part of the solution is related to the number of drives in the system, simply using different drives and storage controllers did not resolve all of the problems. At the very least, the issue had nothing to do with the controllers or drives themselves.
4. Motherboard BIOS.
Although I did not try upgrading the BIOS, it appears that the latest released BIOS (1009) works fine.
5. 20 > 24 pin ATX adapter.
This seems to have nothing to do with the problems.
6. Leaving the Windows XP disc in the system.
This did not affect the booting problems.
7. Manually specifying ACPI Multiprocessor PC when starting the Windows XP installation.
Allowing the Windows installer to run without manually specifying multiprocessor seems to have no effect on the problems.
8. Using a different version of Windows XP.
I was originally trying to install Windows using a corporate edition copy but testing a retail copy made no difference. When I sat down and thought about this, I was convinced the problem was related to the lack of service packs in the original copy of Windows I was using. It turns out that SP2 didn’t make any difference. Still, I probably should have been using SP2 from the start.

Now on to what actually worked. Start here if you want to skip to the important part.

1. Disconnecting all but the necessary components and using a less power hungry video card.

I think Mondoman had this one pegged. When I have the 7900GT, Seagate and Maxtor drives connected all at once, the system fails to boot to ANY drive but the floppy. If I have just the Seagate drive and the 7900GT installed, it boots but it does not boot with three drives and the video card in combination. I had originally tried most of my installs without the Maxtor drives in the case but because of the problem in #2 below, I introduced them to test a different drive and the PATA controller. This is when I started seeing the failure to boot from the CD or hard drives. Granted that seems obvious to me now, but it wasn’t so obvious when I was running into the unmountable boot volume blue screens.

I’ll be picking a new PSU tonight and I’ll be looking for suggestions on what to buy. I’m not usually in the high end camp when it comes to power supplies so this is relatively new to me.

On to the first issue that started all of my problems and caused me to install the other drives into the system, resulting in the power issue.

2. Changing the nVidia storage controller driver floppy.

No, there was nothing wrong with my floppy drive or the disk itself (I tried a different disc just to be sure earlier on in my testing). The problem was that the make disk utility on the Asus CD that came with the board created a floppy that was missing the “nvata.cat”, “nvraid.cat” and “nvata.inf” files. What’s really weird is that I didn’t discover this was an issue until I had managed to install Windows many times without so much as a peep from the installer.

Last night I tried manually making a new disk from the nForce 6.86 driver package to see if the driver version could be causing problems and I started seeing errors about the missing files. (One of those, “if you’re installing from a CD or floppy blah blah files missing blah blah” messages.) I eliminated the possibility that it could be the drive and floppy disk so then I checked the disk itself and found that the files weren’t even there. (I realize now that I probably should have checked first, before trying another disk and drive. There’s half an hour I’ll never get back.)

When I copied all of the available files from the \NVIDIA\nForceWin2KXP\6.86\WinXP\legacy, \sata_ide and \sataraid folders onto the floppy, lo and behold, the missing file errors disappeared. Once I finally had managed to install Windows and boot into Windows in normal mode, I worked backwards to establish what the cause of all these problems were.

I actually solved these issues by removing all but the Seagate drive from the system, swapping in a new video card, and trying different version of Windows and the nVidia storage drivers. Then I started reintroducing the original software and parts. First the Windows disc turned out to make no difference. Then I tried the driver disc and found the problem in #2 above. Finally, I added the Maxtor drives back into the system and found the boot problem with the PSU in #1 above. There was no need to try the original video card as I knew that there was already a load problem even without it in the system.

I went back and forth twice between the original and new floppy disks with the nVidia drivers, just to be sure that I would get a blue screen using the disk with the missing files. At this point, I had only ever seen the missing file errors on the new disk but never once with the old disk. After a successful install using the new disk, I figured it must have been a version problem so I tried the old one. The old one gave me the unmountable boot volume error, so now back to the new disk. New disk worked again so I tried the old disk one last time and that’s the first time I saw the missing file errors on the old disk. Does this make any sense to you? It sure doesn’t make any sense to me but I tried continuing the installation without installing the files and saw my beloved unmountable boot volume blue screen. I think it’s safe to say that this is a missing files problem, not a version problem. Now I would love to know why I wasn’t always seeing an error about missing files, but I really don’t have the time to spend on it.

It’s safe to say that I’ve tried to install Windows on this system somewhere in the range of 40-50 times but I think I’ve got it nailed.

So now I’ve got a new problem. What PSU should I get for this system? :D 

Thanks again.

Scott
August 31, 2006 3:06:10 PM

Good news! Glad to see atleast one of my suggestions helped you find the solution. :D 
August 31, 2006 3:22:54 PM

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Good news! Glad to see atleast one of my suggestions helped you find the solution. :D 


Yeah man, thanks for the help. The really infuriating thing about this is that I went into Canada Computers before all of these problems with the intention of buying a new PSU and the guy there convinced me that all I should get was the 20 to 24 pin adapter. I should have known better than to listen to the sales rep (despite his usually sound advice), so I really have no one to blame but myself. Still, I was holding a new PSU in my hand and I put it back. Now I'll have to go back... ARGH! :wink:

Scott
August 31, 2006 3:52:54 PM

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I've just built a system with the following specs:

Asus A8N-SLI Premium
X2 3800+ (standard clocked for now)
OCZ Platinum XTC DDR500 2x1GB (clocked at DDR400 for now)
Seagate 7200.10 320GB SATA
2x Maxtor Maxline III 250GB PATA (RAID 1)
BFG 7900GT OC
Thermaltake 480W PSU (20 -> 24 pin adapter installed... is this a bad idea?)

The folks at Canada Computers (a local enthusiast parts retailer for anyone outside of Ontario) insisted that there were problems with Asus boards in combination with OCZ memory. I called OCZ before purchasing the RAM and they told me that wasn't the case. ...(msg truncated)...
Thanks in advance for your help.

Scott


Dude, I just bought all the hardware listed on my signature. I spoke with OCZ after my failed attempt at booting my system. OCZ's Technical support manager acknowledged that they do have problems with ASUS 965 chipsetted mobos. His info is listed below:
"Sean Kumar Sinha
Senior Technical Support Representative
Phone: (408) 733-8400 ext. 461
Fax: (408) 733-5200
Email: sean@ocztechnology.com
OCZ Technology"

I've now been waiting over 7 days for my memory which I had RMA'd back to them. I didn't bother returning the new memory back to ZipZoomFly.com because they wanted to charge me a 25% restocking fee, plus I have to pay for my own shipping. So instead, I went the RAMing route, I still haven't been able to power up my newly built system, because I'm waiting, waiting, waiting for OCZ. I just got in contact with Mr. Sinha yesterday via e-mail & he said that their RMA dept. is sooooo backed up that they hadn't even begun to process my RMA'd RAM. Waiting since 08-24-2006. Good luck. I know from where & from who I won't be buying anymore anything even if the sales are good. Now I have to go out & buy a cheapo stick from someone locally just to turn on my new system.
August 31, 2006 4:08:50 PM

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Now I have to go out & buy a cheapo stick from someone locally just to turn on my new system.


Man, I'm really sorry to hear you're having these problems. It sounds like the issues with compatibility only apply to the AM2 platform, which is good for me and bad for you. Why not just borrow a DIMM from a friend to get this going? Surely someone at work or school would have one you could borrow for a few minutes, even if you have to bring your system to their place.

I was dealing with Sean at OCZ and he was very helpful. Eric has also made a lot of effort to help me out with a problem that turns out isn't even related to RAM. Of course, when I start overclocking, I may see some new issues with my platform.

Good luck.

Scott
August 31, 2006 4:10:13 PM

I'm not sure if this is acceptable to continue with these questions in this thread so let me know if you think I should start a new thread in another forum.

OK, here are some available PSU choices:

Antec TruePower Trio 550W/650W (3x12V rails)
Can't find any full reviews.

OCZ GameXtreme 600W/700W (4x12V rails)
Review:
http://www.extremeoverclocking.com/reviews/cases/OCZ_Ga...

Enermax Liberty 500W/620W (looks to be 2x12V rails)
Review:
http://www.extremeoverclocking.com/reviews/cases/Enerma...

I'm leaning toward the OCZ 700W or the Antec 550W, but that's only because they're both in stock today. Does anyone have a particular recommendation as far as brand and/or total wattage? Since I'm only ever going to have one graphics card (although it is a power hungry card) in this system, would 550W be safe? I figured my 480W would do the trick, and it probably would have, had the 12V been capable of a higher amperage, as Mondoman pointed out. I am planning to overclock to the 240MHz FSB range so that will obviously increase the load on the PSU slightly.

Thanks.

Scott
August 31, 2006 6:19:52 PM

In the US, the TruePower is about 35% cheaper than the OCZ; either will work well for you now and into the future. Both seem to be well-thought-of in the Power Supplies forum.
Glad to hear you're on the home stretch!
September 1, 2006 8:55:55 PM

I just got a Silverstone 600W, after my Thermaltake 680W failed after 12 mos of operation. So far, so good. And I liked the modular connectivity. And these seem to be pretty good PSUs overall.

I would suggest checking the PSU section of these boards for plenty of good PSU discussion. Caution - it would seem that you have to be a lot more careful with higher powered units, as there seem to be a lot of them failing, based on neweggs' feedback. If you can trust newegg's feedback, anyway...
January 20, 2011 11:39:03 PM

Ok I know this is an old post but I just built a new sandy bridge system with an says p8p67 with 8 gigs of ocz ddr3 ram with 4x2gig modules. At first had trouble getting to post then once I finally got OS up and running it would only recognize 4gigs of the ram in slots 1 and 2 when running windows memory diagnostic tool it said I had problems and to contact the manufacturer. But I eventually got the rig to recognize all 8 gigs until I unplugged it and when I restarted it would still only recognize 4 gigs in windows and in the bios. So I returned the crappy OCZ and got some xms3 corsair memory and it works perfectly. And on a sidenote Just today OCZ decided to pull out of the RAM business! Thank god. Due yourself a favor and don't buy that high voltage gimmicky OCZ ram. Especially since they are probably not going to give you much support
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