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Anonymous
November 1, 2004 7:30:40 PM

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As a soon-to-be-but-not-yet XP user, I can see advantages in having
several partitions on the hard drive, one partition being for user data.

I would want to put folders My Documents, My Pictures, My Music onto
(say) the E: drive. In fact there would be one set of such folders
there, one set per each user of XP. How can I set that up?

Is it as simple as moving the whole user profiles folder to another drive,
but if so (idiot question) how does XP know how to find the profiles folder in
its new location? How do I actually do this?

Also, does XP have some special functionality associated with folder
My Pictures that doesn't get associated with any old folder? If so,
will any special properties of My Pictures be preserved if I move it
to another partition as indicated above?

My currently planned partitions BTW (on a 200G drive) are (1) XP Operating
System, (2) Swap File - no fragmentation problems if it has a partition to
itself, (3) Application Programs, and (4) User Data. Will be using Partition
Magic to do the partitioning. 200G drive!

Any comments from the experts will be much appreciated.


MTIA...

Brian Tooby
(remove "x" from email address when replying)

Pilot's Assistant Home Page:
http://www.tooby.demon.co.uk/P_Assist_Home.html
Anonymous
November 1, 2004 7:30:41 PM

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"AirToob" <brian@toobxy.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:fbFFpFAwSmhBFwUY@tooby.demon.co.uk...
> As a soon-to-be-but-not-yet XP user, I can see advantages in having
> several partitions on the hard drive, one partition being for user data.
>
> I would want to put folders My Documents, My Pictures, My Music onto
> (say) the E: drive. In fact there would be one set of such folders
> there, one set per each user of XP. How can I set that up?
>
> Is it as simple as moving the whole user profiles folder to another drive,
> but if so (idiot question) how does XP know how to find the profiles
folder in
> its new location? How do I actually do this?
>
> Also, does XP have some special functionality associated with folder
> My Pictures that doesn't get associated with any old folder? If so,
> will any special properties of My Pictures be preserved if I move it
> to another partition as indicated above?
>
> My currently planned partitions BTW (on a 200G drive) are (1) XP Operating
> System, (2) Swap File - no fragmentation problems if it has a partition to
> itself, (3) Application Programs, and (4) User Data. Will be using
Partition
> Magic to do the partitioning. 200G drive!
>
> Any comments from the experts will be much appreciated.
>
>
> MTIA...
>
> Brian Tooby

I'm not sure what advantages you see, but it's quite possible that in the
scenario you describe, the benefits are fewer and slimmer than you expect.

This is because with just one physical drive there is little or no physical
performance benefit - no matter how you partition it, it is still the same
set of heads and platters having to go to various places on the one drive.
Adding partitions may actually slow this process down by forcing them to
move further.

For backup, the documents and settings folder structure really helps confine
backups to one area, but no matter where you place this, you still need to
exclude all of the temporary and cache folders, unless you really want to
back up hundreds of megabytes of temporary internet files (per user).

HTH
-pk
Anonymous
November 1, 2004 7:30:41 PM

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On Mon, 1 Nov 2004 16:30:40 +0000, AirToob wrote:

> As a soon-to-be-but-not-yet XP user, I can see advantages in having
> several partitions on the hard drive, one partition being for user data.
>
> I would want to put folders My Documents, My Pictures, My Music onto
> (say) the E: drive. In fact there would be one set of such folders
> there, one set per each user of XP. How can I set that up?

I would make a folder for each user on the E: drive. Then add a subfolder
named Docs or similar. After XP is installed, log on as one of the users.
Then right click on My Documents for that user and select Properties. Click
the Move button and select E:\<username>\Docs (or whatever name you used on
the new folder). XP will then move all items over for you and update the
registry entries. Repeat the steps for each user - log on, move folder.

In place of using the Move button, you can right click/drag the My
Documents folder to E:\<username>. When you release the mouse button,
select Move Here. Again, all registry entries will update as the operating
system moves these folders and contents for you.

> Is it as simple as moving the whole user profiles folder to another drive,
> but if so (idiot question) how does XP know how to find the profiles folder in
> its new location? How do I actually do this?

Using the method above, there will still be a user folder under Documents
and Settings for each user but mostly what will be stored there is each
user's browser cache, temp files and application data/preference settings.
For the most part these are disposable files. User settings are not
disposable but not as critical as personal files. User settings can be
backed up with FAST (files and settings transfer wizard) or setup manually.
The important part - the bulk of personal files - will be on E:

NOTE: If you are planning on imaging the Windows drive on a regular basis,
this arrangement is a good strategy. It keeps the size of the Windows
partition down. On a mature XP system, I can still fit a "Windows/barebones
Documents and Settings" image onto a single DVD.

> Also, does XP have some special functionality associated with folder
> My Pictures that doesn't get associated with any old folder? If so,
> will any special properties of My Pictures be preserved if I move it
> to another partition as indicated above?

My Pictures is

1) a system folder. Using the above directions it will remain as a
subfolder to My Documents. It can also be right clicked/dragged to a
different position if you prefer and the registry entries automatically
updated. This part of My Pictures (system folder status), you cannot
duplicate.

2) customized with a template. You can customize any folder as a picture
folder using the folder's Properties> Customize menu. There are several
choices available in these screens: some for pictures and some for other
types of data.

--
Sharon F
MS-MVP ~ Windows XP Shell/User
Anonymous
November 1, 2004 7:30:42 PM

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You also need to direct the Outlook Express store folder, it
defaults in C:/doc settings/user.


--
The people think the Constitution protects their rights;
But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome.


"Sharon F" <sharonfDEL@ETEmvps.org> wrote in message
news:uEyMx%23DwEHA.3808@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
| On Mon, 1 Nov 2004 16:30:40 +0000, AirToob wrote:
|
| > As a soon-to-be-but-not-yet XP user, I can see
advantages in having
| > several partitions on the hard drive, one partition
being for user data.
| >
| > I would want to put folders My Documents, My Pictures,
My Music onto
| > (say) the E: drive. In fact there would be one set of
such folders
| > there, one set per each user of XP. How can I set that
up?
|
| I would make a folder for each user on the E: drive. Then
add a subfolder
| named Docs or similar. After XP is installed, log on as
one of the users.
| Then right click on My Documents for that user and select
Properties. Click
| the Move button and select E:\<username>\Docs (or whatever
name you used on
| the new folder). XP will then move all items over for you
and update the
| registry entries. Repeat the steps for each user - log on,
move folder.
|
| In place of using the Move button, you can right
click/drag the My
| Documents folder to E:\<username>. When you release the
mouse button,
| select Move Here. Again, all registry entries will update
as the operating
| system moves these folders and contents for you.
|
| > Is it as simple as moving the whole user profiles folder
to another drive,
| > but if so (idiot question) how does XP know how to find
the profiles folder in
| > its new location? How do I actually do this?
|
| Using the method above, there will still be a user folder
under Documents
| and Settings for each user but mostly what will be stored
there is each
| user's browser cache, temp files and application
data/preference settings.
| For the most part these are disposable files. User
settings are not
| disposable but not as critical as personal files. User
settings can be
| backed up with FAST (files and settings transfer wizard)
or setup manually.
| The important part - the bulk of personal files - will be
on E:
|
| NOTE: If you are planning on imaging the Windows drive on
a regular basis,
| this arrangement is a good strategy. It keeps the size of
the Windows
| partition down. On a mature XP system, I can still fit a
"Windows/barebones
| Documents and Settings" image onto a single DVD.
|
| > Also, does XP have some special functionality associated
with folder
| > My Pictures that doesn't get associated with any old
folder? If so,
| > will any special properties of My Pictures be preserved
if I move it
| > to another partition as indicated above?
|
| My Pictures is
|
| 1) a system folder. Using the above directions it will
remain as a
| subfolder to My Documents. It can also be right
clicked/dragged to a
| different position if you prefer and the registry entries
automatically
| updated. This part of My Pictures (system folder status),
you cannot
| duplicate.
|
| 2) customized with a template. You can customize any
folder as a picture
| folder using the folder's Properties> Customize menu.
There are several
| choices available in these screens: some for pictures and
some for other
| types of data.
|
| --
| Sharon F
| MS-MVP ~ Windows XP Shell/User
Anonymous
November 1, 2004 7:30:43 PM

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"Jim Macklin" <p51mustang[threeX12]@xxxhotmail.calm> wrote in message
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> You also need to direct the Outlook Express store folder, it
> defaults in C:/doc settings/user.
>

You'd also need to redirect the Windows Address book folder, which is in a
differnt place.
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;156828

HTH
-pk

>
> --
> The people think the Constitution protects their rights;
> But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome.
>
>
> "Sharon F" <sharonfDEL@ETEmvps.org> wrote in message
> news:uEyMx%23DwEHA.3808@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> | On Mon, 1 Nov 2004 16:30:40 +0000, AirToob wrote:
> |
> | > As a soon-to-be-but-not-yet XP user, I can see
> advantages in having
> | > several partitions on the hard drive, one partition
> being for user data.
> | >
> | > I would want to put folders My Documents, My Pictures,
> My Music onto
> | > (say) the E: drive. In fact there would be one set of
> such folders
> | > there, one set per each user of XP. How can I set that
> up?
> |
> | I would make a folder for each user on the E: drive. Then
> add a subfolder
> | named Docs or similar. After XP is installed, log on as
> one of the users.
> | Then right click on My Documents for that user and select
> Properties. Click
> | the Move button and select E:\<username>\Docs (or whatever
> name you used on
> | the new folder). XP will then move all items over for you
> and update the
> | registry entries. Repeat the steps for each user - log on,
> move folder.
> |
> | In place of using the Move button, you can right
> click/drag the My
> | Documents folder to E:\<username>. When you release the
> mouse button,
> | select Move Here. Again, all registry entries will update
> as the operating
> | system moves these folders and contents for you.
> |
> | > Is it as simple as moving the whole user profiles folder
> to another drive,
> | > but if so (idiot question) how does XP know how to find
> the profiles folder in
> | > its new location? How do I actually do this?
> |
> | Using the method above, there will still be a user folder
> under Documents
> | and Settings for each user but mostly what will be stored
> there is each
> | user's browser cache, temp files and application
> data/preference settings.
> | For the most part these are disposable files. User
> settings are not
> | disposable but not as critical as personal files. User
> settings can be
> | backed up with FAST (files and settings transfer wizard)
> or setup manually.
> | The important part - the bulk of personal files - will be
> on E:
> |
> | NOTE: If you are planning on imaging the Windows drive on
> a regular basis,
> | this arrangement is a good strategy. It keeps the size of
> the Windows
> | partition down. On a mature XP system, I can still fit a
> "Windows/barebones
> | Documents and Settings" image onto a single DVD.
> |
> | > Also, does XP have some special functionality associated
> with folder
> | > My Pictures that doesn't get associated with any old
> folder? If so,
> | > will any special properties of My Pictures be preserved
> if I move it
> | > to another partition as indicated above?
> |
> | My Pictures is
> |
> | 1) a system folder. Using the above directions it will
> remain as a
> | subfolder to My Documents. It can also be right
> clicked/dragged to a
> | different position if you prefer and the registry entries
> automatically
> | updated. This part of My Pictures (system folder status),
> you cannot
> | duplicate.
> |
> | 2) customized with a template. You can customize any
> folder as a picture
> | folder using the folder's Properties> Customize menu.
> There are several
> | choices available in these screens: some for pictures and
> some for other
> | types of data.
> |
> | --
> | Sharon F
> | MS-MVP ~ Windows XP Shell/User
>
>
Anonymous
November 1, 2004 8:25:12 PM

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What appears logical to the mind could in fact reduce performance for the
hard drive. I agree with the above reply that partitioning as you suggest
will probably cause the read/write heads to have to move much greater
distances and will cause your read/write operations to take longer.

The idea of partitioning hard drives derives in part from an earlier period
when the physical capacity of hard drives grew beyond the capability of the
operating system to address them, so users made partitions that the
operating system could use. When Windows could only address a 32GB hard
drive, users with 40GB drives usually overcame the limitation with two 20GB
partitions. Your new operating system will not have this problem.

If you want smoother performance out of your hard drive, simply maintain it
with periodic defragmentation and backups. The problem with backing up your
documents from one partition of the hard drive to another is that both
partitions, being on the same hard drive, are lost if the physical hard
drive fails.

Please consider a second hard drive for backups and archived files such as
pictures and music files. Either an internal or external drive is OK. An
advantage of a second drive is that your hard drive controller can read and
write to both drives at the same time.

Probably the safest for backups is an external drive. Such drives are now
very inexpensive and use a usb port to transfer data. Just be sure you have
usb2 (usb1.1 is too slow).

"AirToob" <brian@toobxy.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:fbFFpFAwSmhBFwUY@tooby.demon.co.uk...
> As a soon-to-be-but-not-yet XP user, I can see advantages in having
> several partitions on the hard drive, one partition being for user data.
>
> I would want to put folders My Documents, My Pictures, My Music onto
> (say) the E: drive. In fact there would be one set of such folders
> there, one set per each user of XP. How can I set that up?
>
> Is it as simple as moving the whole user profiles folder to another drive,
> but if so (idiot question) how does XP know how to find the profiles
> folder in
> its new location? How do I actually do this?
>
> Also, does XP have some special functionality associated with folder
> My Pictures that doesn't get associated with any old folder? If so,
> will any special properties of My Pictures be preserved if I move it
> to another partition as indicated above?
>
> My currently planned partitions BTW (on a 200G drive) are (1) XP Operating
> System, (2) Swap File - no fragmentation problems if it has a partition to
> itself, (3) Application Programs, and (4) User Data. Will be using
> Partition
> Magic to do the partitioning. 200G drive!
>
> Any comments from the experts will be much appreciated.
>
>
> MTIA...
>
> Brian Tooby
> (remove "x" from email address when replying)
>
> Pilot's Assistant Home Page:
> http://www.tooby.demon.co.uk/P_Assist_Home.html
Anonymous
November 1, 2004 10:02:50 PM

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In article <uEyMx#DwEHA.3808@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl>, Sharon F
<sharonfDEL@ETEmvps.org> writes
>On Mon, 1 Nov 2004 16:30:40 +0000, AirToob wrote:
>
>> As a soon-to-be-but-not-yet XP user, I can see advantages in having
>> several partitions on the hard drive, one partition being for user data.
>>
>> I would want to put folders My Documents, My Pictures, My Music onto
>> (say) the E: drive. In fact there would be one set of such folders
>> there, one set per each user of XP. How can I set that up?
>
>I would make a folder for each user on the E: drive. Then add a subfolder
>named Docs or similar. After XP is installed, log on as one of the users.
>Then right click on My Documents for that user and select Properties. Click
>the Move button and select E:\<username>\Docs (or whatever name you used on
>the new folder). XP will then move all items over for you and update the
>registry entries. Repeat the steps for each user - log on, move folder.
>
>In place of using the Move button, you can right click/drag the My
>Documents folder to E:\<username>. When you release the mouse button,
>select Move Here. Again, all registry entries will update as the operating
>system moves these folders and contents for you.
>
>> Is it as simple as moving the whole user profiles folder to another drive,
>> but if so (idiot question) how does XP know how to find the profiles folder in
>> its new location? How do I actually do this?
>
>Using the method above, there will still be a user folder under Documents
>and Settings for each user but mostly what will be stored there is each
>user's browser cache, temp files and application data/preference settings.
>For the most part these are disposable files. User settings are not
>disposable but not as critical as personal files. User settings can be
>backed up with FAST (files and settings transfer wizard) or setup manually.
>The important part - the bulk of personal files - will be on E:
>
>NOTE: If you are planning on imaging the Windows drive on a regular basis,
>this arrangement is a good strategy. It keeps the size of the Windows
>partition down. On a mature XP system, I can still fit a "Windows/barebones
>Documents and Settings" image onto a single DVD.
>
>> Also, does XP have some special functionality associated with folder
>> My Pictures that doesn't get associated with any old folder? If so,
>> will any special properties of My Pictures be preserved if I move it
>> to another partition as indicated above?
>
>My Pictures is
>
>1) a system folder. Using the above directions it will remain as a
>subfolder to My Documents. It can also be right clicked/dragged to a
>different position if you prefer and the registry entries automatically
>updated. This part of My Pictures (system folder status), you cannot
>duplicate.
>
>2) customized with a template. You can customize any folder as a picture
>folder using the folder's Properties> Customize menu. There are several
>choices available in these screens: some for pictures and some for other
>types of data.
>


Thanks, Sharon, that was really helpful!

Best regards,



Brian Tooby
(remove "x" from email address when replying)

Pilot's Assistant Home Page:
http://www.tooby.demon.co.uk/P_Assist_Home.html
!