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September 2, 2006 8:35:26 PM

Hi, I did a quick rebuild, specs below:

(Bold indicates new parts)

QDI Superb4FX
Pentium 4 2.8Ghz 533FSB (Socket 478)
Albatron GeForce 4 Ti 4600
2x512MB of Kingston Value DDR400
Maxtor 120GB
Lite-ON DVD Drive
Lite-ON CD-RW
Ultra X-Finity 500W

I fired it up. Cathode light comes on, GPU/CPU/PSU fans all spin, Hard Drive sounds like it is spinning, but no video. I get a blinking green light on the monitor. No beeps, as far as I have heard.

Tonight I'm reseating the memory and the GPU, not sure if that'll do any good, but worth a shot.

I plugged in just the monitor cable and the power, still no video.

Tried the monitor + cable in another computer, they work fine.

However noobish this sounds, the beeps on the motherboard are completey internal, correct? I've got a "BUZZER" on the motherboard, which takes care of it, right? I ask because my case has a cable that reads "SPEAKER", yet I cannot find a place for it on the motherboard. There is a CD-IN header, but I have a feeling it doesn't go there...

Another noobish question: Does the computer require the RESET SW, HD LED, etc.? I've got the POWER SW plugged in (duh!), but are the others needed for boot? I'll put them in tonight, just in case.

I've double checked all connections, 4-Pin for CPU, 20-Pin for motherboard, HD/CD1/CD2 IDE and Power, Case Fan, CPU Fan, even the cathode light....All I can think of, missing anything?

Thanks for any help!

~Ibrahim~

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September 2, 2006 8:58:24 PM

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Hi, I did a quick rebuild, specs below:

(Bold indicates new parts)

QDI Superb4FX
Pentium 4 2.8Ghz 533FSB (Socket 478)
Albatron GeForce 4 Ti 4600
2x512MB of Kingston Value DDR400
Maxtor 120GB
Lite-ON DVD Drive
Lite-ON CD-RW
Ultra X-Finity 500W

I fired it up. Cathode light comes on, GPU/CPU/PSU fans all spin, Hard Drive sounds like it is spinning, but no video. I get a blinking green light on the monitor. No beeps, as far as I have heard.

Tonight I'm reseating the memory and the GPU, not sure if that'll do any good, but worth a shot.

I plugged in just the monitor cable and the power, still no video.

Tried the monitor + cable in another computer, they work fine.

However noobish this sounds, the beeps on the motherboard are completey internal, correct? I've got a "BUZZER" on the motherboard, which takes care of it, right? I ask because my case has a cable that reads "SPEAKER", yet I cannot find a place for it on the motherboard. There is a CD-IN header, but I have a feeling it doesn't go there...

Another noobish question: Does the computer require the RESET SW, HD LED, etc.? I've got the POWER SW plugged in (duh!), but are the others needed for boot? I'll put them in tonight, just in case.

I've double checked all connections, 4-Pin for CPU, 20-Pin for motherboard, HD/CD1/CD2 IDE and Power, Case Fan, CPU Fan, even the cathode light....All I can think of, missing anything?

Thanks for any help!

~Ibrahim~


I read your post and apparently I'm not familiar with your MB, QDI? I have a socket 478 3.0 Prescott system I run everyday. Has a DFI 975 chip MB.

I kow your PSU is new. You could try a different PSU and see if that brings it to life. The other thing would be reset CMOS with the jumper or take the battery out and see if it decides to BE SOMETHIN'. :D 
September 2, 2006 11:39:27 PM

It is an uncommon brand. I'd never heard of it either. When I went to my local computer shop, long before I knew much about computers, they replaced my motherboard to fix some BSOD issues...I originally had a VIA motherboard, but now I'm stuck with this one. Here is the link for the new, if it helps any:

QDI Superb4 FX

Now I don't have the SATA nor the Firewire, but everything else should be the same.

Actually, I got the PSU to replace an old one. The old PSU died and the computer wouldn't boot. But now it boots with the new one, so I feel like it might be something else.

Being an uncommon brand, QDI doesn't have the manual for the jumpers, so I just took out the battery, waitied 10 minutes, popped it back in. Same symptoms...

I took out all the expansion cards minus the GPU, same thing.

I connected anything that I neglected the first time, like a case fan, but still nothing: Still looking at that blinking green light.

Quick question: I took the battery out, waited, and put it back in. Should I just take it out and try a boot? Can't be bad, can it?

I think I might have the problem, but I'm not sure. When I took the mobo out a few weeks ago, there were two pins touching, they looked like some type of a header. So, I bent them away, so they weren't touching. Should I bend them together again, so they are in contact? I mean, is there any reason for two pins to be touching each other like that, minus some type of mod? It says JAV above them, btw.

Thanks for the response!

~Ibrahim~
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September 3, 2006 12:26:29 AM

I was doing some basic troubleshooting and I took out the RAM and tried to boot. Same symptom, but isn't there supposed to be some kind of beep noise?

I feel kind of fishy about that speaker cable that is in the case. It connects to what looks like a tiny speaker inside the case, with the regular red/black speaker cables. That speaker doesn't make the POST beeps, does it? The beeps are entirely on the motherboard, right?

Thanks!

~Ibrahim~

:EDIT:

Have tried all 2-512MB combinations of memory. Feel like I can rule out bad memory. I have a good feeling it is one of those case connectors, for some reason. I've been browsing some self-help guides and they point out that these connectors may cause this exact issue. It'll take some time trying to figure out which way they go, but I'll get them one way or another.
September 3, 2006 1:34:36 AM

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It is an uncommon brand. I'd never heard of it either. When I went to my local computer shop, long before I knew much about computers, they replaced my motherboard to fix some BSOD issues...I originally had a VIA motherboard, but now I'm stuck with this one. Here is the link for the new, if it helps any:

QDI Superb4 FX

Now I don't have the SATA nor the Firewire, but everything else should be the same.

Actually, I got the PSU to replace an old one. The old PSU died and the computer wouldn't boot. But now it boots with the new one, so I feel like it might be something else.

Being an uncommon brand, QDI doesn't have the manual for the jumpers, so I just took out the battery, waitied 10 minutes, popped it back in. Same symptoms...

I took out all the expansion cards minus the GPU, same thing.

I connected anything that I neglected the first time, like a case fan, but still nothing: Still looking at that blinking green light.

Quick question: I took the battery out, waited, and put it back in. Should I just take it out and try a boot? Can't be bad, can it?

I think I might have the problem, but I'm not sure. When I took the mobo out a few weeks ago, there were two pins touching, they looked like some type of a header. So, I bent them away, so they weren't touching. Should I bend them together again, so they are in contact? I mean, is there any reason for two pins to be touching each other like that, minus some type of mod? It says JAV above them, btw.

Thanks for the response!

~Ibrahim~


The MB webpage says supports Northwod and Williamette, doesn't mention Prescott. Some serious notes there about RAM specs/amounts too. You are using Kingston value RAM. You never know, could be the RAM but my socket 478 Prescott loves the Kingston 400mhz. value RAM. I have 4 sticks in there 512 x 4 and it couldn't be happier. Won't run with Corsair xms! :D  I use the corsair in my ABIT board :wink:

The battery supplies power to your BIOS chip when the computer is turned off. I never thought about booting up into the BIOS wthout the battery. Damn thing will probably work! 8O
September 3, 2006 1:37:48 AM

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I was doing some basic troubleshooting and I took out the RAM and tried to boot. Same symptom, but isn't there supposed to be some kind of beep noise?

I feel kind of fishy about that speaker cable that is in the case. It connects to what looks like a tiny speaker inside the case, with the regular red/black speaker cables. That speaker doesn't make the POST beeps, does it? The beeps are entirely on the motherboard, right?

Thanks!

~Ibrahim~

:EDIT:


Have tried all 2-512MB combinations of memory. Feel like I can rule out bad memory. I have a good feeling it is one of those case connectors, for some reason. I've been browsing some self-help guides and they point out that these connectors may cause this exact issue. It'll take some time trying to figure out which way they go, but I'll get them one way or another.


No, I thought the speaker connected to the MB and made the beeps. If you can get it beeping at 'ya, I think you made it mad :p  It means it thinking about running pretty soon. That's what a beep means to me. Be Somethin'.
September 3, 2006 5:16:38 PM

I think it is a Northwood, wasn't Prescott for LGA775?

It is too fast to be a Williamette, didn't they stop around 2.0-2.2Ghz?

I tried booting without the battery, same thing.

Yeah, now after you said that I feel I can 100% rule out a memory issue.

Lol, I'll look for the plug for the speaker on the motherboard, but don't be too hopeful.

I'm still messing with the RESET SW, etc. to get them right. Damn it, that manual be useful right about now!

Thanks again!

~Ibrahim~
September 3, 2006 5:25:13 PM

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I think it is a Northwood, wasn't Prescott for LGA775?

It is too fast to be a Williamette, didn't they stop around 2.0-2.2Ghz?

I tried booting without the battery, same thing.

Yeah, now after you said that I feel I can 100% rule out a memory issue.

Lol, I'll look for the plug for the speaker on the motherboard, but don't be too hopeful.

I'm still messing with the RESET SW, etc. to get them right. Damn it, that manual be useful right about now!

Thanks again!

~Ibrahim~



Ikja if you suspect the MB, here is a system check to see if your MB is defective this courtesy of 440bx:

Disconnect everything from your motherboard except,

a. Power supply
b. PS2 Keyboard and PS2 Mouse.
c. Power Switch and Power light indicator
d. External speaker (if it uses it, I don't think it does but just in case)
e. CPU, heatsink and fan

In other words, there should not be any IDE cables plugged into the motherboard nor any other cable whatsoever for USB ports or any other interface provided by the motherboard. That also means, no video card or any other card on the motherboard. Nothing but what is explicitly listed above.

Note that the *memory* should *NOT* be on the motherboard either. Keep reading you'll know why.

Second,

Power your system ON.

You should hear your system emitting one long beep every other second. If it does not do that then your motherboard is defective (it is not detecting that there is no memory!)


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I think it is a Northwood, wasn't Prescott for LGA775?


I had the 3.0 Northwood socket 478 and it failed. Intel sent me a newer version of the 3.0 with 1024 L2 cache, the Northwood had 512 L2 cache. I'm still running the replacement Intel sent me.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?N=2000340...
September 3, 2006 5:40:48 PM

Awesome! I'll try the system sometime this afternoon, if not sooner.

I'm still looking for the manual, it is around here somewhere!

Looking around QDI's website, I can confirm that Prescotts will *not* work in this mobo...

Thanks yet again!

~Ibrahim~
September 3, 2006 6:40:34 PM

Have not found the manual, nor been able to do the test nor find out where this speaker plug goes, BUT I do hear one solitary beep a second or two after I turn it on now. I've got the RESET SW and the PWER LED working now as well. I can't get the HDD LED working, but I think the light on the case is busted. Come to think of it, I think I punched it out with a screwdriver. Or that might've been something else, lol..

So is the one beep good/bad? I can't make heads or tails of it. It is just one short beep, that is all. No pattern, not really long. It beeps just a few seconds after the fans spin. Seems to be coming from the PANEL plug area. Right around that area is says "BUZZER" with this black thing next to it.

Thanks again!

~Ibrahim~
September 3, 2006 6:49:10 PM

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Have not found the manual, nor been able to do the test nor find out where this speaker plug goes, BUT I do hear one solitary beep a second or two after I turn it on now. I've got the RESET SW and the PWER LED working now as well. I can't get the HDD LED working, but I think the light on the case is busted. Come to think of it, I think I punched it out with a screwdriver. Or that might've been something else, lol..

So is the one beep good/bad? I can't make heads or tails of it. It is just one short beep, that is all. No pattern, not really long. It beeps just a few seconds after the fans spin. Seems to be coming from the PANEL plug area. Right around that area is says "BUZZER" with this black thing next to it.

Thanks again!

~Ibrahim~


I remebered you saying something about the speaker, but if you are hearing one short beep that is normally what you want.

Which BIOS do you have? Maybe you can google BEEP CODES and find wha the beep sequences indicate? Like this for example:

http://www.amptron.com/html/bios.beepcodes.html
September 3, 2006 7:20:37 PM

Some MBs have a small piezo speaker (maybe 1-1.5cm in diameter, 0.5-1cm high) builtin - I think this is what you are hearing. No need to connect a case speaker cable in that situation. My current MB/case combo has the worst of both worlds: no piezo speaker builtin, no speaker in case!
Also, no need to connect any of the case "front panel" or audio cables in order to boot, you just have to momentarily bridge the 2 power-on-switch header pins to turn on the power (I've used a screwdriver blade). Just be careful not to bridge the wrong pair of pins!
September 3, 2006 7:22:08 PM

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.. Seems to be coming from the PANEL plug area. Right around that area is says "BUZZER" with this black thing next to it. ..

I think you've found the piezo "speaker"!
September 3, 2006 7:22:57 PM

Yeah, there is literally a little speaker on the case with the same black/red wires that my regular speakers user. It has four-slot connector, similar to the floppy, but only has two wires going into it.

I'm certain it is Phoenix. Everytime it booted, I'd see Phoenix Award or something. Can't seem to find one "beep" under the table.

I've listened to it again and it seems to be around that area, but a bit closer to the hard drive cage.

Yeah, thinking about it now, it sounds just like it did before the PSU died. I've got the noises down pat after I turned it on thousands of times before when it was working.

Still no video! So annoying. I'm gonna look around for my old PCI card. Maybe it'll work with that.

Any other ideas?

Thanks!

~Ibrahim~
September 3, 2006 7:25:56 PM

So I've got the right pattern of beeps then, thanks Mondoman!

Ah, I can just bridge them? I'll try that. That reminds me. I'm going to bridge these two pins I mentioned earlier, JAV or something. They were bent together when it was working, but after I took it out after it broke, I seperated them. Just might do it. Thanks for the screwdriver blade idea, thanks!

~Ibrahim~
September 3, 2006 7:26:36 PM

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...Yeah, thinking about it now, it sounds just like it did before the PSU died. ...

So you replaced the PS because the old one died? Could the old PS have damaged the MB or video in its death throes?
September 3, 2006 7:27:40 PM

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Any other ideas?


Since the MB is new and untested, you might reset the CMOS jumper. I wonder how new, or old that board is and what BIOS ver. it has. Surely it would support your 2.8 processor. You could maybe take the battery out also.
September 3, 2006 7:30:05 PM

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Any other ideas?


Since the MB is new and untested, ...
Isn't it just the same MB he has been using for a long time? I thought from the original post that the only new item was the PS.
September 3, 2006 7:39:42 PM

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Any other ideas?


Since the MB is new and untested, ...
Isn't it just the same MB he has been using for a long time? I thought from the original post that the only new item was the PS.

Apparently so. I have never heard of it. Maybe that's why I thought it was new. Maybe He should reseat the video card and recheck all the plug ins from the power supply.
September 3, 2006 7:51:31 PM

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So I've got the right pattern of beeps then, thanks Mondoman!

Ah, I can just bridge them? I'll try that. That reminds me. I'm going to bridge these two pins I mentioned earlier, JAV or something. They were bent together when it was working, but after I took it out after it broke, I seperated them. Just might do it. Thanks for the screwdriver blade idea, thanks!

~Ibrahim~


I just recall I swapped out the PSU on one of three MSI Socket 754 boards a few months ago. The thing would not post. I switched the RAM around between Kingsron, Corsair and even Infineon. I cant remember what stick finally booted up, but I do remember I had set the memory timings and other things in the BIOS prior to swapping things around. Really, I don't know, but by messing around with the RAM I got it to boot up. I'm using the Infenion in that computer in one of the offices right now. Do you have any other stick of RAM besides the Kingston to try?
September 3, 2006 9:04:42 PM

Thanks for the responses..

Yeah, this is the same board that I used and it has worked. Not worked good, but at least it worked.

I've thought that it might have taken a few components, but it wasn't really a violent death. Turned it off one day, didn't turn on the next. I don't think he was in any pain or anything when it happened. lol, jk, but it is a possibility. I'm a very optimistic guy, though.

Actually, I have one stick of PC2100 that I could try. Maybe that is it. Thanks again!

~Ibrahim~
September 3, 2006 9:40:46 PM

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Thanks for the responses..

Yeah, this is the same board that I used and it has worked. Not worked good, but at least it worked.

I've thought that it might have taken a few components, but it wasn't really a violent death. Turned it off one day, didn't turn on the next. I don't think he was in any pain or anything when it happened. lol, jk, but it is a possibility. I'm a very optimistic guy, though.

Actually, I have one stick of PC2100 that I could try. Maybe that is it. Thanks again!

~Ibrahim~


Yeah, I created a bit of confusion about the MB, but we were discussing it because it was a rare make and somehow I just thought it was new. New to me anyway. So, it looks like something may have been damaged when the old PSU died out. That could be tricky to solve without some spare parts to experiment with. I just sold my spare ABIT socket 478 865PE board to one of my son's friends Sold it for practically nothing and built it for him in it's entirety too. Then I saw the board on Newegg for almost $100! LOL!
September 3, 2006 9:51:25 PM

Well, I tried all three sticks (2 old ones, which I pulled from the Dell and a new one I found somewhere) in all three different slots. Nothing, nada. Still looking at that blinking light.

I'm good friends with a computer guy downtown, he is loaded with spare parts. Maybe he and I can switch out some parts and see what we get.

I bent those JAV pins back, nothing.

Now the motherboard has seven holes to screw it into the motherboard. I only had six standoffs and I skipped the one near the GPU. That one doesn't have a standoff nor screw. I'm sure the motherboard is not touching the bottom of the case. Is this OK?

Any other ideas?

Thanks again!

~Ibrahim~
September 3, 2006 10:33:35 PM

I just remembered that I had turned the hard drive to Slave a few months ago to get some files off. I set it to Master: Nothing...

Was sure that was it! :( 

~Ibrahim~
September 3, 2006 11:00:42 PM

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Well, I tried all three sticks (2 old ones, which I pulled from the Dell and a new one I found somewhere) in all three different slots. Nothing, nada. Still looking at that blinking light.

I'm good friends with a computer guy downtown, he is loaded with spare parts. Maybe he and I can switch out some parts and see what we get.

I bent those JAV pins back, nothing.

Now the motherboard has seven holes to screw it into the motherboard. I only had six standoffs and I skipped the one near the GPU. That one doesn't have a standoff nor screw. I'm sure the motherboard is not touching the bottom of the case. Is this OK?

Any other ideas?

Thanks again!

~Ibrahim~


Did you take the MB completely out of the case and then reinstall it? If the MB shorts out to the case usually you get nothing. No power on. How about when you installed the new PSU. Did you knock the video card loose? Reseat the video card. How about any 4 pin or 6 pin 12v connector from the PSU to the MB to power the CPU? Beginning to look like the MB was taken out with the old power supply.

You could try and unplug everything except the CPU fan and try it without power to the optical/hard drives/case fans etc.
September 3, 2006 11:58:59 PM

Back to the beeps. One short beeb a few seconds after you hit the power is a good thing. That beeb signels that the power on self test (POST) passed. Any other beeps will indicate one of many problems.

My quick judgement would be that your card or agp port are shot. The best way to test this is with a pci gpu. If you happen to have an old computer around it might have one. I use one from an old P2 for testing. Otherwise you may want to pick up a cheap one to test with.

If you get video with the pci card you will need to check your agp card in another system.
September 4, 2006 12:56:20 AM

Yeah. I completey uninstalled the computer because I could not pinpoint where that horrid smell was. PSU was, unfortunately, the last thing I took out.

The GPU was a mother to get out. Well it was until I found that it has a lock. I did some pretty hard yanking, could that have done something? I checked out the pins on the bottom, all are fine scratch and bent-free.

I've got a 4-pin in there right now. The PSU has an 8-pin, but that won't go anywhere in the motherboard. Aren't those 6-pin power connectors for GPUs?

From the PSU, I've got a total of five 4-pin molexes connected: Two for the CD drives, one for my hard drive, one for my case fan, and one more for my cathode light. Then I've got one 20-pin for the motherboard and one more 4-pin (Square, 2 by 2, not long 4 by 1 Molex type) for the CPU. GPU doesn't require power. Then I've got the data cables for the CD drives on one IDE channel and the hard drive on the other channel. Then the case headers and the CPU fan. Did I miss any connections?

I'm going to put the HDD LED in. I flipped the hard drive cable as well. I'm going to try first to try to boot without the drives and then just give power to the CPU fan.

After the computer is running I immeadiately shut it off. The heatsink for the CPU doesn't feel hot at all. And this is *right* after turning it off. Nothing, not even slightly warm. Room Temperature, I could go as far to say slightly below room temperature. Actually, the CPU had one bent pin, but I fixed it. Could it be bad? I checked, it doesn't look burnt at all. Smells fine. I'll reseat the CPU as well, maybe not tonight, though.

So things to do:

Plug in HDD LED. Check.

Plug in everything minus optical drives. Check.

Plug in everything BUT the CPU fan. Check.

Reseat CPU. Check.

Find PCI GPU (I've got an ATI Rage card somewhere). Check.

I'll try to do as many of these tonight as possible, but I've got to sleep early for an early morning appointment. Thanks!

~Ibrahim~
September 4, 2006 2:39:03 AM

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Yeah. I completey uninstalled the computer because I could not pinpoint where that horrid smell was. PSU was, unfortunately, the last thing I took out.


So something burned. The problem lies there.

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The GPU was a mother to get out. Well it was until I found that it has a lock. I did some pretty hard yanking, could that have done something? I checked out the pins on the bottom, all are fine scratch and bent-free.


That's why I said you should reset the GPU. Yeah, you bend parts of the GPU as well as the MB when you force it. I'm bad at letting screw drivers slip unless I pay a lot of money for something, then I take my time :D 

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I've got a 4-pin in there right now. The PSU has an 8-pin, but that won't go anywhere in the motherboard. Aren't those 6-pin power connectors for GPUs?


Yeah you have the same PSU I have. The 6 pins are for SLI setup for the dual GPU's. Not sure where you have the 4 pin. Can't remember, but either the 8 pin comes apart or you can get an adapter and use a 4 pin. I a little lost here about exactly what you mean.

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From the PSU, I've got a total of five 4-pin molexes connected: Two for the CD drives, one for my hard drive, one for my case fan, and one more for my cathode light.


This is the stuff I start unplugging when I have a problem booting up.

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Then I've got one 20-pin for the motherboard and one more 4-pin (Square, 2 by 2, not long 4 by 1 Molex type) for the CPU.


Yeah, the 12v for the CPU.

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GPU doesn't require power.


Right.

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Then I've got the data cables for the CD drives on one IDE channel and the hard drive on the other channel.


Right. I would unlug the CD's and the HD's too if I had trouble booting up.

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Then the case headers and the CPU fan. Did I miss any connections?


No. Just make sure you have all the plugs plugged in connectiong tightly.

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I'm going to put the HDD LED in. I flipped the hard drive cable as well. I'm going to try first to try to boot without the drives and then just give power to the CPU fan.


Yeah, you won't need the hard drive to get into the BIOS. You need the hard drive when you are ready to load up you OS.

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After the computer is running I immeadiately shut it off. The heatsink for the CPU doesn't feel hot at all. And this is *right* after turning it off. Nothing, not even slightly warm. Room Temperature, I could go as far to say slightly below room temperature. Actually, the CPU had one bent pin, but I fixed it. Could it be bad?


It's apossibility. You are sure the CPU fit correctly into the socket? Yeah, if that one pin bent and didn't fit into the socket it would cause the problem.

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I checked, it doesn't look burnt at all. Smells fine. I'll reseat the CPU as well, maybe not tonight, though.


Yeah, see if that bent pin bent again.

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So things to do:

Plug in everything BUT the CPU fan


Don't do that! 8O It'll be smelling funny again.
September 4, 2006 1:41:16 PM

Yeah, I'm going to get the AGP card out and give it a through cleaning. I'll blow some of that compressed air inside the slot as well. I'll reseat it one more time.

Well, mine came with an 8-pin and a 4-pin. I tried getting the 8-pin, but it won't fit. The 4-pin fits in just fine. The 8-pin comes apart? I'll try that thanks!

All right, I'll start disconnecting the opticals, then the HDD.

So should I unplug both the power and data for the drives?

I'll take out the PSU and try again from the beginning. Maybe I'll find a cable that wasn't in all the way, but I've reseated the important ones: Molex for drives, 20-pin, and the 4-pin for CPU, case headers, and the CPU fan.

Oh, so the hard drive isn't required for the BIOS? I might as well take it our for now, then.

I'm sure it is is good. It took some time getting the pin straight, but then after a few minutes I put it on top of the socket, pushed the ZIF latch done and it went straight in, perfectly flat. But I'm going to do a little mini-rebuild and I'll reseat it.

lol, I'll make sure I *don't* do that one!

Thanks!

~Ibrahim~
September 4, 2006 1:54:33 PM

OK. Reseated GPU so far. Left lock unlocked this time. Same thing. Will lock in future testing.

Trying the 8-pin thing now in a minute.

~Ibrahim~
September 4, 2006 2:08:48 PM

All right. I tried the 8-pin thing. I pushed and pulled. That thing does not come apart. I reseated the four-pin for the CPU. Same results.

Now I'm starting to disconnect drives. Removing IDE from motherboard and power from Optical drives now. Hard drive is next.

~Ibrahim~

EDIT: Have also learned computer will not boot with CMOS jumper in CLR position.
September 4, 2006 2:22:45 PM

Have removed all IDE devices, data and power.

For some reason, I don't hear the beep anymore. This was right after I disconnected the Optical drives. Then I tested. Didn't hear the beep. Disconnected HDD. Tested. No beep.

Tests have come up, yet again, negative. Nothing. Still looking at the blinking light on the monitor. Reconnecting IDE devices and searching for PCI GPU and reseating of, well, everything.

~Ibrahim~
September 4, 2006 5:32:40 PM

You should check if your board has any led based indications for post problems. I know many MSI boards have this. They give a little four light code rather then the normal beeps.

This is a K7 setup? I busted one of my old boards when the screw driver sliped trying to get the HSF on. You couldn't tell looking at the board but now it always tells me that I have a bad CPU. Luckly I had anther board to test with.

Make sure you use new thermal compound everytime you reseat the cpu. Most boards will restart if the temp gets to hot and a CPU can get to hot instantly if you don't have a HS on it.

The four pin power might not be for the cpu. I think the cpu molex should be labled as P4. Some (most) newer PSUs have a 20 + 4 pin connection to meet the 2.0 standard. I think that connection has 2 12v pins and 2 grounds. Where the older P4 was a lower voltage (around 3v) for CPU. I also seem to remember that you can get them to fit in the wrong spots.

To post and get into the bios you should only need power switch, a CPU, RAM, keyboard, and graphics. This is also the order you should install. Connect the power and power up the system. You should get a beep code for bad or missing cpu. Next put in the ram and test...

You should connect your graphics to an old fashion CRT if you have one. My old card I use for testing doesn't seem to work with my LCD so I test with a CRT alsomst as old.

One more thing to check is any jumpers you have on the board. If you left the reset cmos jumper bridged and power up the system you can fry the BIOS.

Sorry about the randomness of the post.
September 4, 2006 6:58:59 PM

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Have removed all IDE devices, data and power.

For some reason, I don't hear the beep anymore. This was right after I disconnected the Optical drives. Then I tested. Didn't hear the beep. Disconnected HDD. Tested. No beep.

Tests have come up, yet again, negative. Nothing. Still looking at the blinking light on the monitor. Reconnecting IDE devices and searching for PCI GPU and reseating of, well, everything.

~Ibrahim~


Sounds like the MB has sustained some damage when the old PSU gave out. Here is a test courtesy of 440bx to test if your MB is bad. I may have posted this before.

Disconnect everything from your motherboard except,

a. Power supply
b. PS2 Keyboard and PS2 Mouse.
c. Power Switch and Power light indicator
d. External speaker (if it uses it, I don't think it does but just in case)
e. CPU, heatsink and fan

In other words, there should not be any IDE cables plugged into the motherboard nor any other cable whatsoever for USB ports or any other interface provided by the motherboard. That also means, no video card or any other card on the motherboard. Nothing but what is explicitly listed above.

Note that the *memory* should *NOT* be on the motherboard either. Keep reading you'll know why.

Second,

Power your system ON.

You should hear your system emitting one long beep every other second. If it does not do that then your motherboard is defective (it is not detecting that there is no memory!)
September 4, 2006 8:17:02 PM

I looked all over, the only LED on the motherboard is just that regular one.

No, this is a P4 setup.Well, I haven't slipped a screwdriver, but I'll look for anything of the sort.

Well, I don't have any compound on. Isn't compound just recommended? I have just the HS/F and the CPU. Yeah, I make sure that the CPU fan is spinning.

Well, I have a 20-pin and a seperate four pin for my CPU. The voltage on the CPU says 1.525....

I've twisted the four-pin a few times, it only seems to go in one way. Thanks!

@badge

I rebuilt the system one more time, this time from scratch. Still nothing. I did fine one pin at like a 80 degree angle and fixed that one on the CPU. I guess this must point to some defective hardware. Now the hard part is just finding out what exactly died.

I'm going to try the test you mentioned, but I might have a bit of trouble with part B. The Mouse/KB PS2 plugs on this motherboard don't always seem to work. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. Should I plug in my USB one or just none at all?

Quick question: Would the motherboard LED indicator still be on for a defective motherboard? Mine is on, just wondering...

This motherboard was never really a good motherboard. Half the time half of the I/O ports wouldn't work, the other half none of the I/O ports worked at all.

Also, the beeps are back! I hear it again, the one quick beep.

I'm going to try the test, thanks!

~Ibrahim~
September 4, 2006 8:51:04 PM

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I'm going to try the test you mentioned, but I might have a bit of trouble with part B. The Mouse/KB PS2 plugs on this motherboard don't always seem to work. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. Should I plug in my USB one or just none at all?


Sounds like the MB has some problems. I would try and plug in the serial mouse first, then the usb version if I could not determine the test result.


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Quick question: Would the motherboard LED indicator still be on for a defective motherboard? Mine is on, just wondering...


Yeah, the power is running through the MB, but the MB is not functioning right it appaears.

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Also, the beeps are back! I hear it again, the one quick beep.


Yeah that one beep is a positive sign, then othing seems to go right from there. :roll:
September 4, 2006 10:14:38 PM

OK, I did the test. No beeps!

But then I had a weird idea. Plugged in just the hard drives power. I heard the beep again. :(  Aren't I a Grade-A sucker?

Sigh...What do you know? A beep from the hard drive.

My motherboard has the piezo speaker thing right? In the circled red, that is the speaker right?



I plugged everything in, EXCEPT for the hard drive's power. No beeps. Maybe the speaker doesn't work? I'm looking all over, I can't find the four pin plug on the motherboard for the cases speakers... The only four-pin thing that is remotely related to audio is this thing that says CD_IN. Tried it both ways, nothing...

Badge, I noticed your motherboard doesn't have an onboard motherboard speaker. Where is your case speaker plugged in, like a general location?

Thanks!

~Ibrahim~
September 4, 2006 10:35:00 PM

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OK, I did the test. No beeps!


Then this means the MB is bad, not recognizing there is no RAM present.

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But then I had a weird idea. Plugged in just the hard drives power. I heard the beep again. :(  Aren't I a Grade-A sucker?

Sigh...What do you know? A beep from the hard drive.


You get the one beep because the MB signals it is starting the POST test. My explanation. Bt the board is bad because when it detects there is no RAM, it gives no signal so.

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My motherboard has the piezo speaker thing right? In the circled red, that is the speaker right?


Not familiar, but I would guess yes. Gotta be beeping from somewhere if no speaker is attached.


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Badge, I noticed your motherboard doesn't have an onboard motherboard speaker. Where is your case speaker plugged in, like a general location?


My board has a jumper for an external speaker. It's on the system's panel connector and designated speaker. The speaker is in the case and has the wire with connector running from it.

Looks like you'll have to look to your friend to test out your parts with another MB to see what's good and what's not.
September 4, 2006 10:35:46 PM

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Well, I don't have any compound on. Isn't compound just recommended? I have just the HS/F and the CPU. Yeah, I make sure that the CPU fan is spinning.


Without thermal compound it is almost as bad as not using a HSF at all. This could be the cause of many of your problems.

What badge said is right the single LED on the board just indicates that there is power to the board. It can continue to work even when other parts of the board don't.

Geting the single short beep back is a great thing. Now you need to get the pci gpu instaled.

Don't wory about a mouse yet. It won't do anything until you get back into a gui.

You said this was a cheap board to start with. You may want to just give up and go for a new one. They can be had for under $50 if you buy online.
September 4, 2006 10:44:45 PM

Yes, that's your speaker. Since the MB has one built in, there likely is no connector for a case speaker. Your hard drive isn't beeping, but having it plugged in might be making the MB beep.
Go ahead and try the 440bx test, but it sounds like it's time for a new MB.
September 4, 2006 10:46:25 PM

That is the speaker. If it isn't beaping when you leave out a key peice of equipment you can bet the board is bad.
September 4, 2006 10:53:10 PM

Well, when I unplugged the hard drive the beep went away, but when I plugged it in the beeps came back. Doesn't that mean the beeps are coming from the hard drive, NOT from the motherboard?

Here is what I'm confused about. If I plug everything in like it is supposed to be, I get a beep. Not exactly sure where that beep is coming from, but you'll see why I think it is the hard drive. Then when I do the test Badge mentioned, I get no beeps. But if I just plug in the hard drive, with the RAM, GPU, etc. all OUT, I get the beep. So it is like this:

RAM+CPU+GPU+CD DRIVES+HARD DRIVE=One Beep
CPU=No beeps
CPU+HARD DRIVE=One Beep

Whenever the hard drive is in, it beeps...

Isn't it safe to say it is the hard drive making the beeps?

I opened up the case, I feel very certain it is the hard drive with this beep...Of course, the hard drive is right next to the case speaker. BUT that speaker isn't plugged it, can't be making any noise.

I'll try to get it to the guy at the store sometime this week.

~Ibrahim~
September 4, 2006 11:02:18 PM

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Well, when I unplugged the hard drive the beep went away, but when I plugged it in the beeps came back. Doesn't that mean the beeps are coming from the hard drive area?

I believe you are getting a beep with the HD plugged in because the system begins the POST test. Your hard drive doesn't beep. It is that small MB speaker beeping.

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I have no idea why it isn't beeping without it plugged in. Is there any reason why it wouldn't beep?


The HD is detected when it is plugged in and the POST test is initiated. However, if you do the 440bx test you get no beeps. You should get beeps with the MB signifying no RAM detected.

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I'll try to get it to the guy at the store sometime this week.


Yeah, you will need another MB and troubleshoot from there with your other parts. Sounds like the MB was giving signs of having problems before the PSU issue.
September 4, 2006 11:08:44 PM

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Sounds like the MB was giving signs of having problems before the PSU issue.


Ain't that the truth! God, I'd love to have the USB ports on the motherboard actually work. The ethernet port be nice too, if possible. Those kyeboard and mouse ports be a great touch, as well.

~Ibrahim~
September 4, 2006 11:10:26 PM

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Sounds like the MB was giving signs of having problems before the PSU issue.


Ain't that the truth! God, I'd love to have the USB ports on the motherboard actually work. The ethernet port be nice too, if possible. Those kyeboard and mouse ports be a great touch, as well.

~Ibrahim~

You did reset the jumper and default the BIOS right?
September 4, 2006 11:29:26 PM

Snap! I can't remember. I'll do it again, anyways.

Since I'm not sure about the jumper settings, can I just take the battery out, wait a while, and put it back in? That resets it, right?

~Ibrahim~
September 4, 2006 11:41:39 PM

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Snap! I can't remember. I'll do it again, anyways.

Since I'm not sure about the jumper settings, can I just take the battery out, wait a while, and put it back in? That resets it, right?

~Ibrahim~


Yes, that should reset the BIOS to default. Normally you can find the CMOS jumper and move it over one pin then back to default and that resets it. Go ahead and take the battery out anyway. That battery might be bad if it's been in there like 5 or 6 years.
September 5, 2006 12:35:32 AM

Really? F, I've had this thing since beginning of '01. I haven't changed it. You don't think that could be it? All these problems? I hope so, because that is easy to fix!

~Ibrahim~
September 5, 2006 12:50:24 AM

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Really? F, I've had this thing since beginning of '01. I haven't changed it. You don't think that could be it? All these problems? I hope so, because that is easy to fix!

~Ibrahim~


If you have a drug store nearby they might have one.
September 5, 2006 2:01:14 AM

Got it. I'll try to get one tommorow or possibly Wednesday.

~Ibrahim~
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