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Anonymous
May 15, 2005 7:31:53 PM

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Anonymous
May 18, 2005 10:14:02 AM

Archived from groups: alt.games.creatures (More info?)

On 2005-05-15, Thomas J. Boschloo <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid> wrote:
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Looks like you posted it in AGC after all. I'll have to go and decrypt
that later... But you are right - encrypted posts are kinda defying the
idea behin usenet.
--
emmel <the_emmel*you-know-what-that's-for*@gmx.net>
(Don't forget to remove the ** bit)

Official AGC feedback maniac

"God is playing creatures - and we're the norns."

"A hundred dead are a tragedy - a hundred thousand are statistics."

"I guess you can call yourself lucky." -
"I could, but Linda suits me a little better... :) 
Things called lucky tend to get hit by trucks."

Hi, I'm a .sig virus. Just copy me to your .signature. And don't worry.
Anonymous
May 20, 2005 9:36:56 PM

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emmel wrote:
> On 2005-05-15, Thomas J. Boschloo <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid> wrote:
>
>>-----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE-----
>
>
> <snip>
>
>>-----END PGP MESSAGE-----
>
>
> Looks like you posted it in AGC after all. I'll have to go and decrypt
> that later... But you are right - encrypted posts are kinda defying the
> idea behin usenet.

Seems my newsserver drops it though..
Still, the encrypted contents would have been OT in AGC but I didn't
want take our e-mail discussion into this group without first asking
you.. I come from APA-S where the newsgroup is often the only way to
reach some pseudonym! We had e.g. Stray Cat who had a sig stating that
his nym could not be replied to directly.. (but you could use his PGP
key to send encrypted messages to AAM with Attn: Stray Cat in the Subject)..

Thomas
--
"I don't know, it just seems to be so incredibly beautiful. It's magic."
- emmel, alt.games.creatures, may 2005
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Anonymous
May 21, 2005 4:11:04 PM

Archived from groups: alt.games.creatures (More info?)

And when it was 2005-05-20, illusion
<428e04bb$0$771$3a628fcd@reader10.nntp.hccnet.nl> was created,
stating that Thomas J. Boschloo <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid>
uttered in alt.games.creatures:

> emmel wrote:
>> On 2005-05-15, Thomas J. Boschloo <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>-----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE-----
>>
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>>-----END PGP MESSAGE-----
>>
>>
>> Looks like you posted it in AGC after all. I'll have to go and decrypt
>> that later... But you are right - encrypted posts are kinda defying the
>> idea behin usenet.
>
> Seems my newsserver drops it though..
> Still, the encrypted contents would have been OT in AGC but I didn't

Not really. No more than the others.

> want take our e-mail discussion into this group without first asking
> you.. I come from APA-S where the newsgroup is often the only way to

APA-S?

> reach some pseudonym! We had e.g. Stray Cat who had a sig stating that
> his nym could not be replied to directly.. (but you could use his PGP
> key to send encrypted messages to AAM with Attn: Stray Cat in the Subject)..
>
> Thomas

AAM?
Anyway, theres a good reason for the existence of mail addys. Oh, BTW
the PGP key of 'Stray Cat' should actually feature a valid e-mail
address.
--
emmel <the_emmel*you-know-what-that's-for*@gmx.net>
(Don't forget to remove the ** bit)

Official AGC feedback maniac

"God is playing creatures - and we're the norns."

"A hundred dead are a tragedy - a hundred thousand are statistics."

"I guess you can call yourself lucky." -
"I could, but Linda suits me a little better... :) 
Things called lucky tend to get hit by trucks."

Hi, I'm a .sig virus. Just copy me to your .signature. And don't worry.
Anonymous
May 21, 2005 8:03:55 PM

Archived from groups: alt.games.creatures (More info?)

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emmel wrote:
> And when it was 2005-05-20, illusion
> <428e04bb$0$771$3a628fcd@reader10.nntp.hccnet.nl> was created,
> stating that Thomas J. Boschloo <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid>
> uttered in alt.games.creatures:
>
>
>>emmel wrote:
>>
>>>On 2005-05-15, Thomas J. Boschloo <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>-----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE-----
>>>
>>>
>>><snip>
>>>
>>>>-----END PGP MESSAGE-----
>>>
>>>
>>>Looks like you posted it in AGC after all. I'll have to go and decrypt
>>>that later... But you are right - encrypted posts are kinda defying the
>>>idea behin usenet.
>>
>>Seems my newsserver drops it though..
>>Still, the encrypted contents would have been OT in AGC but I didn't
>
>
> Not really. No more than the others.
>
>
>>want take our e-mail discussion into this group without first asking
>>you.. I come from APA-S where the newsgroup is often the only way to
>
>
> APA-S?

alt.privacy.anon-server, it's mainly about anonymous remailers
<http://mixmaster.sourceforge.net&gt;/<http://tor.freehaven.net&gt;

>>reach some pseudonym! We had e.g. Stray Cat who had a sig stating that
>>his nym could not be replied to directly.. (but you could use his PGP
>>key to send encrypted messages to AAM with Attn: Stray Cat in the Subject)..
>>
>>Thomas
>
>
> AAM?
> Anyway, theres a good reason for the existence of mail addys. Oh, BTW
> the PGP key of 'Stray Cat' should actually feature a valid e-mail
> address.

alt.anonymous.messages, nym reply blocks may end there (pgp encrypted to
your nyms pgp key).

Stray Cat had a nym at nym.alias.net but he had to disable it because of
abuse to it.

Regs,
Thomas (sorry about the page numbers)
- --
"I don't know, it just seems to be so incredibly beautiful. It's magic."
- - emmel, alt.games.creatures, may 2005
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Anonymous
May 22, 2005 4:48:00 PM

Archived from groups: alt.games.creatures (More info?)

And when it was 2005-05-21, illusion
<428f45ed$0$778$3a628fcd@reader20.nntp.hccnet.nl> was created,
stating that Thomas J. Boschloo <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid>
uttered in alt.games.creatures:

>
> emmel wrote:
>> And when it was 2005-05-20, illusion
>> <428e04bb$0$771$3a628fcd@reader10.nntp.hccnet.nl> was created,
>> stating that Thomas J. Boschloo <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid>
>> uttered in alt.games.creatures:
>>
>>
>>>emmel wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 2005-05-15, Thomas J. Boschloo <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>-----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE-----
>>>>
>>>>
>>>><snip>
>>>>
>>>>>-----END PGP MESSAGE-----
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Looks like you posted it in AGC after all. I'll have to go and decrypt
>>>>that later... But you are right - encrypted posts are kinda defying the
>>>>idea behin usenet.
>>>
>>>Seems my newsserver drops it though..
>>>Still, the encrypted contents would have been OT in AGC but I didn't
>>
>>
>> Not really. No more than the others.
>>
>>
>>>want take our e-mail discussion into this group without first asking
>>>you.. I come from APA-S where the newsgroup is often the only way to
>>
>>
>> APA-S?
>
> alt.privacy.anon-server, it's mainly about anonymous remailers
><http://mixmaster.sourceforge.net&gt;/<http://tor.freehaven.net&gt;

Private remailers are *bad*.

>>>reach some pseudonym! We had e.g. Stray Cat who had a sig stating that
>>>his nym could not be replied to directly.. (but you could use his PGP
>>>key to send encrypted messages to AAM with Attn: Stray Cat in the Subject)..
>>>
>>>Thomas
>>
>>
>> AAM?
>> Anyway, theres a good reason for the existence of mail addys. Oh, BTW
>> the PGP key of 'Stray Cat' should actually feature a valid e-mail
>> address.
>
> alt.anonymous.messages, nym reply blocks may end there (pgp encrypted to
> your nyms pgp key).
>
> Stray Cat had a nym at nym.alias.net but he had to disable it because of
> abuse to it.

I don't believe in anonymous messages. Privacy - now that's a completely
different thing.

> Regs,
> Thomas (sorry about the page numbers)

Never mind. I just though I should let you know.
--
emmel <the_emmel*you-know-what-that's-for*@gmx.net>
(Don't forget to remove the ** bit)

Official AGC feedback maniac

"God is playing creatures - and we're the norns."

"A hundred dead are a tragedy - a hundred thousand are statistics."

"I guess you can call yourself lucky." -
"I could, but Linda suits me a little better... :) 
Things called lucky tend to get hit by trucks."

Hi, I'm a .sig virus. Just copy me to your .signature. And don't worry.
Anonymous
May 22, 2005 7:52:33 PM

Archived from groups: alt.games.creatures (More info?)

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emmel wrote:
<snip>
> I don't believe in anonymous messages. Privacy - now that's a completely
> different thing.

How would you feel if DeCSS was posted through the remailer network?

Thomas
- --
"I don't know, it just seems to be so incredibly beautiful. It's magic."
- - emmel, alt.games.creatures, may 2005
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Anonymous
May 23, 2005 3:39:00 PM

Archived from groups: alt.games.creatures (More info?)

On 2005-05-22, Thomas J. Boschloo <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid> wrote:
>
> emmel wrote:
><snip>
>> I don't believe in anonymous messages. Privacy - now that's a completely
>> different thing.
>
> How would you feel if DeCSS was posted through the remailer network?

What's DeCSS?
--
emmel <the_emmel*you-know-what-that's-for*@gmx.net>
(Don't forget to remove the ** bit)

Official AGC feedback maniac

"God is playing creatures - and we're the norns."

"A hundred dead are a tragedy - a hundred thousand are statistics."

"I guess you can call yourself lucky." -
"I could, but Linda suits me a little better... :) 
Things called lucky tend to get hit by trucks."

Hi, I'm a .sig virus. Just copy me to your .signature. And don't worry.
Anonymous
May 27, 2005 10:13:19 PM

Archived from groups: alt.games.creatures (More info?)

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emmel wrote:
> On 2005-05-22, Thomas J. Boschloo <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid> wrote:
>
>>emmel wrote:
>><snip>
>>
>>>I don't believe in anonymous messages. Privacy - now that's a completely
>>>different thing.
>>
>>How would you feel if DeCSS was posted through the remailer network?
>
>
> What's DeCSS?

What's DeCSS? Who is Jon Johansen? You're on *nix right? DeCSS allows
you to see DVD movies on your laptop in *nix. That is what DeCSS is
<http://www.slyck.com/news.php?story=733&gt;

Where have you been all these years? You must have been reading too much
AGC or something!

Thomas
- --
"I don't know, it just seems to be so incredibly beautiful. It's magic."
- - emmel, alt.games.creatures, may 2005
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Anonymous
May 30, 2005 2:58:00 PM

Archived from groups: alt.games.creatures (More info?)

On 2005-05-27, Thomas J. Boschloo <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid> wrote:
>
> emmel wrote:
>> On 2005-05-22, Thomas J. Boschloo <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>emmel wrote:
>>><snip>
>>>
>>>>I don't believe in anonymous messages. Privacy - now that's a completely
>>>>different thing.
>>>
>>>How would you feel if DeCSS was posted through the remailer network?
>>
>>
>> What's DeCSS?
>
> What's DeCSS? Who is Jon Johansen? You're on *nix right? DeCSS allows
> you to see DVD movies on your laptop in *nix. That is what DeCSS is
><http://www.slyck.com/news.php?story=733&gt;

You know, I use *libdvdcss* and that for years.
And I still don't get your point.

> Where have you been all these years? You must have been reading too much
> AGC or something!

Who knows?
--
emmel <the_emmel*you-know-what-that's-for*@gmx.net>
(Don't forget to remove the ** bit)

Official AGC feedback maniac

"God is playing creatures - and we're the norns."

"A hundred dead are a tragedy - a hundred thousand are statistics."

"I guess you can call yourself lucky." -
"I could, but Linda suits me a little better... :) 
Things called lucky tend to get hit by trucks."

Hi, I'm a .sig virus. Just copy me to your .signature. And don't worry.
Anonymous
June 4, 2005 2:52:25 AM

Archived from groups: alt.games.creatures (More info?)

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emmel wrote:
> On 2005-05-27, Thomas J. Boschloo <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid> wrote:
>
>>emmel wrote:
>>
>>>On 2005-05-22, Thomas J. Boschloo <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>emmel wrote:
>>>><snip>
>>>>
>>>>>I don't believe in anonymous messages. Privacy - now that's a completely
>>>>>different thing.
>>>>
>>>>How would you feel if DeCSS was posted through the remailer network?
>>>
>>>
>>>What's DeCSS?
>>
>>What's DeCSS? Who is Jon Johansen? You're on *nix right? DeCSS allows
>>you to see DVD movies on your laptop in *nix. That is what DeCSS is
>><http://www.slyck.com/news.php?story=733&gt;
>
>
> You know, I use *libdvdcss* and that for years.
> And I still don't get your point.

It is illegal in the US and Europe to reverse engineer copy protections.
That is why www.elby.de stopped supplying CloneCD from Germany..

Since there are no (official) DVD players for *nix, they could also be
deemed illegal. So posting DeCSS (which probably resulted in libdvdcss)
might get the author in legal difficulties.

Anonymity allows you to 'share' programs like DeCSS in a safe way for
the authors. It would have saved Jon Johansen three years of trail..

>>Where have you been all these years? You must have been reading too much
>>AGC or something!
>
>
> Who knows?

Seems like a likely eventuality..
Thomas
- --
"You can't be safer, can't be more secure than with a breast in each
palm, that's the way I was born and that's the way I want to die" -
Sugarcubes, Mama, 1988
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Anonymous
June 4, 2005 1:16:42 PM

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And when it was 2005-06-03, illusion
<42a0cb47$0$151$3a628fcd@reader2.nntp.hccnet.nl> was created,
stating that Thomas J. Boschloo <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid>
uttered in alt.games.creatures:

> emmel wrote:
>> On 2005-05-27, Thomas J. Boschloo <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>emmel wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 2005-05-22, Thomas J. Boschloo <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>emmel wrote:
>>>>><snip>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I don't believe in anonymous messages. Privacy - now that's a completely
>>>>>>different thing.
>>>>>
>>>>>How would you feel if DeCSS was posted through the remailer network?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>What's DeCSS?
>>>
>>>What's DeCSS? Who is Jon Johansen? You're on *nix right? DeCSS allows
>>>you to see DVD movies on your laptop in *nix. That is what DeCSS is
>>><http://www.slyck.com/news.php?story=733&gt;
>>
>>
>> You know, I use *libdvdcss* and that for years.
>> And I still don't get your point.
>
> It is illegal in the US and Europe to reverse engineer copy protections.
> That is why www.elby.de stopped supplying CloneCD from Germany..

Thye did? Are you sure?

> Since there are no (official) DVD players for *nix, they could also be
> deemed illegal. So posting DeCSS (which probably resulted in libdvdcss)
> might get the author in legal difficulties.
>
> Anonymity allows you to 'share' programs like DeCSS in a safe way for
> the authors. It would have saved Jon Johansen three years of trail..

That's not the point. I mean, it's something *worth* fighting for. And
anyway, building software anonymously is pretty much pointless. I don't
know if you realize that, but in Open Source feedback is just about
everything. The only software distributed anonymously is the kind of
stuff script kiddies use. Keep that in mind.

>>>Where have you been all these years? You must have been reading too much
>>>AGC or something!
>>
>>
>> Who knows?
>
> Seems like a likely eventuality..

Reading too much AGC is technically not possible.
--
emmel <the_emmel*you-know-what-that's-for*@gmx.net>
(Don't forget to remove the ** bit)

Official AGC feedback maniac

"God is playing creatures - and we're the norns."

"A hundred dead are a tragedy - a hundred thousand are statistics."

"I guess you can call yourself lucky." -
"I could, but Linda suits me a little better... :) 
Things called lucky tend to get hit by trucks."

Hi, I'm a .sig virus. Just copy me to your .signature. And don't worry.
Anonymous
June 4, 2005 11:08:20 PM

Archived from groups: alt.games.creatures (More info?)

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emmel wrote:
> And when it was 2005-06-03, illusion
> <42a0cb47$0$151$3a628fcd@reader2.nntp.hccnet.nl> was created,
> stating that Thomas J. Boschloo <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid>
> uttered in alt.games.creatures:
>>emmel wrote:
>>>On 2005-05-27, Thomas J. Boschloo <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid> wrote:
>>>>emmel wrote:
>>>>>On 2005-05-22, Thomas J. Boschloo <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>emmel wrote:
>>>>>><snip>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I don't believe in anonymous messages. Privacy - now that's a completely
>>>>>>>different thing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>How would you feel if DeCSS was posted through the remailer network?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>What's DeCSS?
>>>>
>>>>What's DeCSS? Who is Jon Johansen? You're on *nix right? DeCSS allows
>>>>you to see DVD movies on your laptop in *nix. That is what DeCSS is
>>>><http://www.slyck.com/news.php?story=733&gt;
>>>
>>>
>>>You know, I use *libdvdcss* and that for years.
>>>And I still don't get your point.
>>
>>It is illegal in the US and Europe to reverse engineer copy protections.
>>That is why www.elby.de stopped supplying CloneCD from Germany..
>
>
> Thye did? Are you sure?

Check out <http://elby.de/products/clone_cd/index.html&gt;:
"New copyright law drives out CloneCD sheep

Due to the new legal situation we will stop the sales of CloneCD

We would like to take the opportunity to thank our customers for the
long loyalty to CloneCD!
We hope that you will also be excited about our future products and
remain with the most cordial greetings

Your elby team"


It is now <http://www.slysoft.com/en/clonecd.html&gt;: (whois)

domain:slysoft.com
owner-address:Giancarlo Bettini
owner-address:SlySoft Inc.
owner-address:D ickenson Bay Street, 3rd Floor, John Henry Bldg.
owner-address:noZIP
owner-address:St. John's
owner-address:Antigua and Barbuda
owner-phone:+1.2684814000
owner-fax:+1.2684814100
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created:2003-05-12 17:20:37
changed:2004-05-08 03:35:45

"Antigua (pronounced An-tee'ga) and Barbuda are located in the middle of
the Leeward Islands in the Eastern Caribbean, roughly 17 degrees north
of the equator. To the south are the islands of Montserrat and
Guadaloupe, and to the north and west are Nevis, St. Kitts, St. Barts,
and St. Martin."

>>Since there are no (official) DVD players for *nix, they could also be
>>deemed illegal. So posting DeCSS (which probably resulted in libdvdcss)
>>might get the author in legal difficulties.
>>
>>Anonymity allows you to 'share' programs like DeCSS in a safe way for
>>the authors. It would have saved Jon Johansen three years of trail..
>
>
> That's not the point. I mean, it's something *worth* fighting for. And
> anyway, building software anonymously is pretty much pointless. I don't
> know if you realize that, but in Open Source feedback is just about
> everything. The only software distributed anonymously is the kind of
> stuff script kiddies use. Keep that in mind.

It is illegal now due to the Digital Millennium Copyright Act and it's
EU counterpart. Remember that Adobe guy that got arrested in America a
few years ago?! <http://www.schneier.com/crypto-gram-0108.html#6&gt;

>>>>Where have you been all these years? You must have been reading too much
>>>>AGC or something!
>>>
>>>
>>>Who knows?
>>
>>Seems like a likely eventuality..
>
>
> Reading too much AGC is technically not possible.

You should visit the toilet from time to time. And maybe eat a bit more
that virtual cheese now that I am at it.. You look a bit pale..
Thomas
- --
"You can't be safer, can't be more secure than with a breast in each
palm, that's the way I was born and that's the way I want to die" -
Sugarcubes, Mama, 1988
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Anonymous
June 4, 2005 11:08:21 PM

Archived from groups: alt.games.creatures (More info?)

"Thomas J. Boschloo" <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid> wrote in message
news:42a1e035$0$769$3a628fcd@reader10.nntp.hccnet.nl...
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>
> emmel wrote:
> > And when it was 2005-06-03, illusion
> > <42a0cb47$0$151$3a628fcd@reader2.nntp.hccnet.nl> was created,
> > stating that Thomas J. Boschloo <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid>
> > uttered in alt.games.creatures:
> >>emmel wrote:
> >>>On 2005-05-27, Thomas J. Boschloo <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid> wrote:
> >>>>emmel wrote:
> >>>>>On 2005-05-22, Thomas J. Boschloo <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid> wrote:
> >>>>>>emmel wrote:
> >>>>>><snip>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>I don't believe in anonymous messages. Privacy - now that's a
completely
> >>>>>>>different thing.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>How would you feel if DeCSS was posted through the remailer network?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>What's DeCSS?
> >>>>
> >>>>What's DeCSS? Who is Jon Johansen? You're on *nix right? DeCSS allows
> >>>>you to see DVD movies on your laptop in *nix. That is what DeCSS is
> >>>><http://www.slyck.com/news.php?story=733&gt;
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>You know, I use *libdvdcss* and that for years.
> >>>And I still don't get your point.
> >>
> >>It is illegal in the US and Europe to reverse engineer copy protections.
> >>That is why www.elby.de stopped supplying CloneCD from Germany..
> >
> >
> > Thye did? Are you sure?
>
> Check out <http://elby.de/products/clone_cd/index.html&gt;:
> "New copyright law drives out CloneCD sheep
>
> Due to the new legal situation we will stop the sales of CloneCD
>
> We would like to take the opportunity to thank our customers for the
> long loyalty to CloneCD!
> We hope that you will also be excited about our future products and
> remain with the most cordial greetings
>
> Your elby team"
>
>
> It is now <http://www.slysoft.com/en/clonecd.html&gt;: (whois)
>
> domain:slysoft.com
> owner-address:Giancarlo Bettini
> owner-address:SlySoft Inc.
> owner-address:D ickenson Bay Street, 3rd Floor, John Henry Bldg.
> owner-address:noZIP
> owner-address:St. John's
> owner-address:Antigua and Barbuda
> owner-phone:+1.2684814000
> owner-fax:+1.2684814100
> owner-e-mail:nospam05113dc606f17b06e49409adbec416b5-596682@owner.gandi.net
> admin-c:GB623-GANDI
> tech-c:MH778-GANDI
> bill-c:GB623-GANDI
> nserver:D ns.mti.ag 208.0.227.114
> nserver:ns6.gandi.net 217.70.177.40
> reg_created:2003-05-12 11:20:36
> expires:2007-05-12 11:20:36
> created:2003-05-12 17:20:37
> changed:2004-05-08 03:35:45
>
> "Antigua (pronounced An-tee'ga) and Barbuda are located in the middle of
> the Leeward Islands in the Eastern Caribbean, roughly 17 degrees north
> of the equator. To the south are the islands of Montserrat and
> Guadaloupe, and to the north and west are Nevis, St. Kitts, St. Barts,
> and St. Martin."
>
> >>Since there are no (official) DVD players for *nix, they could also be
> >>deemed illegal. So posting DeCSS (which probably resulted in libdvdcss)
> >>might get the author in legal difficulties.
> >>
> >>Anonymity allows you to 'share' programs like DeCSS in a safe way for
> >>the authors. It would have saved Jon Johansen three years of trail..
> >
> >
> > That's not the point. I mean, it's something *worth* fighting for. And
> > anyway, building software anonymously is pretty much pointless. I don't
> > know if you realize that, but in Open Source feedback is just about
> > everything. The only software distributed anonymously is the kind of
> > stuff script kiddies use. Keep that in mind.
>
> It is illegal now due to the Digital Millennium Copyright Act and it's
> EU counterpart. Remember that Adobe guy that got arrested in America a
> few years ago?! <http://www.schneier.com/crypto-gram-0108.html#6&gt;
>
> >>>>Where have you been all these years? You must have been reading too
much
> >>>>AGC or something!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Who knows?
> >>
> >>Seems like a likely eventuality..
> >
> >
> > Reading too much AGC is technically not possible.
>
> You should visit the toilet from time to time. And maybe eat a bit more
> that virtual cheese now that I am at it.. You look a bit pale..

Those who do not read AGC are those that perish because their life is
boring;
i.e. not constantly filled with fear of 'the carpet' and discussions of
magic and bending the laws of nature (physics, magic,....hm more physics,
some JNCOBOY content about... physics..... *begins to sense a pattern*)

*looks down searching for the cheese....*
That's funny...

*there is no cheese* heh
Anonymous
June 5, 2005 12:35:12 PM

Archived from groups: alt.games.creatures (More info?)

And when it was 2005-06-04, illusion
<42a1e035$0$769$3a628fcd@reader10.nntp.hccnet.nl> was created,
stating that Thomas J. Boschloo <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid>
uttered in alt.games.creatures:

>
> emmel wrote:
>> And when it was 2005-06-03, illusion
>> <42a0cb47$0$151$3a628fcd@reader2.nntp.hccnet.nl> was created,
>> stating that Thomas J. Boschloo <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid>
>> uttered in alt.games.creatures:
>>>emmel wrote:
>>>>On 2005-05-27, Thomas J. Boschloo <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>emmel wrote:
>>>>>>On 2005-05-22, Thomas J. Boschloo <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>emmel wrote:
>>>>>>><snip>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I don't believe in anonymous messages. Privacy - now that's a completely
>>>>>>>>different thing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>How would you feel if DeCSS was posted through the remailer network?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>What's DeCSS?
>>>>>
>>>>>What's DeCSS? Who is Jon Johansen? You're on *nix right? DeCSS allows
>>>>>you to see DVD movies on your laptop in *nix. That is what DeCSS is
>>>>><http://www.slyck.com/news.php?story=733&gt;
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>You know, I use *libdvdcss* and that for years.
>>>>And I still don't get your point.
>>>
>>>It is illegal in the US and Europe to reverse engineer copy protections.
>>>That is why www.elby.de stopped supplying CloneCD from Germany..
>>
>>
>> Thye did? Are you sure?
>
> Check out <http://elby.de/products/clone_cd/index.html&gt;:
> "New copyright law drives out CloneCD sheep
>
> Due to the new legal situation we will stop the sales of CloneCD
>
> We would like to take the opportunity to thank our customers for the
> long loyalty to CloneCD!
> We hope that you will also be excited about our future products and
> remain with the most cordial greetings
>
> Your elby team"
>
>
> It is now <http://www.slysoft.com/en/clonecd.html&gt;: (whois)
>
> domain:slysoft.com
> owner-address:Giancarlo Bettini
> owner-address:SlySoft Inc.
> owner-address:D ickenson Bay Street, 3rd Floor, John Henry Bldg.
> owner-address:noZIP
> owner-address:St. John's
> owner-address:Antigua and Barbuda
> owner-phone:+1.2684814000
> owner-fax:+1.2684814100
> owner-e-mail:nospam05113dc606f17b06e49409adbec416b5-596682@owner.gandi.net
> admin-c:GB623-GANDI
> tech-c:MH778-GANDI
> bill-c:GB623-GANDI
> nserver:D ns.mti.ag 208.0.227.114
> nserver:ns6.gandi.net 217.70.177.40
> reg_created:2003-05-12 11:20:36
> expires:2007-05-12 11:20:36
> created:2003-05-12 17:20:37
> changed:2004-05-08 03:35:45
>
> "Antigua (pronounced An-tee'ga) and Barbuda are located in the middle of
> the Leeward Islands in the Eastern Caribbean, roughly 17 degrees north
> of the equator. To the south are the islands of Montserrat and
> Guadaloupe, and to the north and west are Nevis, St. Kitts, St. Barts,
> and St. Martin."

::nods::
I know these, well, by name that is. I'd just have said "somewhere in
the Carribean".

>>>Since there are no (official) DVD players for *nix, they could also be
>>>deemed illegal. So posting DeCSS (which probably resulted in libdvdcss)
>>>might get the author in legal difficulties.
>>>
>>>Anonymity allows you to 'share' programs like DeCSS in a safe way for
>>>the authors. It would have saved Jon Johansen three years of trail..
>>
>>
>> That's not the point. I mean, it's something *worth* fighting for. And
>> anyway, building software anonymously is pretty much pointless. I don't
>> know if you realize that, but in Open Source feedback is just about
>> everything. The only software distributed anonymously is the kind of
>> stuff script kiddies use. Keep that in mind.
>
> It is illegal now due to the Digital Millennium Copyright Act and it's
> EU counterpart. Remember that Adobe guy that got arrested in America a
> few years ago?! <http://www.schneier.com/crypto-gram-0108.html#6&gt;

Not really. And I think copyright policies are still subject to the
countries jurisdiction. EU guidelines are no laws.

>>>>>Where have you been all these years? You must have been reading too much
>>>>>AGC or something!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Who knows?
>>>
>>>Seems like a likely eventuality..
>>
>>
>> Reading too much AGC is technically not possible.
>
> You should visit the toilet from time to time.

A good advice, although it's a long time since I had to be reminded of
*that*, you know.

> And maybe eat a bit more
> that virtual cheese now that I am at it.. You look a bit pale..

Actually, I'm slightly tanned. Not as much as if I'd been sunbathing,
but it's a far from pale...
--
emmel <the_emmel*you-know-what-that's-for*@gmx.net>
(Don't forget to remove the ** bit)

Official AGC feedback maniac

"God is playing creatures - and we're the norns."

"A hundred dead are a tragedy - a hundred thousand are statistics."

"I guess you can call yourself lucky." -
"I could, but Linda suits me a little better... :) 
Things called lucky tend to get hit by trucks."

Hi, I'm a .sig virus. Just copy me to your .signature. And don't worry.
Anonymous
June 5, 2005 12:36:57 PM

Archived from groups: alt.games.creatures (More info?)

And when it was 2005-06-04, illusion
<RYGdnZ0TB7_LZjzfRVn-tA@rogers.com> was created,
stating that Jim Eha <spikeaceon@yahoo.com>
uttered in alt.games.creatures:

>> >>>>Where have you been all these years? You must have been reading too
> much
>> >>>>AGC or something!
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>Who knows?
>> >>
>> >>Seems like a likely eventuality..
>> >
>> >
>> > Reading too much AGC is technically not possible.
>>
>> You should visit the toilet from time to time. And maybe eat a bit more
>> that virtual cheese now that I am at it.. You look a bit pale..
>
> Those who do not read AGC are those that perish because their life is
> boring;
> i.e. not constantly filled with fear of 'the carpet' and discussions of
> magic and bending the laws of nature (physics, magic,....hm more physics,
> some JNCOBOY content about... physics..... *begins to sense a pattern*)

Huh? What pattern?

> *looks down searching for the cheese....*
> That's funny...
>
> *there is no cheese* heh

I've eaten *all* of it?
--
emmel <the_emmel*you-know-what-that's-for*@gmx.net>
(Don't forget to remove the ** bit)

Official AGC feedback maniac

"God is playing creatures - and we're the norns."

"A hundred dead are a tragedy - a hundred thousand are statistics."

"I guess you can call yourself lucky." -
"I could, but Linda suits me a little better... :) 
Things called lucky tend to get hit by trucks."

Hi, I'm a .sig virus. Just copy me to your .signature. And don't worry.
Anonymous
June 5, 2005 9:03:31 PM

Archived from groups: alt.games.creatures (More info?)

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emmel wrote:
> And when it was 2005-06-04, illusion
> <42a1e035$0$769$3a628fcd@reader10.nntp.hccnet.nl> was created,
> stating that Thomas J. Boschloo <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid>
> uttered in alt.games.creatures:
>
>
>>emmel wrote:
>>
>>>And when it was 2005-06-03, illusion
>>><42a0cb47$0$151$3a628fcd@reader2.nntp.hccnet.nl> was created,
>>>stating that Thomas J. Boschloo <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid>
>>>uttered in alt.games.creatures:
<snip>
>>>>Since there are no (official) DVD players for *nix, they could also be
>>>>deemed illegal. So posting DeCSS (which probably resulted in libdvdcss)
>>>>might get the author in legal difficulties.
>>>>
>>>>Anonymity allows you to 'share' programs like DeCSS in a safe way for
>>>>the authors. It would have saved Jon Johansen three years of trail..
>>>
>>>
>>>That's not the point. I mean, it's something *worth* fighting for. And
>>>anyway, building software anonymously is pretty much pointless. I don't
>>>know if you realize that, but in Open Source feedback is just about
>>>everything. The only software distributed anonymously is the kind of
>>>stuff script kiddies use. Keep that in mind.
>>
>>It is illegal now due to the Digital Millennium Copyright Act and it's
>>EU counterpart. Remember that Adobe guy that got arrested in America a
>>few years ago?! <http://www.schneier.com/crypto-gram-0108.html#6&gt;
>
>
> Not really. And I think copyright policies are still subject to the
> countries jurisdiction. EU guidelines are no laws.

He was a researcher at Elcomsoft <http://www.elcomsoft.com/apdfpr.html&gt;
that broke the protection in the DRM format of Adobe Acrobat Reader. He
went to the US for a speech the security of this on Defcon and got
arrested by the FBI because of this. I think he got off free, but I have
the feeling that things will only get worse in the near future :-(

I used to be a software cracker in the MS-Dos days you know, I
sympathize with people who 'improve' software by removing annoying
protections (mainly manual protections and floppy protections in those
days).

Thomas
- --
"You can't be safer, can't be more secure than with a breast in each
palm, that's the way I was born and that's the way I want to die" -
Sugarcubes, Mama, 1988
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Anonymous
June 5, 2005 9:15:52 PM

Archived from groups: alt.games.creatures (More info?)

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emmel wrote:
> And when it was 2005-06-04, illusion
> <RYGdnZ0TB7_LZjzfRVn-tA@rogers.com> was created,
> stating that Jim Eha <spikeaceon@yahoo.com>
> uttered in alt.games.creatures:
>
>
>>>>>>>Where have you been all these years? You must have been reading too
>>
>>much
>>
>>>>>>>AGC or something!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Who knows?
>>>>>
>>>>>Seems like a likely eventuality..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Reading too much AGC is technically not possible.
>>>
>>>You should visit the toilet from time to time. And maybe eat a bit more
>>>that virtual cheese now that I am at it.. You look a bit pale..
>>
>>Those who do not read AGC are those that perish because their life is
>>boring;
>>i.e. not constantly filled with fear of 'the carpet' and discussions of
>>magic and bending the laws of nature (physics, magic,....hm more physics,
>>some JNCOBOY content about... physics..... *begins to sense a pattern*)
>
>
> Huh? What pattern?
>
>
>>*looks down searching for the cheese....*
>>That's funny...
>>
>>*there is no cheese* heh
>
>
> I've eaten *all* of it?

No, the cheese is real because your mind makes it real. I think that is
what Jim is trying to say here.

"There is no spoon", remember?
Thomas
- --
"You can't be safer, can't be more secure than with a breast in each
palm, that's the way I was born and that's the way I want to die" -
Sugarcubes, Mama, 1988
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Anonymous
June 5, 2005 10:10:58 PM

Archived from groups: alt.games.creatures (More info?)

"Thomas J. Boschloo" <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid> wrote in message
news:42a32541$0$769$3a628fcd@reader10.nntp.hccnet.nl...
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>
> emmel wrote:
> > And when it was 2005-06-04, illusion
> > <RYGdnZ0TB7_LZjzfRVn-tA@rogers.com> was created,
> > stating that Jim Eha <spikeaceon@yahoo.com>
> > uttered in alt.games.creatures:
> >
> >
> >>>>>>>Where have you been all these years? You must have been reading too
> >>
> >>much
> >>
> >>>>>>>AGC or something!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Who knows?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Seems like a likely eventuality..
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Reading too much AGC is technically not possible.
> >>>
> >>>You should visit the toilet from time to time. And maybe eat a bit more
> >>>that virtual cheese now that I am at it.. You look a bit pale..
> >>
> >>Those who do not read AGC are those that perish because their life is
> >>boring;
> >>i.e. not constantly filled with fear of 'the carpet' and discussions of
> >>magic and bending the laws of nature (physics, magic,....hm more
physics,
> >>some JNCOBOY content about... physics..... *begins to sense a pattern*)
> >
> >
> > Huh? What pattern?
> >
> >
> >>*looks down searching for the cheese....*
> >>That's funny...
> >>
> >>*there is no cheese* heh
> >
> >
> > I've eaten *all* of it?
>
> No, the cheese is real because your mind makes it real. I think that is
> what Jim is trying to say here.
>
> "There is no spoon", remember?

Heh Matrix rip off, yes that's exactly it.
Anonymous
June 5, 2005 10:15:02 PM

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"Thomas J. Boschloo" <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid> wrote in message
news:42a31476$0$781$3a628fcd@reader20.nntp.hccnet.nl...
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>
> emmel wrote:
> > And when it was 2005-06-04, illusion
> > <42a1e035$0$769$3a628fcd@reader10.nntp.hccnet.nl> was created,
> > stating that Thomas J. Boschloo <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid>
> > uttered in alt.games.creatures:
> >
> >
> >>emmel wrote:
> >>
> >>>And when it was 2005-06-03, illusion
> >>><42a0cb47$0$151$3a628fcd@reader2.nntp.hccnet.nl> was created,
> >>>stating that Thomas J. Boschloo <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid>
> >>>uttered in alt.games.creatures:
> <snip>
> >>>>Since there are no (official) DVD players for *nix, they could also be
> >>>>deemed illegal. So posting DeCSS (which probably resulted in
libdvdcss)
> >>>>might get the author in legal difficulties.
> >>>>
> >>>>Anonymity allows you to 'share' programs like DeCSS in a safe way for
> >>>>the authors. It would have saved Jon Johansen three years of trail..
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>That's not the point. I mean, it's something *worth* fighting for. And
> >>>anyway, building software anonymously is pretty much pointless. I don't
> >>>know if you realize that, but in Open Source feedback is just about
> >>>everything. The only software distributed anonymously is the kind of
> >>>stuff script kiddies use. Keep that in mind.
> >>
> >>It is illegal now due to the Digital Millennium Copyright Act and it's
> >>EU counterpart. Remember that Adobe guy that got arrested in America a
> >>few years ago?! <http://www.schneier.com/crypto-gram-0108.html#6&gt;
> >
> >
> > Not really. And I think copyright policies are still subject to the
> > countries jurisdiction. EU guidelines are no laws.
>
> He was a researcher at Elcomsoft <http://www.elcomsoft.com/apdfpr.html&gt;
> that broke the protection in the DRM format of Adobe Acrobat Reader. He
> went to the US for a speech the security of this on Defcon and got
> arrested by the FBI because of this. I think he got off free, but I have
> the feeling that things will only get worse in the near future :-(
>
> I used to be a software cracker in the MS-Dos days you know, I
> sympathize with people who 'improve' software by removing annoying
> protections (mainly manual protections and floppy protections in those
> days).
>

heh the protections of a floppy disk <flashback> always easily fixed with a
well-placed piece of masking tape :D 
Anonymous
June 5, 2005 11:34:07 PM

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Jim Eha wrote:
<snip>

> Those who do not read AGC are those that perish because their life is
> boring;

Good point..

> i.e. not constantly filled with fear of 'the carpet' and discussions of
> magic and bending the laws of nature (physics, magic,....hm more physics,
> some JNCOBOY content about... physics..... *begins to sense a pattern*)
>
> *looks down searching for the cheese....*
> That's funny...
>
> *there is no cheese* heh

I do not fear the carpet. The carpet is my friend now.. We've both
showed our teeth and know what to expect of each other :-)

Thomas
- --
"You can't be safer, can't be more secure than with a breast in each
palm, that's the way I was born and that's the way I want to die" -
Sugarcubes, Mama, 1988
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Anonymous
June 6, 2005 2:55:12 PM

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On 2005-06-05, Thomas J. Boschloo <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid> wrote:
>
> emmel wrote:
>> And when it was 2005-06-04, illusion
>> <42a1e035$0$769$3a628fcd@reader10.nntp.hccnet.nl> was created,
>> stating that Thomas J. Boschloo <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid>
>> uttered in alt.games.creatures:
>>
>>
>>>emmel wrote:
>>>
>>>>And when it was 2005-06-03, illusion
>>>><42a0cb47$0$151$3a628fcd@reader2.nntp.hccnet.nl> was created,
>>>>stating that Thomas J. Boschloo <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid>
>>>>uttered in alt.games.creatures:
><snip>
>>>>>Since there are no (official) DVD players for *nix, they could also be
>>>>>deemed illegal. So posting DeCSS (which probably resulted in libdvdcss)
>>>>>might get the author in legal difficulties.
>>>>>
>>>>>Anonymity allows you to 'share' programs like DeCSS in a safe way for
>>>>>the authors. It would have saved Jon Johansen three years of trail..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>That's not the point. I mean, it's something *worth* fighting for. And
>>>>anyway, building software anonymously is pretty much pointless. I don't
>>>>know if you realize that, but in Open Source feedback is just about
>>>>everything. The only software distributed anonymously is the kind of
>>>>stuff script kiddies use. Keep that in mind.
>>>
>>>It is illegal now due to the Digital Millennium Copyright Act and it's
>>>EU counterpart. Remember that Adobe guy that got arrested in America a
>>>few years ago?! <http://www.schneier.com/crypto-gram-0108.html#6&gt;
>>
>>
>> Not really. And I think copyright policies are still subject to the
>> countries jurisdiction. EU guidelines are no laws.
>
> He was a researcher at Elcomsoft <http://www.elcomsoft.com/apdfpr.html&gt;
> that broke the protection in the DRM format of Adobe Acrobat Reader. He
> went to the US for a speech the security of this on Defcon and got
> arrested by the FBI because of this. I think he got off free, but I have
> the feeling that things will only get worse in the near future :-(

::nods::
Especially in the US they are... a bit extreme...

> I used to be a software cracker in the MS-Dos days you know, I
> sympathize with people who 'improve' software by removing annoying
> protections (mainly manual protections and floppy protections in those
> days).

::nods::
--
emmel <the_emmel*you-know-what-that's-for*@gmx.net>
(Don't forget to remove the ** bit)

Official AGC feedback maniac

"God is playing creatures - and we're the norns."

"A hundred dead are a tragedy - a hundred thousand are statistics."

"I guess you can call yourself lucky." -
"I could, but Linda suits me a little better... :) 
Things called lucky tend to get hit by trucks."

Hi, I'm a .sig virus. Just copy me to your .signature. And don't worry.
Anonymous
June 6, 2005 2:56:03 PM

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On 2005-06-05, Jim Eha <spikeaceon@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> "Thomas J. Boschloo" <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid> wrote in message
> news:42a31476$0$781$3a628fcd@reader20.nntp.hccnet.nl...
>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>>
>> emmel wrote:
>> > And when it was 2005-06-04, illusion
>> > <42a1e035$0$769$3a628fcd@reader10.nntp.hccnet.nl> was created,
>> > stating that Thomas J. Boschloo <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid>
>> > uttered in alt.games.creatures:
>> >
>> >
>> >>emmel wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>And when it was 2005-06-03, illusion
>> >>><42a0cb47$0$151$3a628fcd@reader2.nntp.hccnet.nl> was created,
>> >>>stating that Thomas J. Boschloo <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid>
>> >>>uttered in alt.games.creatures:
>> <snip>
>> >>>>Since there are no (official) DVD players for *nix, they could also be
>> >>>>deemed illegal. So posting DeCSS (which probably resulted in
> libdvdcss)
>> >>>>might get the author in legal difficulties.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Anonymity allows you to 'share' programs like DeCSS in a safe way for
>> >>>>the authors. It would have saved Jon Johansen three years of trail..
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>That's not the point. I mean, it's something *worth* fighting for. And
>> >>>anyway, building software anonymously is pretty much pointless. I don't
>> >>>know if you realize that, but in Open Source feedback is just about
>> >>>everything. The only software distributed anonymously is the kind of
>> >>>stuff script kiddies use. Keep that in mind.
>> >>
>> >>It is illegal now due to the Digital Millennium Copyright Act and it's
>> >>EU counterpart. Remember that Adobe guy that got arrested in America a
>> >>few years ago?! <http://www.schneier.com/crypto-gram-0108.html#6&gt;
>> >
>> >
>> > Not really. And I think copyright policies are still subject to the
>> > countries jurisdiction. EU guidelines are no laws.
>>
>> He was a researcher at Elcomsoft <http://www.elcomsoft.com/apdfpr.html&gt;
>> that broke the protection in the DRM format of Adobe Acrobat Reader. He
>> went to the US for a speech the security of this on Defcon and got
>> arrested by the FBI because of this. I think he got off free, but I have
>> the feeling that things will only get worse in the near future :-(
>>
>> I used to be a software cracker in the MS-Dos days you know, I
>> sympathize with people who 'improve' software by removing annoying
>> protections (mainly manual protections and floppy protections in those
>> days).
>>
>
> heh the protections of a floppy disk <flashback> always easily fixed with a
> well-placed piece of masking tape :D 

That's only works for writing protection, I think...
--
emmel <the_emmel*you-know-what-that's-for*@gmx.net>
(Don't forget to remove the ** bit)

Official AGC feedback maniac

"God is playing creatures - and we're the norns."

"A hundred dead are a tragedy - a hundred thousand are statistics."

"I guess you can call yourself lucky." -
"I could, but Linda suits me a little better... :) 
Things called lucky tend to get hit by trucks."

Hi, I'm a .sig virus. Just copy me to your .signature. And don't worry.
Anonymous
June 6, 2005 2:56:04 PM

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"emmel" <the_emmel*whatever*@gmx.net> wrote in message
news:slrnda8app.5k9.the_emmel*whatever*@btcipinf22.cip.uni-bayreuth.de...
> On 2005-06-05, Jim Eha <spikeaceon@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > "Thomas J. Boschloo" <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid> wrote in message
> > news:42a31476$0$781$3a628fcd@reader20.nntp.hccnet.nl...
> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> >>
> >> emmel wrote:
> >> > And when it was 2005-06-04, illusion
> >> > <42a1e035$0$769$3a628fcd@reader10.nntp.hccnet.nl> was created,
> >> > stating that Thomas J. Boschloo <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid>
> >> > uttered in alt.games.creatures:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >>emmel wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>>And when it was 2005-06-03, illusion
> >> >>><42a0cb47$0$151$3a628fcd@reader2.nntp.hccnet.nl> was created,
> >> >>>stating that Thomas J. Boschloo <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid>
> >> >>>uttered in alt.games.creatures:
> >> <snip>
> >> >>>>Since there are no (official) DVD players for *nix, they could also
be
> >> >>>>deemed illegal. So posting DeCSS (which probably resulted in
> > libdvdcss)
> >> >>>>might get the author in legal difficulties.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>Anonymity allows you to 'share' programs like DeCSS in a safe way
for
> >> >>>>the authors. It would have saved Jon Johansen three years of
trail..
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>That's not the point. I mean, it's something *worth* fighting for.
And
> >> >>>anyway, building software anonymously is pretty much pointless. I
don't
> >> >>>know if you realize that, but in Open Source feedback is just about
> >> >>>everything. The only software distributed anonymously is the kind of
> >> >>>stuff script kiddies use. Keep that in mind.
> >> >>
> >> >>It is illegal now due to the Digital Millennium Copyright Act and
it's
> >> >>EU counterpart. Remember that Adobe guy that got arrested in America
a
> >> >>few years ago?! <http://www.schneier.com/crypto-gram-0108.html#6&gt;
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Not really. And I think copyright policies are still subject to the
> >> > countries jurisdiction. EU guidelines are no laws.
> >>
> >> He was a researcher at Elcomsoft <http://www.elcomsoft.com/apdfpr.html&gt;
> >> that broke the protection in the DRM format of Adobe Acrobat Reader. He
> >> went to the US for a speech the security of this on Defcon and got
> >> arrested by the FBI because of this. I think he got off free, but I
have
> >> the feeling that things will only get worse in the near future :-(
> >>
> >> I used to be a software cracker in the MS-Dos days you know, I
> >> sympathize with people who 'improve' software by removing annoying
> >> protections (mainly manual protections and floppy protections in those
> >> days).
> >>
> >
> > heh the protections of a floppy disk <flashback> always easily fixed
with a
> > well-placed piece of masking tape :D 
>
> That's only works for writing protection, I think...

Yes,does.
Though any other form of floppy protection is a sin I think..... <checks>

--------------
Those who do not read AGC are those that perish because their life is
boring...

"How do I create a coloured Norn instead of one of those 'brownish or gold'
ones?"
Ah the good old Days of C1!
Anonymous
June 6, 2005 2:57:32 PM

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On 2005-06-05, Thomas J. Boschloo <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid> wrote:
>
> Jim Eha wrote:
><snip>
>
>> Those who do not read AGC are those that perish because their life is
>> boring;
>
> Good point..
>
>> i.e. not constantly filled with fear of 'the carpet' and discussions of
>> magic and bending the laws of nature (physics, magic,....hm more physics,
>> some JNCOBOY content about... physics..... *begins to sense a pattern*)
>>
>> *looks down searching for the cheese....*
>> That's funny...
>>
>> *there is no cheese* heh
>
> I do not fear the carpet. The carpet is my friend now.. We've both
> showed our teeth and know what to expect of each other :-)

<g> If want to call it like that...
--
emmel <the_emmel*you-know-what-that's-for*@gmx.net>
(Don't forget to remove the ** bit)

Official AGC feedback maniac

"God is playing creatures - and we're the norns."

"A hundred dead are a tragedy - a hundred thousand are statistics."

"I guess you can call yourself lucky." -
"I could, but Linda suits me a little better... :) 
Things called lucky tend to get hit by trucks."

Hi, I'm a .sig virus. Just copy me to your .signature. And don't worry.
Anonymous
June 6, 2005 2:58:47 PM

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On 2005-06-05, Thomas J. Boschloo <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid> wrote:
>
> emmel wrote:
>> And when it was 2005-06-04, illusion
>> <RYGdnZ0TB7_LZjzfRVn-tA@rogers.com> was created,
>> stating that Jim Eha <spikeaceon@yahoo.com>
>> uttered in alt.games.creatures:
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>Where have you been all these years? You must have been reading too
>>>
>>>much
>>>
>>>>>>>>AGC or something!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Who knows?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Seems like a likely eventuality..
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Reading too much AGC is technically not possible.
>>>>
>>>>You should visit the toilet from time to time. And maybe eat a bit more
>>>>that virtual cheese now that I am at it.. You look a bit pale..
>>>
>>>Those who do not read AGC are those that perish because their life is
>>>boring;
>>>i.e. not constantly filled with fear of 'the carpet' and discussions of
>>>magic and bending the laws of nature (physics, magic,....hm more physics,
>>>some JNCOBOY content about... physics..... *begins to sense a pattern*)
>>
>>
>> Huh? What pattern?
>>
>>
>>>*looks down searching for the cheese....*
>>>That's funny...
>>>
>>>*there is no cheese* heh
>>
>>
>> I've eaten *all* of it?
>
> No, the cheese is real because your mind makes it real. I think that is
> what Jim is trying to say here.

Oh, in that case...
::grabs some more cheese and eats it::

> "There is no spoon", remember?

Sorry, I seem to have a black out...
--
emmel <the_emmel*you-know-what-that's-for*@gmx.net>
(Don't forget to remove the ** bit)

Official AGC feedback maniac

"God is playing creatures - and we're the norns."

"A hundred dead are a tragedy - a hundred thousand are statistics."

"I guess you can call yourself lucky." -
"I could, but Linda suits me a little better... :) 
Things called lucky tend to get hit by trucks."

Hi, I'm a .sig virus. Just copy me to your .signature. And don't worry.
Anonymous
June 7, 2005 5:43:10 PM

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On 2005-06-06, Jim Eha <spikeaceon@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "emmel" <the_emmel*whatever*@gmx.net> wrote in message
> news:slrnda8app.5k9.the_emmel*whatever*@btcipinf22.cip.uni-bayreuth.de...
>> On 2005-06-05, Jim Eha <spikeaceon@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> I used to be a software cracker in the MS-Dos days you know, I
>> >> sympathize with people who 'improve' software by removing annoying
>> >> protections (mainly manual protections and floppy protections in those
>> >> days).
>> >>
>> >
>> > heh the protections of a floppy disk <flashback> always easily fixed
> with a
>> > well-placed piece of masking tape :D 
>>
>> That's only works for writing protection, I think...
>
> Yes,does.
> Though any other form of floppy protection is a sin I think..... <checks>
>
> --------------
> Those who do not read AGC are those that perish because their life is
> boring...
>
> "How do I create a coloured Norn instead of one of those 'brownish or gold'
> ones?"
> Ah the good old Days of C1!
>
>


--
emmel <the_emmel*you-know-what-that's-for*@gmx.net>
(Don't forget to remove the ** bit)

Official AGC feedback maniac

"God is playing creatures - and we're the norns."

"A hundred dead are a tragedy - a hundred thousand are statistics."

"I guess you can call yourself lucky." -
"I could, but Linda suits me a little better... :) 
Things called lucky tend to get hit by trucks."

Hi, I'm a .sig virus. Just copy me to your .signature. And don't worry.
Anonymous
June 12, 2005 6:37:44 PM

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"emmel" <the_emmel*whatever*@gmx.net> wrote in message
news:slrnda8ao5.5k9.the_emmel*whatever*@btcipinf22.cip.uni-bayreuth.de...
> On 2005-06-05, Thomas J. Boschloo <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> emmel wrote:
>>> And when it was 2005-06-04, illusion
>>> <42a1e035$0$769$3a628fcd@reader10.nntp.hccnet.nl> was created,
>>> stating that Thomas J. Boschloo <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid>
>>> uttered in alt.games.creatures:
>>>
>>>
>>>>emmel wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>And when it was 2005-06-03, illusion
>>>>><42a0cb47$0$151$3a628fcd@reader2.nntp.hccnet.nl> was created,
>>>>>stating that Thomas J. Boschloo <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid>
>>>>>uttered in alt.games.creatures:
>><snip>
>>>>>>Since there are no (official) DVD players for *nix, they could also be
>>>>>>deemed illegal. So posting DeCSS (which probably resulted in
>>>>>>libdvdcss)
>>>>>>might get the author in legal difficulties.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Anonymity allows you to 'share' programs like DeCSS in a safe way for
>>>>>>the authors. It would have saved Jon Johansen three years of trail..
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>That's not the point. I mean, it's something *worth* fighting for. And
>>>>>anyway, building software anonymously is pretty much pointless. I don't
>>>>>know if you realize that, but in Open Source feedback is just about
>>>>>everything. The only software distributed anonymously is the kind of
>>>>>stuff script kiddies use. Keep that in mind.
>>>>
>>>>It is illegal now due to the Digital Millennium Copyright Act and it's
>>>>EU counterpart. Remember that Adobe guy that got arrested in America a
>>>>few years ago?! <http://www.schneier.com/crypto-gram-0108.html#6&gt;
>>>
>>>
>>> Not really. And I think copyright policies are still subject to the
>>> countries jurisdiction. EU guidelines are no laws.
>>
>> He was a researcher at Elcomsoft <http://www.elcomsoft.com/apdfpr.html&gt;
>> that broke the protection in the DRM format of Adobe Acrobat Reader. He
>> went to the US for a speech the security of this on Defcon and got
>> arrested by the FBI because of this. I think he got off free, but I have
>> the feeling that things will only get worse in the near future :-(
>
> ::nods::
> Especially in the US they are... a bit extreme...
<snip>

Semi-related Slashdot article:

http://politics.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/06/09/00...

The comments are worth at least skimming, as well.

--
The Triad
Anonymous
June 12, 2005 10:13:38 PM

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emmel wrote:
> On 2005-06-05, Thomas J. Boschloo <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid> wrote:
>
>>Jim Eha wrote:
>><snip>
>>
>>>Those who do not read AGC are those that perish because their life is
>>>boring;
>>
>>Good point..
>>
>>
>>>i.e. not constantly filled with fear of 'the carpet' and discussions of
>>>magic and bending the laws of nature (physics, magic,....hm more physics,
>>>some JNCOBOY content about... physics..... *begins to sense a pattern*)
>>>
>>>*looks down searching for the cheese....*
>>>That's funny...
>>>
>>>*there is no cheese* heh
>>
>>I do not fear the carpet. The carpet is my friend now.. We've both
>>showed our teeth and know what to expect of each other :-)
>
>
> <g> If want to call it like that...

Well, if it bites, I has got to have teeth? Doesn't it? <looks closer at
carpet> <ducks>

Thomas
- --
"You can't be safer, can't be more secure than with a breast in each
palm, that's the way I was born and that's the way I want to die" -
Sugarcubes, Mama, 1988
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Anonymous
June 12, 2005 10:46:51 PM

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Jim Eha wrote:
> "Thomas J. Boschloo" <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid> wrote in message
> news:42a31476$0$781$3a628fcd@reader20.nntp.hccnet.nl...
<snip>
>>I used to be a software cracker in the MS-Dos days you know, I
>>sympathize with people who 'improve' software by removing annoying
>>protections (mainly manual protections and floppy protections in those
>>days).
>>
>
>
> heh the protections of a floppy disk <flashback> always easily fixed with a
> well-placed piece of masking tape :D 

There was CopyIIPC of course, which meant you didn't have to crack it
(until you only had 3 1/2" drives). But mainly these protections would
work with weird settings for floppy parameters and e.g. alternatingly
formatting with 7 and 9 sectors per track.

All in all, the game would boot from the boot record of your floppy,
then alter the drive parameters and load some more. Then do a check on
another track that diskcopy wouldn't copy to see if the floppy was still
there.

The floppies made funny noises too! like <tactactactac grrr grrr
tactactactac>.

I managed to get e.g. J-Bird from 5 1/4 to a zip file and it would work!
Even with highscores (very tricky) and monochrome screens.. I'll post it
as an attachment <looks evily at emmel>.

Ah the good old Days ;-)
Thomas
- --
"You can't be safer, can't be more secure than with a breast in each
palm, that's the way I was born and that's the way I want to die" -
Sugarcubes, Mama, 1988
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Anonymous
June 12, 2005 10:54:00 PM

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The Triad wrote:
> "emmel" <the_emmel*whatever*@gmx.net> wrote in message
> news:slrnda8ao5.5k9.the_emmel*whatever*@btcipinf22.cip.uni-bayreuth.de...
>
>>On 2005-06-05, Thomas J. Boschloo <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>emmel wrote:
>>>
>>>>And when it was 2005-06-04, illusion
>>>><42a1e035$0$769$3a628fcd@reader10.nntp.hccnet.nl> was created,
>>>>stating that Thomas J. Boschloo <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid>
>>>>uttered in alt.games.creatures:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>emmel wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>And when it was 2005-06-03, illusion
>>>>>><42a0cb47$0$151$3a628fcd@reader2.nntp.hccnet.nl> was created,
>>>>>>stating that Thomas J. Boschloo <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid>
>>>>>>uttered in alt.games.creatures:
>>>
>>><snip>
>>>
>>>>>>>Since there are no (official) DVD players for *nix, they could also be
>>>>>>>deemed illegal. So posting DeCSS (which probably resulted in
>>>>>>>libdvdcss)
>>>>>>>might get the author in legal difficulties.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Anonymity allows you to 'share' programs like DeCSS in a safe way for
>>>>>>>the authors. It would have saved Jon Johansen three years of trail..
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>That's not the point. I mean, it's something *worth* fighting for. And
>>>>>>anyway, building software anonymously is pretty much pointless. I don't
>>>>>>know if you realize that, but in Open Source feedback is just about
>>>>>>everything. The only software distributed anonymously is the kind of
>>>>>>stuff script kiddies use. Keep that in mind.
>>>>>
>>>>>It is illegal now due to the Digital Millennium Copyright Act and it's
>>>>>EU counterpart. Remember that Adobe guy that got arrested in America a
>>>>>few years ago?! <http://www.schneier.com/crypto-gram-0108.html#6&gt;
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Not really. And I think copyright policies are still subject to the
>>>>countries jurisdiction. EU guidelines are no laws.
>>>
>>>He was a researcher at Elcomsoft <http://www.elcomsoft.com/apdfpr.html&gt;
>>>that broke the protection in the DRM format of Adobe Acrobat Reader. He
>>>went to the US for a speech the security of this on Defcon and got
>>>arrested by the FBI because of this. I think he got off free, but I have
>>>the feeling that things will only get worse in the near future :-(
>>
>>::nods::
>>Especially in the US they are... a bit extreme...
>
> <snip>
>
> Semi-related Slashdot article:
>
> http://politics.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/06/09/00...
>
> The comments are worth at least skimming, as well.

It's scary. I think we were safe enough during the cold war! I don't
know what is so radically different in our current situation that calls
for all these new powers and I fear it is just a bunch of politicians
with nothing to do.. so they start drafting new laws to 'make the public
happy'.

Thomas
- --
"You can't be safer, can't be more secure than with a breast in each
palm, that's the way I was born and that's the way I want to die" -
Sugarcubes, Mama, 1988
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Anonymous
June 12, 2005 11:04:41 PM

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"Thomas J. Boschloo" <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid> wrote in message
news:42ac68b2$0$148$3a628fcd@reader2.nntp.hccnet.nl...
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>
> Jim Eha wrote:
> > "Thomas J. Boschloo" <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid> wrote in message
> > news:42a31476$0$781$3a628fcd@reader20.nntp.hccnet.nl...
> <snip>
> >>I used to be a software cracker in the MS-Dos days you know, I
> >>sympathize with people who 'improve' software by removing annoying
> >>protections (mainly manual protections and floppy protections in those
> >>days).
> >>
> >
> >
> > heh the protections of a floppy disk <flashback> always easily fixed
with a
> > well-placed piece of masking tape :D 
>
> There was CopyIIPC of course, which meant you didn't have to crack it
> (until you only had 3 1/2" drives). But mainly these protections would
> work with weird settings for floppy parameters and e.g. alternatingly
> formatting with 7 and 9 sectors per track.
>
> All in all, the game would boot from the boot record of your floppy,
> then alter the drive parameters and load some more. Then do a check on
> another track that diskcopy wouldn't copy to see if the floppy was still
> there.
>
> The floppies made funny noises too! like <tactactactac grrr grrr
> tactactactac>.
>
> I managed to get e.g. J-Bird from 5 1/4 to a zip file and it would work!
> Even with highscores (very tricky) and monochrome screens.. I'll post it
> as an attachment <looks evily at emmel>.
>
> Ah the good old Days ;-)
> Thomas

haha normal I wouldn't think that was a good* thing to hear from a disk, but
I guess if it worked....
*stares in horror*
haha 5.25" disks.... the true "floppy"

--------------
Those who do not read AGC are those that perish because their life is
boring...

"How do I create a coloured Norn instead of one of those 'brownish or gold'
ones?"
Ah the good old Days of C1!
Anonymous
June 12, 2005 11:07:54 PM

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"Thomas J. Boschloo" <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid> wrote in message
news:42ac68b7$0$148$3a628fcd@reader2.nntp.hccnet.nl...
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>
> The Triad wrote:
> > "emmel" <the_emmel*whatever*@gmx.net> wrote in message
> >
news:slrnda8ao5.5k9.the_emmel*whatever*@btcipinf22.cip.uni-bayreuth.de...
> >
> >>On 2005-06-05, Thomas J. Boschloo <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid> wrote:
> >>
> >>>emmel wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>And when it was 2005-06-04, illusion
> >>>><42a1e035$0$769$3a628fcd@reader10.nntp.hccnet.nl> was created,
> >>>>stating that Thomas J. Boschloo <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid>
> >>>>uttered in alt.games.creatures:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>emmel wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>And when it was 2005-06-03, illusion
> >>>>>><42a0cb47$0$151$3a628fcd@reader2.nntp.hccnet.nl> was created,
> >>>>>>stating that Thomas J. Boschloo <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid>
> >>>>>>uttered in alt.games.creatures:
> >>>
> >>><snip>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>Since there are no (official) DVD players for *nix, they could also
be
> >>>>>>>deemed illegal. So posting DeCSS (which probably resulted in
> >>>>>>>libdvdcss)
> >>>>>>>might get the author in legal difficulties.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Anonymity allows you to 'share' programs like DeCSS in a safe way
for
> >>>>>>>the authors. It would have saved Jon Johansen three years of
trail..
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>That's not the point. I mean, it's something *worth* fighting for.
And
> >>>>>>anyway, building software anonymously is pretty much pointless. I
don't
> >>>>>>know if you realize that, but in Open Source feedback is just about
> >>>>>>everything. The only software distributed anonymously is the kind of
> >>>>>>stuff script kiddies use. Keep that in mind.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>It is illegal now due to the Digital Millennium Copyright Act and
it's
> >>>>>EU counterpart. Remember that Adobe guy that got arrested in America
a
> >>>>>few years ago?! <http://www.schneier.com/crypto-gram-0108.html#6&gt;
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Not really. And I think copyright policies are still subject to the
> >>>>countries jurisdiction. EU guidelines are no laws.
> >>>
> >>>He was a researcher at Elcomsoft <http://www.elcomsoft.com/apdfpr.html&gt;
> >>>that broke the protection in the DRM format of Adobe Acrobat Reader. He
> >>>went to the US for a speech the security of this on Defcon and got
> >>>arrested by the FBI because of this. I think he got off free, but I
have
> >>>the feeling that things will only get worse in the near future :-(
> >>
> >>::nods::
> >>Especially in the US they are... a bit extreme...
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> > Semi-related Slashdot article:
> >
> >
http://politics.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/06/09/00...
> >
> > The comments are worth at least skimming, as well.
>
> It's scary. I think we were safe enough during the cold war! I don't
> know what is so radically different in our current situation that calls
> for all these new powers and I fear it is just a bunch of politicians
> with nothing to do.. so they start drafting new laws to 'make the public
> happy'.
>
> Thomas

*is reminded of a long ago, dusty quote*
*dusts off quote*
Absolute power corrupts absolutely.... and so on

As well as 1984's insight about "Constant war being required to maintain
peace *cough* Iraq
*relurks for fear of political backlash from the US and AGC*

--------------
Those who do not read AGC are those that perish because their life is
boring...

"How do I create a coloured Norn instead of one of those 'brownish or gold'
ones?"
Ah the good old Days of C1!
Anonymous
June 13, 2005 1:18:30 PM

Archived from groups: alt.games.creatures (More info?)

And when it was 2005-06-12, illusion
<42ac60e1$0$765$3a628fcd@reader10.nntp.hccnet.nl> was created,
stating that Thomas J. Boschloo <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid>
uttered in alt.games.creatures:

>
> emmel wrote:
>> On 2005-06-05, Thomas J. Boschloo <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>Jim Eha wrote:
>>><snip>
>>>
>>>>Those who do not read AGC are those that perish because their life is
>>>>boring;
>>>
>>>Good point..
>>>
>>>
>>>>i.e. not constantly filled with fear of 'the carpet' and discussions of
>>>>magic and bending the laws of nature (physics, magic,....hm more physics,
>>>>some JNCOBOY content about... physics..... *begins to sense a pattern*)
>>>>
>>>>*looks down searching for the cheese....*
>>>>That's funny...
>>>>
>>>>*there is no cheese* heh
>>>
>>>I do not fear the carpet. The carpet is my friend now.. We've both
>>>showed our teeth and know what to expect of each other :-)
>>
>>
>> <g> If want to call it like that...
>
> Well, if it bites, I has got to have teeth? Doesn't it? <looks closer at
> carpet> <ducks>

Careful...
--
emmel <the_emmel*you-know-what-that's-for*@gmx.net>
(Don't forget to remove the ** bit)

Official AGC feedback maniac

"God is playing creatures - and we're the norns."

"A hundred dead are a tragedy - a hundred thousand are statistics."

"I guess you can call yourself lucky." -
"I could, but Linda suits me a little better... :) 
Things called lucky tend to get hit by trucks."

Hi, I'm a .sig virus. Just copy me to your .signature. And don't worry.
Anonymous
June 13, 2005 1:19:52 PM

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And when it was 2005-06-12, illusion
<42ac68b2$0$148$3a628fcd@reader2.nntp.hccnet.nl> was created,
stating that Thomas J. Boschloo <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid>
uttered in alt.games.creatures:

> I managed to get e.g. J-Bird from 5 1/4 to a zip file and it would work!
> Even with highscores (very tricky) and monochrome screens.. I'll post it
> as an attachment <looks evily at emmel>.

::looks back evily::
--
emmel <the_emmel*you-know-what-that's-for*@gmx.net>
(Don't forget to remove the ** bit)

Official AGC feedback maniac

"God is playing creatures - and we're the norns."

"A hundred dead are a tragedy - a hundred thousand are statistics."

"I guess you can call yourself lucky." -
"I could, but Linda suits me a little better... :) 
Things called lucky tend to get hit by trucks."

Hi, I'm a .sig virus. Just copy me to your .signature. And don't worry.
Anonymous
June 13, 2005 1:20:33 PM

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And when it was 2005-06-12, illusion
<8Lydne_9M8JUIjHfRVn-hA@rogers.com> was created,
stating that Jim Eha <spikeaceon@yahoo.com>
uttered in alt.games.creatures:

> haha normal I wouldn't think that was a good* thing to hear from a disk, but
> I guess if it worked....
> *stares in horror*
> haha 5.25" disks.... the true "floppy"

No, the true ones were the 15".
--
emmel <the_emmel*you-know-what-that's-for*@gmx.net>
(Don't forget to remove the ** bit)

Official AGC feedback maniac

"God is playing creatures - and we're the norns."

"A hundred dead are a tragedy - a hundred thousand are statistics."

"I guess you can call yourself lucky." -
"I could, but Linda suits me a little better... :) 
Things called lucky tend to get hit by trucks."

Hi, I'm a .sig virus. Just copy me to your .signature. And don't worry.
Anonymous
June 13, 2005 1:21:55 PM

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And when it was 2005-06-12, illusion
<d8hdr8$ku9$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk> was created,
stating that The Triad <wanderer@beeb.web>
uttered in alt.games.creatures:

> Semi-related Slashdot article:
>
> http://politics.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/06/09/00...
>
> The comments are worth at least skimming, as well.

Frightening, isn't it?
--
emmel <the_emmel*you-know-what-that's-for*@gmx.net>
(Don't forget to remove the ** bit)

Official AGC feedback maniac

"God is playing creatures - and we're the norns."

"A hundred dead are a tragedy - a hundred thousand are statistics."

"I guess you can call yourself lucky." -
"I could, but Linda suits me a little better... :) 
Things called lucky tend to get hit by trucks."

Hi, I'm a .sig virus. Just copy me to your .signature. And don't worry.
Anonymous
June 13, 2005 1:28:40 PM

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"Jim Eha" <spikeaceon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:8IOdnZfRMofXXTHfRVn-ig@rogers.com...
> "Thomas J. Boschloo" <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid> wrote in message
> news:42ac68b7$0$148$3a628fcd@reader2.nntp.hccnet.nl...
>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>>
>> The Triad wrote:
>> > "emmel" <the_emmel*whatever*@gmx.net> wrote in message
>> >
> news:slrnda8ao5.5k9.the_emmel*whatever*@btcipinf22.cip.uni-bayreuth.de...
>> >
>> >>On 2005-06-05, Thomas J. Boschloo <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>emmel wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>>And when it was 2005-06-04, illusion
>> >>>><42a1e035$0$769$3a628fcd@reader10.nntp.hccnet.nl> was created,
>> >>>>stating that Thomas J. Boschloo <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid>
>> >>>>uttered in alt.games.creatures:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>emmel wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>And when it was 2005-06-03, illusion
>> >>>>>><42a0cb47$0$151$3a628fcd@reader2.nntp.hccnet.nl> was created,
>> >>>>>>stating that Thomas J. Boschloo <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid>
>> >>>>>>uttered in alt.games.creatures:
>> >>>
>> >>><snip>
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>Since there are no (official) DVD players for *nix, they could
>> >>>>>>>also
> be
>> >>>>>>>deemed illegal. So posting DeCSS (which probably resulted in
>> >>>>>>>libdvdcss)
>> >>>>>>>might get the author in legal difficulties.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>Anonymity allows you to 'share' programs like DeCSS in a safe way
> for
>> >>>>>>>the authors. It would have saved Jon Johansen three years of
> trail..
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>That's not the point. I mean, it's something *worth* fighting for.
> And
>> >>>>>>anyway, building software anonymously is pretty much pointless. I
> don't
>> >>>>>>know if you realize that, but in Open Source feedback is just about
>> >>>>>>everything. The only software distributed anonymously is the kind
>> >>>>>>of
>> >>>>>>stuff script kiddies use. Keep that in mind.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>It is illegal now due to the Digital Millennium Copyright Act and
> it's
>> >>>>>EU counterpart. Remember that Adobe guy that got arrested in America
> a
>> >>>>>few years ago?! <http://www.schneier.com/crypto-gram-0108.html#6&gt;
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Not really. And I think copyright policies are still subject to the
>> >>>>countries jurisdiction. EU guidelines are no laws.
>> >>>
>> >>>He was a researcher at Elcomsoft
>> >>><http://www.elcomsoft.com/apdfpr.html&gt;
>> >>>that broke the protection in the DRM format of Adobe Acrobat Reader.
>> >>>He
>> >>>went to the US for a speech the security of this on Defcon and got
>> >>>arrested by the FBI because of this. I think he got off free, but I
> have
>> >>>the feeling that things will only get worse in the near future :-(
>> >>
>> >>::nods::
>> >>Especially in the US they are... a bit extreme...
>> >
>> > <snip>
>> >
>> > Semi-related Slashdot article:
>> >
>> >
> http://politics.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/06/09/00...
>> >
>> > The comments are worth at least skimming, as well.
>>
>> It's scary. I think we were safe enough during the cold war! I don't
>> know what is so radically different in our current situation that calls
>> for all these new powers and I fear it is just a bunch of politicians
>> with nothing to do.. so they start drafting new laws to 'make the public
>> happy'.
>>
>> Thomas
>
> *is reminded of a long ago, dusty quote*
> *dusts off quote*
> Absolute power corrupts absolutely.... and so on
>
> As well as 1984's insight about "Constant war being required to maintain
> peace *cough* Iraq

Yep.

....for so long, there's been a nebulous, ever-changing War... first the
Cold War, then the War on Drugs, then the War on Poverty at some point which
quickly shifted back to the War on Drugs when it backfired so horribly that
almost everyone could see it, and now the War on Terror... all the
restrictions which have nothing to do with what they're supposed to be
guarding against... [cue example about mandatory ID cards when the relevant
terrorists whom they're being imposed 'because of' had valid ID']

Argh.

(...fascism... it's so very, very easy...)

> *relurks for fear of political backlash from the US and AGC*

"Augh! Come back! Or at least, don't burn your bridges!"

--
The Triad
Anonymous
June 14, 2005 1:19:43 PM

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"emmel" <the_emmel*whatever*@gmx.net> wrote in message
news:slrndaqjt2.1u7.the_emmel*whatever*@storm.mlnet...
> And when it was 2005-06-12, illusion
> <d8hdr8$ku9$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk> was created,
> stating that The Triad <wanderer@beeb.web>
> uttered in alt.games.creatures:
>
>> Semi-related Slashdot article:
>>
>> http://politics.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/06/09/00...
>>
>> The comments are worth at least skimming, as well.
>
> Frightening, isn't it?

*nods*

Very. The chances of me/us someday permanently moving to America are now...
*checks* ...practically nil.

--
The Triad
Anonymous
June 14, 2005 6:15:44 PM

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On 2005-06-14, The Triad <wanderer@beeb.web> wrote:
> "emmel" <the_emmel*whatever*@gmx.net> wrote in message
> news:slrndaqjt2.1u7.the_emmel*whatever*@storm.mlnet...
>> And when it was 2005-06-12, illusion
>> <d8hdr8$ku9$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk> was created,
>> stating that The Triad <wanderer@beeb.web>
>> uttered in alt.games.creatures:
>>
>>> Semi-related Slashdot article:
>>>
>>> http://politics.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/06/09/00...
>>>
>>> The comments are worth at least skimming, as well.
>>
>> Frightening, isn't it?
>
> *nods*
>
> Very. The chances of me/us someday permanently moving to America are now...
> *checks* ...practically nil.

Same here. But then I never really played with the though. (That is the
USA, Canada would be nice, but my french is non existing...)
--
emmel <the_emmel*you-know-what-that's-for*@gmx.net>
(Don't forget to remove the ** bit)

Official AGC feedback maniac

"God is playing creatures - and we're the norns."

"A hundred dead are a tragedy - a hundred thousand are statistics."

"I guess you can call yourself lucky." -
"I could, but Linda suits me a little better... :) 
Things called lucky tend to get hit by trucks."

Hi, I'm a .sig virus. Just copy me to your .signature. And don't worry.
Anonymous
June 15, 2005 2:46:48 PM

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On 2005-06-13, The Triad <wanderer@beeb.web> wrote:
> "Jim Eha" <spikeaceon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:8IOdnZfRMofXXTHfRVn-ig@rogers.com...
>> "Thomas J. Boschloo" <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:42ac68b7$0$148$3a628fcd@reader2.nntp.hccnet.nl...
>> *is reminded of a long ago, dusty quote*
>> *dusts off quote*
>> Absolute power corrupts absolutely.... and so on
>>
>> As well as 1984's insight about "Constant war being required to maintain
>> peace *cough* Iraq
>
> Yep.
>
> ...for so long, there's been a nebulous, ever-changing War... first the
> Cold War, then the War on Drugs, then the War on Poverty at some point which
> quickly shifted back to the War on Drugs when it backfired so horribly that
> almost everyone could see it, and now the War on Terror... all the
> restrictions which have nothing to do with what they're supposed to be
> guarding against... [cue example about mandatory ID cards when the relevant
> terrorists whom they're being imposed 'because of' had valid ID']
>
> Argh.
>
> (...fascism... it's so very, very easy...)

::nods:: Far too.

>> *relurks for fear of political backlash from the US and AGC*

I don't think there's any danger from AGC...

> "Augh! Come back! Or at least, don't burn your bridges!"

::sets bridges on fire::
--
emmel <the_emmel*you-know-what-that's-for*@gmx.net>
(Don't forget to remove the ** bit)

Official AGC feedback maniac

"God is playing creatures - and we're the norns."

"A hundred dead are a tragedy - a hundred thousand are statistics."

"I guess you can call yourself lucky." -
"I could, but Linda suits me a little better... :) 
Things called lucky tend to get hit by trucks."

Hi, I'm a .sig virus. Just copy me to your .signature. And don't worry.
Anonymous
June 15, 2005 2:47:36 PM

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On 2005-06-12, Thomas J. Boschloo <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid> wrote:
>
> The Triad wrote:
>> "emmel" <the_emmel*whatever*@gmx.net> wrote in message
>> news:slrnda8ao5.5k9.the_emmel*whatever*@btcipinf22.cip.uni-bayreuth.de...

> It's scary. I think we were safe enough during the cold war! I don't
> know what is so radically different in our current situation that calls
> for all these new powers and I fear it is just a bunch of politicians
> with nothing to do.. so they start drafting new laws to 'make the public
> happy'.

It's all about power and it has always been.
--
emmel <the_emmel*you-know-what-that's-for*@gmx.net>
(Don't forget to remove the ** bit)

Official AGC feedback maniac

"God is playing creatures - and we're the norns."

"A hundred dead are a tragedy - a hundred thousand are statistics."

"I guess you can call yourself lucky." -
"I could, but Linda suits me a little better... :) 
Things called lucky tend to get hit by trucks."

Hi, I'm a .sig virus. Just copy me to your .signature. And don't worry.
Anonymous
June 17, 2005 10:24:00 PM

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emmel wrote:
> And when it was 2005-06-12, illusion
> <42ac60e1$0$765$3a628fcd@reader10.nntp.hccnet.nl> was created,
> stating that Thomas J. Boschloo <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid>
> uttered in alt.games.creatures:
>
>
>>emmel wrote:
>>
>>>On 2005-06-05, Thomas J. Boschloo <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Jim Eha wrote:
>>>><snip>
>>>>
>>>>>Those who do not read AGC are those that perish because their life is
>>>>>boring;
>>>>
>>>>Good point..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>i.e. not constantly filled with fear of 'the carpet' and discussions of
>>>>>magic and bending the laws of nature (physics, magic,....hm more physics,
>>>>>some JNCOBOY content about... physics..... *begins to sense a pattern*)
>>>>>
>>>>>*looks down searching for the cheese....*
>>>>>That's funny...
>>>>>
>>>>>*there is no cheese* heh
>>>>
>>>>I do not fear the carpet. The carpet is my friend now.. We've both
>>>>showed our teeth and know what to expect of each other :-)
>>>
>>>
>>><g> If want to call it like that...
>>
>>Well, if it bites, I has got to have teeth? Doesn't it? <looks closer at
>>carpet> <ducks>
>
>
> Careful...

I like living on the edge (on usenet that is).. Besides, so far that
carpet has done nothing that couldn't be fixed with some iodine and some
bandages :-)
Thomas
- --
"You can't be safer, can't be more secure than with a breast in each
palm, that's the way I was born and that's the way I want to die" -
Sugarcubes, Mama, 1988
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Anonymous
June 17, 2005 10:26:40 PM

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emmel wrote:
> And when it was 2005-06-12, illusion
> <42ac68b2$0$148$3a628fcd@reader2.nntp.hccnet.nl> was created,
> stating that Thomas J. Boschloo <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid>
> uttered in alt.games.creatures:
>
>
>>I managed to get e.g. J-Bird from 5 1/4 to a zip file and it would work!
>>Even with highscores (very tricky) and monochrome screens.. I'll post it
>>as an attachment <looks evily at emmel>.
>
>
> ::looks back evily::

Well, there always is alt.binaries.games.creatures. Is that still in use
back here?

Thomas
- --
"You can't be safer, can't be more secure than with a breast in each
palm, that's the way I was born and that's the way I want to die" -
Sugarcubes, Mama, 1988
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Anonymous
June 20, 2005 4:59:49 PM

Archived from groups: alt.games.creatures (More info?)

On 2005-06-17, Thomas J. Boschloo <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid> wrote:
>
> emmel wrote:
>> And when it was 2005-06-12, illusion
>> <42ac60e1$0$765$3a628fcd@reader10.nntp.hccnet.nl> was created,
>> stating that Thomas J. Boschloo <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid>
>> uttered in alt.games.creatures:
>>
>>
>>>emmel wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 2005-06-05, Thomas J. Boschloo <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Jim Eha wrote:
>>>>><snip>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Those who do not read AGC are those that perish because their life is
>>>>>>boring;
>>>>>
>>>>>Good point..
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>i.e. not constantly filled with fear of 'the carpet' and discussions of
>>>>>>magic and bending the laws of nature (physics, magic,....hm more physics,
>>>>>>some JNCOBOY content about... physics..... *begins to sense a pattern*)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>*looks down searching for the cheese....*
>>>>>>That's funny...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>*there is no cheese* heh
>>>>>
>>>>>I do not fear the carpet. The carpet is my friend now.. We've both
>>>>>showed our teeth and know what to expect of each other :-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>><g> If want to call it like that...
>>>
>>>Well, if it bites, I has got to have teeth? Doesn't it? <looks closer at
>>>carpet> <ducks>
>>
>>
>> Careful...
>
> I like living on the edge (on usenet that is).. Besides, so far that
> carpet has done nothing that couldn't be fixed with some iodine and some
> bandages :-)

Look, there are certain mistakes... you only get the chance to do once,
you know. Like blowing up a nuclear bomb in your house (while you are
in) or... messing with the carpet...
--
emmel <the_emmel*you-know-what-that's-for*@gmx.net>
(Don't forget to remove the ** bit)

Official AGC feedback maniac

"God is playing creatures - and we're the norns."

"A hundred dead are a tragedy - a hundred thousand are statistics."

"I guess you can call yourself lucky." -
"I could, but Linda suits me a little better... :) 
Things called lucky tend to get hit by trucks."

Hi, I'm a .sig virus. Just copy me to your .signature. And don't worry.
Anonymous
June 20, 2005 5:00:44 PM

Archived from groups: alt.games.creatures (More info?)

On 2005-06-17, Thomas J. Boschloo <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid> wrote:
>
> emmel wrote:
>> And when it was 2005-06-12, illusion
>> <42ac68b2$0$148$3a628fcd@reader2.nntp.hccnet.nl> was created,
>> stating that Thomas J. Boschloo <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid>
>> uttered in alt.games.creatures:
>>
>>
>>>I managed to get e.g. J-Bird from 5 1/4 to a zip file and it would work!
>>>Even with highscores (very tricky) and monochrome screens.. I'll post it
>>>as an attachment <looks evily at emmel>.
>>
>>
>> ::looks back evily::
>
> Well, there always is alt.binaries.games.creatures. Is that still in use
> back here?

I wouldn't know, my news server doesn't carry it and I can't use
another one.
--
emmel <the_emmel*you-know-what-that's-for*@gmx.net>
(Don't forget to remove the ** bit)

Official AGC feedback maniac

"God is playing creatures - and we're the norns."

"A hundred dead are a tragedy - a hundred thousand are statistics."

"I guess you can call yourself lucky." -
"I could, but Linda suits me a little better... :) 
Things called lucky tend to get hit by trucks."

Hi, I'm a .sig virus. Just copy me to your .signature. And don't worry.
Anonymous
June 20, 2005 11:36:03 PM

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emmel schreef:
> On 2005-06-17, Thomas J. Boschloo <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid> wrote:
>
>>emmel wrote:
>>
>>>And when it was 2005-06-12, illusion
>>><42ac68b2$0$148$3a628fcd@reader2.nntp.hccnet.nl> was created,
>>>stating that Thomas J. Boschloo <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid>
>>>uttered in alt.games.creatures:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>I managed to get e.g. J-Bird from 5 1/4 to a zip file and it would work!
>>>>Even with highscores (very tricky) and monochrome screens.. I'll post it
>>>>as an attachment <looks evily at emmel>.
>>>
>>>
>>>::looks back evily::
>>
>>Well, there always is alt.binaries.games.creatures. Is that still in use
>>back here?
>
>
> I wouldn't know, my news server doesn't carry it and I can't use
> another one.

That's a real shame!
Thomas
- --
"You can't be safer, can't be more secure than with a breast in each
palm, that's the way I was born and that's the way I want to die" -
Sugarcubes, Mama, 1988
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Anonymous
June 21, 2005 5:00:45 PM

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On 2005-06-20, Thomas J. Boschloo <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid> wrote:
>
> emmel schreef:
>> On 2005-06-17, Thomas J. Boschloo <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>emmel wrote:
>>>
>>>>And when it was 2005-06-12, illusion
>>>><42ac68b2$0$148$3a628fcd@reader2.nntp.hccnet.nl> was created,
>>>>stating that Thomas J. Boschloo <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid>
>>>>uttered in alt.games.creatures:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I managed to get e.g. J-Bird from 5 1/4 to a zip file and it would work!
>>>>>Even with highscores (very tricky) and monochrome screens.. I'll post it
>>>>>as an attachment <looks evily at emmel>.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>::looks back evily::
>>>
>>>Well, there always is alt.binaries.games.creatures. Is that still in use
>>>back here?
>>
>>
>> I wouldn't know, my news server doesn't carry it and I can't use
>> another one.
>
> That's a real shame!

Well, they *have* to pay for the bandwidth and there's hardly anything
but spam and illegal stuff there anyway...
--
emmel <the_emmel*you-know-what-that's-for*@gmx.net>
(Don't forget to remove the ** bit)

Official AGC feedback maniac

"God is playing creatures - and we're the norns."

"A hundred dead are a tragedy - a hundred thousand are statistics."

"I guess you can call yourself lucky." -
"I could, but Linda suits me a little better... :) 
Things called lucky tend to get hit by trucks."

Hi, I'm a .sig virus. Just copy me to your .signature. And don't worry.
Anonymous
June 21, 2005 5:02:45 PM

Archived from groups: alt.games.creatures (More info?)

On 2005-06-20, Thomas J. Boschloo <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid> wrote:
>
> emmel schreef:
>> On 2005-06-17, Thomas J. Boschloo <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>emmel wrote:
>>>
>>>>And when it was 2005-06-12, illusion
>>>><42ac60e1$0$765$3a628fcd@reader10.nntp.hccnet.nl> was created,
>>>>stating that Thomas J. Boschloo <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid>
>>>>uttered in alt.games.creatures:
>>>I like living on the edge (on usenet that is).. Besides, so far that
>>>carpet has done nothing that couldn't be fixed with some iodine and some
>>>bandages :-)
>>
>>
>> Look, there are certain mistakes... you only get the chance to do once,
>> you know. Like blowing up a nuclear bomb in your house (while you are
>> in) or... messing with the carpet...
>
> What if you life in a bombshelter from the cold war?

Then it'd still kill you. Shelters able to withstand a direct hit by a
nuclear bomb are very rare.

> Does it need a carpet?

Hm... <veg>

> Who created (weaved) that AGC carpet thing anyhow?

::shrugs::
I don't know and I'm *not* gonna ask it.
--
emmel <the_emmel*you-know-what-that's-for*@gmx.net>
(Don't forget to remove the ** bit)

Official AGC feedback maniac

"God is playing creatures - and we're the norns."

"A hundred dead are a tragedy - a hundred thousand are statistics."

"I guess you can call yourself lucky." -
"I could, but Linda suits me a little better... :) 
Things called lucky tend to get hit by trucks."

Hi, I'm a .sig virus. Just copy me to your .signature. And don't worry.
Anonymous
June 21, 2005 11:07:37 PM

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emmel schreef:
> On 2005-06-20, Thomas J. Boschloo <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid> wrote:
>
>>emmel schreef:
>>
>>>On 2005-06-17, Thomas J. Boschloo <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>emmel wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>And when it was 2005-06-12, illusion
>>>>><42ac68b2$0$148$3a628fcd@reader2.nntp.hccnet.nl> was created,
>>>>>stating that Thomas J. Boschloo <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid>
>>>>>uttered in alt.games.creatures:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I managed to get e.g. J-Bird from 5 1/4 to a zip file and it would work!
>>>>>>Even with highscores (very tricky) and monochrome screens.. I'll post it
>>>>>>as an attachment <looks evily at emmel>.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>::looks back evily::
>>>>
>>>>Well, there always is alt.binaries.games.creatures. Is that still in use
>>>>back here?
>>>
>>>
>>>I wouldn't know, my news server doesn't carry it and I can't use
>>>another one.
>>
>>That's a real shame!
>
>
> Well, they *have* to pay for the bandwidth and there's hardly anything
> but spam and illegal stuff there anyway...

You would know! Wouldn't you?
Thomas
- --
"You can't be safer, can't be more secure than with a breast in each
palm, that's the way I was born and that's the way I want to die" -
Sugarcubes, Mama, 1988
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