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September 6, 2006 3:39:22 AM

I have a few of questions, so forgive me if this seems to be such a long post. Ive been wanting to build my own computer for quite some time now, it will be a first. I have an entire system picked out and ready to purchase parts, but I have a few concerns.

1. What would be better, an AMD A2 DC 2.2Ghz processor or a Pentium D 3.4ghz processor. Most games and software you buy have a certain requirement for ghz to meet, like 800mhz or maybe 1.2ghz processor. Just curious as to which would be better and if this would affect anything like that.

2. Would it be a horrible idea to go ahead and build this rig which I will list below despite the upcomming release of Windows Vista? Or should I wait and see what the operating system turns out to be.

3. I currently own a Dell 2400 P4 2.6Ghz 1GB. It seems to perform like garbage and can only run the game I play most, which is Counter-Strike:Source at bare low graphics. This is why Im wanting to build a new pc, but in the event of question 2 being to wait, is there anyway to get more life out of the Dell?

4. I picked out all these parts for the new computer system I am interested in building. It is AMD A2 based. I would like to know if everything is compatable with all the components, and maybe anything else I can possibly change to make it perform better to run the CSS at great graphics.

5. Is the PSU a good choice, and will it be enough power to handle everything below? If it is possible to go to a lower wattage to save money, I would love to do so, but I am not sure, so I left it at what I have.

6. Is that a durable looking case to you? It seems nice and basic, and I think holds 2 hard-drives, which is a nice feature.

Motherboard - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...
Video Card - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...
Hard Drive - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1682... -
RAM - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1682...
PSU - http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E1681... -
DVD ROM - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1682...
Case - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...
Processor - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

I have kept posting this project off because I have no idea weather this is a good idea and a good build. I have a monitor I will be using for the time being, but I plan on getting a new one eventually. I am on a very tight budget, and the total cost of this projected build is just under $700. Any feedback is greatly appericated. I feel bad for asking so much but due to this being my first time, I have to learn from somewhere and someone. Thanks again guys, you dont know how much you have helped me. :) 

Rob

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September 6, 2006 4:17:42 AM

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1. What would be better, an AMD A2 DC 2.2Ghz processor or a Pentium D 3.4ghz processor. Most games and software you buy have a certain requirement for ghz to meet, like 800mhz or maybe 1.2ghz processor. Just curious as to which would be better and if this would affect anything like that.


The AMD performs better than the Intel, and it runs cooler, uses less power, etc. You might want to consider the X2 3800+ to save some money.

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2. Would it be a horrible idea to go ahead and build this rig which I will list below despite the upcomming release of Windows Vista? Or should I wait and see what the operating system turns out to be.


You should go ahead and build it; it meets the system requirements for Vista.

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3. I currently own a Dell 2400 P4 2.6Ghz 1GB. It seems to perform like garbage and can only run the game I play most, which is Counter-Strike:Source at bare low graphics. This is why Im wanting to build a new pc, but in the event of question 2 being to wait, is there anyway to get more life out of the Dell?


There are a couple things you could do:
1) Reformat the hard drive and reinstall Windows. I'm sure you know about all the junk software that Dell installs; reinstalling Windows gets rid of it all and makes the computer a lot faster and more responsive.
2) Upgrade the RAM.
3) Buy a standalone video card. You'll be limited to a PCI video card, but it will be better than the integrated grahpics.

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4. I picked out all these parts for the new computer system I am interested in building. It is AMD A2 based. I would like to know if everything is compatable with all the components, and maybe anything else I can possibly change to make it perform better to run the CSS at great graphics.


Change the video card. The 6800XT is the worst of the 6800 line; it's barely better than a 6600GT. Change the grahpics card to this BFG 7600GT, which is $114 after a $30 MIR.

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5. Is the PSU a good choice, and will it be enough power to handle everything below? If it is possible to go to a lower wattage to save money, I would love to do so, but I am not sure, so I left it at what I have.


That link to the PSU is broken; what is the brand and model?

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6. Is that a durable looking case to you? It seems nice and basic, and I think holds 2 hard-drives, which is a nice feature.


That case does not look good, and the power supply that it comes with is crap. Change it to the Antec Sonata II, which comes with a 450W SmartPower PSU.
September 6, 2006 4:34:18 AM

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I have a few of questions, so forgive me if this seems to be such a long post. Ive been wanting to build my own computer for quite some time now, it will be a first. I have an entire system picked out and ready to purchase parts, but I have a few concerns.

1. What would be better, an AMD A2 DC 2.2Ghz processor or a Pentium D 3.4ghz processor. Most games and software you buy have a certain requirement for ghz to meet, like 800mhz or maybe 1.2ghz processor. Just curious as to which would be better and if this would affect anything like that.

2. Would it be a horrible idea to go ahead and build this rig which I will list below despite the upcomming release of Windows Vista? Or should I wait and see what the operating system turns out to be.

3. I currently own a Dell 2400 P4 2.6Ghz 1GB. It seems to perform like garbage and can only run the game I play most, which is Counter-Strike:Source at bare low graphics. This is why Im wanting to build a new pc, but in the event of question 2 being to wait, is there anyway to get more life out of the Dell?

4. I picked out all these parts for the new computer system I am interested in building. It is AMD A2 based. I would like to know if everything is compatable with all the components, and maybe anything else I can possibly change to make it perform better to run the CSS at great graphics.

5. Is the PSU a good choice, and will it be enough power to handle everything below? If it is possible to go to a lower wattage to save money, I would love to do so, but I am not sure, so I left it at what I have.

6. Is that a durable looking case to you? It seems nice and basic, and I think holds 2 hard-drives, which is a nice feature.

Motherboard - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...
Video Card - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...
Hard Drive - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1682... -
RAM - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1682...
PSU - http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E1681... -
DVD ROM - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1682...
Case - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...
Processor - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

I have kept posting this project off because I have no idea weather this is a good idea and a good build. I have a monitor I will be using for the time being, but I plan on getting a new one eventually. I am on a very tight budget, and the total cost of this projected build is just under $700. Any feedback is greatly appericated. I feel bad for asking so much but due to this being my first time, I have to learn from somewhere and someone. Thanks again guys, you dont know how much you have helped me. :) 

Rob


Answer #1; IMO,AM2 is better than P4,even S939 cpu is better most of the time,but Conroe/C2D is better than AM2.


Answer #2; IMO, Vista's not worth any hardware upgrades yet,i wont be using most of it's features, heck, that's the case with winxp so i won't be using Vistaanyway..i'll just stick to winxp pro as long as possible, and when DX10 card are out, have stable arch.+driver and the price is right while intel/amd have newer cpu, then i'll upgrade.



Answer #3; I've never bought Dell/HP's pc etc.IMO, if your system/board have AGP (or is it PCIe :?: ) expansion slot, try buying one or borrow your friends card and install it.run/test a few games. your current rig is of course not at top of the line, but still would run fine.A clean WinXP install might help a lot since such pc usu. loaded with tons of bloatware, running unnecessary services.U could save some money here :wink:

Answer #4,5 and 6; Sorry, I've never build AM2 based sys, so i have no say here. u probably want to use the search function regarding AM2 builds..

Never feel ashamed to ask for something u don't know or others called u noob, human learns by time and experience they encounter, To me, a real noob is, well, babies... :wink:
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September 6, 2006 4:36:07 AM

Aahh..angry_ducky beat me by 17 min :lol:  .....
September 6, 2006 5:22:53 AM

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Aahh..angry_ducky beat me by 17 min :lol:  .....


17 min is a substantial amount of time, you know. And the funny part is that we had almost the same answers.

Definition of a n00b: some consider it to be synonymous with newbie (n00b is short for n00bie which is newbie 1337ified), while others make the distinction that "n00b" is an insult applicable to anyone acting stupid and "newbie" is an affectionate term for new users.

The OP is a newbie; flamers are n00bs.
September 6, 2006 5:31:18 AM

hi
AMD might give you a cheap alternative but the conroe is amazing for your tight budget the E6300 will be fine ,but amd also has a good cheap line of processors here and the prices are going down everymonth :) .i personally feel the conroe is better than the amd parts in price and performance both and please get you self a descent graphic card , i am also a CS fan and try fitting the nvidia 7 series card in your big box these are great the 7600 GS is good for average gamers with average budgets .
have a nice time bulidin a nu cpu
September 7, 2006 3:47:56 AM

When you say Conore, do you mean ANY Conore built my Intel, like a Pentium D Conore, or are you strictly refering to a Intel Core 2 Duo?

I changed my video card to what you suggested, which was the BFG

What I mean by processor speed requirements is like, if you look at the game I play, which is Counter Strike: Source, requires at recommended 2.4ghz processor speed. If I went with the AMD A2 processor, which is at max speed of 2.2ghz, will this affect anything? Also, I do not plan to overclock or watercool at all. I have absoulty no interested in that type of stuff right now.

The power supply I have picked out is this.
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E1681...
Is that a quality PSU to complete this build.

Also, here is a new case I was looking at since you suggested the one provided first was not that healthy looking.
http://www.xoxide.com/x-static-2-black.html
Let me know if that is any better than the first case I prodived the link to.

My main goal to acomplish with this build is to play basically the only game I play, which is Counter Strike: Source at max graphics possibly with a decent FPS. Work will be done on it as well, which is why I choose the dual core. Let me know if this meets the requirements. Thanks again for the help guys.

Rob
September 7, 2006 4:27:50 AM

cylis, that PS is plenty good enough. The case, however, is a bit weak (although it does look flashy). Pick a case with at least 120mm fans (or mounting places) at bottom front and below the PS on the back. The case you listed can only mount 80mm fans in those places. Don't forget to include the cost of the fans if they don't come with the case.
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