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September 6, 2006 2:13:59 PM

Ok
I have a s939 motherboard (a8n-SLI premium) and planning on buying the best processor I can get for this socket, the fx57 or fx60 i suppose....
the price of these processor have dropped....

So I need some help...

Wich one of the two offer the most lifespan value ?
Wich one of the two is really the most powerful (there are not so many applications and games that really utilise the dual core possibilities, for now)

I'm planning on keeping s939 system for, at least, two more years, so I want the best I can have for...

Thank you in advance for your advice !!!

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September 6, 2006 3:28:32 PM

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Ok
I have a s939 motherboard (a8n-SLI premium) and planning on buying the best processor I can get for this socket, the fx57 or fx60 i suppose....
the price of these processor have dropped....

So I need some help...

Wich one of the two offer the most lifespan value ?
Wich one of the two is really the most powerful (there are not so many applications and games that really utilise the dual core possibilities, for now)

I'm planning on keeping s939 system for, at least, two more years, so I want the best I can have for...

Thank you in advance for your advice !!!


I would go with the FX57. For less money the C2D E6600 which kills the FX57 is an option. The C2D MB and RAM add hundreds of dollars to the cost of building, but if you have it a C2D 6600 is the superior performing chip. I'm trying to decide whether to build a FX57 as well. The FX60 is too expensive.

http://www23.tomshardware.com/cpu.html?modelx=33&model1...
September 6, 2006 3:56:21 PM

or get a dual core athlonx2 socket 939 like the 4600+ and overclock? well it'll be cheaper than the fx series 939. all athlonx2s i think should work with any 939 motherboard ...i think ... :) 
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September 6, 2006 4:18:47 PM

I would suggest buying an Opteron 165 and overclocking it. I had read a lot about people doing this and I was skeptical about it. Recently, I upgraded my 4000+ to an Opteron 165 (which runs at 1.8 GHz stock w/ 2x 1MB cache per core). I was able to overclock it by 50 percent with nothing more than an aftermarket Zallman cooler and no voltage increases. I don't even have really good overclocking RAM!

Here's my CPU-Z validation: http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=119021

If anything, you should be able to get your Opteron to at least 2.3 or 2.4 GHz if you have good enough cooling in your system (people have gotten it past 3.0 GHz before). At that point, 200 - 300 MHz difference really doesn't justify the price gap between the Opteron 165 and the FX-60.

I wouldn't buy the FX-57 anyway because it isn't dual core and I believe that makes the upgrade less futureproof. Good luck!
September 6, 2006 4:24:44 PM

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For less money the C2D E6600 which kills the FX57 is an option. The C2D MB and RAM add hundreds of dollars to the cost of building, but if you have it a C2D 6600 is the superior performing chip. I'm trying to decide whether to build a FX57 as well. The FX60 is too expensive.

http://www23.tomshardware.com/cpu.html?modelx=33&model1...


Right; the FX series is especially put to shame by C2D so my advice is:
1-Go Core 2 Duo if you have the budget
2-OC your current build to FX-57 or FX-53 levels until you get a good budget.
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September 6, 2006 4:32:17 PM

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For less money the C2D E6600 which kills the FX57 is an option. The C2D MB and RAM add hundreds of dollars to the cost of building, but if you have it a C2D 6600 is the superior performing chip. I'm trying to decide whether to build a FX57 as well. The FX60 is too expensive.

http://www23.tomshardware.com/cpu.html?modelx=33&model1...


Right; the FX series is especially put to shame by C2D so my advice is:
1-Go Core 2 Duo if you have the budget
2-OC your current build to FX-57 or FX-53 levels until you get a good budget.

I'm hijacking the thread, but I have a similar situation as the OP. I have a spare MSI K8n-SLI Platinum 939 MB. All I need is a s939 chip (FX57, X2) and I have RAM, everything etc. except a HD which is cheap. The FX57 is $415! Nice price for the former champ of the computing wars. Then there is the C2D 6600 for $360. I have no MB to support C2D and I'll eventually need some DDR2 PC6400 800mhz. RAM. 'Spensive to say the least. I have a matched 512 meg. pair of OCZ Gold PC5400 667 Mhz I can go with if I do the 6600 build. I just need a MB? Any suggestions. Thanks in advance. I leaning toward the C2D 6600 build.
September 6, 2006 5:05:31 PM

you can always find a 3700+ which has the same core as FX and overclock it to FX-57 speeds.

I had mine at FX-55 speeds, tonight I plan to loosen my ram up a bit and take it to FX-57.

But alas... they no longer make 3700+.... because why would you buy an FX-57 when you could buy a 3700+ and clock it to match for hundreds cheaper.
September 6, 2006 5:31:00 PM

For $300.00 you can have an X2 +4800 from NewEgg that will OC to an FX60. The only reason I recommend the Toledo core is I think Vista will make better use of Hyperthreading and Hyperthreading makes better use of bigger L2's.
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September 6, 2006 5:37:07 PM

There are quite a few factors that play into your situation, with an exsisting s939 setup and 939 CPUs still on the market for cheaper than they were 2 months ago, you need to seriously consider just a simply drop-in for a performance boost.

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I would look at an 3800+ and overclock (best value for the money), even a 4200+ would be decent --- at 4600+ price points then it becomes do I want to consider a C2D build, if you are looking for 5000+ type performance, then I is almost certain you can go C2D and really shine.


Scary, I am thinking like you and I only have an undergrauate degree in education :D  The 3800+ x2 is $150. I could get that and a new LCD 20" wide screen for the $415 an FX57 costs. Do you think 20 yeras from now I could sell a FX57 build to an excentric collector for boocoo bucks?

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An E6600 with a decent MB will give you FX-62 type performance, and with a little overclock will meet or exceed the future FX-64 performance (assuming AMD's typcial 200 MHz speed bump). You can pair up an E6600, MB, and memory for ~650 bucks if you look for the bargains. (350 for CPU, 150-200 for MB and 100-150 for memory).


Ain't that the truth. I want to use my OCZ DDR2 PC5400 667 mhz. to do the build and upgrade to PC6400 800 mhz. later. Checked and found the ASUS P5W DH Deluxe supports PC5400 DDR2 667 mhz. With your knowledge about the subject and the research out there, what MB(s) would be a good choice for a 6600 C2D build n your opinion?

This 975 chipset is high dollar:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...


This 965 chiset is more down to earth:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

Hey, good price on this Nvidia chip. No DDR2 800 mhz. support (I don't have 800mhz, but in the future I may pay the price...so:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...


I may be able to pull this C2D build off and replace the system in my sig. FX62 speeds are sounding good. May become a reality. Thanks in advance.
September 6, 2006 5:54:41 PM

I think the FX-57 is the better buy, unless you really need dual core performance. But really, a X2 4800+ will overclock to about the same speed for less money and that gives you a dual core if you need it.
September 6, 2006 6:00:24 PM

Interesting...

My MB (nF4) only support PC-3200 DDR, I cannot go Am2, and I think that the fx-62 wont fit on my MB

So some say that I should go with an X2....

I'm not so familiar with oc, so it becomes more complicated when you talk about that....

I think that, now, I can have an fx57 for like 400 bucks, is it true ??

Does Fx57 with 2GB or 4GB OCZ Gold PC-3200 DDR would be a good choice ?
September 6, 2006 6:10:52 PM

A FX-57 runs $415 at Newegg. A X2 4800+ will cost $295 and save you $120 while giving only .4 ghz less. They come out even closer when overclocked.
September 6, 2006 7:51:04 PM

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Interesting...

My MB (nF4) only support PC-3200 DDR, I cannot go Am2, and I think that the fx-62 wont fit on my MB

So some say that I should go with an X2....

I'm not so familiar with oc, so it becomes more complicated when you talk about that....

I think that, now, I can have an fx57 for like 400 bucks, is it true ??

Does Fx57 with 2GB or 4GB OCZ Gold PC-3200 DDR would be a good choice ?



You are out of your mind if you pick this processor over the 89Watt X2 4400 that I recommended too you. Did you not see that I posted most people are getting 2.8-3.0ghz on these things with little effort on stock cooling?

This chip is simply amazing and is getting alot of praise right now.

$231.00 for a dual core that can clock past FX60 speeds high plus your S939 system will go alot further on dual core.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

OK I see that this chip has the Toledo core...

Does the x2 4800+ is worth the buying too or the 4400+ is the best ?
September 6, 2006 7:58:48 PM

My luck with the X2 +4400 is not as good as RobsX2's (2.5GHz on 1.475v VCC on mine) that’s why I recommend spending the extra $60 for the X2 +4800. It starts you off faster to begin with and if OCing is not your bag, you still have a fast dual core as is.
September 6, 2006 8:01:07 PM

OK and ic the choice of memory's good ? ( 2gb or 4gb of OCZ Gold pc-3200 DDR dual channel)

And can you give me a link or something like that for overclocking settings for these processors

Thanks ! :D 
September 6, 2006 8:52:09 PM

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Ok
I have a s939 motherboard (a8n-SLI premium) and planning on buying the best processor I can get for this socket, the fx57 or fx60 i suppose....
the price of these processor have dropped....

So I need some help...

Wich one of the two offer the most lifespan value ?
Wich one of the two is really the most powerful (there are not so many applications and games that really utilise the dual core possibilities, for now)

I'm planning on keeping s939 system for, at least, two more years, so I want the best I can have for...

Thank you in advance for your advice !!!



The FX60 is DUAL CORE SO it will murdalize the FX57 in MOST things, especially multitasking.
September 6, 2006 8:52:34 PM

Quote:
Ok
I have a s939 motherboard (a8n-SLI premium) and planning on buying the best processor I can get for this socket, the fx57 or fx60 i suppose....
the price of these processor have dropped....

So I need some help...

Wich one of the two offer the most lifespan value ?
Wich one of the two is really the most powerful (there are not so many applications and games that really utilise the dual core possibilities, for now)

I'm planning on keeping s939 system for, at least, two more years, so I want the best I can have for...

Thank you in advance for your advice !!!



The FX60 is DUAL CORE SO it will murdalize the FX57 in MOST things, especially multitasking.
September 6, 2006 8:56:47 PM

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For $300.00 you can have an X2 +4800 from NewEgg that will OC to an FX60. The only reason I recommend the Toledo core is I think Vista will make better use of Hyperthreading and Hyperthreading makes better use of bigger L2's.


athlon x2 dont have hyperthreading .. but i see what your trying to say (vista is more multithreaded than xp) but yes bigger l2 caches will help...

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OK and ic the choice of memory's good ? ( 2gb or 4gb of OCZ Gold pc-3200 DDR dual channel)

And can you give me a link or something like that for overclocking settings for these processors

Thanks ! Very Happy


dont get 4gb of ram, get some cheaper ram, seeing as ddr is becoming less used so in future you cannot use it in a future build... i mean seeing as your buying the old and your not carring anything over (well not old but being phased out, not producing the 939s any more) you may as well get cheaper ram like 1-2 gb cas 2.5 or so. perhaps
September 6, 2006 8:59:06 PM

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noncestvrai wrote:
Ok
I have a s939 motherboard (a8n-SLI premium) and planning on buying the best processor I can get for this socket, the fx57 or fx60 i suppose....
the price of these processor have dropped....

So I need some help...

Wich one of the two offer the most lifespan value ?
Wich one of the two is really the most powerful (there are not so many applications and games that really utilise the dual core possibilities, for now)

I'm planning on keeping s939 system for, at least, two more years, so I want the best I can have for...

Thank you in advance for your advice !!!



The FX60 is DUAL CORE SO it will murdalize the FX57 in MOST things, especially multitasking.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 9:52 pm Post subject: Re: FX57 or FX60
noncestvrai wrote:
Ok
I have a s939 motherboard (a8n-SLI premium) and planning on buying the best processor I can get for this socket, the fx57 or fx60 i suppose....
the price of these processor have dropped....

So I need some help...

Wich one of the two offer the most lifespan value ?
Wich one of the two is really the most powerful (there are not so many applications and games that really utilise the dual core possibilities, for now)

I'm planning on keeping s939 system for, at least, two more years, so I want the best I can have for...

Thank you in advance for your advice !!!



The FX60 is DUAL CORE SO it will murdalize the FX57 in MOST things, especially multitasking.


double post :lol: 
September 7, 2006 2:04:58 PM

ok so If I buy an X2 4800+ pairing with OCZ gold PC-3200 2gb it should be a good choice...

And if prices drop again, should I go with FX-60 ?
September 7, 2006 3:50:36 PM

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ok so If I buy an X2 4800+ pairing with OCZ gold PC-3200 2gb it should be a good choice...


Yes

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And if prices drop again, should I go with FX-60 ?


No. The prices will not drop enough to justify getting that over the X2 4800, I have my X2 4800 overclocked to 2.7ghz which is faster than an FX-60 for half the cost. I could probably push it even further once the chip breaks in.

What this guy said.
September 7, 2006 3:56:08 PM

Since I believe AMD is dropping the FX60... they now have a "new" CPU with similar specs... same processor speed... same amount of cache. X2-5200... however, at $400 I think there are C2D's out there (or other X2's) that are a better value. If ANYONE recommends the FX-57... well, that's just plain silly.
September 7, 2006 4:01:55 PM

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You would be a idiot to buy a FX anything.


this person speaks the truth... for once...
September 7, 2006 4:05:05 PM

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You would be a idiot to buy a FX anything.


this person speaks the truth... for once...

That isn't very nice :p 
September 7, 2006 4:25:32 PM

neither,get the 4800 x2.the price is good now and it can be overclocked to fx speeds and it will be better in the future when more software is written to utilize the dual cores.fx 60 (dual core) is great cpu , its just still too damn expensive
September 7, 2006 4:42:27 PM

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ok so If I buy an X2 4800+ pairing with OCZ gold PC-3200 2gb it should be a good choice...

And if prices drop again, should I go with FX-60 ?

You do have a third choice. Waiting will most likly bring the prices down. AMD is currently getting hit by Intel on CPU sales. AMD is curretly in the process of lowering their AM2 CPU's costs to produce by moving them to 65nm. AMD can see profit in moving their 939 X2's to 65nm around the end of the year.

If you wait you will see lower prices on the 939 X2's at 90nm and could see a higher performance X2 65nm. Maybe a 939 X2 5000+ or X2 5200+ 65nm by the end of the year would give you the 2 year lifespan you want.

AMD knows theres a market for 939 X2's its just a matter of time till all the single core 939 AMD64 owners wanting upgrading and AMD having the 65nm capacity till it happens. My son is currently using a single core 3500+ and millions just like him already have a system and looking for a good cheap upgrade to dual core. AMD is moving into a slump on AM2 X2 sales and will turn to 939 mobo users for a profit.

I would suggest you buy some RAM, if you dont have 2GB's, and sit back till prices atleast fall a bit more.
September 7, 2006 4:57:55 PM

SO in the end would it be FX, Opteron Or x2??
I need to get a new cpu as well for the holidays :D 
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September 7, 2006 5:28:39 PM

FX-57, or FX-60.......... FX-60 right now. A year or so, I would have chosen the FX-57. This is only because of what the "future" holds....... hate that line. Still waiting for some things to take advantage of dual core technology, but let's face the facts.

There was talk of the 4800 x2 939. That chip is a pain in the ass to overclock for some reason, and you're not going to get a lot out of it. I don't care what anybody else has to say about it. I have one and I'm not impressed. ..... now I remember... the multiplier doesn't go above twelve....... What were they thinking ?

The FX-57 is under 400 bucks right now, so I'd buy both ....... LOL..... once the 939's are gone, they're gone, so make the right choice....good luck
September 7, 2006 5:35:10 PM

Thank you for that correction, I often use Hyperthreading (an Intel usage) rather than multithreading. Don’t know why term Hyperthreading is stuck in my brain.
September 7, 2006 5:38:33 PM

I don’t think you need 4GB of Ram, 2 should be sufficient.
September 7, 2006 6:00:15 PM

If you need a 939 part, keep in mind the fact that AMD will discontinue all Toledo cored CPU at the end of this year.
As for which one... keep in mind that ALL A64 CPU's top out at about 2.8 on air and 3.0 on water, so even a good OCer will have that limitation.
So it really comes down to is:
Manchester or Toledo (512 vs 1MB L2) (an FX60 is a Toledo and overpriced)
Or Opteron (which I think are WAY too expensive).
I would not get a single core any more.
My personal opinion on this and video cards as well is; get the best you can afford.
You never know how parts will OC, so you’re taking a risk if you get a slower part that turns out to be a dud. However, if your budget only allows an X2 +3800, then so be it.
September 7, 2006 6:05:03 PM

2.75v VCC? Is NOT what I would call low? I think you are referring to your RAM voltage?
September 7, 2006 8:14:26 PM

ok thanks for all the reply, interesting, and, educative, I is much clearer for me now ! :D 

One question, is the x2 5200+ will be available on s939 ?

Think I would buy 4800 x2.... :wink:

Thanks again folks !!
September 7, 2006 8:38:30 PM

one other question wich of these latency timings is the best (in gold series)

2-3-3-6
2-2-2-5
2-3-3-8
September 7, 2006 9:00:23 PM

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ok thanks for all the reply, interesting, and, educative, I is much clearer for me now ! :D 

One question, is the x2 5200+ will be available on s939 ?

Think I would buy 4800 x2.... :wink:

Thanks again folks !!

Nothing is planed but once AMD comes with their new core design , late this year or early next, they would be free to pump up the performance on the X2 939's. In short the AM2 would have to have the highest performance CPU before they could. If AMD did a 939 X2 5200+ it would be a 65nm part to cut production costs.
September 7, 2006 9:30:41 PM

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one other question wich of these latency timings is the best (in gold series)

2-3-3-6
2-2-2-5
2-3-3-8


The lowest latency is the best, so you will want 2-2-2-5!
September 7, 2006 9:54:39 PM

Thanks for all of you folks..... it is appreciated...

I owe you some beers !!! :roll: :roll:

hum yeah.....
September 7, 2006 10:21:34 PM

The FX57 is the worst price vs. performance chip on the market right now. For the same price, you could get an E6600.
September 7, 2006 11:17:43 PM

Officially, 939 is now a dead socket, meaning all 939 chips are not being made anymore, and nothing beyond the 4800+/FX60 will come out.

Ask your local/large retailer and they will confirm this is AMD's 'Official' position.

Whats weirder is that 754 will continue into 2007, after 939 is officially long gone.

Though seeing the venice core ported to 754 makes me believe there is no reason why AMD couldn't keep adding to the 939 lineup. But its not technical, its econnomics. Just like the reason behind AGP cards costing more than they're worth these days.

If you don't plan to upgrade to C2D or AM3, maybe get the 4400 to finish that system off, but only if you want to keep the system going.

The smarter move is to save the money for a proper upgrade to a 'live' socket with future potential. There are so many unknowns right now (windows, dx10, new gpus, ddr3 ram, etc), so waiting is the best solution since the next big thing will always destroy all the current offerings.
September 8, 2006 12:13:53 AM

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Officially, 939 is now a dead socket, meaning all 939 chips are not being made anymore, and nothing beyond the 4800+/FX60 will come out.

Ask your local/large retailer and they will confirm this is AMD's 'Official' position.

Whats weirder is that 754 will continue into 2007, after 939 is officially long gone.

Though seeing the venice core ported to 754 makes me believe there is no reason why AMD couldn't keep adding to the 939 lineup. But its not technical, its econnomics. Just like the reason behind AGP cards costing more than they're worth these days.

If you don't plan to upgrade to C2D or AM3, maybe get the 4400 to finish that system off, but only if you want to keep the system going.

The smarter move is to save the money for a proper upgrade to a 'live' socket with future potential. There are so many unknowns right now (windows, dx10, new gpus, ddr3 ram, etc), so waiting is the best solution since the next big thing will always destroy all the current offerings.

Thats kind of what I was saying in my first post. Wait as the top X2's get cheap and you may get lucky with a new CPU.

For AMD making a new CPU for 939 if they get in a market pinch it could happen. Your AGP analogy proves it can happen as Nvidia, with the 6000 series, and ATI, with their X800 series, went back after sales on the PCIE leveled to make AGP versions. While true the price did rise on the AGP's for a while the price for AGP's were about the same as PCIE. The market for AGP 6000 and X800 series got filled and the price then rose. PCI has be dead for ages but we even got Nvidia 6200's for PCI. With that said I know its somewhat unlikly I agree but possible.
September 8, 2006 4:05:21 AM

:twisted: I have no budget for my cpu, then again I dont wish to have an fx-60 if it is overpriced nor an opty if its way overpriced as well. However, what would be your opinion on a kick ass cpu for the money and great OC headroom??
I've hear wonderfull things about the Opty 165, but I wish to have something with a mutliplier, if one is nedded to oc which I'm assuming not, but the Fx's have mulipliers, but on your opinion as well as the others who are realing this thread, what is a kickass cpu for gaming that is good for budget, OC and performance for a socket 939??
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September 8, 2006 4:08:27 AM

Get sum TITANIUM SERIES :twisted:

2-2-2-3
2-2-2-2
Insane timings if you ask me :D 

I have 2x1gb Corsair timings are 3-3-3-8 im pretty happy with what I have. Besides I got them for free :wink:
September 8, 2006 6:16:20 AM

I'm happy to help!
September 8, 2006 5:47:50 PM

Well if you have no budget or worries about money than the FX 57 or FX 60 are the best 939 gaming cpus. The FX 60 will have longer legs going forward because future games will make use of 'dual core' whereas ones right now run fine with just one.

The reason nobody should bother with the FX is its retarded 'price to performance'. All you really get with the FX is the unlocked multiplier, though nice, wouldn't even help your oc too much if your mother board had limited oc'ing options.

The problems is the 939 chips are made with a 90nm process, and so far it seems all chips hit a wall around 2.8-3GHz (depending on cooling / setup).

So, you could do well with an opteron 165 depending on your board/bits. It only has the 9x multiplier, but assuming you stuff it in a nice DFI board, it should get to the FX-60 speeds.

The opterons are 'supposedly' made from better silicon. Whether this is true or not I'm not sure, but I do know they support a higher speed than their rating to ensure 100% stability in a server environment.

The reason not to buy an opteron is the recent HUGE price drop didn't include the opterons, and the drop makes their magic overclocking status a little less magical.

The 50% drop in most X2 chips makes them the 'smart' buy.

So you should know that apart from this magic opteron silicon and the liberal rating, the X2 Toledo is the same thing as the Opteron/FX chips. The Manchester differs slightly because it has half the L2 cache (not the end of the world in gaming).

So, choosing between the X2 4400 or 4800 would probably be the best overall 939 chip for gaming now, and into the next year or so.

Though the 4200+ is probably the best 'bang for buck' right now. Plus it comes with a better stock cooler than the 3800+, though you'd still want to stuff a better cooler on it (SI-120, 9500, etc).

But for gaming, its all about x1999xtxgtx sli crossfire 3dfx vodooo bling bling video cards... But even their prices are starting to plummet from the heavens these days.

So long as you've got 2.4GHz +, and a 2GB of good ram (running a divider to keep it between 200-240), and a slick video card, every game will fly at max res/detais. Cept Oblivion, even bill gates can't run that game at max...
September 8, 2006 6:06:42 PM

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Get sum TITANIUM SERIES :twisted:

2-2-2-3
2-2-2-2
Insane timings if you ask me :D 


Insanly incorrect if you ask me.

all the current ocz stuff is rated 2-3-2-5. And TI ram is just extra stable for server stability, most gamers prefer platinum. Especially if you can score cheap rev 2 with samsung TCCD chips
September 8, 2006 8:11:12 PM

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Get sum TITANIUM SERIES :twisted:

2-2-2-3
2-2-2-2
Insane timings if you ask me :D 


Insanly incorrect if you ask me.

all the current ocz stuff is rated 2-3-2-5. And TI ram is just extra stable for server stability, most gamers prefer platinum. Especially if you can score cheap rev 2 with samsung TCCD chips


Wich one is the best for gaming ? Platinum series or the Gold series ?
September 8, 2006 9:12:31 PM

Platinum > Gold
September 8, 2006 9:25:02 PM

What CPU do you have right now? If it's a 3700/4000+, then it is a 600/400MHz overclock away from being an FX57. The only difference between the CPUs is teh FX's unlocked multiplier and extra clock speed.
September 8, 2006 10:06:57 PM

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What CPU do you have right now? If it's a 3700/4000+, then it is a 600/400MHz overclock away from being an FX57. The only difference between the CPUs is teh FX's unlocked multiplier and extra clock speed.


My last cpu was a sandiego 4000+ and I had it overclocked to 2900ghz rock stable. Thats 100mhz faster than an overpriced FX57 8)

Case in point. I haven't tried OCing my 3700+; after all the problems I've had (and all the money I've spent) with my computer, I'm happy to have everything working at stock speeds.
September 8, 2006 10:36:22 PM

Unfortunatly its never a simple answer as 'gold' or 'platinum', though to be simple, platinum is usually better

Ocz doesn't make ram ICs, they sell other peoples. So some ocz ram come with Samsung, others winbond, or even micron, etc. And it can even change for a specific line depending on supply (ie Samsung stops making model X, so OCZ then needs to get supply from brand Y).

Some people say gold OCs better, but again, the gold with model X might, and gold with model Y might not.... Plus memory dividers makes buying fast ram like buying FX, small % performance gain for large % expense, why bother. Even tight timings bring marginal improvements. I do prefer brand name ram for quality and warranty, but its usually better to put the big money into a video card if gaming is top priority.

One day, us, the consumer, will finally get the full picture. Places like Toms definitly help, but there is still a lot of guessing to do. For example, try and figure out which panel is in which LCD monitor, and what the 'real' specs are (8bit, 6bit, etc).

The article discussing Taiwian gave me an interesting idea. The ability to scan a product bar code and know everything about it. Exact model, hence true specs from manufacturer, employees who worked on it, at which plant, and that age old question: Was it made on friday afternoon?
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