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9800 PRO CRAMPED - NEED NEW CARD $200

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September 8, 2006 3:42:53 AM

Well, my ATI 9800 Pro is cramping out - after working hard for 3 years. The fan is making weird noises, and I believe it will die out pretty soon.

I want people's advice, on a new card, that will destroy the 9800 at any given angle - and I'm willing to pay $200-$250 CND for this card.

Give me some links, and tell me which card is the best. I could only support AGP cards.
September 8, 2006 4:52:02 AM

Dude your gonna pay a premium for a agp card $50.00 to $100.00 more for the same card premium over what the pci-express version would cost.
That said if you have amd 754/939/am2 mb for example I would buy a new mb and video card at the same time. Same price or maybe even cheaper and later you can take the video card to a newer system if desired.
If its a much older system and you cant get a pci-express mb for your cpu then your gonna have to pay the premium.

As far as price goes I have no idea how CND compares to US so I could be very off skew here on price :p 

My reccomendation is the Radeon X1800 GTO for pci-express
September 8, 2006 5:30:21 AM

If You Only have agp got\ with either the 7800GS or the X800GTO.
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September 8, 2006 6:08:56 AM

is the AGP ATI - x1600 better than the ones you've just mentioned?
September 8, 2006 6:25:02 AM

Nope the x800gto for example is about 50% faster then the x1600
the 7800gs is slightly faster then the x800gto.

Btw the 7800 GS is over your budget by about US $75.00 or so.
How does CND compare to US anyway ?

The x800gto or nvidia 7600gs are in your price range however I believe.

Sapphire ATI Radeon X800GTO2 256MB DVI/VGA/TV-out AGP Video Card
http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?p=AT-A8GTO2&c=pw

EVGA 7600 GS 256MB DDR2/AGP-8x/HDTV-Out/DVI-DL (Retail Box)
http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Sc...
September 8, 2006 6:38:11 AM

and this x800 GTO is available as AGP?
September 8, 2006 6:47:08 AM

that ones a little pricey, I was editing. See my previous post
September 8, 2006 7:07:14 AM

Ya, those are very nicely priced.

I'd probably go with the x800gto2 - it looks like a nice card.

CND / US prices is not a huge difference these days - $150 rounds up to about $170, plus taxes, and shipping, I'm looking at spending $200 CND or a little over - but thanks for those sites.

Is ewiz.com a reliable site?

Thanks.
September 8, 2006 7:13:36 AM

eWiz has an unfortunately high shipping rate - are there good American stores with reasonable shipping. They were going to charge me $50US for that x800gto2.
September 8, 2006 7:48:39 AM

those prices are nice for a x800 gto2 but there in amarican $ *.* the exchange rate is .907 for 1.00 amarican *.* the shipping will be through the roof and too top it off customs will hold it for a couple days and charge you tax for the item.

so the 160$ video card becomes 230 easy.


this is a shop from calgary alberta. It is very well known and had a good shipping rate.
7600 gs .... 154.95 cnd
http://www.memoryexpress.com/index.php?PageTag=&page=fi...

or an x1600pro 129.95

http://www.memoryexpress.com/index.php?PageTag=&page=fi...


the 7600 gs is the faster of the two cards http://xtreview.com/review140.htm



best of luck.
September 8, 2006 9:53:20 AM

What are your system specs? Processor/speed, memory etc. If you have a fairly modern AGP system you may get a nice performance boost from a new gfx card. If you have major bottlenecks in your computer a new gfx card won't help much :( 
September 8, 2006 5:51:47 PM

P4 2.8GHZ Hyperthreading
512MB Kingston HyperX PC3200 (I'll be getting another 1GB soon)
120GB IDE 7200 Maxtor HD (Getting an SATA 300GB soon)
Asus P4P800 Deluxe Mobo

Those are my main components
September 8, 2006 6:22:45 PM

Save your money and replace the fan. Build yourself a new system when you need it.
September 8, 2006 6:47:10 PM

Definately get more RAM.
I like the X800GTO as a card to give an old AGP system a last stand.

I have a Pentium 4 w/hyperthreading (Northwood C core) with 1GB of OCZ RAM and an AGP Saphire X800GTO unlocked to 16 pixel pipes. I usually play CS:S when I have time to play. I also occasionally play BF2. Both run decently with nice graphics. I can't use much AA or AF unless I scale down the resolution though.

If you are interested, your CPU should overclock nicely. Do you know if you have the Prescott (90nm) or the Northwood (130nm) core? My Northwood is running at 3.5GHz without any voltage increase.
September 8, 2006 6:52:34 PM

My buddy went from a 9600 pro to a 7600 GT. The results just weren't worth the price.

I still have a 9800 PRO. You can get a diesel card for CN$250 if you go PCIe. After seeing my freind's comp, I decided to wait as well.

Just save your cash and get a new mobo/ram/vid combo. You won't regret it. At least that way you have an upgrade path.

Seriously, don't get a new vid card you can't move to your new system when you finally upgrade (which will need to be soon the way things are going). You'll be kicking yourself when you get the new system.
September 8, 2006 6:53:48 PM

7600gt in agp FTW

Best bang/buck in agp.

look here for more info on what is best.
September 8, 2006 7:07:12 PM

My buddie's fill rate went to crap with the 7600 GT from the 9600 PRO (not even the 9800). Be weary.
September 8, 2006 7:13:13 PM

Your buddy did something wrong.
September 8, 2006 7:18:33 PM

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Your buddy did something wrong.


indeed. My old 9700pro is inferior to the 7600gt. the 9800 is more or less a beefed up 9700. the 9600 is inferior to all of them. My buddy just went from a 9600XT (not the lesser pro) to a 7600gs (not the better gt) and saw a nice improvement. The gt is even better.
September 8, 2006 7:21:33 PM

I respect that you think I should build a new system. But I'm not looking for that, I'm trying to make this system as best as possible. Then i'll be good for another year or two, then I'll buy a new system. I want to keep this one, merely as a server in the future.

So out of ATI or Nvidia - should I get the x800gto, x1600, or 7600 GS or GT?
September 8, 2006 7:40:19 PM

Quote:
Your buddy did something wrong.


indeed. My old 9700pro is inferior to the 7600gt. the 9800 is more or less a beefed up 9700. the 9600 is inferior to all of them. My buddy just went from a 9600XT (not the lesser pro) to a 7600gs (not the better gt) and saw a nice improvement. The gt is even better.

I totally agree. I'm glad someone finally mentioned the 7600GT. If you can find one in your price range CAD, best bang for the AGP buck.
September 8, 2006 7:47:45 PM

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I'm not really sure how the GTO compares, but I have an x800XL AGP card which performs about 2X 9800pro. You can pick those cards up pretty cheap on eBay.

For example:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ATI-AIW-X800XL-256MB-AGP_W0QQitemZ110030605011QQihZ001QQcategoryZ40158QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Its an All-in wonder.

I'm sure you could find some deals on x800GTO's as well.


7600gt (remember, not gs) still wins over the 800gto. I think the 800gto is about on par w/ the 7600gs, better on some points but not as good as the 7600gt. plus no sm 3.0 on the 800gto.
September 8, 2006 8:06:09 PM

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I respect that you think I should build a new system. But I'm not looking for that, I'm trying to make this system as best as possible. Then i'll be good for another year or two, then I'll buy a new system. I want to keep this one, merely as a server in the future.

So out of ATI or Nvidia - should I get the x800gto, x1600, or 7600 GS or GT?

On the contrary, I don't believe you need to build a new system. I just don't think you need to spend the money if all that's wrong is the fan crapping out on the GPU. If your system works well for you then I would spend as little money as possible, i.e. just a new GPU cooler.

However, if your heart is set on getting a new graphics card then the new 7600GT for AGP is the best card for the money. Unfortunately it will be a little hard to find in Canada and it will be expensive. The 7800GS is a great card, but I suspect you won't find one for an acceptable price, unless it's used. If you can find an X800GTO in your price range, then go for it. If not, then the 7600GS is your best option. You may even get lucky and find a GDDR3 7600GS which will most likely overclock to 7600GT reference speeds. I doubt it though as I believe the 7600GS GDDR3 cards are available in PCI-E only.
September 8, 2006 8:10:09 PM

Either of those cards will work. I'd get the X850Pro just cause it's cheapest.

Don't waste time and money on cards with 512MB of memory these days. Find 256MB equivalent and save your money. 512MB graphics cards are still more of a marketing gimmick than anything else.
September 8, 2006 8:32:11 PM

Go with an X800 XT All In Wonder card. They're hands down the best card you can get for under 200 dollars (I picked one up for 170 at a local Comp USA just recently). Also, Newegg was running a deal on an open box 7800GS for $205 recently. That would also be worth it.
September 8, 2006 8:47:10 PM

He's in Canada. Home of the insanely high graphics card prices.
September 8, 2006 8:48:32 PM

Why don't you get a new cooler (less than $30 dollars) for the 9800 pro before it smokes? The 9800 pro should be fine. Then you can buy yourself the time to make a good decision and find your best deal.
September 8, 2006 8:57:51 PM

Could you not find a 7600GT in your price range? It'd be better than any of those listed.
September 8, 2006 9:00:34 PM

Quote:
Go with an X800 XT All In Wonder card. They're hands down the best card you can get for under 200 dollars (I picked one up for 170 at a local Comp USA just recently). Also, Newegg was running a deal on an open box 7800GS for $205 recently. That would also be worth it.


He's in Canada eh. Unfortunately Newegg doesn't ship there. :( 
September 8, 2006 9:09:46 PM

that site ewiz ships to canada afaik... the link I put earlier has the 7600gt in agp under 200... not bad IMO

don't know much about them but looking on pricegrabber and other sites did not show them to be bad...
September 8, 2006 9:26:46 PM

Wait for THIS to come back in stock.

EDIT: I forgot; newegg doesn't ship to Canada. In that case, get the one that Sojrner mentioned.
September 8, 2006 9:31:24 PM

Quote:
that site ewiz ships to canada afaik... the link I put earlier has the 7600gt in agp under 200... not bad IMO

don't know much about them but looking on pricegrabber and other sites did not show them to be bad...


Sorry I didn't notice that earlier. Good find.
September 9, 2006 2:20:50 AM

I'd go with eWiz, unfortunately they have an insane shipping rate - the basic being $55.

The 7600GT is $180US, plus $50US for shipping, plus taxes - I'm looking at paying close to $300 CND for the card. And I could buy a 7800GT for $330 CND.
September 9, 2006 3:58:15 AM

therein is the problem w/ agp... you pay a premium now to stay w/ it. For the same performance level card the agp is more $. That is why anoobis was suggesting to get a new mobo along w/ that video card so that you could use pci-e and be able to get more for less.

tough choice I know... but that is what you really have to choose from. Even the price of that 7600gs in agp is more than what the same level would cost on pci-e. A new mobo would make that up sure, but then you are able to upgrade yet again for much less down the road.

ultimately it is your choice though man. What is the performance worth to you? ;) 
September 9, 2006 4:06:48 AM

Actually I suggested the new mb and a pci-express card.
September 9, 2006 4:11:08 AM

True enough, a new mobo and PCIe video card would be extremely nice. Unfortunately, if I did get a new mobo, i'd probably need to get a new processor, which I'm not willing to pay for. My processor is decent enough.

Performance is not a huge deal for me, as I mainly only play single player games these days. If you play online, that's a different story.

I just want one of the top AGP cards that is out there, for a decent price. So I don't have to worry about my 9800 cramping out on me, especially as school just started.

I've decided to go with the ATI x850 Pro, from NCIX. It's priced at $190, which is very nice. NCIX is also based in Alberta, which makes it much better for me, since I'm in Ontario. For money issues.

Thanks for all your help.
September 9, 2006 8:20:32 PM

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That is why anoobis was suggesting to get a new mobo along w/ that video card so that you could use pci-e and be able to get more for less.

How dare you put words in my mouth!!! :D 
September 9, 2006 9:24:50 PM

Actually you can get a new mobo that fits your old processor AND PCIe. They're not that expensive. They even support DDR. Are you running INTEL or AMD?
September 11, 2006 2:20:57 AM

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That is why anoobis was suggesting to get a new mobo along w/ that video card so that you could use pci-e and be able to get more for less.

How dare you put words in my mouth!!! :D 

lol, aparently my memory is not so good. ;) 
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