PD805 System for minimum cost

[notquitehere188]

Would i be able to build a PD805 system for cheap and still overclock it
i was hoping that
$60 ASUS board with AGP and DDR1
2GB of samsung PC3200 ram
Case with 400W PS
PD805
my AGP graphics card

would i be able to overclock to 3.2 - 3.5 with cooling

if i could get an 805 with 9500 cooler or a 915 with stock which should i go for?

i know this is a bad idea in its current form, but how could i make it acceptable

 

[shadowduck]

Would i be able to build a PD805 system for cheap and still overclock it
i was hoping that
$60 ASUS board with AGP and DDR1
2GB of samsung PC3200 ram
Case with 400W PS
PD805
my AGP graphics card

would i be able to overclock to 3.2 - 3.5 with cooling

if i could get an 805 with 9500 cooler or a 915 with stock which should i go for?

i know this is a bad idea in its current form, but how could i make it acceptable

Use a Core2 Duo E6300 instead. Forget the 805, it was a bad idea back when it came out, and its really really bad idea now.

 

[notquitehere188]

but i dont want to spend that much, i dont need that much performance either

 

[The_Prophecy]

but i dont want to spend that much, i dont need that much performance either

Then get a Pentium D 930.

Edit: Actually, Since you're planning massive overclocking, you'll end up spending the same amount on a Core 2 system because you don't have to buy high end cooling setups for the Core 2.

 

[Mondoman]

For some people, minimum cost means $90. For other, it means $500. For yet others, it means $1200. What does it mean for you?
Also, what kind of apps will you be using? This along with your total budget will affect how much goes toward graphics card, toward RAM, etc. Do you have any parts (e.g. optical drives) from a previous computer that you can reuse and/or sell for the new one?
O/Cing to 3.2-3.5GHz on air should be pretty easy. Most people seem to be able to get at least 3.6GHz stable on air.

 

[notquitehere188]

i guess i meant minimal cost, minimum would be around $350, since i have optical, and hard drives already, as well as an agp graphics card(not from sig) and i would want to spend about $120 on cpu (PD805) $80 on mobo and $150 ish on ram and case.

also, would the ram that comes up on ebay in a search for DDR400, the 2GB samsung ram, be ok for a cheap system? cus it is really cheap

 

[Robovski]

The E6300 C2D chip isn't much more than the $120.00 you want to spend and you'll get a much longer lived processor that runs much cooler and be overclocked through the roof.

I think the Gigabyte make a board inside your budget that would suit the E6300, and that leaves the memory and case. Well, $150.00 won't buy much in the way of performance memory, and if you want to overclock, Value and generic memory isn't really the way to go. I wouldn't normally recommend this, but maybe a matched pair of quality 512MB DDR2 sticks is the way to go since you want to OC, as the 512MB sticks are considerably cheaper.

More experienced minds will certainly advise the best route to go that way. If you don't want to overclock, then get the 2 1GB sticks. Samsung supply those retail cases (like Dell) and those may have come from or were meant to upgrade a system like that. I have no idea how well they would respond in an OC situation, but thay should act to spec normally. Keep in mind that if you do go C2D that the FSB is 800 not 400 or 533 like with the previous Core2 chips, and so you could see a real performance boost just in getting suitable ram for the FSB.

 

[shadowduck]

Keep in mind that if you do go C2D that the FSB is 800 not 400 or 533 like with the previous Core2 chips, and so you could see a real performance boost just in getting suitable ram for the FSB.

Actually the FSB on Core2 Duo is 1066.

 

[notquitehere188]

unfortunatly, it is canadian dollars, eh? so the 120 is the lowest price i can find for the 805, and the e6300 is over 200

and for the mobo, i would be getting somewhere above the bare minimum, i would like to get the via with pci express and agp, but i doubt via is very good, and it is also an asrock board, so i was looking at a intel 865 chipset on an asus board with just agp and ddr1, which is $80

the ram i was hoping i might be able to slow down, perhaps meeting the 805 at a middleground of 166, so that the ram would let me overclock and i could the the $180 2GB set, since it is $60 more to get corsair value select

i figure this system, with the agp card i pre-emptivley bought to upgrade my current one, will meet the minimum settings of UT2004 and medevil 2 total war, so i can at least play them. Then in a just over a year, i can dump a lot of money into a laptop which can play them at higher settings

so i dont need a speed demon, but i would like to be able to do the same things at lower settings, sorta like the russians

 

[Robovski]

Keep in mind that if you do go C2D that the FSB is 800 not 400 or 533 like with the previous Core2 chips, and so you could see a real performance boost just in getting suitable ram for the FSB.

Actually the FSB on Core2 Duo is 1066.

My bad, you are very much right.

 

[Robovski]

Ah, Canuk geese money.

Well, you have thought it out and you seem to know what you want. I'm going to lay off on the whole C2D thing then.

The 805 is better than the P4 650 I have in my current system, so what can I say? Get a decent cooler for that processor, especially if you want to OC. My understanding is that it will OC pretty well on air cooling.
2GB of memory will make you Vista ready (at least on that front) and if it works with the mobo, go for it. DDR1 and AGP are moving to the end of their path, so that are nice and mature but declining in use. You aren't planning on using those components going forward so that's no big deal.

So I have no problems with what you have planned. Sadly, I cannot recommend a mobo for you as I've been focused like a torch on my planned C2D build on the mobo front.

 

[Mondoman]

Just stay away from Corsair's Value Select -- it's the worst of the "value" brands.

 

[PeterBateman]

get the 915, there is no good reason for the d805, even with stock cooling the d915 is a much better cpu. E6300 is just a bad idea unless you can get a good overclocking motherboard, and dont think you'll find one your your budget with your requirements.

 

[joefriday]

Another board you might want to check out is Asrock's 775i65G, which is pretty much the ASUS board you're currently looking at, just in ASUS's value brand version (hence Asrock), meaning usually less options. The Asrock 775I65G does not allow for Vcore adjustment, but if you're only going to push it to 3.33 GHz, you won't need vcore adjustment anyway. See if you can find the 775i65g for sale in Canadia.

 

[angry_ducky]

Keep in mind that if you do go C2D that the FSB is 800 not 400 or 533 like with the previous Core2 chips, and so you could see a real performance boost just in getting suitable ram for the FSB.

Actually the FSB on Core2 Duo is 1066.

Pentium D: 533, 800, 1066MHz bus. The 533 is only on the 805, the 1066 is only on the EE CPUs.

Core Duo: 533, 667MHz bus. The 533 is only on the U2500 (ultra low voltage).

Core 2 Duo: 667, 1066MHz bus. The mobile chips (T series) have the 667MHz bus, whereas the desktop chips (E series) have the 1066MHz bus. The X6800 also has a 1066MHz bus.

 

[Slobogob]

Buy a Cedar Mill based Celeron and bring the FSB up to 200. Should be fast enough. Otherwise buy a console.

 

[notquitehere188]

well the 915 is approx the price of a 805 with a zalman 9500, will it get with stock the same as the 805 with the zalman? also, at that price i would go with the x2 3800+

a few other questions, what is AGI (on asrock), is agp express any good, and will the ecs board with it support the pd805?

also (unrelatedly) how is the x800 XL vs X800 gto and X850 XT

EDIT

Buy a Cedar Mill based Celeron and bring the FSB up to 200. Should be fast enough. Otherwise buy a console.

refer to my sig for my opinion of that plan

 

[joefriday]

AGP express is terrible. It is a Frankenslot that allows you to use your AGP card on the PCI bus. Try a google search on it. The Asrock 775I65G uses the 865G and has a true AGP 8x slot. You'll usually find the AGP espress on boards using the 865GV chipset, as the 865GV was ment to be an IGP-only solution, so it has no AGP link for an AGP slot, while the 865G has the true 8x AGP slot just like the 865PE. The only difference between the 865PE and the 865G was that the 865G had Intel's Extreme Graphics 2 IGP along with the AGP slot, while the 865PE did not have onboard graphics.

 

[joefriday]

refer to my sig for my opinion of that plan

Reguardless of your opinion of the Celeron, at 200 MHz fsb (ie 5.0 GHz), It outperforms a 3 GHz Opteron, and runs cool doing it.

http://www.pcpop.com/doc/0/137/137950_2.shtml

 

[Mondoman]

well the 915 is approx the price of a 805 with a zalman 9500, will it get with stock the same as the 805 with the zalman? ...

The 9500 is not a good cooler for Intel LGA775, since it doesn't meet the Intel thermal spec. You need a "flower" style like the 7700 or Golden/Blue Orb II.

 

[The_Prophecy]

The 9500 is not a good cooler for Intel LGA775, since it doesn't meet the Intel thermal spec. You need a "flower" style like the 7700 or Golden/Blue Orb II.

Dropped the load temp on my P4 630 by 15C, and the idle temp by 5C....... not a good cooler huh?