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I have read that LCD's are not so great for gaming because of the delay. Has anyone seen or heard this before?

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Um yeah- that's where response time factors in. It's how long teh pixels take ot respond from white to black and black to white. What u typically want so ghosting as it's called is at a minumum is 25ms response time.

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If LCD has 25ms R.T would gaming be a problem on that ?

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Reply to Rob423

when i play a movie or playa game i dont notice it. but in not a hardcore gamer either. go to your local monitor store and ask them to play a fast dvd on the monitor, and if its it does not ghost, then its fine

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It really depends one u. some notice, others don't. typically, 25ms is fine.

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I recommend visiting a CompUSA or Circit City and see if you can find a PC running a movie. I saw MIB on a new Sony flat screen and the delay is unmistakable.

If you're looking for a LCD for any kind of video (games or watch DVD's or TV) I recommend waiting a few months. Mitsubishi announced in January a breakthrough that dramically improves image delay.

It works by forcing the response time of the actual crystals with high or lower voltage differentals, then tappering the voltage difference off once the liquid crystal gets closer to the desired brightness. The article I read (I think it was in extremetech.com) said this LCD technology would start hitting the market around Q3 - and making a splash in Q4.

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Yeah, you're talking about FFD (Feed Forward Driving). Am waiting for it too. Here's the link you probably read stew: http://www.extremetech.com/article [...] 016,00.asp


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<A HREF="http://www.extremetech.com/article/0,3396,s=1021&a=15016,00.asp" target="_new">clickable</A>

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What are you talking about Oni??

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Haha, nevermind. I didn't realize that was your sig.

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Have you heard of any other write-ups on FFD other than the extremetech article...?

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I think Flame found one. Bascially it says the same thing though as that's the only info that has been released about it. However, you should start seeing LCD's with this technology pretty soon, like after 2 or 3 months probably from what I have been hearing.

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2-3 months? Where have u gathered this info? I have tried to contact Mitsubishi but to no avail. Any information u have I'd greatly appreciate. Imagine......20ms response time LCD that uses FFD....

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Hehe, 20ms? Once FFD is implented, try like 10-15ms. I didn't hear or read this anywhere, but am assuming. For one, Viewsonic is announcing new LCD's that will be released very soon, one they say that has a response time of 11ms.

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oooooh, now that's sexy.

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Reply to Flamethrower205

FFD doesn't change the times for rise/ fall, but it drastically reduces response times for the grey shifts. Man, if that 11ms LCD has FFD and is 17" or more w/ good viewing angle and all, it's mine. Where'd u get that info?

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Actually I got it from Tomshardware, but it's off the French site. I'll get the actual link when I have time. I think this info was posted somewhere else in the forum too...

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Were you talking about the VG700 they showed at CeBit 2002? It has 16ms response time.

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Reply to Flamethrower205

No, there is another LCD in there, a 20" one, that has a response time of 11ms.

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Yeah, hehe, noticed after I posted. If it doesn't cost more than $1500 it'll be mine:)

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any clue when the VG700 will be released ?

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Reply to Rob423

It should be soon, I mean if they already have them built and all, I hope within a month.

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Reply to Flamethrower205

I doubt it would be that soon. I'm thinking more like two or three months. But then again, you never know. I dunno if these LCDs are using FFD though. If they are not, just think what they could do with FFD.

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I doubt they'd be using FFD, but u never know....Viewsonic does tend to use technology before everyone else. We'll see.

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Reply to Flamethrower205

Well if not I wonder what they are using to lower the response time so much. And with FFD we would get response times in the single digits according to Viewsonic's current specs if without it right now, like around 5-10ms. That would be insane....

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Well I still think response time would be black to white, white to black, meaning the response times would stay the same if u had 2 identical lcd's, except one using FFD. But if lcd's were to have single digit response times and ffd, u can bet they would replace even gamer's monitors very fast at the right price, and of course design:)*drooling, thinking of S81 design/ N50*

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Well, that 20" LCD from Viewsonic sounds great right now. Even if it doesn't have FFD, I think I'll get it anyway if the price isn't too high. Of course, most 20" LCDs around somewhere in the 2000-2500 dollar range and higher.

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Rise/ fall times will still be in the 30's (that is liek 30 ms rise) for grey- grey...

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Hehe, well you know I'll probably wait for FFD. Why didn't they put this on the American site though and only the French one...and what's with the sig of the week, give me a break. Ok, enough off topic chat from me, hehe.

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