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September 16, 2011 7:17:34 PM

So my thoughts after installing Windows 8 on a Desktop PC with a Phenom X4 2GB ram and Nvdia 7025/630a graphics.
First off the new UI Metro is awful on a PC with a mouse/keyboard. Its not intuitive at all and really requires a touch screen or a tablet/smartphone. So I wonder if Microsoft will try to give a boost to the PC industry by nudging users to buy Touchscreen PC's? Or will they have a better default for traditional users?
I was able to finally navigate away from the Metro screen to a more traditional desktop theme. But alas its not a whole lot better so far. Knowing this is a developer version. I was not expecting RC quality and I was not disappointed. I was able to use Internet Explorer 10 with Flash downloaded from Adobe. But adding other programs is still a mystery so far. I went to Google and could not download Chrome as I have before. I was also amazed at how poorly the Windows UI improvements were. The scroll bar shrunk in Apple's Lion and seems to have become wider in IE 10?? The other issue is when using the Metro UI with IE your at Full screen all the time! I mean Full screen, no task bar no nothing. Just Web page. As I said before it was not easy figuring out how to navigate with Metro. After a day trying out Windows 8 I would say Tablets will be happy with what Microsoft has done. The rest who like the traditional user interface of Windows will be sadly disappointed. Oh its still there when you dig for it.
But the having to dig for it that's the problem. Unless Microsoft can give users a better set of options for Metro. I think Windows 8 will be a dud on the PC.

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September 16, 2011 8:53:57 PM

From all I can tell running win8 is it is more geared toward tablets or touch screen. It is just win7 with a few tweaks. I don't see any point to an upgrade later when it is released.
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September 16, 2011 9:13:09 PM

Metro is horrendous on a desktop without a touch interface. It looks like Microsoft collaborated with Fisher Price to develop the new UI.
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September 16, 2011 9:24:29 PM

To me that sounds like a fully finished release from Microsucks.

Dollar Bill's moto is: "Ship it - we'll try to fix it later".
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September 16, 2011 9:30:36 PM

Not to mention the XBox Live integration seems like a disaster. Microsoft is trying to take on Steam and that is not going to end well for them.

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September 16, 2011 9:40:12 PM

Well I Do Like The Fact That Its Seems To Run As Fast On 512MB Of RAM As Windows7 Does On 1GB, That Ive Tested To Show That It Uses Multicore Slightly Better And Finnaly It Seems To Use Individual Cores Better As Well (About 1% Or So Less Idle Utilization), And Finally I Like The Desktops New Look And Even The Start Button And Windows Control Looks.

HOWEVER I HATE METRO!!, Please At-Least Give The End User The Option To Use The Standard Desktop.
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September 16, 2011 9:51:30 PM

just having to sift through the metro is a pain, As far as i could tell there was no "disable metro" option in the control panel.

Also the location thing didn't work at all, it said I was in anaheim, So I assume they just locked in the location of the developer conference because the location thing wasn't done lol.
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September 16, 2011 10:40:48 PM

I don't see a lot of point in desktop users complaining about the Metro interface since the "classic" interface will be there for them.

Now if tablet and portable device users say it sucks then I'd agree that MS has a problem.
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September 17, 2011 1:52:01 AM

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I went to Google and could not download Chrome as I have before. I was also amazed at how poorly the Windows UI improvements were. The scroll bar shrunk in Apple's Lion and seems to have become wider in IE 10?? The other issue is when using the Metro UI with IE your at Full screen all the time! I mean Full screen, no task bar no nothing.
I'm not sure why you're having problems that I'm not. Chrome, Firefox, iTunes, Yahoo Messenger, Live Mail are all installed and running nicely.

As for IE - if you start it in the Metro UI it's the touch optimized version.
Start IE in the Desktop and it's the standard IE configuration.

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Customizing the Metro UI wasn't that hard to figure out but I would like some more flexibility on how to set it up. I expect that will come as more apps migrate to support Metro.
I can see why it might be a good idea to have a standard UI across a users PC, Notebook, Tablet and Phone. So far I can't see any major downside or limitations on the way I get work done.


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September 25, 2011 3:51:42 PM

If you want to change your location in the Weather app, click on the app, right click once you are in the app. A task bar will show up at the bottom of your screen where you can remove a city and add a city.
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September 28, 2011 5:06:29 AM

It seems that the applications are really just big square icon shortcuts placed on the desktop.
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September 28, 2011 4:51:30 PM

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It seems that the applications are really just big square icon shortcuts placed on the desktop.


I relate it more to a start menu, but it's all spaced out into the tiles instead of in a condensed list mode.

The big thing is that the metro is longer than the screen, so you slide it back and forth.
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a b * Windows 8
September 30, 2011 6:57:42 AM

I kinda liked the speed at which it works. They certainly have come up with a really fancy UI, that really sucks without a touch screen but attaching a kinetic would really make a world of a difference, plus if you have one of those fancy pads with the pen used for electronic scribbling that could be modded into a full touchpad.
Although the basic UI is cluttered with a lot of junk that we may not all be using, it's something that they seem to have built for the Tablets.
On a overall note, I like the new look, just need to change the widgets to more of my own, like I did put Toms RSS on it. So if we get down to modifying the whole thing to our own liking , I really think this is a big step from the conventional OS.
I still have to try it on my eyefinity setup to see if I need to slide the whole UI to get to see all the tabs but if it doesn't need to slide and I can see it all, then this is going to be one hell of a touch OS.
What I really enjoyed was the speed, it took me 5 minutes to Install onto a SSD from a DVD and took me 7 minutes to install from a Pen drive to a standard HDD.
Now that is really very fast deployment even faster than a Ghost Image.
The second plus is it's a hell of a lot more faster than than the normal OS, getting started, opening a tab, new program, shuffling through windows, opening apps, browsers and all the other stuff just happens so damn fast.
Now, I think we need to just finetune it to our own needs and likes.



Of course I am still having a tough time finding my way about to the programs and of course Dual booting seems to be an issue.
Every time I click on the Start Menu Button it takes me to the damn widget screen :)  and when booting into Vista X64 it just doesn't show that option.

Hmmmmm To get to paint, you need to goto search apps--- apps---- under "P" you'll find MSPaint.... :) 
Interesting....... a little roundabout..... but still interesting. And then you can pin it to the taskbar.

This would make the whole taskbar pretty cluttered I think.

Plugging in peripherals seems to be causing me some heartburn.
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September 30, 2011 12:43:19 PM

There is now a new window 8 froum so we can all migrate there for thsi discussion. I am still downloading window 8. I will join the discussion after I install it.
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a b * Windows 8
September 30, 2011 12:48:23 PM

This topic has been moved from the section Windows 7 to section Windows 8 by Area51reopened
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a b * Windows 8
September 30, 2011 12:51:04 PM

Yup, I guess so, just when I just pasted the earlier stuff on a new thread ,but, good it was moved fully. Could delete the new thread and not have a double post. :) 
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a b * Windows 8
September 30, 2011 1:12:16 PM

Gosh!! ALT+F4 Doesn't work on it.
There are no close program "X" for any of the Apps. and they keep filling up the RAM.
I have had to End Task from the Task Manager for nearly all the Apps once I started them that's something that needs to be looked into I think.

I loved the connecting to another display / projector and stuff like that.....kinda for the people who can't read english, but, it's better and easier for people new to the concept.
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September 30, 2011 5:15:45 PM

can any one post a link to download windows 8 x64 version.I am curios to experiment on it.
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September 30, 2011 8:34:48 PM

I can say after playing around with it for an hour or so, I am less than impressed. Not a fan of the Metro UI, and as an owner of a Touchsmart PC, I would not want to put this on my machine. I don't like how user un-friendly everything seems, hopefully this will change in later versions. I am aware that it's only a Dev. preview and many things I saw will be different when it comes to the end product. I don't like that there is no way to close out of programs, they just keep running in the background until they are stopped through task manager. I really think this is a step backwards rather than forwards. It will be easy for a 5 year old to navigate through, but for us grown-ups, I think it's a bit childish in nature. Click the box, see what happens. I think this one may go the way of Vista, as being one OS version that will be skipped by many users using 7 now. 7 is by far the most easiest and user friendly OS in my opinion. Not everyone is going to run out and get a tablet or a touch screen computer for an OS, especially one like this.
While I don't personally like it myself, it might just be for other users who will love the new interface. People who have to have the newest of everything and the like. While I don't like it now, that may change as things within the OS change. But I don't think so. I have to say I'm hoping for the best, but expecting the worst.
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October 1, 2011 2:30:55 AM

Hi, run into a problem. There is a giant grey box on my desktop showing my time and wireless network. I don't think I click on anything there to bring it up (or at least I may have accidentally done something, but I was really careful on what I click). I tried to click on blanks on the taskbar, the desktop but it wouldn't go away. Anyone had that problem? Ideas on what is going on? It is not a gadget, I haven't select any.

Edit: restart and it goes away.
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October 2, 2011 6:03:24 AM

Since I am installing mine in a VM, I cannot test hardware driver compatibility. Does window 7 driver works alright on window 8? May be put in a few gpu in the mix?
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a b * Windows 8
October 2, 2011 6:13:55 AM

I have not had to load a single driver till now. It just takes everything automatically.
Not on a VM though, but on a standard rig, I have had no problems, and I have installed it on 5 absolutely different rigs.
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October 2, 2011 7:29:39 AM

Not even for gpu?
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a b * Windows 8
October 2, 2011 7:50:31 AM

Nope, not even the GPU, the Nvidia were taken automatically from the net before I even got to see the desktop. Same case for the ATI and the Intel IGP too.
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October 2, 2011 11:04:49 PM

Are they the actual Nvidia drivers though? Win 7 automatically downloads a driver too, but the graphics score jumps by almost a point when you download the real driver from the Nvidia site.
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a b * Windows 8
October 3, 2011 2:53:38 AM

Well, they are certified with Nvidia Certificates. And the core elements are from the company itself.
Win7 will not necessarily download the latest drivers for the new hardware. It will download the most basic and the most stable drivers for the hardware.
It is when you start downloading the Software for the Cards, that you get the whole new bundle of core elements from the company.
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October 3, 2011 2:57:51 AM

Has anyone got a legit BSOD so far? Mine doesn't count because I trigger it on purpose.
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a b * Windows 8
October 3, 2011 3:02:54 AM

On Win8? I haven't had one since Vista 32Bit......
Of course not unless I mess around with plugging in and out hardware and peripherals in the craziest of way.
No I really don't think a lot of us have seen the BSODs around for sometime now.
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October 3, 2011 3:05:45 AM

My last real BSOD was by using an old driver not supported by window 7 installed through compatibility mode. It went away after the device maker made an update on the driver.
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a b * Windows 8
October 3, 2011 3:26:20 AM

The max with that driver changing business for me was with Vista 64 and the Intel SSD. The SSD would never show up as a valid option in the Intel SSD toolbox, and I'm pretty sure if I was to use it for Win8 I'm going to run into the same problem again setting it to AHCI made it unavailable to optimize, changing the driver to standard Sata made it available. So then the first time after a reboot the BSOD did appear and then went away.
But Win8 seems to load real fast even from a 7200rpm disc I don't see why I'd waste SSD space on a OS that faster than anything else I have seen.
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October 3, 2011 4:16:49 AM

I received window update on window 8.

@alyoshka

good job on the window 8 review on front page for "Continuing in the Thought's on Win 8 section....". That will make more people to try window 8 and join the forum here.
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a b * Windows 8
October 3, 2011 10:09:05 AM

Yup, this is the Update screen for Win 8 64 Bit Developer Edition.



Now, I'll be checking if they let the clutter stay on the HDD or do they remove it.

Ok. On another note I tried that other Crap that was posted on TPU,

http://www.techpowerup.com/152641/Metro-UI-Tweaker-Make...

Omnimo or something like that :(  and it sucks big time. Although the screens looked great, but the configuring and settings got my goat.
People who wish that they continued to use Win 7 should stick to it instead of messing with Win 8 , I think.
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October 3, 2011 10:55:36 AM

Just saw the preview on Windows 8 here on Tom's and decided to test it.

5 minutes and I've already got the new interface down. I don't know what everyone is griping about! You can either have the old desktop version through the desktop tile or use the new Metro UI. I've found that I like the new UI features; tiles display more information from what you're going into, like the weather app just displaying the temps without even opening it.

Moving through menus is a breeze! All you have to do is click on the start button, go into the UI interface, and click on the other tile. You can also customize the new tiles, so you only have the relevant ones in there. It's the desktop with tiles instead of icons.

Task manager displays a ton more information, and as of now seems to be the only way to close Metro apps, that needs to be fixed.

Searching for files directly is a few more clicks, but you can still easily get to computer and search the drives directly for files. Just clicking on Search/Apps gets to most of the "apps" installed such as computer, control panel, and run.

The mouse works better than touch with both left click and right click. Left click will interact with the programs, and right click brings up the options for the program.

Everything runs perfectly out of the box, I have actually downloaded steam and will try a game shortly to test it's out of the box playability.

I had to use the 32-bit version of the preview due to space limitations on my usb drives(4GB was just barely too little for 64-bit).


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a b * Windows 8
October 3, 2011 10:58:56 AM

Don't you think the Taskmanager got a little too big and fancy?
I don't know if anyone has a similar problem, but, my processor fan seems to be running at 100% all the time. I am downloading AOD and will see if it I can set up the fans to work with the OS.
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October 3, 2011 11:02:54 AM

alyoshka said:
Don't you think the Taskmanager got a little too big and fancy?

No, I think it should display as much useful info as possible. I like the amount of info it displays on Win 8.
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October 3, 2011 11:04:13 AM

No, the task manager I can get used to just fine. I have the new Metro feature turned off with regedit and it looks and function 99.9% like window 7.
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October 3, 2011 11:05:27 AM

It seems Win 8 closes the Metro programs after a certain time. Task manager showed them open as applications and after awhile of just being on the desktop, they stopped. They could possibly automatically close after a set time.
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a b * Windows 8
October 3, 2011 11:05:55 AM

I like the Amount of info too, but, they just made it too big, and the smaller version of the TM just displays too little. It's occupies nearly half the display.
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October 3, 2011 11:06:30 AM

Is the rumor really true that Windows 8 supports Xbox 360 games?
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October 3, 2011 11:08:07 AM

Chirag Borawake said:
Is the rumor really true that Windows 8 supports Xbox 360 games?

That would be impossible. The Xbox 360 disks have a special layer on them that only the disk drive in the 360 can read, and the cpu architecture in the Xbox 360 is totally different than a PC.
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October 3, 2011 11:11:01 AM

alyoshka said:
I like the Amount of info too, but, they just made it too big, and the smaller version of the TM just displays too little. It's occupies nearly half the display.

It does occupy about a 1/4th of a 1080p screen, but it's not like I'm going to have it open all the time. I just use it for killing programs or seeing cpu/memory usage on the comp.
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October 3, 2011 11:11:19 AM

What do you mean by " Is the Rumor true?"
If it was true, it wouldn't be a rumor......
They will add support for Xbox games no doubt about it, since they are planning on Virtual Disk Mounting within the Framework of Win 8. But to Play the Games you will need a Virtual Console, that might lead to seeing a Drop in Xbox sales, so, it all depends.... on the final release.
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October 3, 2011 11:17:46 AM

Maybe MS is forcing us to use bigger display? LOL! Let see if reduce text size can do the trick.

Edit: can't do that. I am reverting back to classic view with regedit.
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October 3, 2011 11:33:08 AM

alyoshka said:
What do you mean by " Is the Rumor true?"
If it was true, it wouldn't be a rumor......
They will add support for Xbox games no doubt about it, since they are planning on Virtual Disk Mounting within the Framework of Win 8. But to Play the Games you will need a Virtual Console, that might lead to seeing a Drop in Xbox sales, so, it all depends.... on the final release.

The only problem is I don't think a processor is fast enough to emulate the xbox games.
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a b * Windows 8
October 3, 2011 11:51:22 AM

Really? What makes a Tri Core Xenon more powerful than i7 980X? or a X6 1090T?
My guess is nothing other than an Optimized Code.

Other than the Architecture and Instruction Set.
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October 3, 2011 12:03:04 PM

alyoshka said:
Really? What makes a Tri Core Xenon more powerful than i7 980X? or a X6 1090T?
My guess is nothing other than an Optimized Code.


Then is it possible to run Xbox 360 games on a Xenon processor tri core? I mean if they release an emulator of course..!??
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October 3, 2011 12:22:07 PM

alyoshka said:
Really? What makes a Tri Core Xenon more powerful than i7 980X? or a X6 1090T?
My guess is nothing other than an Optimized Code.

Other than the Architecture and Instruction Set.

Emulation takes a TON of overhead. I've seen emulation take about 10x the overhead of natively coded games, like PS2 emulators or Wii emulators taking up a huge percentage of a cpu many times more powerful.

Also the amount of cores doesn't matter. If it is coded for a certain amount of threads, the game will not use more.

If they make the game natively for the x86 arch and the Power cpu in the Xbox 360, then the cpu could run the game, but the gpu would still become a problem.

Xbox 360 games are made specifically for the gpu in the xbox 360 with low level code. Change the arch of the gpu and it won't even work. The only reason PC games can run on so many configurations is that they run through the API-Direct X 9, 10, 11, etc., which all PC GPU's are compatible with.
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