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What I am upset about is the lack of a Motherboard with the compatability to add an existing waterblock to the Northbridge. None of the P5B's or P5W's will support current waterblocks...
The P5B Deluxe WiFi (965), and the p5W DH (975) have simular heatsinks to each other. The P5B as seen here
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowImage.asp?Image=13%2D131%2D028%2D02%2Ejpg%2C13%2D131%2D028%2D03%2Ejpg%2C13%2D131%2D028%2D04%2Ejpg%2C13%2D131%2D028%2D05%2Ejpg%2C13%2D131%2D028%2D06%2Ejpg&CurImage=13%2D131%2D028%2D04%2Ejpg&Description=ASUS+P5B+Deluxe%2FWiFi%2DAP+Socket+T+%28LGA+775%29+Intel+P965+Express+ATX+Intel+Motherboard+%2D+Retail
Has pin based brackets. And I beleive there may be a waterblock for the Northbridge. However there are no waterblocks for the voltage regulators. This is due to the fact that the voltage regulators pins are offset. The heatsinks on these boards REQUIRE a Fan based CPU aircooler to cool the motherboard. Without a fan on the CPU no air will be pushed through the fins that go around the chip
In addition this configuration makes it impossible to remove the heatsink on the Northbridge without ALSO removing the waterblock on the Voltage Regulators.
The P5B (regular), As you can see here...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowImage.asp?Image=13%2D131%2D030%2D02%2Ejpg%2C13%2D131%2D030%2D03%2Ejpg%2C13%2D131%2D030%2D04%2Ejpg%2C13%2D131%2D030%2D05%2Ejpg%2C13%2D131%2D030%2D06%2Ejpg&CurImage=13%2D131%2D030%2D04%2Ejpg&Description=ASUS+P5B+Socket+T+%28LGA+775%29+Intel+P965+Express+ATX+Intel+Motherboard+%2D+Retail
Has a pair of pins that hold down the Aluminum heatsink on the north bridge. These pins are VERY specific to the heatsink, and though I havent asked, I dont beleive there is a even a replacement fan based cooler. They are definately not strong enough to even hold a waterblock, assuming the tension placed on it by the tubes, and the added weight.
I would assume both the P5B, and the P5B Deluxe share the same voltage regulators. I also assume due to the low power requirements on the Intel Core 2 duo, that these voltage regulator heatsinks are not that important, and that the fins are used primarily to cool the Northbridge
Now the difficult decision is... What is the best Asus based 965 choice for overclocking on a water based cooling system?
If you absolutely need the features on the p5b deluxe then the answer is simple. But if you look at the features and find yourself not needing the p5b Deluxe versions features then the answer becomes more complex.
If you own a X6800 then the requirements to increase the FSB becomes less important. Thus additional heat to the Northbridge and Voltage regulators are not as important. When the P5B Bios update is released that recognizes that this chip is multiplier unlocked, I will not be supprised to see small differences to the overclocking potental of these two motherboards.
For other chipsets, the need to water cool these parts (especially the Northbridge) becomes important.
The best water cooling solution (and extreme) is to remove the heatsinks on either of these boards, and use thermal epoxy to perminately glue waterblocks to these MoBo's. The problem is that this board will be perminately modified, and any attempt to remove the waterblock will ultimately result in the removal of large portions of the motherboard. If you plan on doing this then A) make sure your motherboard is stable, and B) Buy a cheap motherboard
I have also thought about building a custom bracket to hold the Northbridge waterblock ontop of the flat copper surface of the heatsink found on the p5b Deluxe mobos. The problem is that any metal brackets may come in contact with the Motherboard, and that any plastic solution is near impossible to construct.
I havent researched the other manufacturers compatabilities.
Personally, I do not need the features of the P5B Deluxe and couldnt see spending $60 or more. This is based on my decision to buy the X6700. If I purchased the E6600, then I would want the added benifits of the copper heat sinks would be needed. My only regret is that I bought an Asus MoBo. I expect Asus to come out with a p5b Bios that will recognize the X6700 as beign multiplier unlocked.
I want to make sure my water supply is reliable and that everything works well before I OC. Therefor I am expecting a few months before I will start Overclocking. After a year or so, I may buy a MoBo that has waterblocks for it, thus giving me the freedom to increase the overall speed between the Intel chip and the northbridge.
That or I will simply glue the damn blocks on...
Hope this helps
Mike
The P5B Deluxe WiFi (965), and the p5W DH (975) have simular heatsinks to each other. The P5B as seen here
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowImage.asp?Image=13%2D131%2D028%2D02%2Ejpg%2C13%2D131%2D028%2D03%2Ejpg%2C13%2D131%2D028%2D04%2Ejpg%2C13%2D131%2D028%2D05%2Ejpg%2C13%2D131%2D028%2D06%2Ejpg&CurImage=13%2D131%2D028%2D04%2Ejpg&Description=ASUS+P5B+Deluxe%2FWiFi%2DAP+Socket+T+%28LGA+775%29+Intel+P965+Express+ATX+Intel+Motherboard+%2D+Retail
Has pin based brackets. And I beleive there may be a waterblock for the Northbridge. However there are no waterblocks for the voltage regulators. This is due to the fact that the voltage regulators pins are offset. The heatsinks on these boards REQUIRE a Fan based CPU aircooler to cool the motherboard. Without a fan on the CPU no air will be pushed through the fins that go around the chip
In addition this configuration makes it impossible to remove the heatsink on the Northbridge without ALSO removing the waterblock on the Voltage Regulators.
The P5B (regular), As you can see here...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowImage.asp?Image=13%2D131%2D030%2D02%2Ejpg%2C13%2D131%2D030%2D03%2Ejpg%2C13%2D131%2D030%2D04%2Ejpg%2C13%2D131%2D030%2D05%2Ejpg%2C13%2D131%2D030%2D06%2Ejpg&CurImage=13%2D131%2D030%2D04%2Ejpg&Description=ASUS+P5B+Socket+T+%28LGA+775%29+Intel+P965+Express+ATX+Intel+Motherboard+%2D+Retail
Has a pair of pins that hold down the Aluminum heatsink on the north bridge. These pins are VERY specific to the heatsink, and though I havent asked, I dont beleive there is a even a replacement fan based cooler. They are definately not strong enough to even hold a waterblock, assuming the tension placed on it by the tubes, and the added weight.
I would assume both the P5B, and the P5B Deluxe share the same voltage regulators. I also assume due to the low power requirements on the Intel Core 2 duo, that these voltage regulator heatsinks are not that important, and that the fins are used primarily to cool the Northbridge
Now the difficult decision is... What is the best Asus based 965 choice for overclocking on a water based cooling system?
If you absolutely need the features on the p5b deluxe then the answer is simple. But if you look at the features and find yourself not needing the p5b Deluxe versions features then the answer becomes more complex.
If you own a X6800 then the requirements to increase the FSB becomes less important. Thus additional heat to the Northbridge and Voltage regulators are not as important. When the P5B Bios update is released that recognizes that this chip is multiplier unlocked, I will not be supprised to see small differences to the overclocking potental of these two motherboards.
For other chipsets, the need to water cool these parts (especially the Northbridge) becomes important.
The best water cooling solution (and extreme) is to remove the heatsinks on either of these boards, and use thermal epoxy to perminately glue waterblocks to these MoBo's. The problem is that this board will be perminately modified, and any attempt to remove the waterblock will ultimately result in the removal of large portions of the motherboard. If you plan on doing this then A) make sure your motherboard is stable, and B) Buy a cheap motherboard
I have also thought about building a custom bracket to hold the Northbridge waterblock ontop of the flat copper surface of the heatsink found on the p5b Deluxe mobos. The problem is that any metal brackets may come in contact with the Motherboard, and that any plastic solution is near impossible to construct.
I havent researched the other manufacturers compatabilities.
Personally, I do not need the features of the P5B Deluxe and couldnt see spending $60 or more. This is based on my decision to buy the X6700. If I purchased the E6600, then I would want the added benifits of the copper heat sinks would be needed. My only regret is that I bought an Asus MoBo. I expect Asus to come out with a p5b Bios that will recognize the X6700 as beign multiplier unlocked.
I want to make sure my water supply is reliable and that everything works well before I OC. Therefor I am expecting a few months before I will start Overclocking. After a year or so, I may buy a MoBo that has waterblocks for it, thus giving me the freedom to increase the overall speed between the Intel chip and the northbridge.
That or I will simply glue the damn blocks on...
Hope this helps
Mike
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