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September 10, 2006 4:45:50 PM

I have a AMD Athlon 3000+ PC with a GeForce 5600 Ultra 128 card, its a APG card. Anyway I know the PC is old but I was thinking of upgrading the card to this model

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

My question is, is it a waste of money? I don't want to spend much more then $150.

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September 10, 2006 6:14:53 PM

If you have 1gb of RAM at least, then it's a pretty good upgrade.
September 10, 2006 6:59:08 PM

I have 2Gb of Ram
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September 10, 2006 7:10:49 PM

Good upgrade. Go for it. :wink:
September 10, 2006 9:10:22 PM

For the same price, wouldn't the X850 Pro be a better buy? Link

I hear people sizing up the X850 Pro in a lesser standing compared to the X850XT ... but I'm guessing the main differences are probably concerning memory speeds.

The X850 Pro has GDDR3 memory and a 256-bit interface. It has 12 pixel pipelines, same as the X1600, and I wouldn't be surprised if the memory speeds were higher, even.

EDIT - Found out that the X850 Pro has a Memory Clock Speed of 500MHz, and an Engine Clock Speed of 1000MHz (500MHz effective). The X850XT has 16 pixel pipelines, while the X850 Pro has 12.
Going back to the 7600GS: It has a 400MHz Core Clock and a 1080MHz Engine Clock (540MHz effective). Its memory is GDDR2 and the interface is 128-bit.

Given this data, wouldn't the X850 Pro make the better buy?
September 10, 2006 9:23:02 PM

Ive never been much of a ATI guy but Ill wait and see what others have to say about that card
September 10, 2006 9:24:56 PM

I also heard you could unlock 4 pipelines making it basically an X850XT. I'd definitely go for the X850 Pro over the 7600GS.
September 10, 2006 10:27:54 PM

another thing im thinking is... is this old PC worth putting money onto?

AMD Athlon 3000 ( 2.16Ghz )
2Gb PC2700 DDR
120Gb HD ATA133
GeForce 5600 Ultra 128Mb AGP 8X

Its to bad the MoBo is a socket A or I'd upgrade the processor and Vid Card and think nothing of it.

If I do upgrade the vid card, how much more use can I get out of this pc?
September 10, 2006 10:35:44 PM

'Engine clock' at 1000MHz?

I think you'll fine the Memory clock is 540MHz DDR, or 1080MHz effective, and the GPU is 520MHz on both the x850 Pro and x850XT, the pro has 4 pipelines diasbaled, which it *may* be possible to re-enable, but thats not a sure thing.

There is also the slightly faster x850XT PE, but I don't think thats availible anymore.

Either of these cards would be faster than a 7600GS, the only advantage the 7600GS offers is Shader Model 3.0 (and therefore HDR) support, so if image quality is more important for you should get the 7600GS, or maybe an x1xxx series card, the only AGP one being the x1600 Pro, which is quite a bit slower than the 7600GS (at least in 3dmark)

The only AGP option that supports SM3.0 and is faster than the x850 is the 7800GS, preferably the Gainward versions with 20 pipes, but this is expensive, and, being AGP, still a dead end upgrade.
September 10, 2006 11:57:29 PM

A 7600GS would be a fine upgrade for you. My advice would be, if you can go a liitle bit higher, the 7600GT would be your best bet. It performs up to par or better than the X850pro, and has sm 3.0 and supports OpenEXR HDR. To answer your question, the 7600GS wouldn't be a waste of your money. However, the X1600 series for gaming, is (at least until the X1650pro comes out).
a b U Graphics card
September 11, 2006 3:49:32 PM

The X850 pro would easily outperform the 7600GS. It's about equal to a X800XL and 6800GT. If you simply feel you must have an SM3.0 card, the 7600GT would be worth the extra money; 7600GS is a little weak.

Anyway, you'll be fine on that setup and could OC your AXP if you want a little more CPU power. My ranking is 7600GT, AIW X800XT, X850 pro, X800GTO/6800GS, 7600GS. (all in the $130-180 range).
September 11, 2006 6:03:46 PM

Ditto Paul again.

X850 XT or 7600 GT are probably your best bets.
a b U Graphics card
September 11, 2006 9:58:19 PM

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Ditto Paul again.

X850 XT or 7600 GT are probably your best bets.

Know of a good review that compares the two? :wink: :p 
September 11, 2006 10:59:57 PM

X8xx cards are old technology and do not support modern games. Dont get sucked in by these ATi zealots, get the 7600GS and overclock the balls off of it. ......you > winner...
September 11, 2006 11:04:09 PM

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The X850 pro would easily outperform the 7600GS.



Reported.
September 12, 2006 12:10:30 AM

i have never OCed anything on the PC.. would it make much of a difference? I wouldnt have a clue on how to even OC the thing
September 12, 2006 12:15:53 AM

The 7600GS will overclock 100Mhz over stock, in my own experience in dealing with a friends card(and reading reviews).

People on these boards will recommend cards based on their stock performance, but this can be decieving, graphics cards have hidden performance in their overclocking capabilities.

The 7600GS overclocks like a mad dog(in my own experience), and has all of the modern features of the newest cards available.
September 12, 2006 12:36:29 AM

THG just did a review on sub 200 GPU's, and Cleeverated 7600GT and X850XT as equal.

My opinion is that the 7600GT(not the GS) wins. For old games, both 7600GT and X850XT pulls enough FPS(CSS, Far Cry, etc.). The GS's clock falls behind too much. For new games, both lack enough power to use all eye candies. However, with the 7600GT at least you can enable HDR at a performance hit if the game does not have SM2 HDR.

If he really wants to OC like crazy, get a 6800GS with 256-bit bus.
September 12, 2006 1:08:28 AM

If you ask me i wouldnt go for the 7600GS or the ATI X1600 both have large(512mb or 256mb) memory but each only uses a 128 bit bus which in the case of 512MB will cause an extreme loss of performence because the 128 bit bus cannot handle that much memory.

X850PRO at newegg for 135$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

You really cant beat the X850PRO as you might be able to unlock a possible 4 more pipelines(just by doing a bios flash) making it X850XT and for that price cant complain
a b U Graphics card
September 12, 2006 1:11:03 AM

Even overclocked the 7600GS mem speeds will blow, and X850 pro's OC very well themselves and even have a chance to unlock. Stock the cards aren't even close, max overclocked they still would not be close. 3Dmark06 messed with your head GW. :tongue: You can have the HDR slideshow, and I'll take the smooth gameplay with higher resolution and FSAA. :p 
September 12, 2006 1:26:21 AM

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Even overclocked the 7600GS mem speeds will blow, and X850 pro's OC very well themselves and even have a chance to unlock. Stock the cards aren't even close, max overclocked they still would not be close. 3Dmark06 messed with your head GW. :tongue: You can have the HDR slideshow, and I'll take the smooth gameplay with higher resolution and FSAA. :p 
That HDR slideshow is so beautiful. :wink:
September 12, 2006 1:29:56 AM

go 7600GT its a good solid card.
September 12, 2006 1:53:26 AM

BFG 6800GS OC $140 after a $30 MIR. Faster than a 7600GS, and it supports HDR, SM3.0, and all those other goodies which my X600 doesn't :evil:  . The X850Pro MIGHT be a little bit faster, but I'd take this card anyway.

Or you could always wait for THIS to come back in stock.
September 12, 2006 4:31:22 AM

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go 7600GT its a good solid card.


Yes the GT is a good card however the 7600GT is PCI-E not AGP so that cannot apply here. HDR and SDM 3.0 are overrated good they are but it really doesnt apply for much games. The newer games coming out however support this technology (stronghold legends, Crysis, Supreme commander..ETC) but in any case spending only 130+ bucks for a good GFX cards is your best bet, i Bought my X800XL(PCIE) for 280$!!! man and that was in JANUARY! now the stupid things are selling forr 150+. go for a cheap card now you will thank me later when DX10 comes out and renders that 7600GS kaput.
September 12, 2006 7:33:14 AM

wait, i forgot the AGP 6800GS can be unlocked to Ultra. Maybe the Nv40 cores are gone now, but you never know........

here

my goodness THG is so slow with all these ads
a b U Graphics card
September 23, 2006 10:49:11 PM

That 6800XT has the SLOW 700MHz clocked mem, the 7600GS is better. But honestly, for a bit more that that 7600GS, you can have way more performance with this card:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1681...

It's a 7800GS level performer for $35 more than a 7600GS. You can't even begin to compare the two cards. I'd highly recommend that you grab that X850XTPE or the 7600GT.
September 23, 2006 11:21:19 PM

even though the 6800 is 256 bit the 7600 is still better huh?

Ive never been a ATI guy.. Ive tried them before and thought they were total junk.. what makes the ATI better here?
a b U Graphics card
September 23, 2006 11:44:52 PM

Yes, because the 6800XT has not only slow memory clock speeds, but only 8-pipes. That card would at best equal a 6600GT.

As far as X850XTpe vs. 7600GS vs. 6800XT, they are in completely different performance leagues. It's like comparing a corvette z06 to a 6-cylinder mustang.

As one example, look what the plain X850XT( 20MHz core/50MHz mem slower than the platinum edition) does to a 7600GS in this farcry chart: http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/digest3d/0806/itogi...

Also note just how stinking good the 6800XT does in that chart, but the reason is it's a massively clocked version 425MHz core/ 1000MHz mem compared to you links 325MHz/700MHz. Both 8-pipes and 256-bit, but the massive clock speed differential make for a huge performance increase. 6800XT's come in so many varieties you can't speak out them without knowing the individual cards specs. They ahppened to test the top of the line 6800XT: http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/digest3d/0806/itogi...

Anyway, as someone who has owned and used countless NV and ATI cards, I can assure you that ATI is not junk. That X850XTpe would outperform the 7600GT more often than not and is outstanding for the money. But either of those two would offer so much more performance than the 7600GS and 6800XT.

Anyway, read this review, it will show and explain the pluses and minuses to the X850XT. http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/08/25/sub_200_pci_expr...
September 24, 2006 12:49:38 AM

thank you for your help, Ill read the review
September 24, 2006 3:06:38 AM

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I have a AMD Athlon 3000+ PC with a GeForce 5600 Ultra 128 card, its a APG card. Anyway I know the PC is old but I was thinking of upgrading the card to this model

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

My question is, is it a waste of money? I don't want to spend much more then $150.


I dont think that 139$ for this card and ur system is a waste of money.
u ll see big difference. I think that it's a great buy.
September 24, 2006 3:47:54 AM

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THG just did a review on sub 200 GPU's, and Cleeverated 7600GT and X850XT as equal.


That may have been a typo, but it works.

"Buy it, it's been Cleeverated!"
September 24, 2006 3:48:31 AM

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another thing im thinking is... is this old PC worth putting money onto?

AMD Athlon 3000 ( 2.16Ghz )
2Gb PC2700 DDR
120Gb HD ATA133
GeForce 5600 Ultra 128Mb AGP 8X

Its to bad the MoBo is a socket A or I'd upgrade the processor and Vid Card and think nothing of it.

If I do upgrade the vid card, how much more use can I get out of this pc?


My wife runs something similar. It plays BF2 Pretty decently w/ a good video card in it. I say the 7600gs unless you are a gamer and want to play the newer games. Your PC's getting old. Maybe a new processor and board in order. I always give my kids the old computer. "Uh, yeah honey, the kids need a newer computer. I'll just give them mine." BAM upgrade time baby!
a b U Graphics card
September 24, 2006 4:27:02 AM

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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

how does that look?

Ill have to check but im pretty sure my pc has a antec 400 or 450 watt psu


Considering the Platinum Edition and the 7600GT AGP are out of stock, that looks very good for the money.
September 24, 2006 11:23:17 AM

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Your PC's getting old. Maybe a new processor and board in order


ok, i have 2gb of pc2700 ddr ram and id like to keep it, so that would mean 939 socket right? will pc 2700 ram work on a mobo for pc3200?
September 24, 2006 12:41:16 PM

Not all of them can be unlocked. It's a crapshoot. And besides, I thought the 7600 could eat the 850's lunch ( I could be wrong. I was once before, so theoretically.... :evil:  ).
September 24, 2006 12:42:33 PM

Sloooooowwwllly, but yes.
September 24, 2006 12:55:50 PM

"Uh, yeah honey, the kids need a newer computer. I'll just give them mine." BAM upgrade time baby!

That's wrong (and right) on so many levels.
September 24, 2006 2:31:00 PM

I could get the AGP vid card for $140 or I can upgrade the MoBo ( socket 939 ) and get a AMD X2 4200 and a PCIe 16X Vid Card for $430.. so for an extra $290 I go from a AMD Athlon 3000+ to a AMD X2 4200 and a PCIe 16X card.. seems like that might be the way to go
September 24, 2006 3:48:12 PM

look, don't let be foolish, the ati x850xt, is will play almost any new game out there on ultra high settings, remember it was once ati's top card so they put a lot of tech into it in order to try and top nvidia, I personally have one right now and I also have an nvidia card running on my other machine running of a kvm switch the ati is sharper, colors are more vibrant and true to life with just normal use, further more in gaming, it holds its frames per second more steadily, I play f.e.a.r. on it everything on maximum settings at 1280x960, I also play doom 3 every thing maxed on graphics setting at 1280x1060, and I play need for speed most wanted everything on highest settings, the only trick is to remember to turn on the vsync, it makes a heck of a difference and of course in fear soft shadows must be turned off, these games look, extremly beautiful on my x850xt, much better than the 7xxx series nvidia cards with their newer tech, I have one, so stop worring and get the x850xt bro.
September 24, 2006 4:05:21 PM

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That 6800XT has the SLOW 700MHz clocked mem, the 7600GS is better. But honestly, for a bit more that that 7600GS, you can have way more performance with this card:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1681...

It's a 7800GS level performer for $35 more than a 7600GS. You can't even begin to compare the two cards. I'd highly recommend that you grab that X850XTPE or the 7600GT.


Your link is broken: X850XT AGP: $175! This is an amazing price, considering that the AGP versions of this card are, to say the least, somewhat difficult to come by.

That 6800GS that I linked to earlier is good, but the X850XT is better, if you can spare like $30 or so.

Here's the ranking (best to worst) on all cards that have been mentioned so far:

X850XT = 7600GT > 6800GS > 7600GS > 6800XT

WHATEVER YOU DO, DO NOT GET THE 6800XT!

The 7600GT is almost never in stock, therefore I'd go for either the $140 6800GS or the $175 X850XT.
September 24, 2006 6:15:47 PM

thanks for your help guys.. il go with the ATI card
September 25, 2006 2:32:04 AM

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thanks for your help guys.. il go with the ATI card


Good choice; happy gaming!
a b U Graphics card
September 25, 2006 11:39:44 AM

The broken link was to the X850XTPE for the same price as the slower clocked XT. But they dissappeared quickly so your link there is the current best in stock AGP for the money. Hopefully the OP grabs one before they are gone too. Then he'll have to wait for the 7600GT to come back in stock (it says 09/29/06) and grab one before they are gone again. :?
September 25, 2006 5:11:49 PM

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Its to bad the MoBo is a socket A or I'd upgrade the processor and Vid Card and think nothing of it.


If this is true, then why not just upgrade the Motherboard as well? It won't be nearly the expense of the chip and vid card (depending on what features you want, you can get them for $30 new). Often times, you can buy a cheap motherboard and a PCI-e card for what the AGP version of the same card would cost.
September 30, 2006 1:11:17 PM

How much faster is a AMD X2 or Core 2 Duo then my AMD Athlon 3000+
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