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September 13, 2006 8:26:31 PM

Whos seen the newest addition to the enthusiast workshop? Bigfoot Networks' "Killer NIC". Can be seen at http://www.killernic.com.

The funny thing about the killer NIC is that, even though it’s a great card (by spec at least), the 5% processor useage makes me think "overkill". As is typical with "enthusiast"-oriented gear, overkill sells. The funny thing is, this time you've got a network card selling for close to $300. I mean, comon. I've got dual-port Compaq (IBM processor) NICs in all my servers, 3Com NICs in the workstations, 24-port 3Com switch, P3-600Mhz, 256mb router, and without upgrading to gigabit I've got it pretty good. I'd even call what I have overkill, 'specially seing as I'm only on a 6Mbit DSL connection...

Back to the "Killer NIC". Most of us (especially in the USA, even though I'm in Canada) are on 2.5-3.0 Mbit connections right? Even without the ever bottlenecking router in place … that NIC is never going to hit its limit. On the other hand, I would love to see this thing on a fiber connection...

Talking about price, when it comes down to it, the price is right. You're paying for bling, and you're getting bling. You're also paying for a somewhat pricey 400Mhz TI or random x86 processor, 64mb of (oddly enough) DDR RAM, custom PCB, etc etc. The USB is a nice addition, but would any self-respecting "enthusiast" actually use a usb-only highspeed modem? I sure hope not. And the heatsink … I've seen better heatsinks on ECS motherboards, even the original ASUS Sli's LOL. Still, it should be good enough to cool the card, right? Or is that big "K" just too 'hot' to cool anything down? But again I diverge from the subject - just more bling.

I wonder how "bling" it'll be when someone purchases this card, installs it wrong, fries it and the PCI slot… or even better, when this person's friend looks at the dead NIC and asks "what is that?!". The embarassed friend then replies "an advanced networking card". "Oooh" utters the baffled friend, "how much did you pay for it?" "...$279" he replies, too proud to profess that the card is dead. The friend looks at him and replies "$279 on a networking card you f*cking idiot?!"

… yeah, point made.

Taking a look at the way the market is moving over the past year or two, you notice that things don't always progress in the way that I, and I'm sure a lot of you think it should. Obviously the dual-core this, and the digital, parallel, and express that all adds up to some fun developments, but are we actually going anywhere with it. Where did Moore go wrong? Funny how something rediculous like a $300 network card gets an oldschool member like myself talking, but this is just proof of how a market once full of innovation lost respect, but gained a buck. Wonder how many people are actually going to be buying that NIC, thinking about how 'cool' it is, or are going to flame this post. Lets see which way supply and demand really curves.

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September 14, 2006 2:38:59 PM

Flakes,

I'd love to believe that it does indeed offer a ping and fps improvement in games, but come on - putting your computer in the fridge will do the same. Its not a matter of how smart someone is when considering the purchase of this card, its really how well the manufacturer is able to make the person want it (remember demand and supply).

People should be willing to spend $300 on upgrading their ISP's network 'a-la' AT&T. If everyone did that, ISPs would have no trouble upgrading us to real high-speed connections: fiber. Thats when you'll see your fps and ping improvements, and it won't be the point of the upgrade (but more like a nice after-effect).

The introduction of products like the "Killer NIC" just proves that people don't have anything better to spend their money on (because lets face it, people really do sell their 6800GTs in SLI for 7800's, and their X2 4600's for Athlon FXs). Having this card display a means of making better use of current high-speed networks and their bandwith limitations would have been a better way to market this product. Selling a network card based on the belief that this is the ultimate solution to the already max'd-out system is naive.

Flakes, maybe you do have it right though - people who buy this card can be "idiots", but I think the manufacturers who come out with these things base their business plans on the demand for flashy items, and consumer gulability.

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anyone who buys it is an idiot IMHO.

the card give 3ms less ping and 8-10 fps improvement in some games...

http://www.gdhardware.com/hardware/networking/bigfoot/k...

u would be better off ussing the money for a better computer.
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September 16, 2006 4:02:53 PM

Nice to see you too Wusy,

Funny thing is you're probably right with regards to the 3Com cards, and even those are expensive LOL. That Killer NIC is faster than my first Windows 95 PC (P133, 32mb RAM). Funny the way things change...

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Nice to see you again error! :D 

About the Killer NIC, I'm sure our 3Com 3C996-T can challenge it no sweat.
The card looks anything, but special.
September 16, 2006 4:32:40 PM

300 dollars for a 100 dollar card............ I'd say it's special alright !
September 17, 2006 2:33:34 AM

Hi all

First time posting :oops: 

I have been attentively reading toms website as of late and thought I might join in on some of the topics...
And my first question was going to be concerning the KillerNic...
(after reading this topic I kinda see that this particular product is not really all its jacked-up-to-be: however I would still like to ask...

Has the "NIC" improved significantly over the last many years: and if so then in what way?

tyvm
J.R.D.
September 18, 2006 5:23:18 AM

$100 if you swipe off the heatsink ...

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300 dollars for a 100 dollar card............ I'd say it's special alright !
September 18, 2006 6:45:21 AM

i havent read much about this card, but yes, paying 300 bucks for it is way too off.

I did like the fact that the card runs its own version of linux on it and that u can put software into it and work as a firewall and antivirus. also putting a bit-torrent application to d/l files to a connected external usb drive. but for this theres a really nice router out there that does the same and you dont have to have the pc turned on.

but yes i would like to see this card in action, i wonder if they can send me one to try it out, and if its really worth its pricetag.
September 19, 2006 2:23:51 AM

first i want to see reviews of this card, then i wana see if any nic card can match this, i hav some money to burn after buyin my current rig for $300
September 19, 2006 2:55:42 AM

Most every targeted user of the killer card would be better off taking the 300 bucks and asking their ISP to increase their bandwidth. I.E. Roadrunner Premium etc.

Now thats a sure way to get better pings.
September 19, 2006 3:43:35 AM

i have 9mb down and 1 meg up i consistantly have a ping og 15 to 18 ms most of the time. i have a 100 mb onboard nic and i think the killer is bogus.
September 19, 2006 4:08:25 AM

How much is the Intel Server NIC? Seems a lot better than this "Killer" NIC.

Seems kinda useless to have that much bandwidth between comps in a home enviroment, I can think of a few examples where than kind of speed is usefull but none of them apply to home use.
September 19, 2006 4:33:48 AM

It's a really good waste of $300. If you calculate the expected value on something like that (as my brother the stats major would) you would find out it would be a really negative way to spend $300 in a computer, there are so many other ways to put another $300 into a computer that would help so much more. The only way I would ever use one is if I was in a competition to build the most expensive computer possible. It has to come down to $100 before most mainstream gamers would even start to consider one. For now it's for the money is no object crowd.
September 19, 2006 4:56:16 AM

People who bought it on newegg are saying great things about it..hell, for a 300$ nic card I make myself believe there is a difference.
September 19, 2006 12:17:56 PM

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How much is the Intel Server NIC? Seems a lot better than this "Killer" NIC.


http://www.pcnation.com/web/details.asp?item=J48144

This one is $900 - I think there is a fiber one for over $3,000.

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Seems kinda useless to have that much bandwidth between comps in a home enviroment...


I wasn't suggesting someone use it in a home environment, it was kind of a joke like the $300 nic in the OP.
September 19, 2006 2:32:05 PM

Exactly what I said before; $300 / year is $25 / month, which increases your connection speed up to the next package (unless you're at the highest speed already). Otherwise, if the are you live in is already wired with fiber-optic, $300 is pretty much the price you'll pay to have the fiber-ISP run cable into your house so that you can have a straight fiber connection.

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Most every targeted user of the killer card would be better off taking the 300 bucks and asking their ISP to increase their bandwidth. I.E. Roadrunner Premium etc.

Now thats a sure way to get better pings.
September 19, 2006 2:34:32 PM

Fellow faster-than-run-of-the-mill-connection sharer, you know my pain. Bandwith limits remain bandwith limits, regardless of the PC being used. Having a faster router on the other hand makes a hell of a difference.

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i have 9mb down and 1 meg up i consistantly have a ping og 15 to 18 ms most of the time. i have a 100 mb onboard nic and i think the killer is bogus.
September 19, 2006 2:39:33 PM

LOL

In reality, cards like my dual-port 10/100 Compaq server NICs (IBM processors) are plenty for the home / light server user (without going giabit). The cards allow for port aggregation, fail-over, etc, and can be picked up off of ebay for about 1/10'th of the price of the "killer". Even the lower-end Intel server NICs are nice solutions, running about $100 (which is a lot more sensical). Then again, I can't wait to see someone upgrade from a wifi network connection claiming that standard desktop NICs are too slow, moving to the "killer" and realizing there was no wifi... LOL.

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How much is the Intel Server NIC? Seems a lot better than this "Killer" NIC.


http://www.pcnation.com/web/details.asp?item=J48144

This one is $900 - I think there is a fiber one for over $3,000.

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Seems kinda useless to have that much bandwidth between comps in a home enviroment...


I wasn't suggesting someone use it in a home environment, it was kind of a joke like the $300 nic in the OP.
September 19, 2006 2:46:33 PM

Kinda like the guys who claim that there's a discernable difference between running two 6800GT's versus two 7800GT's... Yeah, I'd believe anything when I blatantly wasted my money.

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People who bought it on newegg are saying great things about it..hell, for a 300$ nic card I make myself believe there is a difference.
September 19, 2006 8:23:40 PM

I WILL MAKE YOU BELIEVE

a lot of ppl will stil buy this cuz its a top "gamer" thing, ppl who bought the physics cards would probably get this

hell i use integrated network ports on my mobo i get around 50 ping on most NA servers with my 3mb down(soonh to be upgraded to 5 for free) and 768kb up
September 20, 2006 10:39:34 PM

I don't agree with you - the physics cards really are worth it ! ... or not.

I actually thought that that fad would last a little bit longer, but maybe I was wrong. On that subject, can't wait to see what the AMD+ATI baby turns out to be like.

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I WILL MAKE YOU BELIEVE

a lot of ppl will stil buy this cuz its a top "gamer" thing, ppl who bought the physics cards would probably get this

hell i use integrated network ports on my mobo i get around 50 ping on most NA servers with my 3mb down(soonh to be upgraded to 5 for free) and 768kb up
September 21, 2006 9:01:52 AM

ryokinshin-Your system specs do not warrant spending 300 on an NIC, with 300 you can buy a freakin 7950 gt, or an Xfi fps with money to spare, 2 things your computer could benefit from. Actually benefit, like VERY noticably. Buy yourself some nicer speakers. Buy something good, not something that only the toms 10 k pc might look for, add-ons like that are only worth even looking at when you have expended every other possible upgrade. OOOH buy a bitchin 19 inch lcd with a 2 ms response.
September 21, 2006 10:04:54 AM

That is not a "killer" NIC!

This is a "killer" NIC:

http://www.syskonnect.de/e_en/products/adapters/pci_64/...


Sure the "killer" NIC has some interesting features but it's only 32bit PCI which is just bad!

It probably does perform a couple of % better than an average NIC but I don't think it's worth it.

Internet access wise a NIC is not going to help much if it helps at all!

Your internet performance is more a function of your router and ISP than anything else.

It might make a huge difference on your LAN depending on how it's built.
September 21, 2006 11:01:20 AM

I had read reviews of that NIC on some other site... it clearly is meant for individuals needing to maximize their e-penis lengths... the ones that have tried other methods and failed. It just seems silly.
September 22, 2006 4:23:20 AM

e-pen1s??? what?
September 22, 2006 11:00:46 AM

Yes?
September 25, 2006 11:26:37 PM

They should have a collective agreement with the viagra guys - their slogan can be "we give you a hard-on that'll enlarge your virtual-penis 10-times over!". Sounds fun, sign me up!

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Yes?
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September 26, 2006 7:45:07 PM

I already found a better use for it ... slowly gouging my eyes out.


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Hey, I found a good use for that card.
That K heatspreader is perfect for a case mod! :twisted:

A very expensive killer piece of metal...
September 30, 2006 8:45:35 AM

Well my freinds me and a freind of mine decided to go ahead and buy this joker NIC. and my results were less then apealing...

Here is my rig that we used as the test rig.

ASUS A8V Motherboard
AMD Athlon 64 4000+
1GB OCZ DUAL CHANNEL RAM
nVidia 7800GS AGP
200GB Western Digital HDD IDE 100
Onboard NIC 10/100/1000
Test NIC Killer Nic

Internet Connection
Comcast Broad Band
Speed tested on Speakeasy.net using Chicago location
http://www.speakeasy.net/speedtest/
testing Conducted at 3AM in the morning with similar results for both nics
Download: 24,423 kbps
Upload: 703 kbps

Game: Battlefield 2
FPS Capture: FRAPS

ok i would like to appologize for not having any data sheets or screen shots but this is what we found

Graphic Settings maxed out NO AA 1024X768

Server: Internode 24/7 Strike At Karkand (This server is in Europe I am in America) full 64 man server at time of testing
Using On Board
Average FPS: 33
Average Ping : 110 (Unbearable)

Using Killer Nic
Average FPS: 35
Average Ping: 107 Still (Unbearable)

Server: Insommia 24/7 Masturhur City (Based out of Huston TX) 60 People in server at time of testing
Using Onboard
Average FPS: 52
Average Ping: 37 (Awesome and smooth)

Using Killer NIC
Average FPS: 53
Average Ping: 41 (Intersting higher but still smooth)

At that point we wernt conviced it was worth $300 but maybe if testing was done on a slower internet speed it might have been worht it or showen some major improvements.

PS Sold Card on EBay for $280 hehe
September 30, 2006 1:48:07 PM

I believe the jury has spoken.
October 1, 2006 5:27:34 PM

Voska, I didn't really expect anything more thant what you've just shown us. The card can only do so much in terms of increasing network performance. It would be nice to see something so enthusiastic in a router instead of a network card. Seems like the manufacturer of the "K" forgot that most of the people buying this card will be using DLink routers anyways... lol.

Now the issue, in my opinion, lies with the fact that we can't really see this card on a HIGH SPEED connection. I'm not talking about your 24000kbit connection (even though that speakeasy site doesn't seem to actually properly guage speeds - I know that i'm on a 3Mbit connection at work, and it shows that I'm at like 14Mbit). It would be interesting to test this card out on an ISDN connection, or even on a 40Mbit (true) fiber connection. That way the card would be allowed to take advantage of its capacities.
October 2, 2006 8:51:42 AM

Yea I mean about 4 months ago that speak easy website was accurate but lately it seems to be bugged lately. I actually have a 8mbps from comcast. But yea it hoenstly is worthless I would see more improvement from useing that $300 for more ram which is something that has been proven to increase game performance or a better video card but my 7800GS is doing great and it was $300 when i bought it. so yea
October 22, 2006 10:06:02 AM

Hey, It really comes down to, again, supply/demand, which in the States, comes down to well-thought-out marketing...

Do keep in mind, extension cards, historically, when first introduced, were criticized as a "waste of money". Need we remember graphical co-processors of old...

Again, not saying that KillerNIC is worth the cash spent... however... I really see the marketing opportunities that will develop further, as the gamer becomes more... consumerist :D . It's not going to just go with KillerNIC cards... it's going to go with a "KillerLAN Kit" (Or some other company equivilant), with a specially programmed NIC, Router, and Cable or DSL modem that work together to apparently get huge increases in performance. This isn't so far-fetched really, as we go into quad-SLI and quad-core Processors, such over-the-top systems could easily sell... especially since, imho, most of the potential for "Gamer Networking Solutions" is mostly untapped, because gaming routers have only had limited sucess as I recall.

On an off-note... thinking about how Dual Core and Quad Core are basicly unsupported by most games for the most part... wouldn't it be nice if there was a nifty program to use that extra core to do all the work that these spiffed-up NICs do? I'm just assuming it's possible to do all the things these spiffed-up NICs do via software implementations, and that the hardware just reduces CPU strain.

Back to the point...

http://www.killernic.com/KillerNic/KillerReviews.aspx

Right... so where's Tom's Hardware review? were they too frightened to be judged by Tom's Hardware? or has Tom's Hardware simply not judged it yet, because the Networking Section doesn't exist anymore? :p 
October 22, 2006 11:27:18 AM

this is indeed a pure waste of money
i would sooner buy a physics card, and that means a lot :lol: 
October 23, 2006 9:25:32 AM

you guys dont get it, for people with in thier mind, the perfect rig, this card chould exactly what they wished for... for example, my friend just bought this card, he claims he has the best computer in the OC... he bought this card the day it came out, he has fiber optics connection quad SLI etc etc and when he installed this card he felt a difference in his opinion, now im not one to judge, but if anything can increase or change the definition of ultimate, or perfect, then im all for it, sure maybe for 300 bucks, loading ur email in .72 seconds wasn't worth it, but like some people dish out jack loads of money to improve there cars by just a little bit, who are we to say it's stupid to want a faster computer.
October 23, 2006 10:17:29 AM

Well in this case it is stupid. I'm saying that becuase of hte price if it was more like $50 or so i would get it to just to get a little more speed like tweaking ram timings and such. But its not $50 its incredably over priced for what it gives. i have a 3meg by 768k DSL line which when FIOS comes out ill have the i think 30meg by 5 meg line IF that card comes down to a not so stupid price i might get it otherwise i dont care. Also if it comes in a pci e interface. Sure little tweaks on everything add up to one big tweak but um $300? for a nic? I'm one of the maybe few people here that have a 8 computer network at home that is always moving files upwords of 3 gigs a piece from one computer to another or streaming vidoes from one box to another to watch movies and such so i welcome faster networking but im also not going to blow $300 on a nic. Now if it say doubled my network speed and cut my pings in half where i would normaly get like 200 ping or whatever (i should say more then half cuz 100 still sux) i might spend more like $100.
October 23, 2006 10:42:08 AM

u cheap basturd 8O
October 23, 2006 11:12:36 AM

I have a old NIC laying around, would it be wise to install it in my gaming computer? Would there be any gains?
October 23, 2006 11:20:24 AM

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u cheap basturd 8O


These are all total lies!
October 23, 2006 11:39:58 AM

$200+ for a 5-10ping lower. Better off upgrading to a faster connection.
October 23, 2006 11:45:29 AM

Thing about that is a faster connection doesnt mean your going to get better pings since it wont change your location,hops,net traffic, and a bunch of other things that are degrading your ping to whatever server.
October 23, 2006 11:56:29 AM

I don't about you man but playing BF2 well I got about 30 ping average. Anyways some servers will give me like 10-15 but it's stuttering like it's crazy. I'm getting like 10fps, no kidding. But some servers give me way better ping and I can become invisible as some can't even shoot me on time. I would go around them and stab thier back. Anyways I was considering of getting this Killer NIC but since I have read few reviews about it I don't see a big difference.

Although I'm looking at stores here in Chicago area, to see if I could get my hands of this and test it.
October 23, 2006 12:00:57 PM

yeah alot of servers give me 30 ping also but i cant blindly pick servers and hope the ping is going to be good. for all i know it could be a east coast server with a crappy backbone.
October 23, 2006 12:07:27 PM

Some serves give me over 1000 ping and the ones that gives me 0 thinking it would be faster is also the same as if it's getting 1000 ping. What's up with that?
October 23, 2006 12:15:26 PM

The ping it sends the second your system pings it. would be nice if hte ping was more real time so you could see it flux and see how stable it was.
October 31, 2006 8:40:48 PM

Voska, reading your post made my day! :lol: 

Seriously, though... upgrading your NIC is NOT going to shave a 120ms ping time down to 10ms or something absurd like that. NICs are not the bottleneck on WAN connections.

EnFoRceR is right. Ping time has more to do with network hops/traffic.

Anyway, I think the best part is how Killer NIC is marketing this piece of crap. With their "tired of being on the wrong end of the baggin'?" ads online. It's sad that they are actually suckering poor consumers into buying a "Killer NIC" by making them think they are suddenly going to rock it up in online games.
October 31, 2006 8:48:11 PM

Maybe they can give it AI a internet roadmap and future seeking traffic jam reports then it will do what its suppose to.
October 31, 2006 8:54:21 PM

DaSickNinja did a full review on the Killer Nic

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