Today.... Dell goes AMD

Since AMD processors are so much cheaper now, it is highly likely that Dell will be using AMD processors in order to manufacture their PCs cheaper, but still sell them at ridiculous prices! Meaning bigger profit margins!!....

... however, that is beside the point, because... come on! Dell... using AMD processors!... its like hell has frozen over! Wait... but isn't the Norse version of Hell a frozen wasteland to begin with? ZOMG!!! D:

When you buy a Dell you don't buy specs (they're just there to confuse you) you buy the one closest to your budget - talking about your average ain't got a clue Dell customer. Anyone who actually buys a Dell will see a price tag and nothing more than a different sticker on the box.

So my point is, it'll basically be down to whether or not Dell decide to put forth models that fit into the most common price brackets, or if they decide to just make really budget PCs.

Someone really, really cool will now look up Dell's sales reports and find some number to prove me wrong - ^^ that's just my take on this particular question.

i looked at the dell site. the choices are crap(as usual) i no they have only started shipping with amd cpus but 4 cpu's?? why bother!

they should have been offering the top, middle and bottom cpu in each range i.e: 3000, 3500, 4000 for single core and x2 3600/x2 3800, x2 4600, x2 5000.

and still the ridiculous pricing continues.

i would only recommend a dell computer to someone if i wanted to laugh in their face afterwards

Dell's primary business is servers & workstations. Picking up AMD is a good move as many business will continue to buy additional Opteron servers as they like to keep with the same platform they have now (Many won't start buying Intel even though Woodcrest/Clovertown might be better. They stick to the platform they are currently using until a major upgrade is required).

It also puts Dell in a postion to offer K8L when it's released next year. This could be huge for Dell (and AMD).

I agree with you on the average home buyer just buying for price. Worked for Packard Bell in the 90's. People will never learn....  

You have to remeber that when people compare teh HeatBurst they had with the X2 they get, they will know it was worth it.

Looking at the configure screen they are offering an X2 3800+ with a 17" LCD for $569 or a slimline for $599. I paid more than that for my 3200+ 754 with NO monitor.

The core 2 models start even higher. They should they are worth more.

I'm sure the average Dell buyer wouldn't know if it had P4 netburst or P4 starburst in it. All they saw (and heard on the commericals) were "Intel Inside" and the chimes.

I seriously doubt Mary Buyacomputer cared if it could run Doom 3 with so much FPS, as much as she could get online to get Sally Piemaker's recipes for chili.

you cant do anything hardly to upgrade a dell, id never buy one. They are great for people who dont know what theyre doing or just need a workstation. I like both processor makers, who cares whos better, thats baby crap if you ask me.

I don't care either. I would recommend Core 2 but that desn't mean I have to buy it.

I'm talking about average use. With all of the crap in the systray you can get to 700Mb RAM real quick and the FSB of PD chokes when swapping. Mary BuyAComputer may well be running a mail order business from the house and there will be a noticeable difference.

Suzy PieMaker may have 3 kids who get tried of watching a slideshow with the case door open. I would expect Dell to be profitable in at most 2 quarters.They have lost money 4 out of 5 of the last quarters - and that's from Dell, not the Inq.

I damn near coined the phrase "take it with a grain of salt" when referring to the Inq. Maybe your ADHD is acting up so you can't remember.

That's FSCKING LIES. The FSB has NOTHING to do with SWAPPING.


And I damn near coined the phrase, "640K ought to be enough for anybody.", curse that imposter Bill Gates for popularizing it.

That's FSCKING LIES. The FSB has NOTHING to do with SWAPPING.


And I damn near coined the phrase, "640K ought to be enough for anybody.", curse that imposter Bill Gates for popularizing it.

So if your FSB is runnign at 800MHz and you have to sawp 32MB RAM while reading from the HDD, you won't get a slowdown?

What an idiot. I use OptiCrap all the time at work and I watch it grinding as I switch back and forth. SOme devs I know have out of memory errors and we have tracked it to slow swapping and I had a 3200+ with 512MB that ran A LOT better when loading close to or above physical RAM(my work box has 1MB).

You serious? I think I gotta go clean my BS detectors on that one.

Obviously, What an idiot refers to BaronMatrix, indeed.
Apparantly, you don't understand how modern OPERATING SYSTEMS work, so don't call yourself a "dev" if you can't understand that the FSB has nothing to do with "swapping." I'll even go as far as saying that you don't understand what you wrote: "while reading from the HDD". So, what's the bottleneck: a 15000rpm SAS 130MB/sec with a 2ms latency (note: 2ms is 2000000ns) hard drive, or a 6.4GB/sec FSB (latency 200ns, generously overestimated)? Before posting sh1t in the forums, learn some background information.



Your work box has 1MB? Wow, I can see that swapping a hell of a lot, compared to a 3200+ with 512M.


What are these devs you know? 5KR1P7 K1DD13Z!!1!?!??1!?
Out of memory errors have nothing to do with the speed of swapping. :roll:  

I was going to post this when I noticed it a couple days back, and say that you'd be happy that they offer the X2 5000+.

Oh christ where do I begin with this.



Hmm. Here you claim:



Yet you've posted two topics on it. And you sound pretty damn excited about it if you ask me.



Not this FUD again, we called you out on this BS and you couldn't back up your claims. STFU and get back to mopping floors and cleaning toilets.



BaronBS thats called FUD.

You serious? I think I gotta go clean my BS detectors on that one.


Maybe you should clean your Tom's HW forum Google filter.

I was going to post this when I noticed it a couple days back, and say that you'd be happy that they offer the X2 5000+.


I was expecting the 3600+. Maybe that will come with the Optiplex systems due next month.

Eheh. Teh prices are ridiculous as always. My 3rd reason in my "Don't buy Dell" book. unfortunately, I made that mistake 2 years ago. Anyway, worse comp than mine=$1500. Mine only cost $1300 with a E6600, 7600GT, P5B Deluxe.

Have you run out of material so much that you're reduced to pumping Dell?? 8O
I repeat, Dell 8O
I really better get to bed now.

Action_Girl said




So where are your links that show that the FSB doesn't cause problems. Oh that's right, everyone knows that already. I have had devs tell me that they have LOTS of problems once they exceed physical RAM. I have seen these problems. (they should a "lick your tongue out and thumb your ears" avatar).

PWNED!

I wouldn't push P4\PD. Who the heck is Michael Dell? The XPS has Core 2. Buy it. now.

Eheh. Teh prices are ridiculous as always. My 3rd reason in my "Don't buy Dell" book. unfortunately, I made that mistake 2 years ago. Anyway, worse comp than mine=$1500. Mine only cost $1300 with a E6600, 7600GT, P5B Deluxe.

Maybe thats why Dell makes most of their money on volume discounts.

WTF, is this even English? FSB is still doing quite well even with 4 cores running. Yes Intel will eventual intergrate the memory controller but even they know its still to soon for a new platform launch.

O MIGHTY ONE, What does FSB have to do with swapping?[/bait]

Obviously, What an idiot refers to BaronMatrix, indeed.
Apparantly, you don't understand how modern OPERATING SYSTEMS work, so don't call yourself a "dev" if you can't understand that the FSB has nothing to do with "swapping." I'll even go as far as saying that you don't understand what you wrote: "while reading from the HDD". So, what's the bottleneck: a 15000rpm SAS 130MB/sec with a 2ms latency (note: 2ms is 2000000ns) hard drive, or a 6.4GB/sec FSB (latency 200ns, generously overestimated)? Before posting sh1t in the forums, learn some background information.



Your work box has 1MB? Wow, I can see that swapping a hell of a lot, compared to a 3200+ with 512M.


What are these devs you know? 5KR1P7 K1DD13Z!!1!?!??1!?
Out of memory errors have nothing to do with the speed of swapping. :roll:  

Craptiplex DOESN'T HAVE A 15,000 RPM anything.


STUPID!

Some programs will not report a timeout waiting to get malloc returned.

Idiot, I used a hypothetical FASTEST PERFORMING HARD DRIVE as a reference device with higher performance than what you would ever find in a Dell workstation computer. In a sense, I tilted the argument in your favor by picking the fastest hard drive, when comparing it to the FSB. Alright to make you happy, let's repeat the comparison of the FSB to the hard drive with a REALISTIC, CHEAP-ASS CRAPTIPLEX HARD DRIVE.

Assuming a Maxtor 7200rpm hard drive:
7200rpm ATA/133 50MB/sec with a 12ms latency (note: 12ms is 12,000,000ns)
vs
6.4GB/sec Intel FSB with a 2ns latency?

Let's read 32MB (33554432 bytes) over the FSB.
How much time does it take?
First, a request on the bus takes ~20ns.
Then, the data can be transferred in as fast as 5 ms.
Total time: At least 5.00002ms. Let's just assume it takes 6ms.

Let's read 32MB from the hard drive.
How much time does it take?
First, the hard drive has to seek 12,000,000ns.
Then, the data must be read at 50MB/sec, assuming no fragmentation. This takes 640 ms.
Operating system and IDE Controller overhead is ignored.
Total time: A lot more than 652ms, depending on fragmentation.

652ms >> 6ms.
HDD TIME >> FSB TIME.
QED. (ie. PWN3D, n00b)


251ms >> 6ms.
HDD time >> FSB time.
Even with a GOD DRIVE, you wouldn't be able to come close to the FSB's inherent bandwidth and latency advantage.

Your CRAPTIPLEX probably sucks when swapping because its hard drive sucks. Smart people use a dedicated hard drive (or RAID0) for swap.


Bad programmers, eh?

STUPID!

You're the one making BS claims you moron. YOU'RE supposed to provide proof.



By everyone you mean yourself, your invisible friends or your multiple personalities?



Yeah that happens any system you moron. Hint: its not the FSB thats the problem. :roll:

Owned again moron. Now get back to mopping those floor and cleaning those toilets before they fire you.

You say that like you are talking from experience. I put extra RAM, a new video card and a new power supply in a Dell. But that wasn't an upgrade, right? If you are going to bash Dell, at least know what you are talking about. I also heard ON THIS FORUM that Dells were now being DESIGNED to be upgradeabrle, as it says on their site.

I told gOJDO:

Guess what, I never needed to. Action_Man did it for me.

Ahhh bad luck, BM. This was almost going to be an interesting and worthwhile thread, until you started making BS claims about Intel's apparently laggy FSB (WTF!?!?). Better luck next time.

Oh yeah, and 'I only get interested by CPU news, not excited' (OWTTE) I remember you directed at me not long ago. With the very first post of this thread you managed to, how do you say, pwn yourself.

You're the one making BS claims you moron. YOU'RE supposed to provide proof.



By everyone you mean yourself, your invisible friends or your multiple personalities?



Yeah that happens any system you moron. Hint: its not the FSB thats the problem. :roll:

Owned again moron. Now get back to mopping those floor and cleaning those toilets before they fire you.

Yeah right, evry reviewer out there says scalability suffers. That includes scaling to heavy RAM usage.

If you look at a diagram of Intel's chipsets you will see that in order to get data from th HDD you have to go through the NorthBridge, while memory requests also have to go through the Northbridge.
Withan 800MHz FSB, swapping will cause a hit if you are swapping large portions of apps while being at the limit of physical RAM.

Some requests will come from RAM some will come from the HDD. WIth an IMC, only the SOuthbridge talks to the HDD while the IMC talks to mem over HT.

Linkage!

Yet you can't provide a link with data?



Sigh more BS.



Wow you failed to prove your point with any sort of data, links or anything. Good job moron now get back to mopping the floors and cleaning the toilets.

Oh!!!!!! What a shame for Dell!!!!!!!

The inventor of 4x4 will have to pay for his invetnion!

If AMD is lucky they will end up with like 15%

So since you all have or know someone who has a Core 2, tell them to open enough LARGE programs to use all of their physical RAM and do things like compiling JSP or ASP while surfing the web and looking at Outlook and

YOU WILL SEE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE FSB CONTROLS ACCESS TO BOTH THE RAM AND HDD.


If you are not at the limit of PHYSICAL RAM (FUNNY HOW YOU ALL READ OVER THAT PART) the bottleneck may not appear (at least with Core 2, PD\P4 on that 533 or 800 sucks).


But anyway, you all know the FSB sucks and Dell now has boxes with IMC so all of this is MOOT.

Oh!!!!!! What a shame for Dell!!!!!!!

The inventor of 4x4 will have to pay for his invetnion!

people like you are why there are terrorists. AMD invented it, I suggested it to Rahul Sood before any announcements.
Please provide proof. And be damn careful of what you attribute terrorism to.

LOL (To the above quote and to the title of this thread   )

If you can't tell then I truely pity you.
In these quite turbulent times comments such as those are very off color when delievered in a manner such as that. Its the basic equivilent to saying that becasue they're stupid they caused 9/11.
When you're angry enough to post something as that, you are not cognizant enough to hold a decent and meaningful debate with.
So with that I proclaim you a jackass