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IIyama vs Sony: diamondtron vs trinitron

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March 26, 2002 11:51:58 PM

Hi,

im wondering to spend around 1000-1500$USD for
a 22" IIyama Vision Master Pro 512.

but i hesitate yet between 2 brands & 2 or 3 monitors:

SONY GDM-F520 21" (maybe also the CPD-G520 or G520P)
&
IIYAMA Vision Master Pro 512 22"

mainly linked to image quality & CRT.

Diamondtron versus Trinitron.

is someone knows those monitors ?

what could be the advantages/disadvantages similitudes/differences between those 2 monitors & those 2 CRTs ?

thanks.

Lab.


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April 1, 2002 11:52:30 PM

??

if <b>you know</b> <font color=white>you don't know<i><font color=black>, the way could be more easy ...<font color=red><P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Labdog on 04/01/02 07:54 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
April 1, 2002 11:56:08 PM

noone has already tried a trinitron monitor & a diamondtron monitor ?

thanks to some experiences.



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April 2, 2002 10:18:36 PM

I have the Sony CPD-G520 and it is simply awesome. I definately recommend it.
April 3, 2002 12:32:08 AM

good, but can you expand your thoughts about.

why did you said its awesome ?

because of the image quality, performances, trinitron crt, price, settings, OSD, dot pitch slightness, etc.

thanks to precise.


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April 4, 2002 6:03:12 PM

Well, for starters, the screen is perfectly flat: horizontally and vertically. Actually, it took a little getting used to cause I'm so used to a horizontal curve...

The picture is very crisp - watching a DVD with this monitor reminds me of HDTV. As for gaming, which I do a fair amount of, when I look at other people's monitors, I'm reminded about how nice my is.

I have 3 Sony monitors, two 21's and a 19 and each one has been a rock solid joy. My only gripe on the new 21' is the display control - I believe they changed this in later models. It used a little rocker that controlled everything - to select something, you push up. I really prefer multiple buttons.

My first 21" I bought 5 years ago and paid 1.4k for it. It's not as nice as the newer one (only because it still has slight horizontal bend) but the picture quality is still outstanding (that's pretty good since I've moved 6 times since I bought it...)

Once thing I use to determine what separates one monitor from another is how sharp images are in the corners. The corners are furthest away from the electron gun and thus are more likely to a little blurry in lower quality monitors. A good way to test this is to bring up a text doc full misc. text and look for distortions. My monitor at work is pretty bad and this little "feature" drives me nuts.

I bought the new 21" cause of the price - you can't beat 700 delivered for this good of a monitor. I've never had any issues with any of 'em and recommend them at a drop of a dime.

If you're really going for the gusto, I would look around and see if you can find a demo of Sony's 24". It sells for about 1.7k

Your monitor is the one thing you're never gonna upgrade. It's the eyes to your computer. The better monitor you have, the more enjoyable your computing will be.

I hope that's enough detail for you...
April 5, 2002 10:17:32 AM

well, just for half part of the question.

im waiting for IIyama owners comments & opinions...


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April 5, 2002 9:46:52 PM

I have a Mits. 2020u (Diamontron) and Sony G520. I use the max visible area on both monitors. The Sony has much better geometry and text is sharp across entire screen, including corners.

My 2020u always had a problem with balancing the pincushion across screen, as well as blurred text in the corners.

I have to admit the 2020u does have great OSD controls for convergence, but bottom line, the image quality can't match the Sony.

Maybe this isn't a fair comparison 'cause the G520 does have finer pitch (2020u = .25mm - .27mm, G520 = .24mm).
April 6, 2002 2:21:14 AM

yes, i dont think you can compare:

mitsubishi monitor previous version
vs
sony monitor recent version

<i>note: the last mitsubishi monitor is the Diamond Pro 2060u NF & it has a 0.24 mm aperture grille</i>

moreover you cant compare:

mitsubishi & IIyama brands.

1) mitsubishi is now mixed up with nec.
2) mitsubishi makes good monitors similar to IIyama (same technology & CRT used) but its monitors are a little inferior to IIyama monitors. i even think they recover their technology for themself

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April 6, 2002 6:00:11 AM

Maybe slightly unrelated... but my $.02 anyway.

I just bought the NEC FP1375X and the picture is absolutely awful. I am taking this thing back the first chance I get. At any resolution greater than 1600X1200 text becomes blurry. Messing with the contrast and convergence helps a bit.

I'm leaning towards the EIZO F980 for the Sony GDM-F520. Anyone have experience with either of these models?
April 6, 2002 9:14:47 AM

from the Eizo site:
"The FlexScan F980 expands the performance capabilities of CRT displays to new levels with a sharp dot pitch of 0.23 mm and a maximum resolution of 2048 x 1536 / 85 Hz."

"<b>CRT Phosphor Pitch 0.23 mm / 0.20 mm (Horizontal).</b>"

"Recommended Resolution <b>1600 dots x 1200 lines</b> flicker-free <b>at 109 Hz</b>,
<b>2048 dots x 1536 lines at 85 Hz</b> addressable."

go ahead with the Eizo F980.
i think you willnt waste your money for.

<i>note: the IIyama Vision Master Pro 512 has the same perfs except the 0.24 dot pitch instead of 0.23 but the Eizo is doubtlessly more expensive as well.</i>


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April 6, 2002 9:28:05 AM

well, i found the Eizo F980 price: $1,452.95 USD,
near the double of a IIyama 22".


not really cheaper... :) 



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April 6, 2002 9:44:46 AM

i have found the Highlights for the Eizo F980,
here they are:

Highlights:

High Refresh Rates and Large Screen SizeThe F980 utilizes a newly developed shadow mask CRT with a super fine horizontal pitch of 0.20 mm (dot pitch of 0.23 mm), and can display high resolutions with extreme clarity. SuperErgoCoat™ reduces external reflection to help eliminate eye fatigue and present a pleasant, clear picture. An active display size of 402 mm (H) × 300 mm (V) provides CAD/CAM, DTP, and DIP professionals with the generou.

Maximum Horizontal Scanning Frequency of 137 kHz for High ResolutionsThe F980's wide horizontal scanning frequency of 30-137 kHz allows for a recommended resolution of 1600 × 1200 at a maximum refresh rate of 109 Hz. For users who need to maximize the performance capabilities of the display, the monitor can attain a resolution of 2048 × 1536 at a flicker-free refresh rate of 85 Hz.

Pixel Dot Clock of 400 MHzTo assure that images are displayed with sharpness and clarity at the maximum resolution of 2048 × 1536 at 85 Hz, the F980 has an extremely high pixel dot clock of 400 MHz. As shown in the illustration below, black text on a white background is displayed in minute detail without blur or distortion.

Automatic Color Correction Function for True Color ReproductionColor Correction detects and compensates for discrepancies in video signal output levels sent from the graphics card. Therefore, disparities in video signal output level are minimized, and accurate color temperature and brightness are assured. This function also corrects output and unifies color temperature when two computers are connected to the F980, even if the graphics cards and operating syst.

Realistic Picture Display with Video Bias CircuitryThe new video bias circuitry minimizes color changes due to variations in brightness and the variation of the displayed image pattern (i.e. between white pattern image and black pattern image). As illustrated in the graph below, even with fluctuations from 0% - 100% in brightness, the circuitry displays stable and accurate color tints at the color coordinate level. In addition, minimization of cr.

Digital Convergence Circuitry for Screen Uniformity
EIZO's Digital Convergence circuitry digitally eliminates convergence errors through the adjustment of up to 256 squares over the entire screen for precise images, even in the corners.




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May 3, 2002 11:06:33 AM

I just got a dp2060u and it has great geometry and razor sharp text corner to corner sharpness at 1600X1200. It's brightness/contrast is a litter weaker than a Sony and just ever so slightly curved (only freaks will notice). I had a e540 which is one below g520, and it had worse geometry which could not be corrected. At 1600X1200 (recommended)the text was slightly blurry even at large font. Vertical convergence was not uniform and could not be adjusted. It had faint white shadows to the right of all vertical lines. It had poor purity which could not be corrected. I could have been defective. Even so, I have another 17" sony (cpd e200) that also shows faint white shadows that I didn't really noticed except when I got my dp2060 which absolutely no shadows. This leads me believe this ghosting is common in Sony monitors. Actually, the ghosting "sharpens" text when looked at distance, but becomes annoying close up.

Overall I like Sony's slightly flatter screen and brightness, but poor quality control or bad luck on my part pushed me to mitsubishi. The dp2060u's 2nd place displaymate best aperture grille monitor award next to 1st place (and sinfully pricey)gdm f520 also helped me make the decision. The g520 did not win though it is of comparable price and even slighlty better refresh than the dp2060u.

Yes, it isn't a fair comparison at all. The dp2060u is the g520's proper rival.

Quality is better than name brand, even regarding beloved AMD.
May 3, 2002 11:21:21 AM

I have tried both tubes and similar models. See my earliest reply. The trinitron has a perfectly flat image and wonderfully bright and contrasty image. The diamontron is everso slightly curved horizontally (that's why it's called an Natural Flat I guess). Besides the "defect" like traits of the sony's I've owned, the trinitron is better. The dp2060u I own is absolutely perfect in text sharpness and uniformity of everything (geometry, purity, convergence, etc.). It's still a hard choice and I own both tube types! I'll probably try Sony once more in the future due to it's potential. Hopefully it will be an improved gdm fw900!

Quality is better than name brand, even regarding beloved AMD.
May 5, 2002 8:48:41 AM

I was commenting on skane about comparing g520 to the dp2060u instead of the 2020, not entering a comment about sony vs. iyama. I have no basis as I've never seen a iyama.

With that said...

Why do you think Iyama is better than mitsu? Please explain. I can point you to displaymate technologies which chose the sony gdm f520 and mitsu dp2060u as the best aperature grille models. Cornerstone even won for the second best shadow mask next to eizo f980. Iyama did not win an award. Displaymate is the industry standard in video diagnostics. They measure monitor performance objectively. From what I read on webstites (admittedly too few review monitors), many talk about high end sony vs mitsubishi (not the nec monitors, everyone hates these), not iyama. Iyama is touted as good value, good performance and good cost.

http://displaymate.com/best.html#crt

I can only say the sony's I've seen next to mitsu beat it in brightness/contrast and flatter screen. The mitsubishi won in text crispness.

You should explain or point to some reviews to make your choices more convincing. I'm talking about the large screen high end models.

Quality is better than name brand, even regarding beloved AMD.
May 5, 2002 8:44:57 PM

ok then, some explanations/comments :

<A HREF="http://www.iiyama.com/monitor2/MONITOR-b.HTM" target="_new">http://www.iiyama.com/monitor2/MONITOR-b.HTM&lt;/A>

<A HREF="http://www.iiyama.com/product2/MA201D.HTM" target="_new">http://www.iiyama.com/product2/MA201D.HTM&lt;/A>
<A HREF="http://www.iiyama.com/product2/HA202DT.HTM" target="_new">http://www.iiyama.com/product2/HA202DT.HTM&lt;/A>
<A HREF="http://www.iiyama.com/product2/A902MT.HTM" target="_new">http://www.iiyama.com/product2/A902MT.HTM&lt;/A>
<A HREF="http://www.iiyama.com/product2/HM903DT.HTM" target="_new">http://www.iiyama.com/product2/HM903DT.HTM&lt;/A>

<A HREF="http://www.iiyama.com/market/market.htm" target="_new">http://www.iiyama.com/market/market.htm&lt;/A>

& as i said it before, best performances & best quality than mitsubishi monitors.

IMO,
mitsubishi monitors are IIyama monitors clones with under performances & limited quality.
IIyama monitors (since 1981) existed before mitsubishi ones which is a rather new diamondtron monitor brand & moreover, they have had to associate them to Nec to create a "collaborated" monitors involving a weird new brand alliance NEC/Mitsubishi (together linked).

have a look to their site <A HREF="http://www.necmitsubishi.com/products/index.cfm" target="_new">http://www.necmitsubishi.com/products/index.cfm&lt;/A>

btw, do you want some awards?
<A HREF="http://www.si87.com/Products/Monitors/monitors.html" target="_new">http://www.si87.com/Products/Monitors/monitors.html&lt;/A>
<A HREF="http://www.erimex.ru/direct/computer/iiyama/awards.htm" target="_new">http://www.erimex.ru/direct/computer/iiyama/awards.htm&...;/A>
<A HREF="http://www.iiyama.com/contactus/press3.htm" target="_new">http://www.iiyama.com/contactus/press3.htm&lt;/A>
<A HREF="http://www.panrix.com/html/componentsProduct.asp?compon..." target="_new">http://www.panrix.com/html/componentsProduct.asp?compon...;/A>
<A HREF="http://www.anywebpcs.com/partners/iiyama.htm" target="_new">http://www.anywebpcs.com/partners/iiyama.htm&lt;/A>
<A HREF="http://www.epinions.com/cmhd-Monitors-All-Iiyama_Vision..." target="_new">http://www.epinions.com/cmhd-Monitors-All-Iiyama_Vision...;/A>
<A HREF="http://www.epinions.com/cmhd-Monitors-All-Iiyama_Vision..." target="_new">http://www.epinions.com/cmhd-Monitors-All-Iiyama_Vision...;/A>
etc...


what do you think about?

<i>note
you can also compare the specs between iiyama & mitsubishi monitors. this could help as well to improve the monitor image quality.</i>

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May 6, 2002 8:23:02 AM

The 511 won "best buy", not best image. Did you see the displaymate site? I can't really comment on the overall quality of all models, but rather for the dp2060u in particular. What say you about the validity of objective diagnostics irreverant of cost? Are you associated with iyama?

Displaymate is an industry standard diagnostic. One major pc site (zdnet, pcmag... i forget) listed the dp2060u as excellent across the board among all monitors, but did not give it best buy becuase it was too pricey. Best buy is best performance/cost ratio. Best is just best performance.

Quality is better than name brand, even regarding beloved AMD.
May 6, 2002 9:14:50 AM

wachi...wacha... but no links to consolidate anything. ll
are you a mitsubishi's shareholder?


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May 6, 2002 9:21:33 AM

Best buy for iyama 511... top honors for dp2060 at pcworld.com.

http://www.neoseeker.com/resourcelink.html?rlid=37456

versus

http://pcworld.com/reviews/article/0,aid,58265,pg,2,00....

The dates of review are different. Use the g520 as reference and you'll see its good/good score is the same for both reviews. So, even if the iyama review is more recent, it still stands on equal footing with the older dp2060u review. Even though links are different, the reviewing site (pcworld) is the same, just used "neoseeker" to find the review.

oldbag, if you look at the review in depth, you'll see that d92060u achieved excellent/excellent. BTW, the price has significantly dropped from $999.

A sword should be held at the handle...






Quality is better than name brand, even regarding beloved AMD.
May 6, 2002 9:35:26 AM

no not affliated. don't care. i'd consider iyama if i hadn't research myself. if anything sony gdm f520 supreme. quality links not quantity. not lists of nothign more than specs or link of commercial sites selling only iyama.

for all who looking for review check out the links in my previous reply and displaymate.com under best hardware. these are the most objective i've found so far. thg should soon do a 21"-22" shootout to add.

Quality is better than name brand, even regarding beloved AMD.
May 6, 2002 10:14:39 AM

wachi...wacha... but
you dont know at all what you are talking about.

the constructor of IIyama Diamondtron CRT (just the cathode ray tube but not the entire monitor) is MITSUBISHI.

yes, in IIyama monitors you have a Mitsubishi Diamondtron CRT. roflMAO.


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May 6, 2002 7:33:10 PM

so what else is new. i already new that, but it's irrelevant. identical tubes don't mean identical image.

have a reply to the pcworld review? come on, comment on that, don't retort with digressions. do you now point this tube commonality out to redeem iyama?

remember were all in this together trying to help each other with the tidbits of reviews out there, not vicariously battle.

all i have is my eyes and other's reviews. i show what i find, now show yours. oh yeah... you did, but it was really mine... ;>


Quality is better than name brand, even regarding beloved AMD.
May 6, 2002 7:59:19 PM

Quote:
so what else is new. i already new that, but it's irrelevant. identical tubes don't mean identical image.

yes but identical tubes plus better electronics & better performances involves obviously a better image. this is why IIyama is slightly above than mitsubishi (besides this also involving a slighty increase of the monitor price). :) 


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May 6, 2002 8:11:17 PM

dude, you evade. no shame just info.

Quality is better than name brand, even regarding beloved AMD.
May 6, 2002 8:21:59 PM

<<yes but identical tubes plus better electronics & better performances involves obviously a better image. this is why IIyama is slightly above than mitsubishi (besides this also involving a slighty increase of the monitor price). :) >>

"better" parts/tech = better image is not necessarily true. better is defined by image output, not new tech. increased output defines better tech, dontcha think? new is not necessarily better.

anyways, you still still deny and won't acknowledge the review I submitted. that's contradictory, as you thought it so compelling in the first. it's kinda sad. you hold on so tight.

Quality is better than name brand, even regarding beloved AMD.
May 6, 2002 8:22:19 PM

ll. from what?!?


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May 6, 2002 8:45:06 PM

i saw in your review one award for one monitor of the mitsubishi brand & must i draw a conclusion about mitsubishi monitors against the other monitor brands?
i think, this time, you are really irrelevant on this point, arent you?


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May 6, 2002 9:01:14 PM

... Do you remember I was only talking about the dp2060u, not the whole line? There are two solid review sites for this ONE product, one of which derived from you. you're reviews listed are from commercial sites selling all different manner of iyama models, not one example. again, a good portion of links were simply specs.

I can't and will not comment on iyama as a whole, just the dp2060u versus a comparable iyama. unfortunately the 512 (newest?) hasn't a review i've found.

do u see now? remember O-N-E M-O-D-E-L. I don't care about name brands. I evaluate each one model. name brands help steer me right (sometimes), then I magnify. see see?

you tire me with frantic diversion.

Quality is better than name brand, even regarding beloved AMD.
May 7, 2002 5:32:45 AM

remember just info.

I saw that pcpro.co.uk rates iyamas well, as they do mitsubishi's. the gripe they have with mitsu's is their strange control system and lofty price (ie. dp2040u), otherwise they tend to be flawless. they also emphasize iyama's price as very cheap.

dp900nf got the a-list. others got great reviews. the image was always sharp. some problems they found were some moire and geometry (dp2040). Well, it seems mitsu as a whole is quite good, which makes sense the birth of one exceptional, the dp2060u (i read it's a dp2040 without bnc and other costlier amenities. I also read the dp2040 is dp2020 with extra features).

the 512 got the a-list for it's lowprice, though it had some convergence issues and ghosting. BTW they use displaymate for evaluating. again they favor the value of iyama, which is exceptional.

you need to register to view the reviews at pcpro.co.uk. they seem objective enough.

you should thank me for finding you some cud to chew.



Quality is better than name brand, even regarding beloved AMD.
May 8, 2002 3:27:30 PM

just FYI. :) 

<A HREF="http://www.monsieurprix.com/hardware/gen/140010.html" target="_new">iiyama vs mitsubishi</A>

moreover, on each monitor, you can find some comments from the monitor's buyers.
& yes, this can be a non expert point of view but i dont think so for so much buyers of.


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May 8, 2002 4:12:57 PM

iiyama vs mitsubishi.

<A HREF="http://www.pcpro.co.uk/labdog99/printreview.php3?id=370..." target="_new">a pretty link</A>, isnt it?


& try also from the homepage of the site:
A-LIST/a-list categories/monitors & graphics/21inch monitor which conducts to <A HREF="http://www.pcpro.co.uk/labdog99/printreview_v3-1.php3?i..." target="_new">this link</A>.



<i>thanks to feed me a little... ;) </i> ll


<i>if <b>you know</b> <font color=white>you don't know<font color=black>, the way could be more easy ...<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Labdog on 05/08/02 12:16 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
May 8, 2002 9:17:41 PM

I know...

YOU should read CAREFULLY. The 512 had slight ghosting.

some excerpts, read the whole reviews at your own leisure.

iiyama512
<<You can also run the Iiyama at 1,600 x 1,200 at 100Hz, which is easily large enough to retain a sufficient sharp focus for everyday work, although there was a slight amount of ghosting at a closer glance.

Verdict: A more than worthy successor to the 510, with great image quality and all the features at a reasonable price.>>


iiyama510:
<<Despite passing most of the back-breaking DisplayMate tests, it failed the horizontal wedge test.And even though the Pro 510 boasts a Natural Flat screen, its geometry wasn't perfect.


Verdict: A high-quality image, super-flat screen and competitive asking price win Iiyama its second award of the year.>>

mitsu dp2040u:
<<Diamondtron Natural Flat tube reflected very little, and the picture quality was well focused with no streaking or ghosting.

However, the 20in viewable screen area makes it quite usable at 1,600 x 1,200 at 85Hz, where it retains the clear focus of lower resolutions with a clear picture and solid display - great for detailed graphics and DTP work, and making high-resolution games a reality.

Verdict: The 2040u has a clear and stable picture and some impressive specifications, but is let down by limited controls>>

mitsu dp2020u:
<<The sheer quality of this monitor at drawing straight lines and maintaining focus all over the screen has to be seen to be believed.

Verdict: Stunning image quality and a super-flat screen. A deserving Quality award winner.>>

dp2060u:
not listed :( 

BASIC THEME: iiyama=exceptional value, mitsu=superior performance

If you read between the lines (read all the reviews for both brands), the tone is positive bias for the underdog iiyama due to price. they always mention its price and near perfection. for the mitsu's, they can only point to poor controls. The image is a given for the mitsu (they set the standard along with sony) they also mention geometry issues and some moire for one or two, but mine doesn't show this. iiyama also has some geometry and ghosting issues on some models.

if you use pcpro, then you must also logically consider the displaymate awards since the displaymate test is what they use. iiyama didn't make the displaymate cut.

for me, the displaymate's award, plus pcpro (2020 and 2040 are the virtually the same except for controls and extra features), plus pcworld, plus mitsu reputation, and plus my own eyes makes for convincing argument for the dp2060u.

you probably won't be dissappointed with iiyama, but that's not the point. in fact, i'd like to hear about it if you get one (with a grain of salt). it's your obstinate and frantic ferver for iiyama that's entertaining and exasperating simultaneously.

P.S. I've read a bad review on the 512 on cnet or something, I haven't found a bad review for the dp2060u except for one "user reviews". the 511 wasn't steller on pcworld either. iiyama 512 is about the same price as dp2060u (at least in usa).

pick well.


Quality is better than name brand, even regarding beloved AMD.
May 8, 2002 9:39:03 PM

numbers = expert??

numbers may represent satisfaction and satisfaction may represent quality, is what you mean... right? The fact is satisfaction represents perceived quality. depending on people (not every one is a graphics pro), you'll get different levels of acceptability. Also, higher price = less buyers. most don't obsess about monitors. it's usually a graphics pros. look for content in the reviews. words accurately describing the image aspects is what you want, not phrases like "I like it a lot" or "it's awesome".

btw, the link isn't in english.

Quality is better than name brand, even regarding beloved AMD.
May 8, 2002 10:44:30 PM

just look at the top 20 monitors from <A HREF="http://www.monsieurprix.com/hardware/gen/140010.html" target="_new">here</A>.

1°: iiyama 17" - LS702UT
2°: iiyama 19" - LS902UT
3°: IIyama 19" - HM903DT
4°: iiyama 22" - HA202DT
.
6°: Mitsubishi 19" - Diamond Pro 920
7°: Mitsubishi 17" - Diamond Pro 740
.
.
.
18°: Mitsubishi 22" - Diamond Plus 220


& please man, stop to try to insinuate that people are all completely nuts without thinking especially for buy 21-22 inch monitors. they are generally used by informatics professionals. (Computer Aided Publishing, CA Conception, CA Design, 3D synthesis, 3D scanning, Developers, Analysts, ...). ll


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May 9, 2002 12:28:52 AM

i think simply that to argue in favor or against an hardware (which is not based uniquely on specs but a long further), which is moreover especially eyed flavor (which is somehow a subjective concept), we must have the hardware for a long, to speak about.

one professionnal review can tell you that this hardware is the best hardware we have never created.
then, after buying it, a month or a quarter later, you can tell yourself:

ouch, its not good for watching DVD or its not good for picture modification or for games or for office, ...

this is a problem with this kind of hardware.
in fact to choice a professionnal 21/22 inch monitor with an accurate point of view, you shoud have the right to test it at least for 1 month before... but for now you couldnt (whereas more its price is rather important). :( 

you speak for example of ghosting for the iiyama but this is a slight ghosting effect. what does that means?
- we cant see nothing on the screen when we are too near of?
- we can notice it slightly at the beggining, just the time to accustom to it?
- the ghosting is uniquely relevant for some few precise uses?
- the ghosting is relevant just for some people which are especially receptive of?
- the ghosting is simply a too slightly defect that the majority of people dont see anything annoying?
...

its just my opinion about...

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May 9, 2002 1:12:41 AM

popularity = quality?? go to pricegrabber.com and you'll see the samsung is # quality!!

another E=mc2!

look man. The iyama aint' bad, but it's more targeted to the value buyer, though nonetheless impressive.

stop your fantasy that i have something against iiyama. based on thg i'd really consider a 454. but i haven't seen compelling reviews for the 512 or the 511 (22"), that's why I have the dp2060u. In the USA it's price is comparable to the 512. you should consider it, not because of what I say but because of some compelling reviews, unless you have better reasons of which you are entitled. really, it's that simple and boring, not the bombast you make of it.

I don't know what you're saying about my insinuations of people being nuts for buying 22" monitors. no such thing. you misunderstand.





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May 9, 2002 1:41:13 AM

Good image quality (accurate colors, brightness/contrast, focus,etc.)= good dvd, graphics,games, office, everthing.

of course long term testing is good, too bad we can't (restocking fees). we do the next best thing.

as for ghosting. I am very picky. why get a ghosting monitor when I can buy another without it for the same price? why get used to it? why ask why when i don't have to?

I'm not talking about practical consequence for others, just for me.

<<the ghosting is uniquely relevant for some few precise uses?>>

Joking right?? please say yes.

<<the ghosting is simply a too slightly defect that the majority of people dont see anything annoying?>>

Yes!! but not me. ignorance is bliss, i have not bliss.

i've had a dp2060u for a few weeks. I can't complain. everthing I read in the reviews are true.


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May 9, 2002 8:59:51 AM

hmm.., well, right.

i'll give you some cud to chew as well:
have a look on this <A HREF="http://www.presence-pc.com/hardware/tests/moniteur/iiya..." target="_new">IIyama Vision Master Pro 22" monitor review</A>. :) 

but however, i would like to point out it is not a IIyama 512 monitor review.


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May 10, 2002 5:49:34 AM

The review isn't in english...

I already know Iiyama produces some exceptional value monitors, what's there more to say that hasn't been said?

Here's an excerpt from THG to remind you:

"Iiyama is a manufacturer known for the quality/ price ratio of its products, but it has been known to fall short in quality."

With that said, THG recommended Iiyama:

"But three of them stand out. The Iiayama Vision Master Pro 454 turned out to be a really pleasant surprise, with outstanding image quality and stability. We are accustomed to this manufacturer providing an attractive quality/ price ratio, but sometimes to the detriment of quality. With the Vision Master Pro 454, they have combined a cost advantage with an intelligent adaptation of the Diamontron High Brightness tube. Right along side it is the ViewSonic P95f, at the same price and with the same outstanding image quality and stability. The third member of this group is the highly efficient Eizo T675, which has very few failings and stands out by the ergonomics of its settings, even though its high price is a bit sinful."

Iiyama, it seems has never been creme de la creme, but milk for the masses, though 454 deviated from that norm.


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May 10, 2002 8:19:16 AM

<<A Sharper Image

Whether you're crunching numbers or laying out pages in QuarkXPress, you want text and other items to appear sharp. Displayed information is always sharper in the middle of the screen and tends to get blurrier toward the edges, so our experts examined a Microsoft Excel 98 worksheet that contained normal and reversed text both in the middle and at the edges.

Overall, we found all the monitors to offer acceptable sharpness, but a few stood out as exceptional. The $1,499 Apple Studio Display with ColorSync displayed crisp text across the entire screen. The $1,499 Mitsubishi Diamond Pro 2020u also scored high for uniform sharpness. The $1,900 Sony GDM-F500 did very well with normal text, although it showed somewhat fuzzy reversed text.

On the low end of acceptable, Eizo's $1,399 FlexScan T960 and Mitsubishi's $1,349 Diamond Pro 1000e and $1,499 Diamond Pro 1010e had problems displaying reversed text, but not enough to render it illegible. The jury did find some monitors' sharpness unacceptable, however. Panasonic's $999 PanaSync E110 showed blurry, hard-to-read text, especially at the edges of the screen. ViewSonic's $1,149 MB110 also suffered from overly blurry text.

When we tested the monitors at a higher resolution–1,600 by 1,200–iiyama's $1,239 VisionMaster 502, Sony's $1,049 CPD-520GS, and ViewSonic's MB110 were the only monitors that displayed unacceptably fuzzy and unreadable text. At this resolution, Princeton's $999 Princeton EO2010 showed blurry reversed type, but not to an extent that the jury found unacceptable. One note: Eizo's $1,399 FlexScan FX-E7S documentation recommends using a maximum resolution of 1,280 by 1,024 with this monitor. However, we found that the monitor's quality did not suffer when resolution was set to 1,600 by 1,200.>>

from
http://www.macworld.com/1999/06/features/thinkbig.html


Quality is better than name brand, even regarding beloved AMD.
May 10, 2002 8:20:51 AM

Display
WINNER: We were blown away by the image quality, features, and price of Mitsubishi Electronics America's Diamond Pro 900u ($799; 714/220-2500, http://www.mitsubishi-display.com). With dual USB and video inputs, the 900u is the perfect monitor for a dual-computer setup. You can transfer your monitor (and all USB peripherals, if you've got a USB card or a new USB-capable Mac) from one computer to the other just by pressing a single button on the front of the 900u. But the key to this monitor is its screen: Mitsubishi's new 19-inch, DiamondTron NF (Natural Flat) tube offers impressive image quality and reduced glare.

http://www.macworld.com/1999/03/features/eddys.html

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May 11, 2002 1:10:29 AM

how much are you paid for selling mitsubishi or maybe also nec monitors?
maybe with a commission, what is its percentage?

lol


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May 11, 2002 1:23:33 AM

what the review from this link point out is:

that you can during the buying, but not frequently, fall on a faulty monitor which you have then to replace by another new one.

but is it not true for many brands? im wondering about...


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May 11, 2002 1:38:16 AM

review date: 1999/06: obsolete.


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May 11, 2002 1:39:34 AM

review date: 1999/06: obsolete..


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