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September 15, 2006 8:35:25 PM

I am building a 2K rig, everythin included, monitor, speakers.

My stats: E6600, VX922 viewsonic 19", 2GB corsair DDR2 800, Asus P5B Deluxe.

I want to choose among the X1900 XT 512 MB, X1900 XT 256 MB, and the 7900 GT 256MB. Respective Prices, 298$, 240$, 265$.

Which one can offer me competent performance on my monitor, a gaming 19" 1280 X 1024? I want almost everything on high in most games, including HDR and AA (2x or 4X).

Going to be playing Oblivion, FEAR, Quake 4, BF2, Far Cry, UT 04, COD2, HL2, and etc.

I will be having this card for roughly 10-12 months, than upgrading to a DX10 Card.

TX in advance :lol: 

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September 15, 2006 8:37:22 PM

X1900XTs are better than 7900GTs, out of those three, I wouldn't even consider the 7900GT.

I would probably go for the 512mb version.
September 15, 2006 8:54:32 PM

I would suggest the 7950GT... just a bit more than the X1900XT and while performance is similar, offers better cooling and more features...

However, don't expect to run many things on high, you might be able to pull off medium in Oblivion, and maybe sorta high on FEAR... and its just going to get worse...
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a b U Graphics card
September 15, 2006 9:02:10 PM

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I would suggest the 7950GT... just a bit more than the X1900XT and while performance is similar, offers better cooling and more features...

Better check some reviews. The X1900XT's are easily better performers than the 7950GT for equal or less money. Plus they offer better IQ at driver defaults and FSAA+OpenEXR HDR at once.

Read and check out all the games in these two 7950 reviews. The X1900XT simply has more power in the high eye candy settings.

http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/nvidia_geforce_7950...

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2833&p=4
a b U Graphics card
September 15, 2006 9:06:31 PM

I'd choose a X1900XT , preferably the 512MB version. 256MB version is great for $240 not quite as good performance though. You may find the XTX version priced down near $300 or below after rebate. You'll appreciate the power for Oblivion, as well as the ability to do both HDR and fsaa at the same time.
September 15, 2006 9:13:43 PM

I'd also buy a X1900XT if this is going to be the only video card that you are using.
September 15, 2006 9:21:25 PM

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offers better cooling and more features...

Doesn't really have more features because it can't HDR while AA...
September 15, 2006 9:24:53 PM

256MB X1900XT, FTW.
September 15, 2006 9:27:32 PM

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I am building a 2K rig, everythin included, monitor, speakers.

My stats: E6600, VX922 viewsonic 19", 2GB corsair DDR2 800, Asus P5B Deluxe.

I want to choose among the X1900 XT 512 MB, X1900 XT 256 MB, and the 7900 GT 256MB. Respective Prices, 298$, 240$, 265$.

Which one can offer me competent performance on my monitor, a gaming 19" 1280 X 1024? I want almost everything on high in most games, including HDR and AA (2x or 4X).

Going to be playing Oblivion, FEAR, Quake 4, BF2, Far Cry, UT 04, COD2, HL2, and etc.

I will be having this card for roughly 10-12 months, than upgrading to a DX10 Card.

TX in advance :lol: 


I have the VX922 and I think that is an excellent choice for your monitor!
a b U Graphics card
September 15, 2006 9:34:05 PM

Hi DeusEx,
I get good performance from this vidcard but not the 'king o the world' power I guess I was expecting...
There might be something to this dual-vidcard stuff after all, heheh :^)
But for a competitive one-slot rig you will need an X1900XT 512MB (at least).
If I played Oblivion I would need X1900XTX (and possibly an E6600 too) but I'm okay, I am a 1024x768 kinda guy.
Hey - played any DeusEx lately? I have it here somewhere...
But seriously, I paid big $$ for my ATI and then prices dropped like a rock in the last month - so you should get something good, you're not paying that much. Those prices seem very good. I musta paid ~$60 bucks (Canadian) - and that was just taxes! LoL
Regards
September 15, 2006 10:20:05 PM

Hey guys - I was just surfing around in Newegg, and I found this:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1682...

for only like 30$ more than the VX922...so what are the GPU opinions for a monitor like this?

(1600 X 1200)

BTW to say again I am going to get a DX10 card in roughly 10-14 months.
September 15, 2006 11:23:41 PM

X1900XT no doubt.
September 15, 2006 11:56:54 PM

Quote:
Hey guys - I was just surfing around in Newegg, and I found this:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1682...

for only like 30$ more than the VX922...so what are the GPU opinions for a monitor like this?

(1600 X 1200)

BTW to say again I am going to get a DX10 card in roughly 10-14 months.


That looks like a pretty sweet monitor...
September 16, 2006 12:26:09 AM

Hell i go for the sapphire X1900XT that been posted at talked about only 200 bucks though its the 256mb for 200 bucks i wouldnt complain.
September 16, 2006 12:44:39 AM

Quote:
Hey guys - I was just surfing around in Newegg, and I found this:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1682...

for only like 30$ more than the VX922...so what are the GPU opinions for a monitor like this?

(1600 X 1200)

BTW to say again I am going to get a DX10 card in roughly 10-14 months.


That monitor is awesome man. I have the exact same one. Defintely a great gaming monitor. 5ms Response time. Great pixel ratio. Max resolution is 1600x1200. Its a great buy. Highly recommending it. That Vx922 is still a contender though.
September 16, 2006 1:18:30 AM

I was wondering what the Graphic card choices could be for this monitor - narrowed it donw now to X1900XT 512, X1900XT 256, and X1900 XTX 512 MB. The XTX might be a little expensive, and also physically big, so down to the 2 XTs...

Any suggestions?


And bout those monitors....why is the vx922 a contender?...2ms rt?
a b U Graphics card
September 16, 2006 4:03:22 AM

When you get the 256MB you'll be wishing you had got the 512MB...
You would gladly spend $30 if you could add that memory onto a vidcard you already owned, right? But you can't.
Hey that's an amazing price, they want $500 bucks for that monitor in Canada. I dunno about the mail-in rebate stuff but that price is reasonable.
L8R
a b U Graphics card
September 16, 2006 10:42:25 PM

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either the X1900 XT or X1900 XTX...

I got the XT because I figured memory bandwidth wasn't a problem. The XTX with its higher clock is kinda overkill - I mean what's the difference whether you have 46.4 or 49.6 GB/s memory?
The vast majority of that huge bandwidth is because of the platform, the 256-bit memory with DDR3 clocking.
Now, the increase in the core clockspeed from 625MHz to 650MHz is more substantial, more attractive - but it's only a ~4% increase. The price difference was more than 4%, for me it was an extra 12% in cost.
I figured I would be okay with the XT... but if you could get an XTX for less than 10% more, then that would be tempting :^)
Nice monitor though...
L8R
September 16, 2006 11:31:07 PM

Remember :lol:  , I'm going a single card, and I am going to change to DX10 in a year -14 months' time, so plenty time to game with this GPU.
September 17, 2006 5:58:32 AM

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However, don't expect to run many things on high, you might be able to pull off medium in Oblivion, and maybe sorta high on FEAR... and its just going to get worse...



He should have no prob maxing them out with the 7950. I can with my 3200+ and 7800gt so he won't have any prob witha c2d :X Just as an example I fired up FEAR and ran the benchmark with these settings:

Everything on max
No softshadows
no AA
16xAF
12x9 res
v1.0

I got 56 avg FPS with this rig:
2.7ghz 3200+ venice
2x1gb ddr400 3436
7800gt 256mb 450/1050 (91.47 drivers)
DFI lp ut sli-dr
There was only a few places in the game that lagged, the biggest part was the water treatment plant or wtfever it was. There were tons of stairs and rails that were casting shadows wich stole my FPS.
September 17, 2006 6:08:44 AM

A 7800GT couldnt play FEAR @ max settings if you got out and pushed n00b :roll:
September 17, 2006 6:29:19 AM

Lol... Maybe my 7800gt is special, I got a way higher score than Toms did with their previous VGA chart. Although they were running the later version of the game. Maybe that's why. Plz note I said NO SOFTSHADOWS NO AA.

Anyways... What score did *you* get? Or are you basing it on Tom's benchmark? I have a Leadtek WinFast 7800GT TDH extreme.
September 17, 2006 7:55:11 AM

I've read a few of your posts tonight, and just about all of it was pure B.S.

Do us a favor and go post on some other forum wont ya?
September 17, 2006 1:27:03 PM

get the X1900XT 256 MB .
it gives better performance than 7900GT or 7950 GT
a b U Graphics card
September 17, 2006 2:36:20 PM

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get the X1900XT 256 MB

LoL - he is deciding between 512MB X1900XT vs. X1900XTX.
Why would you suggest the new cheapo model...?
7900GT and 7950 GT having 512MB would therefore be required for consideration,
Regards
September 17, 2006 5:21:28 PM

It's like this - If the X1900 XT 256MB is a extrordinarly good deal, I might go with it.......but probably not..
September 17, 2006 5:53:17 PM

Doughbuy said:
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However, don't expect to run many things on high, you might be able to pull off medium in Oblivion, and maybe sorta high on FEAR... and its just going to get worse...


Doughbuy is on crack. I "pull off" medium in Oblivion at 1280x1024 on my 9800XT... I highly doubt that either of the cards in question would have any serious problems with the game.

Sure, one or the other may have an advantage, so I'm not saying either is just as good - just that some people are on crack when it comes to what kind of video card one needs to do certain things.
September 17, 2006 6:35:45 PM

x1900xt 512mb all the way, u wont be dissapointed
September 17, 2006 7:34:01 PM

You should get a 20" display with widescreen if possible
That 5:4 resolution 17" and 19" have sox if you ask me.
September 17, 2006 7:35:27 PM

So now narrowed down to XTX vs XT?
September 17, 2006 9:48:07 PM

The main thing is the memory size, the memory/core clock speed difference is marginal. 512mb is definately better, and some games, probably future games, might take a big hit in performance with a certain detail level if you only have a 256meg card when it needs a 512meg to run it. 512 is also beneficial in modern games at higher resolutions.

My opinion is the x1900xt 256 meg will run everything you have now with no problem, but if you have the money and aren't planning on upgrading for a year I'd say get the XTX.
September 17, 2006 9:52:57 PM

x1950xtx, or wait for dx10, nuff said
September 17, 2006 11:53:39 PM

However, don't expect to run many things on high, you might be able to pull off medium in Oblivion, and maybe sorta high on FEAR... and its just going to get worse...

I get high settings in Oblivion. I can run a fully modded oblivion at 5-15 fps.

Not the rig in my sig, a pentium d with a 7600 gt and 2 gigs 667 ocz gamer ram.
September 18, 2006 12:46:12 AM

A 7900GTX is a respectable card,but so is the 1900XT.NVIDIA also has a 7950GX2 which has double everything the 7900gt has.(2 gpu,2x512mgz ram,48 pixel shaders[instead of 24 like the 7900gt has]and can be used in SLI mode)so there you have it.with either of those cards you will be able to play all your games at max resolution and high detail.Goodluck.

Dahak

EVGA VF4 SLI MB
X2 4400+@2.4 S-939
2 7800GT'S IN SLI MODE
2X1GIG DDR400 MEMORY IN DC MODE
WD300GIG HD
520WATT PSU
EXTREME 19IN.MONITOR
3DMARK05:11,582
September 19, 2006 1:00:29 AM

IT's like this - I have a 2K budget, and around 250-ish for a GFX, and I want to upgrade to DX 10 in a year or so, not right when it comes out, but around 5-6 months after it comes out, so prices are cheaper, and I might get a 2nd gen DX10...
a b U Graphics card
September 19, 2006 1:26:29 AM

I know first hand a 7800GT can't max out Oblivion, even at 10x7. Within a few days of switching from the 6800U to 7800GT, I was ordering a X1800XT as the 7800GT barely gave a playable settings increase over the 6800U.

The 7800GT poops out in oblivion.
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/oblivion_high-end_p...
a b U Graphics card
September 19, 2006 2:27:28 PM

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The 7800GT poops out in oblivion.

Okay.
I think DeusEx is saying, he wants nice but he will not be living & dying with this card for years - he will upgrade when Vista/DX10 breaks.
Therefore X1900XT w/512MB makes most sense, not 256MB, not XTX...
There will soon be a new generation of vidcards with special features for high-definition content,
Next year this time, things will look different.
(But when can that not be said, LoL)
L8R
September 20, 2006 1:05:44 AM

Ok - final thoughts -

X1900 XTX if upgrade in July/August, 6-7months after DX10 arrival...

or

X1900XT 256MB if upgrade in May/April to DX10....



X1900Xt 512MB fits in....

three choices...
a b U Graphics card
September 22, 2006 9:04:56 PM

My rig, it gives a good 3DMark '03 score (~16000 or so).
But you know, in that Nature benchmark that shows a turtle and butterfly, my framerate drops to 40fps and below - into the mid 30's (if only briefly).
Now, this is not 3DMark '05 or '06 - this is '03 I'm talking about...
I can imagine Oblivion or some newer games they're cooking up, and Vista, will be ever more demanding!
Actually I have Vista and it's... something. The Desktop photos are 1600x1200 LoL, if that provides a hint...
So I would say that the 256MB is ruled out and you and I both need XTXs, heheh. Right? C'mon, pep-talk me!
I can get the XTX for less than I paid for my XT (grr) since the prices dropped a lot. New models coming.
Nah, no XTX for me - I will wait for those new models.
But knowing what I know now, if I was buying today I would buy the XTX for sure. Every little bit helps, even just to get you to DX10...
L8R
September 22, 2006 9:31:18 PM

X1900 XT 256mb will for damn sure be able to handle evey game out there on high detail.

Even Oblivion will be playable. For SURE.
September 22, 2006 10:30:26 PM

I agree. I don't even see the x1900GT to be having problems with FEAR on high settings.
September 22, 2006 11:41:47 PM

On high detail do you mean on normal 1280 X 1024 res, or 1600 X 1200?

-I'm going to use a 16 x 12, FYI...
September 23, 2006 12:32:15 AM

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I agree. I don't even see the x1900GT to be having problems with FEAR on high settings.

I'm playing the Extraction Point demo on medium details because it runs like ass.

I know a guy @B3D with a Conroe/X1900XTX who is dipping into the 20's in certain "rooms" on high details.
September 23, 2006 3:30:21 PM

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On high detail do you mean on normal 1280 X 1024 res
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1280x1024. You might squeeze 1600 res with some details lowered.

Oblivion is the toughest game out there though, that's why I used it as an example.

There's not another game I can think of that an X1900XT 256mb would have too much trouble running 1600 res in.
September 23, 2006 11:00:47 PM

I'll probably play Oblivion @ 1280 X 1024, but with HDR/some AA enabled, mostly everything on high...but other games, such as Quake 4, Fear, Prey, AOE III, and such at 1600 X 1200 everything high + AA/HDR (if able)...Will a X1900XT 256MB able to handle that, or even a X1900 XT 512?
a b U Graphics card
September 23, 2006 11:10:48 PM

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Will a X1900XT 256MB able to handle that, or even a X1900 XT 512?

No.
September 24, 2006 6:51:57 PM

X1900 XTX then?
September 25, 2006 12:42:18 AM

Bump?
a b U Graphics card
September 25, 2006 1:27:51 PM

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X1900 XTX then?

Yeah.
(Can't go wrong.)
...and they're not $500 bucks anymore ;^)
L8R
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