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On another post ppl were saying that the 7600 gt was the better choice, on toms vga chart it shows x850xt is higher than the 7600 gt. on tigerdirect.com the 7600 gt is less expensive and a few of them show more core speed and mem speed, so which really is better of the two.

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They both trade blows in benchmarks. The X850XT is highend last generation, and the 7600GT is midrange new generation. The X850XT has a bit more raw power (16 pipes, 256bit interface), but they both perform similar. The 7600GT is a better buy because it's a bit cheaper, and has sm 3.0.

Reply to kaotao

If you're the type of guy who keeps it's VPU for at least 2 years before upgrading, I'd go with the 7600GT only for it's ShaderModel 3.0 support.

Right now it isn't much of a problem, but it'll be... especially when Dx10 come out. Starting then most game will at least use SM3.0 (X850XT is only SM2.0) or show great performances advantage when doing it... and that should be approximatly mid-2007.

Just in case you think I'm an NVidia fanboy... think again. Check below and you'll realize that I personally own an ATI VPU.

On the other hand, like kaotao said before, new generation mid-range is usually slightly surpass by the previous generation high-end. It might change but that's usually the case. So in today's game, the X850XT should perform slightly better, but it's a game by game thing to check. It depend what type of game you play.

For me it's a think long term decision, so I'd take the 7600GT...

Reply to NightlySputnik
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I'm currently running an X800XL. I wasn't patient enough to wait for the 7600GT AGP. Still happy though, my X800XL $119 vs +-$175 7600GT.

Reply to kaotao

I see some 7600 gt's on tigerdirect.com that have higher core and mem speeds and 256 bit bus and 12 pipes etc would they be much faster than the x850xt it should be.

Reply to rampage52
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Here's an in depth review comparing the two! ;)

http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/0 [...] _showdown/

Reply to Cleeve
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Can you provide a link? I've never heard of a 7600GT with a 256bit interface. Are you sure it didn't just have 256MB RAM?

Reply to kaotao
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That's a typo.

No 7600's come with a 256-bit bus.

Reply to Cleeve
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That's a typo.

No 7600's come with a 256-bit bus.



That's what I thought. It'd be nice though.

Reply to kaotao

Was a typo, even so would it be comparable or better with the higher clock speeds

Reply to rampage52
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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814102688

That's what I have... it's kinda loud but the performance is unbeatable for that price. I can run anything out today at fairly high settings at 1680x1050 without much of a hiccup.

But if you do have to stick with one vid card for a few years, than definitely get the 7600GT instead. No doubt more games will start to use SM3.0 this coming year.

Reply to Vinny

Is this a purchase for a PCIe or an AGP slot?

If you're buying for an AGP system then go for the 7600, it's a shader model 3 card which means that you'll enjoy the new parts of Half Life 2 and Far Cry more because of better HDR support. The card should be quieter, cooler and use quite a bit less power than the x850.

If you're buying for a PCIe system then please consider nVidia's new 7900GS card. It's roughly the same price now as 7600s were when they emerged and will give you very nice performance as stock. There's a review of it on THG.

Before you buy any of these graphics cards, make sure your PSU can hack a powerful card - 450W minimum. Check this before you blow your current PSU and possibly your motherboard too!

Reply to AndyAldrich
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it's a shader model 3 card which means that you'll enjoy the new parts of Half Life 2... because of better HDR support.



Half Life 2 HDR only requires Shader Model 2.0. It has no support for SM 3.0.

Even Half Life 2: Aftermath will look the same on a 7600 or X800.

Reply to Cleeve

which of the two is better 7900 gs ko with 20 pixel pipes or a x1900gt, vga guide does not compare the 7900 gs ko by evga. 7900 gs ko looks by specs to be better?

Reply to rampage52
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The stock X1900 GT smokes the stock 7900 GS... overclocked it's hard to say, especially since the X1900 GT has alot of overclocking headroom.

But the X1900 XT 256mb smokes them both for $240 on Newegg, it's worth it to spend a couple extra bucks and get it:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814102051

Reply to Cleeve

the x1900 xt is 499 canadian wonder why such a difference, the 7900 gs ko show better specs than the x1900 gt stock? the 7900 gs ko has 20 pipes and the x1900 gt has 12 pipes ?

Reply to rampage52

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the x1900 xt is 499 canadian wonder why such a difference, the 7900 gs ko show better specs than the x1900 gt stock? the 7900 gs ko has 20 pipes and the x1900 gt has 12 pies ?



And the X1900GT has 36 pixel shaders.

Reply to angry_ducky

ok how does that compare to 20 pipes instead of 12 and wha tdoes the 7900 have for pixel shader.

Reply to rampage52
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The 7900 Has 20 pixel shaders and 20 TMUs... 20 piplines.

The X1900 has 36 pixel shaders and 12 TMUs.... neither 12 nor 36 pipelines, somewhere in between.

Newer games can be limited by shader performance, and the X1900 has the advantage there.

Reply to Cleeve
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Here's a review at firingsquad showing the overclocked 7900 GS KO isn't even as good as a run-of-the-mill X1900 GT:

http://www.firingsquad.com/hardwar [...] /page5.asp

Reply to Cleeve

whats better for a card pixel shader or pipes/rop

Reply to rampage52
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Different hardware for different applications.

A 'pipeline' is a TMU attached to a pixel shader.
A pixel shader processes pixel effects; TMU's are are used to texture pixels; ROP's rasterize the output.

ROPs aren't that important anymore. You want to know how many Pixel Shaders and how many TMUs, those are the most important metrics.

But at the end of the day, just check the benchmarks dude... the X1900 GT beats the 7900 GS almost every time.

As far as the 7600 GT/X850 XT, they're pretty much even.

Reply to Cleeve

i dont know really which one is better, im gonna find out because i just boguht the 7600gt and my bro just bought an x850xt 9when i say just i mean last week).. but i dont have it yet (my bro is in the states and im in chile.. like 10,000 miles away), i guess i'll find out, i bought the BFG 7600gt for $115 on newegg.com (after rebate)

Reply to ninjaquick

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I see some 7600 gt's on tigerdirect.com that have higher core and mem speeds and 256 bit bus and 12 pipes etc would they be much faster than the x850xt it should be.



Not exactly on today's game, because the X850XT has 16 pipeline vs 12. Overall these VPU will be about equal in performance overall on a 20 games test.

Like I said, maybe you shoul have longer term purchased in mind and get the 7600 anyway.

Reply to NightlySputnik

I'm inclined to agree that right now the 7600GT is the card to go for. It'll use less power than any of the other cards advised as it doesn't require PCI-e power connections directly from the PSU, it'll suffice itself with what it gets from your mobo. Hopefully this should make your PSU live a little longer.

The 7900GS is about the same price as the x1900GT. The x1900GT is a better card than the 7900GS, so I take back my earlier advice and, if you're willing to spend a little extra, I advise a card based on this chipset.

If you can spend a little extra then go for an x1900XT which has 48 pipelines instead of 36 and twice the memory. The x1900XT is a bit more money, but it is true that you get what you pay for.

If you want to spend more money now, get a really decent card and it'll last you a good, long while. The 7600GT is about the same power as a top-end 6800 card. I use a 6800 card and it plays all the games I currently own. I don't own Oblivion but nothing will play that flawlessly...yet. In a couple of years it will seem stupid to consider Oblivion tough work for a GPU. I remember wishing I had a Pentium (1) 90MHz and an extra 8Mb of RAM so I could play Wing Commander 3 nicely. Nowadays that's a joke, so judging by that, perhaps you should spend less now, get the 7600GT, be happy with the money you've saved, wait a while and what's now top-of-the-line (x1950XT-X) will be mid-range - magic!

Reply to AndyAldrich
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maybe 7900GS??? i dont know the price in your country, but here in spain its a little more than a 7600GT

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