i have heard that a cd-r can endure exactly only 2 or 3 years at most,that is under the condition of a dry and cool place without direct shine of light.
Mm,such a condition ,and the disc is so short lived. i have some videos ,all from the internet, the postgraduate lessons videos,over 200GB,and i want a very safe and steady plan to bakup these videos,can i use DVD+R? or i should use MO or other products?please give me a help,thanks………………
| Quote : i have heard that a cd-r can endure exactly only 2 or 3 years at most,that is under the condition of a dry and cool place without direct shine of light. |
where'd ye hear that?
I bought my first CD burner when i bought my p2-350, January 1999 (cost me $500, a Teac quad-speed SCSI.)
The first CD i ever burnt with it (a backup of Unreal) is still running fine after many a use (unlike the original Unreal CD, left it in a hot car, oops). Pretty much all the numerous others i burnt are fine too, after being treated more or less like crap.
Dunno about DVDRs though, i only bought my first dvdrw drive a week ago and haven't plugged it in yet. Only if you buy the absolute cheapest crappiest dvdr discs will they die soon. go for a good brand and they may even have some kind of warranty on them...
thanks for your reply.
i have tried to find some good brands aready,but now the japanese manufactures all exited the market of normal dvd discs ,they ran to the blue-ray or hd-dvd disc for more profit.And now actually the dvdr discs you can find mostly made in Taiwan.
honestly to say, their dvdrs are alse of good quality,but still not better than Japanese brands such as Taiya Yuden, or Mitsubishi(Vertbium).
so , i want to know where i can find the information of testing and evaluation , where can i find them ?
thanks again.
Opticals disc's durability depends on the material it is made of, the way you burn it, and you keep it.Keep it in a cool, dry place (not not your freezer please!).No direct sunlight, no near corrosive materials etc
| Quote : (not not your freezer please! |
Actually, i heard (from a reputable source) that putting CDs in a freezer can actually help "reform" the silicon where it's been scratched. I tried it, didn't work, but certainly didn't harm it.
anyway, @maz, where are ye in the world?
newegg has these:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6817130009
i dunno much about brands these days, but verbatim used to be the shiznit for quality circa 1985-2000
I cannot recommend a Verbatim disc, I have one myself, it's crappy. I would recommend some TDK or Pioneer discs. I have some TDK CD-R discs, and they work very well indeed.
Not sure but my CD-R's ahve lasted years beyond what you heard... I did hear something about them degrading after 10 Years or so though. DVD's are probably around that range also if stored properly. Do not use sharpie markers etc as the ink can eat away at the disc over time...
Although with current flash prices perhaps the best bet for something you want to be sure you don't use is a flash drive (although this may not make sense cost wise depending on how much data youa re talking about. For $15 a GB it may be worth the peace of mind if you only need one or two.
heres an article from pc world
http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,124312/article.html
even it has mixed opinions...google it too, there are tons of articles out there on the topic
I too have heard that DVD-R (or +R) only last a few years - you can do a Google search on DVD+R lifetime and come up with both pros and cons
. The only hard data I found (after my attention span of ~2 minutes expired
) was at More than 100 years projected lifetime for DVD-R media. I believe -R and +R use the same organic dyes (the part that is most likely to degrade) so they should have similar lifetimes if you believe that article by the manufacturer.
On the other hand, I have some copied movies from about 3 years ago, and some of them have problems being read on a standalone player. My DVD writer can still read them however...
Personally I'd like to see some sort of cheap, multi-terabyte online storage system with auto-error-checking & correction, able to store 2000+ complete HDDVD movies, networked to play back to multiple HD TV's simultaneously at 1080p, selection software complete with reviews and searchable as to title, year, cast, etc and with short samples or snippets. Then I'd never have to leave my sofa except for beer, pretzels and bathroom breaks
Not if your lazy boy is a built in toilet and mini fridge! As for pretzels...1 outing: go to costco and get 100 large bags and put them beside and in front of your lazy boy...you won't have to get up for a long time
As some have stated, it can largely depend on a number of factors - environment, dye, burning process, etc etc etc.
I have CDs that are 7 years old now and they work fine. I have CDs that are 3 months old that don't.
One factor that I've found is the quality of the media you're buying. I tend to avoid imation, office store brands, and anything that is horrendously cheap and a lesser known brand.
The brands I can recommend are verbatim and tdk. sony's and hp's are alright, but i usually opt for verbatim or tdk. Especially verbatim for dual layers. I've probably run through 150 DVD's (+ and -). imations had alot of burning issues and longevity issues. i've never had a problem with verbatims and thats with about 80+ DVDs.
However the DVD's longevity I've only had them for about 2-3 years so I can't really say anything beyond those.
fazers_on_stun, you have a great name screenname
| Quote : Not if your lazy boy is a built in toilet and mini fridge! |
Not to mention a really huge Glade plug-in air freshener...
I think the Japanese are clearly in the lead in toilet technology - I have seen some imported toilets at an upscale Home Depot that feature computer-controlled perfume-scented cleansing jets temperature-tailored for your individual tastes (guess it uses butt-recognition software
), plays music and videos and has a phone and ethernet terminal. Price around $3500 as I recall.
I agree - I usually buy blank media from Meritline.com but stick mainly to branded Ridata DVD-R or +R discs. They are generally pretty good but I found a bad disc this weekend - copied a movie and when it skipped and then froze about 40% into the movie, I examined the disc closely and found a pinhole with no dye and a small area around it with very little dye. So from now on I'm gonna turn on data verification in Nero
yeah i have heard the brand Ridata,made in Taiwan whose Chinese name is 铼德。
And some Hongkong brand :CNC(Chinese name 中环,is is a famous street in Hongkong) and ProDisc(Chinese name 精碟,means well designed disc).They OEM a lot of brands, including Sony,TDK ,etc
Have you ever heard Taiya Yuden?
It is said to have the best quality of DVDs in the world, has anyone used it?
I'm not sure if someone posted this, but IMHO This is one of the best sites for dvd/cd info (burners, media, players, ect...) Link
HTH
I have a CD from 1988 that works fine. Just stay away from the cheap crap from the $2 shop.
If there's one thing that everyone on this thread (perhaps forum) that everyone can agree on is TDK's deserved good reputation; yeah they cost a bit more but they're well worth it.
| Quote : yeah i have heard the brand Ridata,made in Taiwan whose Chinese name is 铼德。
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Yeah, I've heard a few good things about Taiyo Yuden media - I think they supply a number of the big brands. However, see the below post from MeritLine User Forums:
| Quote : I personally reccomend nicw's DVDInfo which can also be downloaded here. For more information on the program, read the sticky on this site titled DVDInfo DICUSSION APP." A quick summary of DVDInfo is that it has many options which ADVDINFO does not offer. To name a few, you can test both DVD+R/RW disks, as well as the ability to read disks from a DVD-ROM.
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The brand/material that is being burned too makes a big difference. Gold and blue colored disks last quite a bit longer. Search for my post regaurding the details on the material names and what to look for. The disks can last 2 years, or 400 years, just dont use DVDrw disks.
I found an article that states a lifetime (for a particular brand) at 100 years for a DVD+R. Of course, not all DVDs are built equally. Also frustrating is that this article supposes that the DVD will never get scratched and always left in the case. Because you know that's just how the majority of people in this world treat their DVDs.
I'll also mention that the lifetime is a THEORETICAL lifetime. Nobody actually waited 100 years for a DVD to turn........
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......"there it goes...."
Lifetime
Did you read my link? What the DVD/CD is made from makes a difference that can add or take away 300 years to its lifetime.
So who's gonna wait 300 years to see if that's true?
They dont need to wait. Tests can show the rate of Degradation.
Do they show 300 years worth of scratches, too? I mean, they should be realistic.
OK
SUre I know there is little featherbility that I live to 300 years old or so
the question is : big brands with good raputation can not always promise a very steady qulity or a long lifetime.
So I think , in the case of purchasing DVDs ,there's only luck
NO, there is more to it then luck. read my post and you will find out which materials to use when writting to DVDs.
As for Holden McGroin
"Do they show 300 years worth of scratches, too?"
The number of scratches is not directly related to the lenght of time you own the disk. If you cant keep from scratching the disk, repetitivly, untill it breaks, then you should just get the 1c disks and dont worry about it.
But you tell me, what is 300 years worth of scratches? According to whom? Is there a scratch vs time formula you are using? Does it look like this?
T/D = S where S = the number of scratches developed over the first second of ownership.
For you, lets say S = 5 (which means u scratched the disk 5 times in the first second you opend the disk).
1/D = 5. D (damage), = 1/5 or 20% damage to the disk. Congradulations, you have destroyed 20% of the DVD the first second of ownership.
Mm
For a long time we got a false image that the DVDR is very weak.
but i doubt it .
even not a TDK superdisc(anounced to be safe within 100 years),it can endure a long time ?
what caused dye deteroprates besides the X-ray?
| Quote : I cannot recommend a Verbatim disc, I have one myself, it's crappy. I would recommend some TDK or Pioneer discs. I have some TDK CD-R discs, and they work very well indeed. |
TDK indeed.
I have old TDK discs that work. They are at least 5 years old too.
To OP: a simple solution is to buy two external 300 GB drives, copy the data to both and whenever you add/remove new files, swap the two. Keep the spare in a safe place. I can almost guarantee you that the spare external drive will last longer then a DVD. Plus, they don't take up as much (physical) space as ~40 DVDs of data.
Off course, you don't have to resort to this. It's just a sure fire way to protect the data. I have an old (4-5 years?) drive that's performing the same as it was when I first got it. Plus, if the data on one of the drives ever becomes corrupt, you can simply pop in the backup and copy it over to a new one.
really? You didnt read my post then? I dont think you will be around to find out if your hard drive lasts longer the 200 years. (if you use the DVDrs correctly.
2 hard drives works ... but remember, one burglery, fire, .... willl destroy everything anyways...
Think this is going a bit over top. I mean the world could explode and then what would we do?
right..... cause buildings never burn down... and nobody robs stuff.
Good LUck.
If my house burnt down, the last thing i'd care about is some videos i got from the internet.
for me
The last thing i consider is my text book ^_^
| Quote : If my house burnt down, the last thing i'd care about is some videos i got from the internet. |
Probly not, but why not protect that too?
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