lunyone
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Have you considered some of the newer GFX cards from nVidia and ATI? You can get some improvements with the newer ones.
Do you have a budget in mind?
Do you have any PS limitations (how much you have now)?
Is there any case restrictions that we should consider (SFF or something else)?
Do you have a budget in mind?
Do you have any PS limitations (how much you have now)?
Is there any case restrictions that we should consider (SFF or something else)?
oaksmokedbacon
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as my profile says i have an x800xt PE.
Great card hunt around and even consider a 2nd hand one off ebay.
It'll do you perfectly until the big upgrade for dx10 etc etc
Great card hunt around and even consider a 2nd hand one off ebay.
It'll do you perfectly until the big upgrade for dx10 etc etc
lunyone
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I think if you want a decent system with AGP you might consider the nVidia's 6800 GS version, which you can find over at NEWEGG.com under their video card section http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814143045.
If you want some more flexiblity, but maybe not as fast GFX portion you might want to consider the ATI's x1600xt version, since it has some HDR capabilities http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102678.
I believe there is some x1800's that might be out already that are for AGP slots, but I know that if you can find an nVidia 7600gt. I'll look more and see if I can find one.
If you want some more flexiblity, but maybe not as fast GFX portion you might want to consider the ATI's x1600xt version, since it has some HDR capabilities http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102678.
I believe there is some x1800's that might be out already that are for AGP slots, but I know that if you can find an nVidia 7600gt. I'll look more and see if I can find one.
trinitron64
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I am running the x800xtPE core (r420) in my x800xl so I feel that I can share my opinion on the matter.
The core has overclocked all the way to 570Mhz and the 1.6ns memory with proper motherboard/psup voltage support should be able to utilize that 1.6ns.
With every CSS setting set to match the game is VERY playable.
With the eyecandy set on lets say... 4x aa and 8x af and everything else on high and res at 1600x1200 on CSS Video Stress test I get an average of 96fps.
The card also plays well in BF2 at 1600x1200
Black & White 2 played well too at 1600x1200
No SM3.0..... but hell thats only going to slow you down. Either grab the card and be happy with bloom and the extra cash in your pocket, or buy an x1800.
PEACE
The core has overclocked all the way to 570Mhz and the 1.6ns memory with proper motherboard/psup voltage support should be able to utilize that 1.6ns.
With every CSS setting set to match the game is VERY playable.
With the eyecandy set on lets say... 4x aa and 8x af and everything else on high and res at 1600x1200 on CSS Video Stress test I get an average of 96fps.
The card also plays well in BF2 at 1600x1200
Black & White 2 played well too at 1600x1200
No SM3.0..... but hell thats only going to slow you down. Either grab the card and be happy with bloom and the extra cash in your pocket, or buy an x1800.
PEACE
pauldh
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I'd go for a 7600GT AGP and add a quiet aftermarket cooler if it were my HTPC. Of the cards you meantioned, the X800XTpe is just as fast as the 7600GT, maybe even beat it a little more often than it loses. It doesn't have Sm3.0 though which if priced the same would be the tiebreaker in favor of the 7600GT in my eyes. Not to mention, the 7600GT consumes less power...better for your 350W PSU (check the 12v rail of the power supply to see how many amps it is). The power supply is definatelty a factor here as it may not be enough for the higher end cards.
I own a X800XTpe and am very happy with it. I also have a AIW X800XT, and You may also want to consider that one as they are useually cheaper, slightly lower clocked/slightly slower, but have a TV tuner and remote control, as well as the VIVO breakout boxes. And I have used many X800 pro's. The X800 pro is a step down from either XT or XTPE, but still a very decent card if priced significantly better than the others. Forget the 8-pipe X800GT though.
The 7600GS is definately weaker in games than the X800 pro. Same features as the 7600GT, but much lower clock speeds...therefor slower game performance. The 6800GS is faster and still has SM3.0, but in AGP, the 6800GS's are lower clocked and honestly at stock speeds a X800 pro would beat it in most titles. But priced the same it's still a good option if you really want Sm3.0.
One other thought, my HTPC is in an Antec Overature case. It's a mobile Athlon XP and a 9800 pro with a VGA Silencer on it. I went for quiet and run the fans low speeds. But without increasing some air flow, I'd have a heat issue with a card like the AIW X800XT in that system. Something to consider depending on your case design/size/airflow.
I own a X800XTpe and am very happy with it. I also have a AIW X800XT, and You may also want to consider that one as they are useually cheaper, slightly lower clocked/slightly slower, but have a TV tuner and remote control, as well as the VIVO breakout boxes. And I have used many X800 pro's. The X800 pro is a step down from either XT or XTPE, but still a very decent card if priced significantly better than the others. Forget the 8-pipe X800GT though.
The 7600GS is definately weaker in games than the X800 pro. Same features as the 7600GT, but much lower clock speeds...therefor slower game performance. The 6800GS is faster and still has SM3.0, but in AGP, the 6800GS's are lower clocked and honestly at stock speeds a X800 pro would beat it in most titles. But priced the same it's still a good option if you really want Sm3.0.
One other thought, my HTPC is in an Antec Overature case. It's a mobile Athlon XP and a 9800 pro with a VGA Silencer on it. I went for quiet and run the fans low speeds. But without increasing some air flow, I'd have a heat issue with a card like the AIW X800XT in that system. Something to consider depending on your case design/size/airflow.
The more important questions might be,
- Is this HTPC case cooled well, or optimized for low noise such that it might be of benefit to get a card with lower heat, lower cooling needs (also meaning, it takes lower video card fan speed (noise) to cool it, all else being equal, if it needs a active 'sink at all)?
- What resolution? HTPC might mean hooked up to a lower resolution TV of some sort, meaning you may not need the extra power.
- How futureproof does it need be? If your answer suggests too far into the future, then it might be better to use a PCI Express platform rather than 'sinking money into an AGP card, especially if you'd be inclined to recoup funds fron the current parts by selling them that would lower the total system cost.
- Is this HTPC case cooled well, or optimized for low noise such that it might be of benefit to get a card with lower heat, lower cooling needs (also meaning, it takes lower video card fan speed (noise) to cool it, all else being equal, if it needs a active 'sink at all)?
- What resolution? HTPC might mean hooked up to a lower resolution TV of some sort, meaning you may not need the extra power.
- How futureproof does it need be? If your answer suggests too far into the future, then it might be better to use a PCI Express platform rather than 'sinking money into an AGP card, especially if you'd be inclined to recoup funds fron the current parts by selling them that would lower the total system cost.
Well its not the questest htpc but i still have to add a fan in the front to improve cooling. Ther is a 120mm fan in the back that came standard with the unit. The LCD tv I want to connect to is a sansung 32" 1080i.
Native resolution 1366x768.
So it seems the x800xt pe might be the way to go..........
Native resolution 1366x768.
So it seems the x800xt pe might be the way to go..........
cleeve
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If you want the best and can afford $175 USD, forget the X800 and 6800 series... the 7600 GT trumps them with performance and value, for $175 USD on newegg the last time I checked.
The 7800 GS is a bit better, but single-digit percentages in most things. Not worth the extra cash.
TIf you can't afford that, grab a cheep used X800 GTO or X800 XL, maybe a 6800 GT if you can find one. But that'd be almost as much as the new 7600 GT...
The 7800 GS is a bit better, but single-digit percentages in most things. Not worth the extra cash.
TIf you can't afford that, grab a cheep used X800 GTO or X800 XL, maybe a 6800 GT if you can find one. But that'd be almost as much as the new 7600 GT...
I would go with the 256mb Nvidia GF6800GT OC (Overclock).
XFX and BFG both do these cards and have received good reviews.
I am looking to upgrade the 5700Ultra in my 'Shuttle' at the moment and I'm restricted by space (Barebones Shuttles are pretty small), so can't have the 6800Ultra or one with a big Arctic Cooler fan fitted.
My theory is to stick with that until early next year, when I'll be replacing the entire machine with something more 'bleeding edge' and utilising PCIe and DX10.
XFX and BFG both do these cards and have received good reviews.
I am looking to upgrade the 5700Ultra in my 'Shuttle' at the moment and I'm restricted by space (Barebones Shuttles are pretty small), so can't have the 6800Ultra or one with a big Arctic Cooler fan fitted.
My theory is to stick with that until early next year, when I'll be replacing the entire machine with something more 'bleeding edge' and utilising PCIe and DX10.
Always buy latest family. My advice
1. 7600GS: Small size, passive cooler.
2. 7600GT: NV hasn't announced it, but pin compatible w/ 7600GS, so some makers can, and do, slap a GT chip on the same PCB. Same size as 7600GS but actively cooled.
Both are perfect for silent PC.
1. 7600GS: Small size, passive cooler.
2. 7600GT: NV hasn't announced it, but pin compatible w/ 7600GS, so some makers can, and do, slap a GT chip on the same PCB. Same size as 7600GS but actively cooled.
Both are perfect for silent PC.
pauldh
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Forget the 6800XT. They have only 8 pipes, a wide range of clock speeds, and some even have a 128-bit memory interface. A 350/1000 or higher clocked 6800XT is ok(not great), maybe equal to a 7600GS, but still way behind a 6800GS and X800 pro/GTO.
How much are you talking for the X800XTpe? What does it compare in price to some of the other cards mentioned? How about compred to the cheapest 6800GS and 7800GS you can find?
As I mentioned I have a X800XTpe and am thrilled with it. It is equal or if anything the tiniest bit above a X850XT due to clock differences. So easily able to keep up with 7600GT and 6800U. The only thing it lacks is Sm3.0, which practically speaking means you can't do the type of HDR used in Oblivion & farcry. But honestly, the X800XTpe/X850XT make up for that lack with great performance in those two games.
If you can't find 7600GT in AGP and a 7800GS is out of range, then the X800XTpe priced significantly less than a 7800GS would be a very good option. Anyway, look at these charts below. Click on the games and resolution you are interested in and note how well the X850XT does with fsaa & AF eye candy turned on. Also, you can look under screenshots (part 6) and compare IQ between GF6, GF7 & X8 cards. Besides the HDR lighting in Oblivion, IMO you won't notice one looking better than the other in any of the 12 games.
http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/digest3d/index.html
At your LCD's resolution, forget the 7600GS, it's too wimpy. A X800XTpe would spank it something silly at that resolution.
How much are you talking for the X800XTpe? What does it compare in price to some of the other cards mentioned? How about compred to the cheapest 6800GS and 7800GS you can find?
As I mentioned I have a X800XTpe and am thrilled with it. It is equal or if anything the tiniest bit above a X850XT due to clock differences. So easily able to keep up with 7600GT and 6800U. The only thing it lacks is Sm3.0, which practically speaking means you can't do the type of HDR used in Oblivion & farcry. But honestly, the X800XTpe/X850XT make up for that lack with great performance in those two games.
If you can't find 7600GT in AGP and a 7800GS is out of range, then the X800XTpe priced significantly less than a 7800GS would be a very good option. Anyway, look at these charts below. Click on the games and resolution you are interested in and note how well the X850XT does with fsaa & AF eye candy turned on. Also, you can look under screenshots (part 6) and compare IQ between GF6, GF7 & X8 cards. Besides the HDR lighting in Oblivion, IMO you won't notice one looking better than the other in any of the 12 games.
http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/digest3d/index.html
At your LCD's resolution, forget the 7600GS, it's too wimpy. A X800XTpe would spank it something silly at that resolution.
pauldh
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Outstanding deal in AGP, you won't find a better AGP perfomer for that price. Grab it before it's gone. Mine was way more than that. 
What's the 12v rail on your PSU? Below 18 AMP would probably be underpowered for that card. Even higher if you have a loaded system with multiple HDD's or Optical drives.
For a while, my X800XTpe was paired with a Antec SP 400W with 18 AMP 12v rail and it did fine. It was an Athlon XP with 1 HDD and 1 Optical though. I ended up swapping in a Truepower 430W when I had the opportunity.
What's the 12v rail on your PSU? Below 18 AMP would probably be underpowered for that card. Even higher if you have a loaded system with multiple HDD's or Optical drives.
For a while, my X800XTpe was paired with a Antec SP 400W with 18 AMP 12v rail and it did fine. It was an Athlon XP with 1 HDD and 1 Optical though. I ended up swapping in a Truepower 430W when I had the opportunity.
..............:::::::::::::NOTE TO EVERYONEEEEE!!!!!::::::::::::..............
Guys.
This past August.... LEADTEK came out with a 7600GT for AGP. The clocks are EXACTLY like the PCI-E versions. Cost a lil more but scores higher than 7800gs. 7600gt clocks 500+ and the 7800gs clocks 400+... yeah u heard me right. look it up. just type "LEADTEK 7600GT AGP" (w/o "qoutes" of course).
GOOD LUCK!
its like $173.00 btw. Price might drop i unno....
Guys.
This past August.... LEADTEK came out with a 7600GT for AGP. The clocks are EXACTLY like the PCI-E versions. Cost a lil more but scores higher than 7800gs. 7600gt clocks 500+ and the 7800gs clocks 400+... yeah u heard me right. look it up. just type "LEADTEK 7600GT AGP" (w/o "qoutes" of course).
GOOD LUCK!
its like $173.00 btw. Price might drop i unno....
cleeve
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*** NOTE TO JDANG ***
The AGP 7600 GT has been mentioned at lkeast twice in this thread already...
You can find 'em on Newegg:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814122009
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