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a b U Graphics card
September 23, 2006 2:06:21 PM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

Great card for Ludites and Fanatics; a chance to own ATI's rare top of the line AGP card for just $175. That's reference 7800GS performance for alot less money, and considering the slightly slower SM3.0 7600GT AGP is out of stock most of the time, I bet these will go quickly. I wish I had a buyer for my X800XTpe (1 step down) as I'd rather hang onto the top dog in my collection.
September 23, 2006 3:26:18 PM

DAMN that's a good deal.

If it stays there, it's going on the 'best cards for the money' thread for sure...
September 23, 2006 3:27:25 PM

Looks like hell of a deal.
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September 23, 2006 8:18:55 PM

Quote:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

Great card for Ludites and Fanatics; a chance to own ATI's rare top of the line AGP card for just $175. That's reference 7800GS performance for alot less money, and considering the slightly slower SM3.0 7600GT AGP is out of stock most of the time, I bet these will go quickly. I wish I had a buyer for my X800XTpe (1 step down) as I'd rather hang onto the top dog in my collection.


If i decide to remodel my dell, ill probably get that bargain. :D 
September 23, 2006 8:40:02 PM

ive got and x850xt pe. despite being 2nd gen now, its still a beast.
highly recommend it.
-cm
a b U Graphics card
September 23, 2006 10:44:37 PM

If it sticks around for a while, it deserves to be on the list. But it would be nice to see another site or even one serving another country to also carry the card at a decent price. I'm just shocked as this thing has been rare and more than twice that price if you could find one.

Honestly I am a funny sort as this is one of those deals I want despite not needing the card at all. I'm a sucker for the former champs like the 9700 pro, 9800XT and X850Tpe. Nice cards to have on hand for comparison sake. It bugs me I'm not buying one nor know anbody who currently is in the market for one. :roll:
September 23, 2006 11:17:31 PM

Quote:
If it sticks around for a while, it deserves to be on the list. But it would be nice to see another site or even one serving another country to also carry the card at a decent price. I'm just shocked as this thing has been rare and more than twice that price if you could find one.

Honestly I am a funny sort as this is one of those deals I want despite not needing the card at all. I'm a sucker for the former champs like the 9700 pro, 9800XT and X850Tpe. Nice cards to have on hand for comparison sake. It bugs me I'm not buying one nor know anbody who currently is in the market for one. :roll:


Well you could buy it, and keep it in a glass case and admire it on your wall :D 
a b U Graphics card
September 23, 2006 11:26:39 PM

Scary thing is, if I was loaded I probably would. :oops: 

The case would need to be easy to open for when I was bored and in need of doing some comparison benchmarking. :wink:
September 24, 2006 12:33:56 AM

Quote:
Scary thing is, if I was loaded I probably would. :oops: 

The case would need to be easy to open for when I was bored and in need of doing some comparison benchmarking. :wink:


Lol. Sounds like someone needs a job, but I'm pretty sure you have one.
a b U Graphics card
September 24, 2006 12:51:12 AM

LOL, yes I have a job and even a life, wife, and kids. :wink: But it's just an addicting hobby I enjoy and I have to balance it with other higher priorities like my family and bills/expenses. :D 

One things for sure, If I didn't need the job/money. I'd like to tinker around doing benchmarks/reviews on my own hardware site. :roll: Pretty sure I'd never want to do it full time or for a living with pressures/deadlines and all, but I could enjoy and have enjoyed wasting alot of time testing/evaluating/and comparing hardware, especially video cards. It would be fun to dive into comparisons the big sites can't afford to spend time doing, like CPU scaling with a wide range of cards/games. Or just doing a large GPU review, but doing all the tests on 3-4 various levels of systems. It makes sense to do GPU reviews with a top CPU and visa-versa, but it doesn't always give a good picture of how these gpu's would perform in the various systems readers have, or even what is the best upgrade route to go. Anyway, if there are tests/results I would like to see but can't find, that's when I get the itch to dig into it myself.
September 24, 2006 1:41:45 AM

The old cards make me smile. The cards that today cost you 600 bucks give you hundreds of times more raw power than the 600 dollar cards 4 years ago. People keep telling me to upgrade and get rid of the x850xt pe, but hey! i'd rather have a card that was a king 2 years ago than a card thats only so-so today.

Heres to the ancient, obsolete machines and components!
-cm
September 24, 2006 4:29:20 AM

I’m in the market for a new AGP card to replace my 9800pro. What’s the difference between the X850XT and the PE?

Should I just go ahead and get the X850XT since the PE is out of stock?

I was also looking at the X800GTO... not sure which is the best for the money.
September 24, 2006 6:03:07 AM

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LOL, yes I have a job and even a life, wife, and kids. :wink: But it's just an addicting hobby I enjoy and I have to balance it with other higher priorities like my family and bills/expenses. :D 

One things for sure, If I didn't need the job/money. I'd like to tinker around doing benchmarks/reviews on my own hardware site. :roll: Pretty sure I'd never want to do it full time or for a living with pressures/deadlines and all, but I could enjoy and have enjoyed wasting alot of time testing/evaluating/and comparing hardware, especially video cards. It would be fun to dive into comparisons the big sites can't afford to spend time doing, like CPU scaling with a wide range of cards/games. Or just doing a large GPU review, but doing all the tests on 3-4 various levels of systems. It makes sense to do GPU reviews with a top CPU and visa-versa, but it doesn't always give a good picture of how these gpu's would perform in the various systems readers have, or even what is the best upgrade route to go. Anyway, if there are tests/results I would like to see but can't find, that's when I get the itch to dig into it myself.


Are you selling your life anytime soon? Cuz i wouldnt mind buying it :D 
September 24, 2006 9:18:44 PM

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I’m in the market for a new AGP card to replace my 9800pro. What’s the difference between the X850XT and the PE?

Should I just go ahead and get the X850XT since the PE is out of stock?

I was also looking at the X800GTO... not sure which is the best for the money.



Anyone?
September 24, 2006 10:27:14 PM

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The cards that today cost you 600 bucks give you hundreds of times more raw power than the 600 dollar cards 4 years ago.
That's not at all accurate.
a b U Graphics card
September 24, 2006 10:54:46 PM

The XTPE (platinum edition) is just clocked a bit higher. 20MHz on the core, and 50MHz (100MHz effective) memory. If you were to overclock a plain XT to XTPE speeds, they would perform the same. I don't expect the platinum edition to be back in stock anytime soon.

Read up here:
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2290&p=2

It shows the performance diffence between XT and XTPE to be 1-5%.
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2290&p=5

These are old drivers. ATI to ATI should compare well, but not ATI to NV. Example, ATI has made huge gains in Doom 3 and Farcry, while NV made huge gains in HL2.
September 24, 2006 11:13:49 PM

Thx for the response.

I bought this power supply...

http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E1681...

will that be enough for the XT. Couldn't find anything about the required amps on the 12v rail.

Also Im running a 2.8 p4 with 1gb DDR3200. Will the XT be a bottleneck?

BTW I have 1 optical drive 1 hard drive, and an Audigy ZS 2.
September 24, 2006 11:20:04 PM

Quote:

celewign wrote:
The cards that today cost you 600 bucks give you hundreds of times more raw power than the 600 dollar cards 4 years ago.

That's not at all accurate.


Well yeah, I made that figure up. But the statement is sortov accurate. Evilr00t has an ati rage II that used to be worth something, but now its a piece of crap, although venerable in its own right.
-cm
September 24, 2006 11:39:10 PM

sounds like a great deal if only they shipped to bulgaria :(  ... well i guess when i come backt to the states i will be making a wish list :) 
September 25, 2006 11:41:27 AM

I have this card, well actually X800 XT PE AGP. Its the same spec, 520mhz core, 1120mhz mem, 16 pipelines.

Its a good card.

HOWEVER.....

I was thinking of ebaying it and going for the Gainward Bliss GS7800+, the 7900 in AGP form.
450mhz core easily clockable to 500+ 1250mhz mem easily clockable to 1400mhz with 24 pipelines.

But wondering whether it will make much difference at all over the Radeon?


P.S if anyone is interested in my X800 XT PE, i'll sell it to UK buyers delivered for £99. Its got 5mths warranty left I only bought 7mths ago, its boxed as new.
a b U Graphics card
September 25, 2006 11:45:21 AM

The 24-pipe Gainward is a beast but only worth it if you have a beast of a system to put it in. (Decent clocked A64) I'm thinking rather than pay the premium for the Gainward, it's probably time to switch to PCI-e. What does the Gainward Bliss cost over there compared to a X1900XT or 7950GT?
September 25, 2006 12:38:57 PM

Edit: Oops. That was PCI-Express. Sorry.

I just checked and Newegg says they are In-Stock as of 8:38 Eastern Time. X850XT PE
September 25, 2006 2:25:17 PM

I hear you on the time to go PCI-E, BUUUUUUUT....... my PC is decent spec :

MSI K8N Neo2
A64 X2 4400+
X800 XP PE
2gb Dual Channel
SB Audigy 2
160gb SATAII 8mb 7200rpm

I can buy the 7800GS for £240 delivered. I can get circa £100 for current card on the bay.
The 1900XTX is £260 delivered but will need a new mobo and the time to fit. Mobo circa £80 so £340 in total.

NOW..... when the DX10 cards come out, Im gonna want one, so for the sake of £140 right now (given the sale of my current card) its an easier pill to swallow than £240 and having to go DX10 card in 6 mths.

So Im gonna order up the GS 7800 + if its gonna show me better performance than the current card, thats noticeable. The VGA charts suggest so, and thats at stock speeds.
September 25, 2006 3:09:11 PM

EDIT: Ah, never mind. Jist found a review on Firingsquad

Looks like X850 XT PE is better in some games and worse or equal to GF6800U in others. Thanks for the heads up though.

Quote:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

Great card for Ludites and Fanatics; a chance to own ATI's rare top of the line AGP card for just $175. That's reference 7800GS performance for alot less money, and considering the slightly slower SM3.0 7600GT AGP is out of stock most of the time, I bet these will go quickly. I wish I had a buyer for my X800XTpe (1 step down) as I'd rather hang onto the top dog in my collection.



Paul, you're da man. But X850XT PE and X850XT were both gone when I checked. I wonder. Did they have like one of each? Hmmmm.

By the way, I checked AGP VGA Charts but neither of these cards are present. Do you know where I can check how they compare to GF6800 Ultra? I have a feeling that they could be up to 20% faster. If that's so, I guess I would like one while I wait for next gen cards. I am rather happy with my 6800U's performance in all games I own but would not mind a slight improvement in Oblivion. Regardless, a sub $200 card that's 20% faster than the 6800U would do me nicely for 6-7 months.

Many thanks in advance.
September 25, 2006 4:51:24 PM

The AGP X850XT and PE are both out of stock. I too wonder if they only had like 1 of each to sale??

What about the X800GTO or X850 PRO? Which one would be a better buy?
September 25, 2006 5:25:10 PM

whats faster out of a 6800GT and a x800xtpe?
a b U Graphics card
September 25, 2006 10:35:18 PM

X800XTpe is equal to X850XT, 6800U, and 7600GT, all ahead of 6800GT. But not enough ahead to be a worthy upgrade.

IMO AGP ranking is:

Gainward 24-pipe 7800GS(not available North America)
Gainward 20-pipe 7800GS(ditto)
Reference 7800GS / X850XTpe
X800XTpe / X850XT /6800U /7600GT
X800XT
X800XL/X850 pro/6800GT
X800pro/X800GTO 256MB/6800GS OC
X800 128MB/6800/7600GS/X1650 pro
6800XT(350/700)/6600GT/9800XT/X1600 pro
a b U Graphics card
September 25, 2006 11:00:52 PM

You have to watch looking at old reviews as updated drivers change things and newer reviews use newer games. One example is ATI has almost caught up in Doom 3 and has pulled ahead in farcry. While NV fully caught up in HL2.

Best place to see how the X850XTpe performs is against the 7800GS as those reviews are newer:

Anand shows the X850XTpe beat the 7800GS more often than not and they give the performance win to the Radeon in the conclusion:
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2686&p=3

Firingsquad uses the X800XTpe, so basically X850XT, and it does very well against the 7800GS and even manages to pull wins on the BFG OC 7800GS. It's a real bummer 6800U and X850XTpe were no in the review:
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/bfg_geforce_7800_gs...

Tom's has all three in there:
http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/02/02/nvidia_7800gs_co...

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And this may be overwhelming for some and take a while to load, but it's one of the best places IMO to see how the AGP cards stack up. I especially like the various resolutions both with and with aa/af eye candy. (personally the 4x/16x if playable mean more to me) than no eye candy.
http://www.ixbt.com/video2/agp-2k6-d.shtml#p18
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September 25, 2006 11:49:53 PM

I wouldnt spend my money on that, instead I would spend maybe $30 more on the Platinum edition.
September 26, 2006 1:38:26 AM

Ummm. Confused. Thanks, Paul for your elaborate reply. Really. But I was trying to figure out X850 XT PE vs. GF 6800 Ultra.... I am tipsy at the moment so maybe I misread something. I'll revisit the thread tomorrow.

Cheers!
a b U Graphics card
September 26, 2006 1:45:43 AM

The X850XTpe is overall a bit above the 6800U, equal to 7800GS. Is the Short version better? :lol: 
a b U Graphics card
September 26, 2006 2:24:07 AM

i agree the x850 is a little better than the 68gt in my case
my brother has an x800xl wich is about the same performance wise
if you want to compare benchmarks the 68gt wins
but general usage, gaming,ect cant see any diff.

in the benchmarks the 68gt wins in an oc.
but no diff in gaming.

but the x850 is a little better overall.
even with the 68gt oced.

EDIT i say this becuase some people think sm3.0 makes
a huge diff. and you it doesnt. i know it doesnt at least not right
now. its just some new guys think it does.
a b U Graphics card
September 26, 2006 2:39:38 AM

X800XL easily holds it's own against the 6800GT at stock speeds, winning probably 50% of the time. 6800GT would probably be the better OC'er although neither the NV40 or the R430 cores go that high. The X800XTpe is clocked way higher, so it easily beats the XL and the 6800GT.

Here are those charts again: http://www.ixbt.com/video2/agp-2k6-d.shtml#p18 Looking at those, the 6800GT has a few very small wins at best playable settings, but the X800XL has as many wins with a couple being huge victories. Still all in all I see them as trading blows and equal performers.
a b U Graphics card
September 26, 2006 2:43:51 AM

i totally agree.

my brother now has a 76gt which inst a big improvement
but he likes the price and especially the high clock speeds

i like it becuase it is cheaper and cooler and a little better than my 68gts.
September 26, 2006 3:27:26 AM

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X800XTpe is equal to X850XT, 6800U, and 7600GT, all ahead of 6800GT. But not enough ahead to be a worthy upgrade.

IMO AGP ranking is:

Gainward 24-pipe 7800GS(not available North America)
Gainward 20-pipe 7800GS(ditto)
Reference 7800GS / X850XTpe
X800XTpe / X850XT /6800U /7600GT
X800XT
X800XL/X850 pro/6800GT
X800pro/X800GTO 256MB/6800GS OC
X800 128MB/6800/7600GS/X1650 pro
6800XT(350/700)/6600GT/9800XT/X1600 pro


Please don't mention a legendary card like the 9800XT next to a shitty crippled card like the 6800XT. In fact, please don't ever mention teh 6800XT again. Thank you.
a b U Graphics card
September 26, 2006 3:34:15 AM

Ah, LOL. You share my love for the legends. I so want a 9800XT for my collection. Not sure why I put it in there as good luck finding one new. I had wanted to say 9800 pro...but thought, shoot 9800 pro is a bit behind the 6600GT/X1600 pro, so let me say 9800XT. I don't see the 9800XT as being better than a 6600GT, but to me it's more valuable for sure. :roll:

But you know, while most 6800XT's are not too exciting, some 6800XT's could spank a 9800XT. But you need to find the ones with the high clocks like this one: http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/digest3d/0806/itogi...
September 26, 2006 6:26:38 PM

Quote:
The X850XTpe is overall a bit above the 6800U, equal to 7800GS. Is the Short version better? :lol: 



Ahem.... Ummm... Okay. Sticking with the 6800U. Does not look like the improvement will be worth $200 especially considering that X850XTpe is all but impossible to find.
September 26, 2006 7:14:57 PM

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In fact, please don't ever mention teh 6800XT again. Thank you.

If people would stop mentioning that crap, we would be in heaven now.
September 26, 2006 7:29:20 PM

Amazon sells a PNY 7900GT 256MB PCIe for 174 Euro right now. That´s cheaper than most 7900GS cards...

In germany (or europe) though


PS: And shippign is free too. 8O
a b U Graphics card
September 26, 2006 9:18:36 PM

Do you have a 6800U now? If so, don't even think of upgrading to a X850XTpe or any other AGP card. Your are near top of the line AGP with a 6800U.
September 26, 2006 9:46:45 PM

Quote:
Do you have a 6800U now? If so, don't even think of upgrading to a X850XTpe or any other AGP card. Your are near top of the line AGP with a 6800U.


Yeah, I have an eGeForce 6800 Ultra. I've been reading up on AGP cards. I think though that if I could get a Gainward Geforce 7800 GS 512Mb AGP and for a reasonable price I would get it. Have not seen any direct comparisons with other top AGP 8x cards but it seems to me that it could be 20-30(or more)% faster than the 6800 Ultra.

If I could get this Gainward Geforce 7800 GS AGP then I would be sitting very comfortably for a year or so until the second batch of next gen cards arrives and all that fog around Vista and DX10 + its support in games clears...

EDIT01: Oh, and arguably it overclocks well too almost reaching 7900 GT's performance (I could be wrong about this but I think I read it somewhere)

EDIT 02: Yeah. same article. If it is true, then this 7800GS scores 7724 in 3DMark 05 while my 6800U scores only around 5700. This does look like a 25% performance increase. I could definitely live with that for some $300-350
a b U Graphics card
September 26, 2006 10:28:08 PM

Probelem is Gainward pulled out of North America, and for $350, you could buy a X1900XT and have $100 to put into the new mobo. Otherwise, the 24-pipe Gainwards are serious cards for sure.


Hey, the X850XTpe and the plain XT are both back in stock. As is the 7600GT. But really IMO only the X850XTpe is above your card, and only by a little. But it's nice to see 3 decent AGP cards on Newegg now for $175 for those who want one more AGP card for their still decent rig.
September 26, 2006 10:36:49 PM

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for $350, you could buy a X1900XT and have $100 to put into the new mobo.


Yeah, but then it becomes pretty much a complete upgrade. I would need a new CPU, new RAM. And while I am at it, then why not get a future proof PSU as well? Hmmm.... I've had my case for, I don't know... 7 years? So a shiny new case would be nice as well. But I don't really want to do a partial upgrade. Swapping a video card for another with 25% better performance makes sense to me. But doing a partial upgrade now just to redo it in about 8-12 months is just not my style. So I guess unless I am lucky to find that Gainward card somewhere I'll just wait till I can build a complete next gen rig.
September 27, 2006 2:58:32 AM

Hey guys, n00bie here...

I have a PC I built about 2 years ago. I had an ATI Radeon X800 XL AGP (256 MB) in there but the fan crapped out and its currently getting replaced under warranty. Would this X850XT Platinum Edition be a significant increase in performance compared to my X800 XL? I am big on Half-Life 2 and Doom 3. I have read from other users on different sites that you can play Doom 3 with max settings and very good framerate. I have been playing HL2 and Doom 3 with 1024X768 at medium settings with decent framerate, but I want to be able to jack up the settings to high and turn on anti-aliasing, all the bells and whistles. Is this one of the best available AGP cards? My motherboard only supports AGP, not PCIe.

My system specs:

3.0 Ghz P4 H/T
ABIT IC7-G Motherboard
1.0 GB Dual Channel DDR400 RAM
500 Watt Power Supply

Thanks.
September 27, 2006 4:19:29 AM

Quote:
Hey guys, n00bie here...

I have a PC I built about 2 years ago. I had an ATI Radeon X800 XL AGP (256 MB) in there but the fan crapped out and its currently getting replaced under warranty. Would this X850XT Platinum Edition be a significant increase in performance compared to my X800 XL? I am big on Half-Life 2 and Doom 3. I have read from other users on different sites that you can play Doom 3 with max settings and very good framerate. I have been playing HL2 and Doom 3 with 1024X768 at medium settings with decent framerate, but I want to be able to jack up the settings to high and turn on anti-aliasing, all the bells and whistles. Is this one of the best available AGP cards? My motherboard only supports AGP, not PCIe.

My system specs:

3.0 Ghz P4 H/T
ABIT IC7-G Motherboard
1.0 GB Dual Channel DDR400 RAM
500 Watt Power Supply

Thanks.



What you are saying does not sound right. You should be able to run Half-Life 2 at 1600x1200 with 2xAA and 8xAF with decent frame rates (about 50 FPS)

Check these benchmarks

In the benchmark they use 4xAA and 8xAF and the card still produces 43 FPS.

As for Doom 3 in my experience AF is pretty irrelevant in this game because everything happens in cramped environments and everything is very dark. As a result you can only see things which are close to you. AF improves quality of images in the distance.... so for Doom 3 it is kind of irrelevant. Enable 2xAA and no AF or 4xAF and you should get around 50 FPS in Doom 3 as well even at 1600x1200

Granted, 50 FPS will be your average frame rate. Minimum FPS may drop to below 30 from time to time but the game will still be very playable.

If you are playing on an LCD at low gaming resolution of 1024x768 because it is your monitor's native resolution and you cannot go as high as 1600x1200 then you SHOULD be able to use max settings + 2xAA and 8xAF in both games while getting very good FPS (like 60+).

EDIT: As a matter of fact, your X800 XL shows average Half-Life 2 frame rates of 75-something with 4xAA and 8xAF at 1024x768. So I can't help but wonder why you play the game at medium settings.

X850XT PE is next to impossible to find. It would give you slightly better performance but IMO it is not worth the expense unless you can easily sell your XL.

Finally, if I remember correctly, you can flash the BIOS of your XL and clock it to XT specifications. Google it or browse posts in this forum (I do not have ATI cards in any of my PCs and I have no experience with the procedure).
a b U Graphics card
September 27, 2006 12:03:33 PM

I agree with Slava. You should be able to play at 1600x1200 2x/16x in the original HL2. It depends on how picky you are in framerates. I know I have played both HL2 and Farcry at 1280x1024 4x/16x with my XL and I tend to be picky about smooth gameplay.

It seems the X850XTpe is usually about 20-25% above your card at high res with eye aa/af on. It amounts to around 10fps in the games I checked. Not a huge upgrade, but could be possibly justifiable only if you are not quite able to run a LCD's native res. Otherwise, I say keep the X800XL, tweak your game settings, and save up for a future PCI-e rig.

Study these charts a bit as the X800XL and X850XTPE are both in there:
http://www.ixbt.com/video2/agp-2k6-d.shtml#p21
September 27, 2006 10:08:17 PM

Quote:
Hey guys, n00bie here...

I have a PC I built about 2 years ago. I had an ATI Radeon X800 XL AGP (256 MB) in there but the fan crapped out and its currently getting replaced under warranty. Would this X850XT Platinum Edition be a significant increase in performance compared to my X800 XL? I am big on Half-Life 2 and Doom 3. I have read from other users on different sites that you can play Doom 3 with max settings and very good framerate. I have been playing HL2 and Doom 3 with 1024X768 at medium settings with decent framerate, but I want to be able to jack up the settings to high and turn on anti-aliasing, all the bells and whistles. Is this one of the best available AGP cards? My motherboard only supports AGP, not PCIe.

My system specs:

3.0 Ghz P4 H/T
ABIT IC7-G Motherboard
1.0 GB Dual Channel DDR400 RAM
500 Watt Power Supply

Thanks.



What you are saying does not sound right. You should be able to run Half-Life 2 at 1600x1200 with 2xAA and 8xAF with decent frame rates (about 50 FPS)

Check these benchmarks

In the benchmark they use 4xAA and 8xAF and the card still produces 43 FPS.

As for Doom 3 in my experience AF is pretty irrelevant in this game because everything happens in cramped environments and everything is very dark. As a result you can only see things which are close to you. AF improves quality of images in the distance.... so for Doom 3 it is kind of irrelevant. Enable 2xAA and no AF or 4xAF and you should get around 50 FPS in Doom 3 as well even at 1600x1200

Granted, 50 FPS will be your average frame rate. Minimum FPS may drop to below 30 from time to time but the game will still be very playable.

If you are playing on an LCD at low gaming resolution of 1024x768 because it is your monitor's native resolution and you cannot go as high as 1600x1200 then you SHOULD be able to use max settings + 2xAA and 8xAF in both games while getting very good FPS (like 60+).

EDIT: As a matter of fact, your X800 XL shows average Half-Life 2 frame rates of 75-something with 4xAA and 8xAF at 1024x768. So I can't help but wonder why you play the game at medium settings.

X850XT PE is next to impossible to find. It would give you slightly better performance but IMO it is not worth the expense unless you can easily sell your XL.

Finally, if I remember correctly, you can flash the BIOS of your XL and clock it to XT specifications. Google it or browse posts in this forum (I do not have ATI cards in any of my PCs and I have no experience with the procedure).

Thanks guys. I might have been thrown off because I'm not really sure when my fan seized up on me and really caused the X800 to suffer in performance. As far as what I'm looking for in "decent" framerates, I'm looking for 50-60, as close to 60 FPS as possible. Correct me if I'm wrong but don't HL2 and Doom 3 have a maximum FPS cap of 60? Yet, somehow in these benchmarks people are getting 100 or more. How do you work around this cap, assuming their is one? I think I'll wait until I get a working X800 XL back from ATI and compare my performance to these benchmarks.
September 27, 2006 10:32:10 PM

This should be your #1 web site :wink:

As for 60 FPS cap, read THIS and scroll down to "Prey and Screen Tearing". Prey is using Doom 3 engine. The article explains how you can remove the 60 FPS cap. But it is not advisable for actual game play because excessive image tearing will occur.

Also, you must realize that most benchmarks do not use real game play to compare video cards' performance because it is impossible for a human player to play through the same level several times identically. They use game play recordings.
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September 28, 2006 2:04:31 AM

[H] seems to be the one exception pretty much only using Fraps real game play for their testing. I like their style to give another look into the situation. But I do wish they took the better cards best playable yet still identical (no HQAF) and give us apples to apples. I'd like to see if Card A can play at such and such settings, which is above card B's max playable settings, well just how well can card B do if you run the same settings as card A. Just how unplayable is it? To me that would be good info to have.
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