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Anonymous
January 22, 2005 12:28:51 PM

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Hi All!

Sorry for a stupid question, but i'm new to PDA.

I'm going to buy Axim X50, which technically supports VGA.
But it's shipped with Windows Mobile 2003 second edition which does not
support VGA!

Questions:

1. Is it worth to buy such expencive device right now? I can buy X30 much
cheaper.
2. Is it possible to upgrade in the future?
3. If so, then when it will be available?
4. Do i really will be able to see whole page on the screen in VGA mode? Is
that readable?

Thanks beforehand!

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Anonymous
January 22, 2005 2:53:26 PM

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WM2003SE does indeed support VGA and other resolutions as well. It is also
important that your hardware be capable of supporting the higher, or
different resolution. The Dell X50v, does have a 480x640 screen resolution.
(the X50's, no 'v', do not) The information displayed by default is not
substantially different than what QVGA viewers see. It is however
significantly clearer since they are able to use four times as many pixels
to display it. It also allows more flexibility in text rendering, because of
the increase in pixels, letting smaller and larger text be smoother.

There are third party hacks/apps that let you present information in true
VGA at the expense of everything being 1/2 (or 1/4) as big. The icons are
1/4 the size, the scroll bars are half as wide, etc. A spreadsheet has twice
as many rows and columns because they are half as high and half as wide.
Some folks like that, I personally don't wish to carry a magnifying glass.

There seem to be tweaks that help in the small scroll and menu bar issues,
but I haven't been too successful myself.

This applies to all the VGA screened PPCs that run WM2003SE.

--
Sven, MS-MVP Mobile Devices
"Mike Evteev" <mikeevteev@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:%2372T$6IAFHA.3472@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> Hi All!
>
> Sorry for a stupid question, but i'm new to PDA.
>
> I'm going to buy Axim X50, which technically supports VGA.
> But it's shipped with Windows Mobile 2003 second edition which does not
> support VGA!
>
> Questions:
>
> 1. Is it worth to buy such expencive device right now? I can buy X30 much
> cheaper.
> 2. Is it possible to upgrade in the future?
> 3. If so, then when it will be available?
> 4. Do i really will be able to see whole page on the screen in VGA mode?
Is
> that readable?
>
> Thanks beforehand!
>
>
Anonymous
January 22, 2005 6:27:37 PM

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Hi Sven!

You say amount of text lines will be the same but text will be more
accurate?

Actually i do not need a lot of features.

The question is - do i need to spend additional 1-2-3... hundred bucks for
such feature like VGA?
What i need is:
1. Ability to read *.doc, *.html, *.pdf, *.chm, *.txt
2. Have enough space to install dictionary, translator
3. Listen mp3
4. May be use skype. Not sure yet.

X50v is kinda expensive now. And the only significant difference from X30
for me will be resolution.
The problem is i dont know how it will look in reality. What is the
difference between QVGA and VGA?
Any comparison pictures?

I have no idea if it worth to invest in the future right now.

"Sven, MVP-Mobile Devices" <sejohannsen@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:o Y8cqOLAFHA.1084@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> WM2003SE does indeed support VGA and other resolutions as well. It is
also
> important that your hardware be capable of supporting the higher, or
> different resolution. The Dell X50v, does have a 480x640 screen
resolution.
> (the X50's, no 'v', do not) The information displayed by default is not
> substantially different than what QVGA viewers see. It is however
> significantly clearer since they are able to use four times as many pixels
> to display it. It also allows more flexibility in text rendering, because
of
> the increase in pixels, letting smaller and larger text be smoother.
>
> There are third party hacks/apps that let you present information in true
> VGA at the expense of everything being 1/2 (or 1/4) as big. The icons are
> 1/4 the size, the scroll bars are half as wide, etc. A spreadsheet has
twice
> as many rows and columns because they are half as high and half as wide.
> Some folks like that, I personally don't wish to carry a magnifying glass.
>
> There seem to be tweaks that help in the small scroll and menu bar issues,
> but I haven't been too successful myself.
>
> This applies to all the VGA screened PPCs that run WM2003SE.
>
> --
> Sven, MS-MVP Mobile Devices
> "Mike Evteev" <mikeevteev@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:%2372T$6IAFHA.3472@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> > Hi All!
> >
> > Sorry for a stupid question, but i'm new to PDA.
> >
> > I'm going to buy Axim X50, which technically supports VGA.
> > But it's shipped with Windows Mobile 2003 second edition which does not
> > support VGA!
> >
> > Questions:
> >
> > 1. Is it worth to buy such expencive device right now? I can buy X30
much
> > cheaper.
> > 2. Is it possible to upgrade in the future?
> > 3. If so, then when it will be available?
> > 4. Do i really will be able to see whole page on the screen in VGA mode?
> Is
> > that readable?
> >
> > Thanks beforehand!
> >
> >
>
>
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Anonymous
January 22, 2005 7:41:18 PM

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Not more accurate..crisper, cleaner, sharper, those sorts of words. Don't
know where you are but in the US on Dell's site the X50v is $449
X50 mid $359
X30 Hi $314
X30 Mid $279
X50 Low $269
X30 Low $199

Any of those models will do all you want with the exception of Skype. You
will want WiFi to do that, so you can throw out the X30 and X50 Low. You can
install apps for any of those things you listed on either the SD or on the
CF card, and the files as well. Is the VGA of the X50v worth the $90 more
over the next option down? Tough call. For the most part, those that have
VGA love it and wouldn't go back. I'm not as excited about it. I have an X30
Mid and an X50v and while I can see the difference, I'm not sure the price
is worth it. You can certainly put more text on the screen on the X50v, but
whether you can still read it is an individual thing. Since it looks like
you plan to do a lot of reading, note that the X30 does have a rocker on the
side to scroll up and down. The X50 has two buttons that could be programmed
for that, but they aren't as convenient IMHO.

I'm not sure that buying any PPC should be considered an investment in the
future. Best get what meets your needs and you can afford now. Folks who
bought in to Compaq's sleeve concept found their future cast aside. I'm not
sure that Dell's investment in a special VGA chip set is going to be
supported on a wide scale.

If money were really an issue, I'd probably be looking at the top two X30's.
You save a little to be able to buy a big flash card, and won't be so bummed
when the next new line comes out, because you didn't spend all that much on
your now old PPC ;) 


--
Sven, MS-MVP Mobile Devices
"Mike Evteev" <mikeevteev@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:%23XifeDMAFHA.3596@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> Hi Sven!
>
> You say amount of text lines will be the same but text will be more
> accurate?
>
> Actually i do not need a lot of features.
>
> The question is - do i need to spend additional 1-2-3... hundred bucks for
> such feature like VGA?
> What i need is:
> 1. Ability to read *.doc, *.html, *.pdf, *.chm, *.txt
> 2. Have enough space to install dictionary, translator
> 3. Listen mp3
> 4. May be use skype. Not sure yet.
>
> X50v is kinda expensive now. And the only significant difference from X30
> for me will be resolution.
> The problem is i dont know how it will look in reality. What is the
> difference between QVGA and VGA?
> Any comparison pictures?
>
> I have no idea if it worth to invest in the future right now.
>
> "Sven, MVP-Mobile Devices" <sejohannsen@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:o Y8cqOLAFHA.1084@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > WM2003SE does indeed support VGA and other resolutions as well. It is
> also
> > important that your hardware be capable of supporting the higher, or
> > different resolution. The Dell X50v, does have a 480x640 screen
> resolution.
> > (the X50's, no 'v', do not) The information displayed by default is not
> > substantially different than what QVGA viewers see. It is however
> > significantly clearer since they are able to use four times as many
pixels
> > to display it. It also allows more flexibility in text rendering,
because
> of
> > the increase in pixels, letting smaller and larger text be smoother.
> >
> > There are third party hacks/apps that let you present information in
true
> > VGA at the expense of everything being 1/2 (or 1/4) as big. The icons
are
> > 1/4 the size, the scroll bars are half as wide, etc. A spreadsheet has
> twice
> > as many rows and columns because they are half as high and half as wide.
> > Some folks like that, I personally don't wish to carry a magnifying
glass.
> >
> > There seem to be tweaks that help in the small scroll and menu bar
issues,
> > but I haven't been too successful myself.
> >
> > This applies to all the VGA screened PPCs that run WM2003SE.
> >
> > --
> > Sven, MS-MVP Mobile Devices
> > "Mike Evteev" <mikeevteev@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:%2372T$6IAFHA.3472@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> > > Hi All!
> > >
> > > Sorry for a stupid question, but i'm new to PDA.
> > >
> > > I'm going to buy Axim X50, which technically supports VGA.
> > > But it's shipped with Windows Mobile 2003 second edition which does
not
> > > support VGA!
> > >
> > > Questions:
> > >
> > > 1. Is it worth to buy such expencive device right now? I can buy X30
> much
> > > cheaper.
> > > 2. Is it possible to upgrade in the future?
> > > 3. If so, then when it will be available?
> > > 4. Do i really will be able to see whole page on the screen in VGA
mode?
> > Is
> > > that readable?
> > >
> > > Thanks beforehand!
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
Anonymous
January 22, 2005 8:04:50 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.pocketpc (More info?)

"Mike Evteev" <mikeevteev@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:%2372T$6IAFHA.3472@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...

> I'm going to buy Axim X50, which technically supports VGA.
> But it's shipped with Windows Mobile 2003 second edition which does not
> support VGA!
>
> Questions:
>
> 1. Is it worth to buy such expencive device right now? I can buy X30 much
> cheaper.
> 2. Is it possible to upgrade in the future?
> 3. If so, then when it will be available?
> 4. Do i really will be able to see whole page on the screen in VGA mode?
> Is
> that readable?

I'm no Pocket PC expert but I'm sure 2003 SE does support 640x480.

--
Paul Smith,
Yeovil, UK.
http://www.dasmirnov.net/
http://windows.dasmirnov.net/ Windows XP Resource Site.

*Replace nospam with smirnov to reply by e-mail*
Anonymous
January 22, 2005 9:01:11 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.pocketpc (More info?)

Since that's the OS that ships with the X50v (this *is* this model you have,
right?), then it stands to reason that VGA is supported.

"Mike Evteev" <mikeevteev@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:%2372T$6IAFHA.3472@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> Hi All!
>
> Sorry for a stupid question, but i'm new to PDA.
>
> I'm going to buy Axim X50, which technically supports VGA.
> But it's shipped with Windows Mobile 2003 second edition which does not
> support VGA!
>
> Questions:
>
> 1. Is it worth to buy such expencive device right now? I can buy X30 much
> cheaper.
> 2. Is it possible to upgrade in the future?
> 3. If so, then when it will be available?
> 4. Do i really will be able to see whole page on the screen in VGA mode?
Is
> that readable?
>
> Thanks beforehand!
>
>
Anonymous
January 22, 2005 10:45:06 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.pocketpc (More info?)

The situation is even more complicated, because i'm going to gift it to my
wife.
I don't know her reading abilities :-( I mean eyes of cource

I'm a programmer, but never used such stuff like PDA, so i'm kinda outdated
with terms and what is good or bad now.

Why i can't use Skype?

"Sven, MVP-Mobile Devices" <sejohannsen@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ejMyhvNAFHA.2584@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> Not more accurate..crisper, cleaner, sharper, those sorts of words. Don't
> know where you are but in the US on Dell's site the X50v is $449
> X50 mid $359
> X30 Hi $314
> X30 Mid $279
> X50 Low $269
> X30 Low $199
>
> Any of those models will do all you want with the exception of Skype. You
> will want WiFi to do that, so you can throw out the X30 and X50 Low. You
can
> install apps for any of those things you listed on either the SD or on the
> CF card, and the files as well. Is the VGA of the X50v worth the $90 more
> over the next option down? Tough call. For the most part, those that have
> VGA love it and wouldn't go back. I'm not as excited about it. I have an
X30
> Mid and an X50v and while I can see the difference, I'm not sure the price
> is worth it. You can certainly put more text on the screen on the X50v,
but
> whether you can still read it is an individual thing. Since it looks like
> you plan to do a lot of reading, note that the X30 does have a rocker on
the
> side to scroll up and down. The X50 has two buttons that could be
programmed
> for that, but they aren't as convenient IMHO.
>
> I'm not sure that buying any PPC should be considered an investment in the
> future. Best get what meets your needs and you can afford now. Folks who
> bought in to Compaq's sleeve concept found their future cast aside. I'm
not
> sure that Dell's investment in a special VGA chip set is going to be
> supported on a wide scale.
>
> If money were really an issue, I'd probably be looking at the top two
X30's.
> You save a little to be able to buy a big flash card, and won't be so
bummed
> when the next new line comes out, because you didn't spend all that much
on
> your now old PPC ;) 
>
>
> --
> Sven, MS-MVP Mobile Devices
> "Mike Evteev" <mikeevteev@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:%23XifeDMAFHA.3596@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > Hi Sven!
> >
> > You say amount of text lines will be the same but text will be more
> > accurate?
> >
> > Actually i do not need a lot of features.
> >
> > The question is - do i need to spend additional 1-2-3... hundred bucks
for
> > such feature like VGA?
> > What i need is:
> > 1. Ability to read *.doc, *.html, *.pdf, *.chm, *.txt
> > 2. Have enough space to install dictionary, translator
> > 3. Listen mp3
> > 4. May be use skype. Not sure yet.
> >
> > X50v is kinda expensive now. And the only significant difference from
X30
> > for me will be resolution.
> > The problem is i dont know how it will look in reality. What is the
> > difference between QVGA and VGA?
> > Any comparison pictures?
> >
> > I have no idea if it worth to invest in the future right now.
> >
> > "Sven, MVP-Mobile Devices" <sejohannsen@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:o Y8cqOLAFHA.1084@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > > WM2003SE does indeed support VGA and other resolutions as well. It is
> > also
> > > important that your hardware be capable of supporting the higher, or
> > > different resolution. The Dell X50v, does have a 480x640 screen
> > resolution.
> > > (the X50's, no 'v', do not) The information displayed by default is
not
> > > substantially different than what QVGA viewers see. It is however
> > > significantly clearer since they are able to use four times as many
> pixels
> > > to display it. It also allows more flexibility in text rendering,
> because
> > of
> > > the increase in pixels, letting smaller and larger text be smoother.
> > >
> > > There are third party hacks/apps that let you present information in
> true
> > > VGA at the expense of everything being 1/2 (or 1/4) as big. The icons
> are
> > > 1/4 the size, the scroll bars are half as wide, etc. A spreadsheet has
> > twice
> > > as many rows and columns because they are half as high and half as
wide.
> > > Some folks like that, I personally don't wish to carry a magnifying
> glass.
> > >
> > > There seem to be tweaks that help in the small scroll and menu bar
> issues,
> > > but I haven't been too successful myself.
> > >
> > > This applies to all the VGA screened PPCs that run WM2003SE.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Sven, MS-MVP Mobile Devices
> > > "Mike Evteev" <mikeevteev@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > news:%2372T$6IAFHA.3472@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> > > > Hi All!
> > > >
> > > > Sorry for a stupid question, but i'm new to PDA.
> > > >
> > > > I'm going to buy Axim X50, which technically supports VGA.
> > > > But it's shipped with Windows Mobile 2003 second edition which does
> not
> > > > support VGA!
> > > >
> > > > Questions:
> > > >
> > > > 1. Is it worth to buy such expencive device right now? I can buy X30
> > much
> > > > cheaper.
> > > > 2. Is it possible to upgrade in the future?
> > > > 3. If so, then when it will be available?
> > > > 4. Do i really will be able to see whole page on the screen in VGA
> mode?
> > > Is
> > > > that readable?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks beforehand!
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
Anonymous
January 23, 2005 2:18:45 AM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.pocketpc (More info?)

Skype is a wideband Voice over IP system. It works fine over a WiFi link,
but doesn't work worth a darn over low bandwidth such as BT or GPRS. If it
is important to use Skype, you need to have WiFi. You also need to have
access to WiFi HotSpots. If you are in Seattle and want to pay the $20 a
month to T-Mobile to use the HotSpot found in every Starbucks, OK, Skype
might be a good thing. Many places though, you may have trouble finding a
HotSpot.

For your wife huh? You sure she wants one, would use one?

--
Sven, MS-MVP Mobile Devices
"Mike Evteev" <mikeevteev@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:%23OY8YTOAFHA.3236@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> The situation is even more complicated, because i'm going to gift it to my
> wife.
> I don't know her reading abilities :-( I mean eyes of cource
>
> I'm a programmer, but never used such stuff like PDA, so i'm kinda
outdated
> with terms and what is good or bad now.
>
> Why i can't use Skype?
>
> "Sven, MVP-Mobile Devices" <sejohannsen@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:ejMyhvNAFHA.2584@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> > Not more accurate..crisper, cleaner, sharper, those sorts of words.
Don't
> > know where you are but in the US on Dell's site the X50v is $449
> > X50 mid $359
> > X30 Hi $314
> > X30 Mid $279
> > X50 Low $269
> > X30 Low $199
> >
> > Any of those models will do all you want with the exception of Skype.
You
> > will want WiFi to do that, so you can throw out the X30 and X50 Low. You
> can
> > install apps for any of those things you listed on either the SD or on
the
> > CF card, and the files as well. Is the VGA of the X50v worth the $90
more
> > over the next option down? Tough call. For the most part, those that
have
> > VGA love it and wouldn't go back. I'm not as excited about it. I have an
> X30
> > Mid and an X50v and while I can see the difference, I'm not sure the
price
> > is worth it. You can certainly put more text on the screen on the X50v,
> but
> > whether you can still read it is an individual thing. Since it looks
like
> > you plan to do a lot of reading, note that the X30 does have a rocker on
> the
> > side to scroll up and down. The X50 has two buttons that could be
> programmed
> > for that, but they aren't as convenient IMHO.
> >
> > I'm not sure that buying any PPC should be considered an investment in
the
> > future. Best get what meets your needs and you can afford now. Folks who
> > bought in to Compaq's sleeve concept found their future cast aside. I'm
> not
> > sure that Dell's investment in a special VGA chip set is going to be
> > supported on a wide scale.
> >
> > If money were really an issue, I'd probably be looking at the top two
> X30's.
> > You save a little to be able to buy a big flash card, and won't be so
> bummed
> > when the next new line comes out, because you didn't spend all that much
> on
> > your now old PPC ;) 
> >
> >
> > --
> > Sven, MS-MVP Mobile Devices
> > "Mike Evteev" <mikeevteev@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:%23XifeDMAFHA.3596@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > > Hi Sven!
> > >
> > > You say amount of text lines will be the same but text will be more
> > > accurate?
> > >
> > > Actually i do not need a lot of features.
> > >
> > > The question is - do i need to spend additional 1-2-3... hundred bucks
> for
> > > such feature like VGA?
> > > What i need is:
> > > 1. Ability to read *.doc, *.html, *.pdf, *.chm, *.txt
> > > 2. Have enough space to install dictionary, translator
> > > 3. Listen mp3
> > > 4. May be use skype. Not sure yet.
> > >
> > > X50v is kinda expensive now. And the only significant difference from
> X30
> > > for me will be resolution.
> > > The problem is i dont know how it will look in reality. What is the
> > > difference between QVGA and VGA?
> > > Any comparison pictures?
> > >
> > > I have no idea if it worth to invest in the future right now.
> > >
> > > "Sven, MVP-Mobile Devices" <sejohannsen@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:o Y8cqOLAFHA.1084@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > > > WM2003SE does indeed support VGA and other resolutions as well. It
is
> > > also
> > > > important that your hardware be capable of supporting the higher, or
> > > > different resolution. The Dell X50v, does have a 480x640 screen
> > > resolution.
> > > > (the X50's, no 'v', do not) The information displayed by default is
> not
> > > > substantially different than what QVGA viewers see. It is however
> > > > significantly clearer since they are able to use four times as many
> > pixels
> > > > to display it. It also allows more flexibility in text rendering,
> > because
> > > of
> > > > the increase in pixels, letting smaller and larger text be smoother.
> > > >
> > > > There are third party hacks/apps that let you present information in
> > true
> > > > VGA at the expense of everything being 1/2 (or 1/4) as big. The
icons
> > are
> > > > 1/4 the size, the scroll bars are half as wide, etc. A spreadsheet
has
> > > twice
> > > > as many rows and columns because they are half as high and half as
> wide.
> > > > Some folks like that, I personally don't wish to carry a magnifying
> > glass.
> > > >
> > > > There seem to be tweaks that help in the small scroll and menu bar
> > issues,
> > > > but I haven't been too successful myself.
> > > >
> > > > This applies to all the VGA screened PPCs that run WM2003SE.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Sven, MS-MVP Mobile Devices
> > > > "Mike Evteev" <mikeevteev@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:%2372T$6IAFHA.3472@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> > > > > Hi All!
> > > > >
> > > > > Sorry for a stupid question, but i'm new to PDA.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm going to buy Axim X50, which technically supports VGA.
> > > > > But it's shipped with Windows Mobile 2003 second edition which
does
> > not
> > > > > support VGA!
> > > > >
> > > > > Questions:
> > > > >
> > > > > 1. Is it worth to buy such expencive device right now? I can buy
X30
> > > much
> > > > > cheaper.
> > > > > 2. Is it possible to upgrade in the future?
> > > > > 3. If so, then when it will be available?
> > > > > 4. Do i really will be able to see whole page on the screen in VGA
> > mode?
> > > > Is
> > > > > that readable?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks beforehand!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
Anonymous
January 23, 2005 5:17:18 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.pocketpc (More info?)

Hi Sven!

Sorry for stupid questions.
I have several hot spots around.
I thought that will give me free access to the net. You say i have to pay.
Is that correct?

My wife definitly wants something to be able to read eBooks on the way.
I thought i can find something for this matter only, but seems like big
publishing companies killed all simple ebook readers. No such devices in
production now. Only can find used on ebay.

Then i started to search PDA market. My wish list was expanded at that
moment.
I've imagined that if she wants to read books, then she probably want some
translation and dictionary features (we are russian). After short research
i've found that PalmOS is probably half dead.
And i started to look on PPC side. As far as major concern was text
readability i've ended with X50v. That is the story.

But I still do not feel comfortable with that decision, mainly because of
money.
I can't imagine myself using PDA right now, so i have no idea what i need.
But if you have decent device, then you probably can find how to use it. I
expect to have in use for several years, so it might be good idea to have
some room for future OS upgrades. Isn't it.

I afraid to be boring, but it will help a lot if you can put some
screenshots from your x50.
Same text with different font size, startting from smalest you can read and
until you fill comfortable.
Is that doable?



"Sven, MVP-Mobile Devices" <sejohannsen@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:eVzwoNRAFHA.3820@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> Skype is a wideband Voice over IP system. It works fine over a WiFi link,
> but doesn't work worth a darn over low bandwidth such as BT or GPRS. If it
> is important to use Skype, you need to have WiFi. You also need to have
> access to WiFi HotSpots. If you are in Seattle and want to pay the $20 a
> month to T-Mobile to use the HotSpot found in every Starbucks, OK, Skype
> might be a good thing. Many places though, you may have trouble finding a
> HotSpot.
>
> For your wife huh? You sure she wants one, would use one?
>
> --
> Sven, MS-MVP Mobile Devices
> "Mike Evteev" <mikeevteev@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:%23OY8YTOAFHA.3236@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> > The situation is even more complicated, because i'm going to gift it to
my
> > wife.
> > I don't know her reading abilities :-( I mean eyes of cource
> >
> > I'm a programmer, but never used such stuff like PDA, so i'm kinda
> outdated
> > with terms and what is good or bad now.
> >
> > Why i can't use Skype?
> >
> > "Sven, MVP-Mobile Devices" <sejohannsen@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:ejMyhvNAFHA.2584@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> > > Not more accurate..crisper, cleaner, sharper, those sorts of words.
> Don't
> > > know where you are but in the US on Dell's site the X50v is $449
> > > X50 mid $359
> > > X30 Hi $314
> > > X30 Mid $279
> > > X50 Low $269
> > > X30 Low $199
> > >
> > > Any of those models will do all you want with the exception of Skype.
> You
> > > will want WiFi to do that, so you can throw out the X30 and X50 Low.
You
> > can
> > > install apps for any of those things you listed on either the SD or on
> the
> > > CF card, and the files as well. Is the VGA of the X50v worth the $90
> more
> > > over the next option down? Tough call. For the most part, those that
> have
> > > VGA love it and wouldn't go back. I'm not as excited about it. I have
an
> > X30
> > > Mid and an X50v and while I can see the difference, I'm not sure the
> price
> > > is worth it. You can certainly put more text on the screen on the
X50v,
> > but
> > > whether you can still read it is an individual thing. Since it looks
> like
> > > you plan to do a lot of reading, note that the X30 does have a rocker
on
> > the
> > > side to scroll up and down. The X50 has two buttons that could be
> > programmed
> > > for that, but they aren't as convenient IMHO.
> > >
> > > I'm not sure that buying any PPC should be considered an investment in
> the
> > > future. Best get what meets your needs and you can afford now. Folks
who
> > > bought in to Compaq's sleeve concept found their future cast aside.
I'm
> > not
> > > sure that Dell's investment in a special VGA chip set is going to be
> > > supported on a wide scale.
> > >
> > > If money were really an issue, I'd probably be looking at the top two
> > X30's.
> > > You save a little to be able to buy a big flash card, and won't be so
> > bummed
> > > when the next new line comes out, because you didn't spend all that
much
> > on
> > > your now old PPC ;) 
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Sven, MS-MVP Mobile Devices
> > > "Mike Evteev" <mikeevteev@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > news:%23XifeDMAFHA.3596@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > > > Hi Sven!
> > > >
> > > > You say amount of text lines will be the same but text will be more
> > > > accurate?
> > > >
> > > > Actually i do not need a lot of features.
> > > >
> > > > The question is - do i need to spend additional 1-2-3... hundred
bucks
> > for
> > > > such feature like VGA?
> > > > What i need is:
> > > > 1. Ability to read *.doc, *.html, *.pdf, *.chm, *.txt
> > > > 2. Have enough space to install dictionary, translator
> > > > 3. Listen mp3
> > > > 4. May be use skype. Not sure yet.
> > > >
> > > > X50v is kinda expensive now. And the only significant difference
from
> > X30
> > > > for me will be resolution.
> > > > The problem is i dont know how it will look in reality. What is the
> > > > difference between QVGA and VGA?
> > > > Any comparison pictures?
> > > >
> > > > I have no idea if it worth to invest in the future right now.
> > > >
> > > > "Sven, MVP-Mobile Devices" <sejohannsen@hotmail.com> wrote in
message
> > > > news:o Y8cqOLAFHA.1084@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > > > > WM2003SE does indeed support VGA and other resolutions as well.
It
> is
> > > > also
> > > > > important that your hardware be capable of supporting the higher,
or
> > > > > different resolution. The Dell X50v, does have a 480x640 screen
> > > > resolution.
> > > > > (the X50's, no 'v', do not) The information displayed by default
is
> > not
> > > > > substantially different than what QVGA viewers see. It is however
> > > > > significantly clearer since they are able to use four times as
many
> > > pixels
> > > > > to display it. It also allows more flexibility in text rendering,
> > > because
> > > > of
> > > > > the increase in pixels, letting smaller and larger text be
smoother.
> > > > >
> > > > > There are third party hacks/apps that let you present information
in
> > > true
> > > > > VGA at the expense of everything being 1/2 (or 1/4) as big. The
> icons
> > > are
> > > > > 1/4 the size, the scroll bars are half as wide, etc. A spreadsheet
> has
> > > > twice
> > > > > as many rows and columns because they are half as high and half as
> > wide.
> > > > > Some folks like that, I personally don't wish to carry a
magnifying
> > > glass.
> > > > >
> > > > > There seem to be tweaks that help in the small scroll and menu bar
> > > issues,
> > > > > but I haven't been too successful myself.
> > > > >
> > > > > This applies to all the VGA screened PPCs that run WM2003SE.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Sven, MS-MVP Mobile Devices
> > > > > "Mike Evteev" <mikeevteev@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:%2372T$6IAFHA.3472@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> > > > > > Hi All!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sorry for a stupid question, but i'm new to PDA.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm going to buy Axim X50, which technically supports VGA.
> > > > > > But it's shipped with Windows Mobile 2003 second edition which
> does
> > > not
> > > > > > support VGA!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Questions:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1. Is it worth to buy such expencive device right now? I can buy
> X30
> > > > much
> > > > > > cheaper.
> > > > > > 2. Is it possible to upgrade in the future?
> > > > > > 3. If so, then when it will be available?
> > > > > > 4. Do i really will be able to see whole page on the screen in
VGA
> > > mode?
> > > > > Is
> > > > > > that readable?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks beforehand!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
Anonymous
January 23, 2005 10:46:51 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.pocketpc (More info?)

You're Russian? Are you in Russia? I wouldn't have a clue as to the free
WiFi hotspot situation there. Here (US) there are free and pay and it
matters a great deal where you live. In my town there are dozens of pay
sites, Starbucks, Hotels, etc, but few free ones. Other places nearly the
whole town is blanketed with free WiFi.

As for screen shots. I'd recommend just going to google and checking the
reviews. Many have screen comparisons. I have never been very good at taking
pictures of PPC screens, and I don't think screen captures really give you a
good comparison. You must understand that my wife and I are at reading
glasses stage in our lives, so what may be hard for us may be perfectly
acceptable to you and your wife's eyes.

When it comes down to it, $314 (X30Hi) to $449(X50v) is a big difference,
and if the major requirement is e-books there is nothing wrong with the $279
X30Mid. Mine works just fine. I see the X30 struggle more with video
playback with it's 312Mhz processor, but it also is easier on the batteries.
I can tell you the X30Mid does Skype just fine, regardless of their 400Mhz
requirement. It even has a BT Headset profile so you could use a BT headset
with it. It has a healthy Built-In-Storage area, so you can load e-book
readers in user ROM, and store all your books on flash cards. $170
($449-$279) will buy a lot of reader programs and flash cards. WM2003SE on
the X30 will do landscape and portrait, and while the device is a box, it
stands up very nicely in either orientation, which has advantages over the
nicely rounded form of the X50 in some situations.

Whatever you get, it is not going to be obsolete and unusable when the next
model comes out, and I wouldn't hold my breath on any of them being
upgraded. Assume you get what you get, and if it works for you, it will
continue to work for you, for many years actually. There are always posts
from folks just now giving up their Jornada 548s after 4-5 years of use.


--
Sven, MS-MVP Mobile Devices
"Mike Evteev" <mikeevteev@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:%23Vlo2AYAFHA.2552@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> Hi Sven!
>
> Sorry for stupid questions.
> I have several hot spots around.
> I thought that will give me free access to the net. You say i have to pay.
> Is that correct?
>
> My wife definitly wants something to be able to read eBooks on the way.
> I thought i can find something for this matter only, but seems like big
> publishing companies killed all simple ebook readers. No such devices in
> production now. Only can find used on ebay.
>
> Then i started to search PDA market. My wish list was expanded at that
> moment.
> I've imagined that if she wants to read books, then she probably want some
> translation and dictionary features (we are russian). After short research
> i've found that PalmOS is probably half dead.
> And i started to look on PPC side. As far as major concern was text
> readability i've ended with X50v. That is the story.
>
> But I still do not feel comfortable with that decision, mainly because of
> money.
> I can't imagine myself using PDA right now, so i have no idea what i need.
> But if you have decent device, then you probably can find how to use it. I
> expect to have in use for several years, so it might be good idea to have
> some room for future OS upgrades. Isn't it.
>
> I afraid to be boring, but it will help a lot if you can put some
> screenshots from your x50.
> Same text with different font size, startting from smalest you can read
and
> until you fill comfortable.
> Is that doable?
>
>
>
> "Sven, MVP-Mobile Devices" <sejohannsen@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:eVzwoNRAFHA.3820@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> > Skype is a wideband Voice over IP system. It works fine over a WiFi
link,
> > but doesn't work worth a darn over low bandwidth such as BT or GPRS. If
it
> > is important to use Skype, you need to have WiFi. You also need to have
> > access to WiFi HotSpots. If you are in Seattle and want to pay the $20
a
> > month to T-Mobile to use the HotSpot found in every Starbucks, OK, Skype
> > might be a good thing. Many places though, you may have trouble finding
a
> > HotSpot.
> >
> > For your wife huh? You sure she wants one, would use one?
> >
> > --
> > Sven, MS-MVP Mobile Devices
> > "Mike Evteev" <mikeevteev@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:%23OY8YTOAFHA.3236@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> > > The situation is even more complicated, because i'm going to gift it
to
> my
> > > wife.
> > > I don't know her reading abilities :-( I mean eyes of cource
> > >
> > > I'm a programmer, but never used such stuff like PDA, so i'm kinda
> > outdated
> > > with terms and what is good or bad now.
> > >
> > > Why i can't use Skype?
> > >
> > > "Sven, MVP-Mobile Devices" <sejohannsen@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:ejMyhvNAFHA.2584@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> > > > Not more accurate..crisper, cleaner, sharper, those sorts of words.
> > Don't
> > > > know where you are but in the US on Dell's site the X50v is $449
> > > > X50 mid $359
> > > > X30 Hi $314
> > > > X30 Mid $279
> > > > X50 Low $269
> > > > X30 Low $199
> > > >
> > > > Any of those models will do all you want with the exception of
Skype.
> > You
> > > > will want WiFi to do that, so you can throw out the X30 and X50 Low.
> You
> > > can
> > > > install apps for any of those things you listed on either the SD or
on
> > the
> > > > CF card, and the files as well. Is the VGA of the X50v worth the
$90
> > more
> > > > over the next option down? Tough call. For the most part, those that
> > have
> > > > VGA love it and wouldn't go back. I'm not as excited about it. I
have
> an
> > > X30
> > > > Mid and an X50v and while I can see the difference, I'm not sure the
> > price
> > > > is worth it. You can certainly put more text on the screen on the
> X50v,
> > > but
> > > > whether you can still read it is an individual thing. Since it
looks
> > like
> > > > you plan to do a lot of reading, note that the X30 does have a
rocker
> on
> > > the
> > > > side to scroll up and down. The X50 has two buttons that could be
> > > programmed
> > > > for that, but they aren't as convenient IMHO.
> > > >
> > > > I'm not sure that buying any PPC should be considered an investment
in
> > the
> > > > future. Best get what meets your needs and you can afford now. Folks
> who
> > > > bought in to Compaq's sleeve concept found their future cast aside.
> I'm
> > > not
> > > > sure that Dell's investment in a special VGA chip set is going to be
> > > > supported on a wide scale.
> > > >
> > > > If money were really an issue, I'd probably be looking at the top
two
> > > X30's.
> > > > You save a little to be able to buy a big flash card, and won't be
so
> > > bummed
> > > > when the next new line comes out, because you didn't spend all that
> much
> > > on
> > > > your now old PPC ;) 
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Sven, MS-MVP Mobile Devices
> > > > "Mike Evteev" <mikeevteev@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:%23XifeDMAFHA.3596@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > > > > Hi Sven!
> > > > >
> > > > > You say amount of text lines will be the same but text will be
more
> > > > > accurate?
> > > > >
> > > > > Actually i do not need a lot of features.
> > > > >
> > > > > The question is - do i need to spend additional 1-2-3... hundred
> bucks
> > > for
> > > > > such feature like VGA?
> > > > > What i need is:
> > > > > 1. Ability to read *.doc, *.html, *.pdf, *.chm, *.txt
> > > > > 2. Have enough space to install dictionary, translator
> > > > > 3. Listen mp3
> > > > > 4. May be use skype. Not sure yet.
> > > > >
> > > > > X50v is kinda expensive now. And the only significant difference
> from
> > > X30
> > > > > for me will be resolution.
> > > > > The problem is i dont know how it will look in reality. What is
the
> > > > > difference between QVGA and VGA?
> > > > > Any comparison pictures?
> > > > >
> > > > > I have no idea if it worth to invest in the future right now.
> > > > >
> > > > > "Sven, MVP-Mobile Devices" <sejohannsen@hotmail.com> wrote in
> message
> > > > > news:o Y8cqOLAFHA.1084@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > > > > > WM2003SE does indeed support VGA and other resolutions as well.
> It
> > is
> > > > > also
> > > > > > important that your hardware be capable of supporting the
higher,
> or
> > > > > > different resolution. The Dell X50v, does have a 480x640 screen
> > > > > resolution.
> > > > > > (the X50's, no 'v', do not) The information displayed by default
> is
> > > not
> > > > > > substantially different than what QVGA viewers see. It is
however
> > > > > > significantly clearer since they are able to use four times as
> many
> > > > pixels
> > > > > > to display it. It also allows more flexibility in text
rendering,
> > > > because
> > > > > of
> > > > > > the increase in pixels, letting smaller and larger text be
> smoother.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There are third party hacks/apps that let you present
information
> in
> > > > true
> > > > > > VGA at the expense of everything being 1/2 (or 1/4) as big. The
> > icons
> > > > are
> > > > > > 1/4 the size, the scroll bars are half as wide, etc. A
spreadsheet
> > has
> > > > > twice
> > > > > > as many rows and columns because they are half as high and half
as
> > > wide.
> > > > > > Some folks like that, I personally don't wish to carry a
> magnifying
> > > > glass.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There seem to be tweaks that help in the small scroll and menu
bar
> > > > issues,
> > > > > > but I haven't been too successful myself.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This applies to all the VGA screened PPCs that run WM2003SE.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Sven, MS-MVP Mobile Devices
> > > > > > "Mike Evteev" <mikeevteev@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:%2372T$6IAFHA.3472@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> > > > > > > Hi All!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sorry for a stupid question, but i'm new to PDA.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'm going to buy Axim X50, which technically supports VGA.
> > > > > > > But it's shipped with Windows Mobile 2003 second edition which
> > does
> > > > not
> > > > > > > support VGA!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Questions:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 1. Is it worth to buy such expencive device right now? I can
buy
> > X30
> > > > > much
> > > > > > > cheaper.
> > > > > > > 2. Is it possible to upgrade in the future?
> > > > > > > 3. If so, then when it will be available?
> > > > > > > 4. Do i really will be able to see whole page on the screen in
> VGA
> > > > mode?
> > > > > > Is
> > > > > > > that readable?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks beforehand!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
Anonymous
January 24, 2005 2:36:22 AM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.pocketpc (More info?)

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 14:17:18 -0500, "Mike Evteev"
<mikeevteev@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Hi Sven!
>
>Sorry for stupid questions.
>I have several hot spots around.
>I thought that will give me free access to the net. You say i have to pay.
>Is that correct?

You *may* have to pay. But it could be just the cost of an overpriced
coffee in the case of starbucks. Some pubs near me have wifi
installed, so you can have a pint, read their newspaper *and* surf the
web, quite groovy.

Some hotspots are open intentionally or by accident. I'd consider it
not too bad to use those for free, as a PDA user you're hardly likely
to be downloading movies over several days and tying up their
bandwidth - the odd email and avantgo sync, maybe the bbc news or
whatever. So if it's in range and not locked, IMHO it's probably ok.

>My wife definitly wants something to be able to read eBooks on the way.

I've got hundreds of ebooks on my SD card. Mostly though they're old
novels, over 50 years and the publishers have relinquished copyright
on the works. You won't find many new ebooks without paying for them,
and I was always of the mind I'd rather have a real book in that case
;-)

>I can't imagine myself using PDA right now, so i have no idea what i need.

Maybe you can also consider "audio books" which are often available
for blind people on tape or CD. Copy them to the device. Good to
listen on-the-go while keeping your hands free to do other work.

Cheers - Neil
!