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September 24, 2006 3:02:41 PM

Hello,

I'm planning to buy a DELL computer and I have two options:

1. Dimension E521

PROCESSOR AMD® Athlon™ 64 X2 Processor 5000+
OPERATING SYSTEM Genuine Windows® XP Professional SP2
MEMORY 2GB Dual Channel DDR2 533MHz [4x512MB] Memory
HARD DRIVE 160GB (7200rpm) Serial ATA Hard Drive with 8MB DataBurst™ cache
OPTICAL DRIVE(S) 16 X DVD +/- RW Drive
GRAPHICS CARD 256MB nVidia GeForce 7300 Turbocache graphics card
MONITOR Dell™ 19" Value Flat Panel (E196FP)
SOUND CARDS Integrated 7.1 Channel High Definition Audio
KEYBOARD Dell™ Entry Quietkey USB Keyboard - UK/Ire (QWERTY)
MOUSE Dell 2 Button USB Scroll Optical Mouse - Black

2. Dimension E520

PROCESSOR Intel® Core® 2 Duo® E6300 Processor (1.86GHz, 1066MHz, 2MB)
OPERATING SYSTEM Genuine Windows® XP Home Edition
MEMORY 2048MB Dual Channel DDR 533MHz [4x512MB] Memory
HARD DRIVE 320GB (7200rpm) Serial ATA Hard Drive with 8MB DataBurst™ cache
OPTICAL DRIVE(S) 16X DVD+/-RW Drive
GRAPHICS CARD 256MB nVidia GeForce 7300 Turbocache graphics card
MONITOR Dell™ 19" Value Flat Panel (E196FP)
SOUND CARDS Integrated Audio with Dolby Digital 7.1 capability
KEYBOARD Dell™ Black Entry Quietkey USB Keyboard - UK/Ire (QWERTY)
MOUSE Dell USB 2 Button Wheel Mouse - Black

The systems cost about 950 EUR each.

Which one do you think is best?

Thanks.

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September 24, 2006 3:36:22 PM

some advice: dont buy dell. i'm sure others will agree with me
September 24, 2006 3:37:10 PM

this for home or office?
for home id go with Core 2 (more hd space)
for office id go with AMD 64 (win xp pro)

everything else is pratically the same, though the a64 would be limited by ddr2 533 ram. (unless its extremely tightly timed at cas 2...)
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September 24, 2006 3:40:19 PM

Neither. Build it yourself.
September 24, 2006 3:43:13 PM

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Neither. Build it yourself.
I second that
September 24, 2006 3:46:46 PM

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Neither. Build it yourself.
I second that
i third that.. for that money you can make your self a pretty nice pc :) 
September 24, 2006 3:49:09 PM

Have you priced the components? I'm sure you'll find that they are cheaper than buying from dell. For the same price as either model, you can probably get better components.
September 24, 2006 3:51:08 PM

To follow on from what lots of others have said, don't buy a Dell if you can help it. They're cheap, tacky and plasticy. Plus their support can be pretty lousy too.
September 24, 2006 3:52:44 PM

I had 2 DELL computers so far and I am quite happy about them...why should I not buy a DELL computer?
September 24, 2006 3:53:08 PM

not to mention expensive if you need compnents replaced
September 24, 2006 3:54:27 PM

because as great as your two Dell's were .. for the cash that you are about to blow on this dell you can make a system that is much better. for the same price... so what is holding you back?
September 24, 2006 3:57:56 PM

because they do all this Propiotery format stuff which makes it expensive to replace aprts as you can only buy them from dell therefore they can charge whatever they like
September 24, 2006 4:06:43 PM

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Neither. Build it yourself.
I second that
i third that.. for that money you can make your self a pretty nice pc :) 

Correction, you can make a VERY nice PC for that kinda money. Water cooling, Core 2, x1800xt etc etc. Will run rings around those dells.
a b à CPUs
September 24, 2006 4:26:03 PM

That's a touchy question to ask here, as this forum is really aimed at the enthusiast builder. Very, very few people here would ever recommend buying Dell, Gateway, or whatever. These systems are the scum of the PC world to the self builders.

But if you like Dell, don't want to mess with the do it yourself stuff, like being able to open the box, fill out the warranty papers, plug it in and go, it's your choice.

What do you mainly use your PC for?
September 24, 2006 4:28:54 PM

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I had 2 DELL computers so far and I am quite happy about them...why should I not buy a DELL computer?


Because as a former DELL customer with 3 (three) of their systems, I have learned just how much they have ripped me off.

5 years ago their customer service was second-to-none. Now, it's a never-ending string of transfers from one department to the next, with every one of those transfers requiring a minimum wait of 20 minutes. You speak to Indians with accents so thick that they require subtitles to understand. Even some of the sales staff is now Indian!

Price competitiveness: GONE. 5 years ago you could build an equivalent top-of-the-line system for less. Now, you pay far, far more. I did a couple of experiments with their price lists... I built a loaded E6300 for 500$ less than what Dell asked for. This lower price included only the best parts, whereas Dell uses a lot of generics of questionable quality (especially for their motherboards, which they build themselves). This price also included an installation fee, and yes, Windows XP home.

Dell is garbage. Buy from them at your own risk.
September 24, 2006 4:33:00 PM

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But if you like Dell, don't want to mess with the do it yourself stuff, like being able to open the box, fill out the warranty papers, plug it in and go, it's your choice.


This is where you are wrong. You can buy from a PC Hardware store which builds the system on site and gives a warranty ranging from 1 to 4 years. All of this, BETTER PARTS, BETTER SERVICE, BETTER PRICE than Dell and it's just as easy to install.
September 24, 2006 4:38:35 PM

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I had 2 DELL computers so far and I am quite happy about them...why should I not buy a DELL computer?

Becouse DELL is not what it used to be. The quality of its configuration parts is reduced, and they are not competetive in performance, price and future-compatibility like other parts that you can find on the market.

I share the same opinion like some members here about this question:
"Don't buy DELL"!
a b à CPUs
September 24, 2006 4:43:29 PM

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But if you like Dell, don't want to mess with the do it yourself stuff, like being able to open the box, fill out the warranty papers, plug it in and go, it's your choice.


This is where you are wrong. You can buy from a PC Hardware store which builds the system on site and gives a warranty ranging from 1 to 4 years. All of this, BETTER PARTS, BETTER SERVICE, BETTER PRICE than Dell and it's just as easy to install.

Did I say that buying from Dell is better than a local shop? Please, I beg you to explain oh-wise-one exactly what I am wrong about?
September 24, 2006 4:57:18 PM

Yeah, the other guys have a definite point.

You can usually get the best price:p erformance for a new system by just building it yourself. It's a good option if you have the time to be your own tech support and are competent enough to assemble and configure it properly. Though all of the individual parts will have warranties, it can be a hassle to have to identify problematic parts and RMA them, etc. if something goes wrong.

Dell, on the other hand, has a downright awful price:p erformance compared to a self-build. I've heard from some that their customer support is okay, though some say it's awful (see above posts). They do ship you a fully-assembled box with Windows installed, but you're paying dearly for it if you buy from them.

A good compromise option would be to order from a system builder. Since they are in the business of making money, you won't get as good a deal as building yourself since you'll pay for the hardware and a little extra for their trouble, but the hardware will be much better than the generic garbage dell uses and the support very good if you buy from a reputable one.
September 24, 2006 5:25:50 PM

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A good compromise option would be to order from a system builder. Since they are in the business of making money, you won't get as good a deal as building yourself since you'll pay for the hardware and a little extra for their trouble, but the hardware will be much better than the generic garbage dell uses and the support very good if you buy from a reputable one.


I totally agree on this point. Yes this is a enthusiast forum but this thread isn't aimed at build it your self. Theres actually a section designed just for that. Don't believe me? Look right here
If you don't know your way around computers (to the OP I'm not stating that you don't just stating generalities) Dell or any of the other prebuilt companies is the best option cause face it, you ain't gonna be mucking around inside the case.
The majority of us forget that not everyone know what the CMOS is, or knows how to fashion a watercooling setup, or knows the ins and outs of overclocking.
But there are companies that prebuild better than Dell, the only difference will be price. As the old saying goes though, you get what you pay for...
For more help on prebuilt computers look in the Consumer Electronics section over here. This section deals exclusively with Dell but there are sections in CE that deal with other companies.
Peace to all my peoples,
Dasick

+1 Suckas
September 24, 2006 5:26:59 PM

Unlike the others, I'm not going to suggest that you forget Dell and build a system, as I've gone through (and still am going through) the frustration of troubleshooting/fixing a custom-built PC. If you get a Dell, and it breaks during the warranty period, they fix it for you for free.

Anyways, the second system (the one with the Core 2 Duo) is better, as it has a faster processor, and a bigger hard drive.
September 24, 2006 5:36:10 PM

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Anyways, the second system (the one with the Core 2 Duo) is better, as it has a faster processor, and a bigger hard drive.


I was pretty sure that the x2 5000+ was faster than the E6300, i'll have to find some benchies but don't have the time at the moment. I'll post some later and find out whether i'm right or wrong.

I'd get the Intel system, just cos I have a preference for Intel (fanboyism?).
September 24, 2006 5:37:14 PM

if you are not gaming, then either should do just fine
you can always upgrade the videocard later if needed
i have a couple of old dells and they are rock solid reliable.
not up to par nowadays. but they still work
September 24, 2006 5:40:29 PM

Not fanboyism just logic speaking out. We've seen Intel do better with its Core 2 system than most of what AMD offers. So its the thinkking part of your brain that says so.
But the X2 5000+ higher than the E6400 (couldn't find the E6300) so I'd hazard a guess and say go with it instead.
September 24, 2006 5:41:25 PM

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Hello,

I'm planning to buy a DELL computer and I have two options:

1. Dimension E521

PROCESSOR AMD® Athlon™ 64 X2 Processor 5000+
OPERATING SYSTEM Genuine Windows® XP Professional SP2
MEMORY 2GB Dual Channel DDR2 533MHz [4x512MB] Memory
HARD DRIVE 160GB (7200rpm) Serial ATA Hard Drive with 8MB DataBurst™ cache
OPTICAL DRIVE(S) 16 X DVD +/- RW Drive
GRAPHICS CARD 256MB nVidia GeForce 7300 Turbocache graphics card
MONITOR Dell™ 19" Value Flat Panel (E196FP)
SOUND CARDS Integrated 7.1 Channel High Definition Audio
KEYBOARD Dell™ Entry Quietkey USB Keyboard - UK/Ire (QWERTY)
MOUSE Dell 2 Button USB Scroll Optical Mouse - Black

2. Dimension E520

PROCESSOR Intel® Core® 2 Duo® E6300 Processor (1.86GHz, 1066MHz, 2MB)
OPERATING SYSTEM Genuine Windows® XP Home Edition
MEMORY 2048MB Dual Channel DDR 533MHz [4x512MB] Memory
HARD DRIVE 320GB (7200rpm) Serial ATA Hard Drive with 8MB DataBurst™ cache
OPTICAL DRIVE(S) 16X DVD+/-RW Drive
GRAPHICS CARD 256MB nVidia GeForce 7300 Turbocache graphics card
MONITOR Dell™ 19" Value Flat Panel (E196FP)
SOUND CARDS Integrated Audio with Dolby Digital 7.1 capability
KEYBOARD Dell™ Black Entry Quietkey USB Keyboard - UK/Ire (QWERTY)
MOUSE Dell USB 2 Button Wheel Mouse - Black

The systems cost about 950 EUR each.

Which one do you think is best?

Thanks.



5000+ will be faster than E6300 generally. Neither one will have great OC abilities being from Dell, so the best bang is 5000+.
September 24, 2006 5:41:47 PM

If you have to get a prebuilt system then go with Mesh computers, or another company that has a reputation for good value and performance. I can't see why everyone doesn't build their own, except for having a lack of confidence in themselves. I think that an idiot could put a computer together if they read the right websites, and save themselves from being fleeced in the process.
September 24, 2006 5:44:49 PM

I want to use it mainly for software development (C++/java applications)...that's why I need 2 GB ram, fast HDD, fast processor...
September 24, 2006 5:46:42 PM

Said idiots usually forget about small things, like standoffs.....
If you feel you're going to totally and terribly screw it up, leave someone else to do it for you.
September 24, 2006 5:51:47 PM

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I had 2 DELL computers so far and I am quite happy about them...why should I not buy a DELL computer?


Dell makes good laptops and sucky desktops. They are not the same Dell that kicked everybodies butts 2-3 years ago. The quality is no longer there as they have driven the price down to the bottom.

They use the BTX form factor and propriatary cases so it's not east to fix anything. Repair and replacement parts are VERY expensive. I just spent nearly $500 repalcing the MB on a lightning struck laptop. It took four calls and nearly 4 hours of phone time to get things moving. Dell's customer service now rivals Packard Bells in their hayday in my opinion.

If you don't want to build your own, find a local shop that builds ATX copmputers and have them put the components together. You will get better quality and an upgradable system.

Oh, Dell does have some fine LCD's though...
September 24, 2006 6:00:02 PM

Its kinda funny to post what kind of Dell to get on a Hardware forum where 99% of the people here has put together their own computer here.

Build your own system and have pride in it.
September 24, 2006 6:02:58 PM

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Its kinda funny to post what kind of Dell to get on a Hardware forum where 99% of the people here has put together their own computer here.

Build your own system and have pride in it.


i agree its much more fun to build one your self and it saves money.
September 24, 2006 7:22:38 PM

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I want to use it mainly for software development (C++/java applications)...that's why I need 2 GB ram, fast HDD, fast processor...



Core 2 is just catching up with Athlon compiler speed and the 6300 will not bridge the gap. If you want one of those go for the 5000+. EVen the Intel compiler runs faster on K8.

Google K8 compiler tests.
September 24, 2006 7:26:30 PM

Take your romantic relationship with AMD somewhere else, forum scum.
pc++;

EDIT: The 5000+ is faster than the E6300, but I have to troll BaronMatrix's posts.
September 24, 2006 7:39:23 PM

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Take your romantic relationship with AMD somewhere else, forum scum.
pc++;

EDIT: The 5000+ is faster than the E6300, but I have to troll BaronMatrix's posts.


SO you finally admit it?
September 24, 2006 7:43:22 PM

The 5000+ is obviously faster than the E6300, I never stated otherwise.

I troll your posts because they're troll FUD posts. I fight trolling with trolling.
September 24, 2006 7:43:59 PM

Like fire with fire?
September 24, 2006 7:51:23 PM

You mean complementary-symmetry metal–oxide–semiconductor?
September 24, 2006 7:51:24 PM

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The 5000+ is obviously faster than the E6300, I never stated otherwise.

I troll your posts because they're troll FUD posts. I fight trolling with trolling.


Find the post where i spread uncertainty about Intel. Sure I believe like everyone else that the FSB is antiquated and has problems when saturated, merely because north bridge and south bridge and memory requests have to share the FSB. K8 separates the requests. All mem IO goes over HT.
September 24, 2006 7:53:13 PM

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You mean complementary-symmetry metal–oxide–semiconductor?

A wise man speakth :lol: 
September 24, 2006 7:53:56 PM

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The 5000+ is obviously faster than the E6300, I never stated otherwise.

I troll your posts because they're troll FUD posts. I fight trolling with trolling.


Find the post where i spread uncertainty about Intel. Sure I believe like everyone else that the FSB is antiquated and has problems when saturated, merely because north bridge and south bridge and memory requests have to share the FSB. K8 separates the requests. All mem IO goes over HT.

It still works though. Look at Kentsfield.
September 24, 2006 7:54:53 PM

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Find the post where i spread uncertainty about Intel.


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FUD is the fear, uncertainty, and doubt that IBM sales people instill in the minds of potential customers who might be considering Amdahl products.


FUD is the fear, uncertainty, and doubt that AMD sales people instill in the minds of potential customers who might be considering Intel products.
September 24, 2006 7:58:54 PM

Seconded.
September 24, 2006 8:16:19 PM

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I want to use it mainly for software development (C++/java applications)...that's why I need 2 GB ram, fast HDD, fast processor...



Core 2 is just catching up with Athlon compiler speed and the 6300 will not bridge the gap. If you want one of those go for the 5000+. EVen the Intel compiler runs faster on K8.

Google K8 compiler tests.

How about providing the link instead. It is a question of man hours. For you, who obviously has already searched and read the links it would take a minute or two, but you expect everyone else to do this work.... again, it does not do you well to take this approach.


I could not possibly remember the location of every review I have ever read. It never seems to matter anyway. Hell, even posting a souvenir blue badge hasn't mattered.
September 24, 2006 8:23:01 PM

good an easy question, NONE, dell are shit

if you are toparaletic to build one at least get a mesh

(and if someone put a gun to your head go with the core 2 duo system)

i hope this helps
September 24, 2006 8:32:16 PM

The thing is when you wan to post some information, saying go look it up when debating a point makes you lose serious credabilty.
September 24, 2006 8:39:00 PM

Please, please, please don't buy a Dell. They are ok machines for normal tasks, but a more powerful machine can be built with only 2 hours of time and at half cost at least.

And, its fun to do.
-cm
September 24, 2006 8:50:19 PM

My point was missed. Here it is in big bold letters:

Buying from a PC Hardware Store (which builds the system and installs the OS and drivers for you, all you have to do is plug and play) is far, far better than Dell for the following reasons:

- Better Price
- Better Parts
- Better Performance
- Better Service


There is no reason to get a desktop from Dell. None.
September 24, 2006 8:55:32 PM

Quote:
Hello,

I'm planning to buy a DELL computer and I have two options:

1. Dimension E521

PROCESSOR AMD® Athlon™ 64 X2 Processor 5000+
OPERATING SYSTEM Genuine Windows® XP Professional SP2
MEMORY 2GB Dual Channel DDR2 533MHz [4x512MB] Memory
HARD DRIVE 160GB (7200rpm) Serial ATA Hard Drive with 8MB DataBurst™ cache
OPTICAL DRIVE(S) 16 X DVD +/- RW Drive
GRAPHICS CARD 256MB nVidia GeForce 7300 Turbocache graphics card
MONITOR Dell™ 19" Value Flat Panel (E196FP)
SOUND CARDS Integrated 7.1 Channel High Definition Audio
KEYBOARD Dell™ Entry Quietkey USB Keyboard - UK/Ire (QWERTY)
MOUSE Dell 2 Button USB Scroll Optical Mouse - Black

2. Dimension E520

PROCESSOR Intel® Core® 2 Duo® E6300 Processor (1.86GHz, 1066MHz, 2MB)
OPERATING SYSTEM Genuine Windows® XP Home Edition
MEMORY 2048MB Dual Channel DDR 533MHz [4x512MB] Memory
HARD DRIVE 320GB (7200rpm) Serial ATA Hard Drive with 8MB DataBurst™ cache
OPTICAL DRIVE(S) 16X DVD+/-RW Drive
GRAPHICS CARD 256MB nVidia GeForce 7300 Turbocache graphics card
MONITOR Dell™ 19" Value Flat Panel (E196FP)
SOUND CARDS Integrated Audio with Dolby Digital 7.1 capability
KEYBOARD Dell™ Black Entry Quietkey USB Keyboard - UK/Ire (QWERTY)
MOUSE Dell USB 2 Button Wheel Mouse - Black

The systems cost about 950 EUR each.

Which one do you think is best?

Thanks.


To end on an ontopic note.

You have heard that the 5000+ is faster. If you want a Dell, buy a Dell. I have used Precision and Dimension and Optiplex. Dimension or Precision will serve you well. MS uses them to test Windows (Maybe MS put pressure on them so they would have REAL AMD64 machines to test post-VistaX64 with). Optiplex is for secretaries(low-mid Office app use) and HTPC\web surfing.

Due you can get a Dell. :oops: 


Couldn't help it.
September 24, 2006 8:57:28 PM

When we say "don't buy a Dell" we mean to say "don't pay more money for less stuff," a sound economic principle.

Check out the USD 720 monster article. Try to configure a system that powerful at Dell.com, you'll see a final price three or four times that.

I recommend you do not pay 3 or 4 times as much for an inferior product.
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