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September 26, 2006 5:40:19 PM

What is up with that? Does anyone else have this problem?
September 26, 2006 6:06:56 PM

How did you know that Norton Internet Security is killing your cpu speed? I'm using one along with an 840 and don't notice about that? Hmm very interesting claim.
September 26, 2006 6:11:30 PM

My usual complaints that I field from everyone is that "I can't uninstall norton!"

But yeah, so what is it? Firewall? Virus scanner?

What are your specs and what version of norton are you running?
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September 26, 2006 6:23:58 PM

I have heard about this from too many people, and experienced it too often myself not to believe that Norton (even more so than other AV / Security products) is a system hog.

This is why I particularly like having a dual-core CPU. It really matters in a case like this.
September 26, 2006 6:30:10 PM

well this is why you only ever get norton coporate edition(the only good norton Virus scanner), if you cant get that or cant afford it then get Avast or AVG for free....
September 26, 2006 6:31:59 PM

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I havnt worked for dell for 2 months now but I still remember how to kill Norton.
September 26, 2006 6:33:58 PM

Norton is bloatware. Get rid of it and use the AVG Free Edition. I use it at home and I'm 95% satisfied.
September 26, 2006 6:43:27 PM

Isn't it kinda funny how Norton uses up computer resources just like a virus does?

I like Trend Micro housecall. It's an internet based virus scanner that only uses resources when you're scanning.

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How did you know that Norton Internet Security is killing your cpu speed? I'm using one along with an 840 and don't notice about that? Hmm very interesting claim.


Burnsie didn't tell us what else is running on his computer. His computer might have been close to being maxed out before Norton.
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September 26, 2006 6:44:33 PM

I agree with T/C above. A lot of people come into the shop that have Norton running, and the machine runs like crap. It doesn't do a good job of killing or stopping spyware, as can be attested by the sheer amount removed from the machines that come in. Last machine had 470 "bugs" running in the background. And YES, Norton is a systems hog. Getting rid of it and installing AVG is a pretty good and cheap alternative to going out and buying the next best thing.

I would also run lavasoft ad-aware. That will catch a lot of things that shouldn't be on your system. Every website you go on, including this one, leave tracking cookies and other malware behind. Shame on Toms'.

Another good thing to try once in a while is Trend Micro House Calls. Google it. This will nail things others will not. Just follow instructions and you're set. Let it run til it's done. Good Luck
September 26, 2006 7:27:26 PM

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Isn't it kinda funny how Norton uses up computer resources just like a virus does?


LOL too right, AVG/AVAST/sheer-willpower-of-the-hatred-of-viruses would be better than Norton :wink:
September 26, 2006 7:34:58 PM

try using NOD32 as a great antivirus

ZoneAlarm Pro as a great firewall

and

Webroot Spy Sweeper as a great anti spyware ;) 

PeAcE
September 26, 2006 8:55:33 PM

Thanks for all of the suggestions on the AV/firewall/spyware software. It really helps.

My setup is brand spanking new:

AMD X2 4400+
2 Gb of Mem


So It shouldn't be hogging that much. It noticeably (sp?) slowed down my system, and I just don't appreciate that.

Any other reccomendations?
September 26, 2006 9:19:48 PM

You should either:
A) Upgrade to a dual core CPU
B) Uninstall Norton
September 27, 2006 11:19:44 AM

lol, he HAS a dual core.....

Nay, no more suggestions really jus uninstall it an install AVG/Avast or whichever you pick for you anti-virus. Get sum spyware removers installed too (spybot and Adaware are what I use)

Do this whilst NOT connected to the web though lol
September 27, 2006 11:48:28 AM

AVG free and Windows Defender works for me, both free and both dont kill your PC performance.
September 27, 2006 12:02:10 PM

pc cillin is just as good as norton and isn't a system hog. I've never had any problems with it.
September 27, 2006 12:40:24 PM

Meh, my damn Razer mouse drivers take up quite a bit of memory.

Nah, I learned to stay away from Norton also. I used BitDefender for a while, but I didn't like that either, and there were times when it auto-updates when I'm gaming and my computer slows to a crawl. Ugh.

I just have Zone Alarm security suite to handle everything for me. It's built in Anti-virus and spyware aren't that great, but I never had a problem, so see no reason to get anything better.
September 27, 2006 12:48:31 PM

NIS and its family of products are nearly as bad as the stuff they are trying to protect you from. Apart from installing rootkit like stuff onto your system (I think this may have stopped after the "Sony rootkit" incident) they devour system resources and can be royal pain in the rear to uninstall. Not to mention the fact that they are not that great at stopping threats in the first place.

Go with something like AVG/Zone alarm/Spybot S&D instead, a much better soloution all round.

Other products worth a mention are Ad-aware, Avast, Anti-vir.
September 27, 2006 1:24:15 PM

Most experienced computer users would agree: avoid Norton software like the plague.

One exception would be Ghost 2003. It's a good app but does want to install some services & system tray bits. Turn them off in msconfig.
September 27, 2006 1:57:17 PM

Ghost used to be a straight forward package that did its job efficently and well. Symantec got their hands on it and its been getting worse ever since. Symantec's business model seems to be, take a great app like Ghost and bloat it to the point its not worth using any more. Also what combination of drugs were they on when comming up with Ghost 10 ?

If it wasnt for NTFS I would be using the Ghostbyte version still.
September 27, 2006 2:11:44 PM

I noted a significant system slow down when I recently upgraded from NSW (Premier) and NIS 2005 to 2006. I also upgraded from Webroot SpySweeper 4 to 5 at about the same time. Sometimes everything had the appearance of almost freezing up. Using a freeware prog Sysinternals Process Explorer (alternatively but not as effectively, you could use Windows Task Manager - Processes tab, clicking on CPU to get highest usage at the top) I found Norton and SpySweeper occaisionally running using large amounts of system resources. SpySweeper got a little better with another upgraded ver 5. Basically, if I'm doing something and I'm not using the i-net, I just block or disable my i-net access and shut these down until I go online again.
September 27, 2006 2:15:14 PM

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Ghost used to be a straight forward package that did its job efficently and well. Symantec got their hands on it and its been getting worse ever since. Symantec's business model seems to be, take a great app like Ghost and bloat it to the point its not worth using any more. Also what combination of drugs were they on when comming up with Ghost 10 ?

If it wasnt for NTFS I would be using the Ghostbyte version still.


So true. I bought Ghost 10 to find it was a giant peice of poop! I have since bought the Enterprise Edition and it is working great. The Enterprise Edition is really straight forward, I recommend it.
September 27, 2006 2:18:34 PM

Crazy isn't it? It's the same "we know what's best for you and we'll gladly trample all over your PC to do it" attitude a la Windows and Genuine Spyvantage etc etc. Lucky we've got the bittorrent time machine ;) 
September 27, 2006 2:18:43 PM

Norton is a pain in the ass.

We had no *end* of trouble with supporting broadband connections and people using Norton...
September 27, 2006 2:20:43 PM

The only Norton product that worked semi-well for me was Systemworks, and I felt that it integrated decently well into my system. The 05 was nice, 06... I didn't want to use it because i heard issues about it. But the 05 had everything I wanted, especially the undelete feature, which saved my ass numerous times.
September 27, 2006 2:31:17 PM

I have not uses Norton for years now but i did not like it and that was back in 96. i have used McAfee from 96-2006 and i think that the make a great Virus scanner but there firewall is not as good as Zonealarm. My dad's computer uses McAfee and it works great ... I use Zonealarm internet security suite and as far as i can tell it runs faster and takes less RAM +CPU.

NOTE TO READER: Mcafee virus scan 07 will not install if you have zonealrm firewall installed. they play nicely together but you have to install then in the correct order.

i had that problem and mcafee said that their firewall was incompatible with zonealarm firewall... THAT IS $%^##$ GREAT GUYS I UNCHECKED THE FIREWALL IN THE INSTALL FILE.. because of this i switched + plus zonealarm gives a 1/2 off loyalty bonus :D  .
September 27, 2006 2:42:33 PM

I've hated Norton ever since it decided to go no-worky before I had a paper due in just a few minutes. And since Microsoft Office likes to scan whatever document you're trying to open, and it couldn't find the scanner, and it broke. So I had to download OpenOffice and install that as quickly as possible so I could finish my paper and print it off.

And I would hate McAffee, but trying to remove it from my girlfriend's computer when it decided to go no-worky was how we met last year ^_^
September 27, 2006 2:52:58 PM

I have Norton IS and this thing just slowdown my startup as it takes about 10seconds to boot itself up every time the windows load. But I haven't experience no negative impact during gaming, that or I don't notice it. I have tried disabling Norton while playing games and enabled it while playing games and both seems to have the same performance.
September 27, 2006 2:54:36 PM

Use Sygate Personal Firewall 5.6 (is the last freeware release).
For the rest, i use e-Trust Internet Security Suite, which has a very good antivirus, and as a firewall it includes Zone Alarm Pro.
But Sygate PF is waaaay better so i used this as a firewall instead.
September 27, 2006 3:16:06 PM

Norton has its problems, but the GoBack feature of Systemworks really saved my ass a couple of times already this year.
September 27, 2006 5:50:00 PM

I've found a disk imaging program that seems to back up everything on the drive you tell it to use, but I haven't had the balls to try re-imaging the drive yet. The program is called Snapshot, and with a BartPE bootable CD and a plugin for .sna re-imaging, it looks ok. I figure I'll make snapshots so that if something goes wrong, I can give it a shot. If it works, great. If it doesn't work, oh well, I can just re-install the OS.

Most of what makes me worried is that I use PowerQuest's BootMagic as a bootloader, which gives me the option to boot into Windows XP or my current Linux distro, Fedora Core 5. I had to use it because for some reason Fedora wouldn't install Grub so that it would go to that instead of NTLDR.

My Raptor has Windows and Apps, a 250GB drive has Data in an NTFS partition and a FAT32 partition with PartitionMagic, and Fedora has a 250GB drive all to itself.
September 27, 2006 6:02:51 PM

Quote:
Most experienced computer users would agree: avoid Norton software like the plague.

One exception would be Ghost 2003. It's a good app but does want to install some services & system tray bits. Turn them off in msconfig.


I agree.

Not to change the subject. But real quick dose anyone know any free like ghosting software
September 27, 2006 6:05:25 PM

I can confirm that grub will work with windows XP. Ubuntu Dapper Drake installed OK for me on top of a couple of XP partitions.

A customised windows installer disk (google down nLite if you don't know it already) can take some of the sting out of a reinstall but it's still nice to have disk images. Installing/configuring all your apps can take a while. A good disk imager gets into my top ten list of essential apps.
September 27, 2006 6:11:28 PM

You could try some of the tools on System Rescue CD. I haven't used it so can't say what it's like.

Ghost 2003 can still be found. I can't say where.
September 27, 2006 6:11:44 PM

Oh yeah, Ubuntu's grub installation worked great. It was Fedora's that wouldn't work correctly. So, during installation, I told it to install Grub on the disk it was using for itself, installed it, booted into Windows, and told PartitionMagic where to find the OS I just installed. Couldn't get any easier.
September 27, 2006 6:28:52 PM

Quote:
Isn't it kinda funny how Norton uses up computer resources just like a virus does?

I like Trend Micro housecall. It's an internet based virus scanner that only uses resources when you're scanning.

How did you know that Norton Internet Security is killing your cpu speed? I'm using one along with an 840 and don't notice about that? Hmm very interesting claim.


Burnsie didn't tell us what else is running on his computer. His computer might have been close to being maxed out before Norton.

I love Trend Micro's housecall. I refuse to use Norton and McAfee after working at Dell for about a year...
September 27, 2006 6:51:15 PM

I personally know of a couple different folks, one a laptop and one a desktop, who had problems with Norton. One tried a fresh install and one tried an upgrade. In both cases, it corrupted the operating system...Windows XP. And, in both cases the damage was so severe that Windows had to be reloaded.
September 27, 2006 7:04:18 PM

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Norton is bloatware. Get rid of it and use the AVG Free Edition. I use it at home and I'm 95% satisfied.


I agree... except that I'm 100% satisfied with AVG.
September 27, 2006 7:17:28 PM

anyone know any good antivirus/firewall for x64? i cant find one that will load onto my os
September 27, 2006 7:24:09 PM

Norton antivirus and Internet Security REALLY slowed down my Athlon 64 3200+. When I tested AVG on my rig without Norton and it was back up to speed.
September 27, 2006 7:25:57 PM

That's a good question, I believe there is a version of Norton for XP64 however it's not free (obviously) but other than that I'm not aware of any free AV
September 27, 2006 8:59:29 PM

Quote:
Thanks for all of the suggestions on the AV/firewall/spyware software. It really helps.

My setup is brand spanking new:

AMD X2 4400+
2 Gb of Mem


So It shouldn't be hogging that much. It noticeably (sp?) slowed down my system, and I just don't appreciate that.

Any other reccomendations?


Hmmm, this time, your post sounds like you just built and just loaded Norton. Naturally, when Norton AV is first loaded it runs a full system scan, and naturally, this will degrade your system performance until it completes.

Norton was one of the first KILLER apps for Dos and Windows. I guess it still is.

Adware and any free AV are a good combo. You can sign up for free AOL and get free Mcafee scans (and you don't have to use AOL for the virus scans to continue working and upgrading).
September 27, 2006 9:34:21 PM

I've got both Norton Systemworks and Norton Internet Security and have no slowdown from them. Yes, I have a dual core chip which may help in this reguard.

I have noticed in the past that many people don't install the whole package, particularly the "Parental Control", and then it does cause a lot of problems when trying to uninstall it, as it thinks that if you don't install everything, then you're not the administrator or something. That's a pain in the hind end, but once understood, it can be lived with. And for those who like porn and don't want a parental control, simply install it and then turn it off.
September 27, 2006 10:14:54 PM

Blimey, maybe we should email a link to this thread to Norton so they can see what people think of their software :) 

And yes, I agree with 99% of this thread - get rid of it and install AVG + Spybot.
September 27, 2006 10:35:49 PM

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anyone know any good antivirus/firewall for x64? i cant find one that will load onto my os


NOD32 has an x64 version. Although, I don't know if it's free. I've never used it personally, but a lot of people on here seem to like it.
September 27, 2006 10:47:22 PM

Norton? Bleah! Use NOD32 or AVG: they're almost 10 times faster!
September 27, 2006 11:28:27 PM

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anyone know any good antivirus/firewall for x64? i cant find one that will load onto my os

Clamav on a networked nix box. Can't beat that for low CPU-sage ;) 
September 28, 2006 12:11:31 AM

Quote:
Thanks for all of the suggestions on the AV/firewall/spyware software. It really helps.

My setup is brand spanking new:

AMD X2 4400+
2 Gb of Mem


So It shouldn't be hogging that much. It noticeably (sp?) slowed down my system, and I just don't appreciate that.

Any other reccomendations?


Hmmm, this time, your post sounds like you just built and just loaded Norton. Naturally, when Norton AV is first loaded it runs a full system scan, and naturally, this will degrade your system performance until it completes.

Norton was one of the first KILLER apps for Dos and Windows. I guess it still is.

Adware and any free AV are a good combo. You can sign up for free AOL and get free Mcafee scans (and you don't have to use AOL for the virus scans to continue working and upgrading).

AVG (paid) does a full scan everytime I start my system (PentiumD 945 @ 3.4 GHz, 2Gb RAM) and the only way I know it's going is the HDD sound and the little icon in the system tray.

Norton used to be great (I used Norton Desktop for DOS many, many years ago) but Symantec stuffed it.
September 28, 2006 12:12:10 AM

I used Norton IS 2005 and it killed my 600mhz PIII system. Then I upgraded to a Celeron 1.4Ghz, I tried Norton 2006 Antivirus and it was a little faster but still took like half my processor speed.

Now Im getting Conroe but im gonna stick with my NOD32
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