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a c 86 V Motherboard
September 27, 2006 8:25:48 AM

What HDD are are you using? I'm getting issues that could be compatability could be HDD failure, such as 'Error Loading OS' and 'a disk read error occured' that stop me booting, but once running its absolutely fine. Have done two extended scans from Dos and its showing up fine. So I suspect compatability. And I have it jumpered down to 150Mb/s SATA 1 speeds.

I'm not gong to mention the HDD as it'll encourage the usual, yeah they're crap buy xx instead, which I'm not really interested in, I think that the drive is fine, just not with this board.

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September 27, 2006 9:45:00 AM

Er, if you suspect people are going to tell you that the drive isn't a good one, have you considered the possibility that it might be the drive?

Do some scans using the manufacturer's tools, try running a full SMART report on it, see what happens.

To be perfectly honest, the problem sounds like something wrong with the drive, rather than something wrong with the controller.
a c 86 V Motherboard
September 27, 2006 10:06:57 AM

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Er, if you suspect people are going to tell you that the drive isn't a good one, have you considered the possibility that it might be the drive?

Do some scans using the manufacturer's tools, try running a full SMART report on it, see what happens.

To be perfectly honest, the problem sounds like something wrong with the drive, rather than something wrong with the controller.


Two full scans using a dos boot disk and manufactures (WD) software have shown nothing (1hr15mins each), checkdisk- nothing, SMART - nothing, massive qty's of data being transferred from machine to machine - nothing, PC up and running for 30+ hours with new drive - nothing, everything says the drive is good... But on a cold start it won't boot, almost like it is not a bootable partition. Ctrl+alt+del and its fine, I'm not booting so other instance of windows either, its the only disk with an OS on it.

Which made me think that the drive wasn't waking up quickly enough to be spotted properly by the Bios, but that doesn't make sense, as the drive is recognised by the Bios.

So as you can see I'm not really sure what could be the cause, hence asking for a definate working brand / model of HDD.

Edit: I might have misunderstood your first comment, Its a WD drive, but I didn't want to start off the WD vs HGST vs Segate wars. As that isn't really the point.
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September 27, 2006 11:21:37 AM

hello there buddy! :p 

i used the same board as you are with western digital se 120gb sata II (jumpered to sata I) and seagate 7200.7 120gb sata I. they are all running fine with booting (installed OS on two drive for testing purpose only).

i've tried using both F6 VIA RAID driver from floppy disk (RAID on BIOS) and standard sata-ide driver from microsoft (non-RAID on BIOS). they're still running fine.

there's a new release BIOS for ASRock 775Dual-VSTA P1.90. I first used P1.0 then updated it to P1.80, downdated it to P1.50, then updated it again to P1.80, and finally to P1.90. all of the BIOS version is running fine the my two hdds.
a c 86 V Motherboard
September 27, 2006 11:45:23 AM

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hello there buddy! :p 

i used the same board as you are with western digital se 120gb sata II (jumpered to sata I) and seagate 7200.7 120gb sata I. they are all running fine with booting (installed OS on two drive for testing purpose only).

i've tried using both F6 VIA RAID driver from floppy disk (RAID on BIOS) and standard sata-ide driver from microsoft (non-RAID on BIOS). they're still running fine.

there's a new release BIOS for ASRock 775Dual-VSTA P1.90. I first used P1.0 then updated it to P1.80, downdated it to P1.50, then updated it again to P1.80, and finally to P1.90. all of the BIOS version is running fine the my two hdds.


Thanks, looks like a new Wd should do the trick, and there is no problem in general. Also running 1.90

Hows the system running in general?
September 27, 2006 12:05:19 PM

the system is running fine except for my only issue with the agp and crt monitor cold/warm booting. i'm using lcd monitor now, so it's fine 'till now! :) 

i noticed that the western digital is a bit slower than seagate if F6 VIA RAID driver not installed but it's ok, it's only a 12% drop in pcmark05 hdd benchmark performance. but i still like the wd hdd because it's cooler and quieter than the seagate. if the front intake fan not running, or the air conditioner not running, the seagate would reach above 45 celcius degree instead of the wd not even touching the 45 level.
a c 86 V Motherboard
September 27, 2006 1:16:59 PM

Glad to hear that all is close enough to being good.

My WD did do some odd things, it would quite happily get down to 33-35C whilst I was doing stuff but then when it was idle (screen saver), it would climb to 42-45C. Indexing turned off, and no V checkers doing anything. Even under conditions of copying 15Gb from other drives it would only hit 41-42.

That did concern me a little, we'll wait and see what the next one does.
September 27, 2006 2:33:57 PM

now that is weird. could be the drive itself, could be the motherboard as in asrock motherboard things can go a bit hotter than other motherboard using the same chipset. hehe :p 

i used to run p4 2.4ghz prescott fsb 533 around 38 celcius degree in asus p4v8x-x mobo, the same cpu with intel d865perl could go around 42 celcius degree, and the same cpu with asrock p4i65gv could go around 52 celcius degree.
a c 86 V Motherboard
September 27, 2006 2:43:23 PM

I've got the Antec P180 case, and i've mounted that WD in the lower segment, so the HD should be isolated from everything. Its just a very odd pattern of temp change. I've just written zero's all over the drive (in preparation for RMA) so its useless to windows, and the HDD is sitting at 40C, but it was at 33C when it was a functional drive.

New one will arrive next week, and we'll see what happens then.

Have you used a PCI-E card with yours yet? I'm thinking of getting a 7900GS, not sure if it'll work though. I know it will be bottlenecked, but I'm happy with that.
September 27, 2006 2:53:50 PM

i'm using thermaltake armor jr. cassis.

yes, i've tried to use my friend's pci express vga card which was asus extreme silence 6600 or something like that. it runs 3dmark05 with more less 2.200 score. it worked!

but i don't know what will happen with newer graphic card. perhaps you should check it first on the asrock site about the pci express compatibility issue. the last thing i know is asrock motherboard is more compatible to nvidia than ati.

well the bottleneck won't be to significant as it shows at anandtech's reviews. especially with the more expensive motherboard and they will last for let's say, a year or less? regarding the new core and nanometer technology introduced by intel at the IDF Fall 2006.

i'm pretty satisfied and much thanks that i bought the e6300 and asrock as if i want to build a new system i still have the money to spend. next year would be as much interesting to build a new system after amd hit intel or vice versa with their new multicore processor hehehe :p 

oh here i found asrock 775dual-vsta is compatible with NVIDIA GeForce 7900 GTX MSI NX7900GTX-T2D512E from this site:
http://www.asrock.com/support/VGA/show.asp?Model=775Dual-VSTA

perhaps it would run great too with any 7900 chipsets. good luck with your future new hard disk! :) 
September 29, 2006 1:05:40 PM

Mate,

U did Press F6 and install the JAHCI SATA drivers during XP installation, right?

Also , u need to set in BIOS : non-RAID

Try a fresh clean install of XP ( the universal solution lol)
a c 86 V Motherboard
September 29, 2006 1:07:16 PM

No didn't install the drivers, but not using raid so I don't need to right??

Also was a copy of clean install from my old disk.
September 29, 2006 1:34:38 PM

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No didn't install the drivers, but not using raid so I don't need to right??



I personally install the SATA Drivers even though I don't use RAID. And since I didn't have a floppy drive, I used nlite to merge the JAHCI SATA Drivers on the Drivers CD with my XP installation CD's contents.

You might want to try this.

And after installing XP, I think I searched for these jahci drivers on my Hard Drive and found them in the Windows folder. So, obviously, if Windows didn't need them, it wouldn't install them.

And.., how old is your Hard Drive btw? Is it more than 3 years old?

Btw, my Hard Drive is a MAXTOR SATA300 200GB. I hate WDC Drives - the one in my DELL sounded like a jet before I threw it out of the window.
September 29, 2006 1:38:15 PM

Regarding PCI-EXPRESS GFX CARD compatibility,

so far I have tried

XFX 7300LE , ASUS 7300LE, INNO3D 7300LE and ASUS X1300PRO. No probs.

Just because ASROCK doesn't have the card in it's compatibility list doesn't mean you can't use it!

It's just like RAM . Just cos it's not under the QUALIFIED VENDOR's RAM list doesn't mean it won't work. ( Of course, you gotta use the same type and speed RAM that your mobo supports. duh!)
a c 86 V Motherboard
September 29, 2006 1:38:56 PM

Only 1 week old, its been RMA'd now, but was concerned about compatability.

The last message that I saw from the bios relating to it was 'third ata master failed' whilst it was polling all of the drives. So I think it might have been dying.
a c 86 V Motherboard
September 29, 2006 1:40:16 PM

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Regarding PCI-EXPRESS GFX CARD compatibility,

so far I have tried

XFX 7300LE , ASUS 7300LE, INNO3D 7300LE and ASUS X1300PRO. No probs.

Just because ASROCK doesn't have the card in it's compatibility list doesn't mean you can't use it!

It's just like RAM . Just cos it's not under the QUALIFIED VENDOR's RAM list doesn't mean it won't work. ( Of course, you gotta use the same type and speed RAM that your mobo supports. duh!)


Thats what I am expecting, also they have been unable to provide me with any cards that do not work. So I expect I'll ok with whatever I end up with.
September 29, 2006 1:43:46 PM

One thing you should note that the mobo has a PCI -Express x16 slot but it operates at x4.

But, then again, the cards I used didn't say u need a PCI-Express x16 slot.
They only mentioned "PCI-Express".
a c 86 V Motherboard
September 29, 2006 1:48:04 PM

The PCI-E protocol allows for bandwidth negotiation, all cards should work in all slots that they can physically fit into.
September 29, 2006 2:46:42 PM

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Anyone using the Asrock 775 Dual VSTA and SATA?
What HDD are are you using?


Dual 150Gb Raptors in raid 0.
Rock solid and never seen a problem yet.

It sounds like you are having a timing problem. You might wanna check your ram and fsb clock are set to the right speed and timing. (the sata interface is driven off the FSB I think).

I never had a problem with the HDs but I had issues with odd blue screens etc with the Asrock 775 Dual VSTA when I first got it. I had the memory timing on auto and "flexibility option" in the chipset features to disabled, which are both the default settings. As soon as I manually entered the proper ram timing and turned on the flexibility option, it became a very stable system indeed.

Also you might wanna make sure you've flashed your bios to the latest version. The board was a new product a couple months ago and when I got mine and it came with bios version 1.1 even though they were upto 1.8 on the asrock website.
a c 86 V Motherboard
September 29, 2006 3:08:04 PM

Thanks, using 1.90 bios, I'm more or less certain it is a bad drive, but I wanted to hear of somone else using WD Sata, so I could be sure it was not a compat issue.

It has auto detected my DDR400 correctly, and now that I have removed that drive all is perfect, which points more clearly at the drive.

Very happy with board in general, just beginning OC testing (will probably turn it down afterwards though) and have hit 300Mhz, will see where it stops.

Thanks for the suggestions.
September 30, 2006 8:58:40 AM

I think this mobo will be my next buy along with a 6400!
a c 86 V Motherboard
September 30, 2006 10:26:00 AM

Note that I have hit 305Mhz FSb and not 3Ghz...
September 30, 2006 10:34:58 AM

i'm still running ok with default setting :) 

will there be a jump in performance if i upgrade to e6600 from e6300? hehe
a c 86 V Motherboard
September 30, 2006 10:40:56 AM

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i'm still running ok with default setting :) 

will there be a jump in performance if i upgrade to e6600 from e6300? hehe


Technically yes, practically probably not, would you have asked the question with the old Fx's at their prices, FX60>Fx62 (or whatever the codes were) at $600+ the answer would have been yes its quicker but not by enough in the real world.

The same answer still applies, just that the prices are now less...

I've put mine back onto std clocks for now until I understand what its doing to my DDR, I'm not sure if its forcing an OC on that or not....
September 30, 2006 10:53:03 AM

glad to hear it coz as for current moment i'm still wanting e6600. lol. this stuff is killing me even though i already had e6300 :p 

well if you raise the fsb, you raise the ram frequency too. perhaps your ram can't take it additional pressure than standard one. i'm not into overclocking especially when the default speed is enough already, and via chipset pretty sucks at overclocking. 5% oc is the most stable one in my last experience. hehe
September 30, 2006 10:54:47 AM

btw, how is your new hdd? is it running fine now?
a c 86 V Motherboard
September 30, 2006 11:01:00 AM

Still waiting for new one to arrive, old IDE is fine as always though.

I managed to get 14% OC (305Mhz) without changing Ram settings, prime stable too, so I might try slackening the timings, as at 310 it would not boot. But to be honest it made no difference other than running hotter, which I'd rather it didn't do, I did go from 21s to 19s at 1M SuperPi, not sure of the real world benefits of that though...

Have you put your temps into the Core2 temp survey. I think it might help the community at large.
September 30, 2006 11:11:08 AM

oh i see.

i've read the thread but i don't have the software they used to record temperature yet. perhaps tomorrow night i will download the software and record it.

i'm currently use speedfan, cpuz. haven't searched the internet about the TAT and the burning cpu software test and where to get 'em.
a c 86 V Motherboard
September 30, 2006 11:14:36 AM

all links are provided. took me 30mins in total..
September 30, 2006 11:20:49 AM

oops. i should read the whole post again. hehe thanks for the info :) 
October 17, 2006 3:44:08 PM

I just got an Asrock 775Dual-VSTA and im trying to boot of a SATA drive and it's a no go. The SATA drive boots fine in another computer, the Asrock board boots fine with a non-SATA drive, the SATA drive is properly detected, BIOS is updated to 1.90, Non-RAID is selected, Spread Spectrum is disabled. When i try to boot off the SATA drive i get "A disk read error occured press Ctrl+Alt+Del to restart" Anyone have any ideas?
October 17, 2006 8:28:22 PM

have you jumpered your drive to SATA I? asrock 775dual-vsta only supports SATA I drive.

i have no problem with western digital caviar se sata II 120gb 8mb cache jumpered to sata I, and seagate barracude 7200.7 sata I 120gb 8mb cache. running fine for both non-RAID and RAID option (you have to install the F6 diskette SCSI/RAID driver from floppy disk first if the RAID option enabled).

good luck :) 
October 17, 2006 8:40:06 PM

I don't see any jumpers on the drive. As far as i know it's SATA I only
October 17, 2006 8:53:49 PM

what hdd are you using now?

the western digital caviar se didn't come up with jumper attached, i had to use other jumper from old cd-rom and plugged it to the drive. but if you are sure it's sata I then try to clear the CMOS (read how to clear CMOS from the motherboard manual). and use re-set the BIOS option to default setting except for the IDE configuration set it to non-raid. if it fails too then i don't know what's wrong..
October 17, 2006 9:00:59 PM

i have this MB but im running PATA now. I have read that if you use the SATA you cant have anything plugged into the PATA channels. Im sure there is a way to get a cdrom to work with SATA but id start troubleshooting the issue by unplugging all the drive and to boot with only the SATA hooked up. I know you need to boot from a cdrom but im sure you can figure something out.

ps. you may even want to try to disable the PATA controller in bios.
October 17, 2006 9:02:33 PM

It's a Hitachi Deskstar T7K250, which is SATA II (didn't know if i had the T7K250 or just 7K250). There's no jumper settings on the drive at all and from the Hitachi website it seems you have use a drive utility off a bootable CD to change it to SATA I or II. But whatever the default was the Asrock still detected it fine and when I booted off of an IDE drive my T7K250 was fully accessible in Windows. The only problem i have is i can't boot from the T7K250 with the Asrock board.
October 17, 2006 9:19:09 PM

Same mobo, two 150 MB raptors in raid 0. Not had a single problem yet whatsoever.
October 17, 2006 10:57:55 PM

I used the Hitachi Feature Tool Utilities and selected 1.5Gb/s and disabled spread spectrum (this was all default) and still same old "A disk read error occurred press ctrl+alt+del to restart" I also tried disconnecting all devices except the hard drive and same thing. How do i disable the PATA controller?
October 18, 2006 12:57:43 AM

i believe it's still running in sata II mode, that is exactly what was happenned with me when i insisted running in sata II mode and got the error blablabla message, plus could not boot, with an old p4v8x-x (using via chipsets which only support sata I).

is there any written manual on the top of the harddisk which leads you how to jumpered it to sata I?

seagate hdd doesn't need a jumper to run in sata I mode, i think it automatically detect what mode to run with. i've tried to run seagate barracuda 7200.10 sata II 320gb 16mb cache, and installed it, and run fine. since it's not mine so i gave it back to whom it's belong.

i don't have time to look for hitachi picture and manual from their site. perhaps later in the evening. so good luck until then! :) 
October 18, 2006 1:52:26 AM

The only thing i know of is Hitachi's Features Tool program where you can change the interface. It doesn't exactly say SATA I or II but lets you select between 1.5gb/s and 3.0gb/s, i assume it's the samething. You make a boot disk or cd with that program and boot from it and you can change features on the hard drive, such as 1.5gb/s or 3.0gb/s. That's the only way i know of switching between SATA I and II for this drive. I guess what i need to do is find someone else with a 775dual-vsta and T7K2250 HDD and figure out what the hell they did.
October 18, 2006 1:57:27 AM

oh yeah i've looked to their site, no backpanel picture so can't see is there a jumper or not. but in the general specification & overview it says that it's backward compatible to sata I.

have you contact asrock technical support for this troubleshooting? they're not very fast in response: 1-3 days, but they'll try to solve your problem.
October 18, 2006 2:14:04 AM

Here's the reply i got

Dear Sir,

Thank you for contacting ASRock.

Have you tested your SATA HDD on another PC? Did it boot on another PC?



Please test your SATAHDD on another PC and refer below steps for try.

1. Disable Spread Spectrum

BIOS > Advanced > CPU Configuration > Spread Spectrum > Disable.

2. Test different SATA ports

3. Change another SATA cable.



If not, please contact your HDD dealer to help test and update HDD firmware for try.





Best Wishes

ASRock



I've done all that minus the Firmware changes. I've contacted Hitachi about updates and after some emails, they gave me a cd image to boot from but when i ran the program it said no firmware update is needed. My only option was to exit and restart. I told them about it and haven't gotten a reply yet.
October 18, 2006 4:39:28 PM

almost the same reply with mine which told to try the agp card into another system and vice versa. but there was another reply which said that they had tried the same vga chipset and didn't have any problem. perhaps right now they're still trying to get a hitachi hdd sample and test it on the asrock 775dual-vsta motherboard.

considering sata cable, most of the cable in the market are still sata I cable. i don't know how to differentiate a sata II cable from the sata I one, since i never meet any before.

sorry can't help you much more..
October 18, 2006 10:22:20 PM

I just happen to have another T7K225 SATA that's brand new and after a fresh format when i try to install Windows XP, "Setup is analyzing you hardware setup" flashes quickly then i get a blank screen (monitor LED still green), the CD drive spins up then nothing. I left it running for 15 minutes and it just stayed a blank screen, no Windows installer
October 19, 2006 4:09:08 AM

oh yeah i forgot. i forgot where i read this from but in a certain case, the pata or other ide drive should be unplug first, so you only use your sata and cd/dvd rom for the installation, and after the installation success, you could easily plug your pata or other ide drive.

have you tried it yet?
October 19, 2006 4:24:41 AM

The only drives i had plugged in where the CD drive and SATA HDD. I've also tried just the SATA HDD with Windows already installed and it gave me the same "disk read error". Someone mentioned disabling the PATA in the BIOS but i don't see anything about PATA in there. The only thing i haven't tried is installing SATA drivers but to my understanding that's only if you're using the RAID function (I have no-raid selected in the BIOS). I lack a floppy disk right now so that's the only reason i haven't tried. That's tomorrow adgenda if i can find one.
October 19, 2006 5:19:32 AM

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i have this MB but im running PATA now. I have read that if you use the SATA you cant have anything plugged into the PATA channels. Im sure there is a way to get a cdrom to work with SATA but id start troubleshooting the issue by unplugging all the drive and to boot with only the SATA hooked up. I know you need to boot from a cdrom but im sure you can figure something out.

ps. you may even want to try to disable the PATA controller in bios.


umm nope not true.

I have the same motherboard with two (sata) 150gb raptors as raid 0, a pata 200gb WD drive and a pata dvd drive. Its all working fine.
October 20, 2006 1:12:51 AM

OK, i got Windows to start installing but after it does the first restart and tries to boot it just hangs on a blank screen with a cursor in the top left. I tried installing the RAID drivers too at the begining of setup and that didn't help either. I tried selecting both RAID and NON-RAID and when i select non-raid it gives me the disk read error ctrl alt del to restart. I just don't get why this damn thing won't work. What more can i do?
October 20, 2006 3:31:36 AM

I got it working. Don't ask me what i did cause i've F'd with it so much these past 2 days i don't know what i did and what i didn't. The bad thing is in the process i lost everything on my hard drive. What's worse is i thought i had a back up of my Windows XP key but i guess not. I've got 30 days to come up with something.
October 26, 2006 1:08:23 PM

its so confusing all the reviews on this board.. good bad?

you think a 80 gig ide, fx5500, 2 x 512 (single channel) ddr 1, dvd rom, and burner.. using the core 2 duo e6300 will run fine?

would any of these cards be restricted by this board..

7600gs, 7600gt, 7800gt?

Im think of getting on of them, and as i can afford it.. get a sata hdd, ddr2 ram..

because getting anything else besides these dual interface boards that support core 2 duo.. i think the core 2 duo is out of my means..

would i better off getting a amd 3700+ with a agp mobo because it would be cheap? and putting no more then a 7600gs in ? and just get a new system later on (much later :(  )


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