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September 27, 2006 9:23:46 PM

October build. Opinions? Best prices?

This system is build with upgrading and overclocking (eventually) in mind. Will eventually overclock CPU, get new Vista GPU in about a year, etc.

Am worried about choosing the right LCD; Want to be able to run in max resolution at a resolutions supported by most games; Screen must be fast (low ms) as play FPSs and Flight Sims; also want good clarity/small dot pitch...don't want to buy a lemon, and am leery of purchasing from NewEgg as I don't like their '8 dead pixel' return policy. LCD must be 20.1" to 22"

Of the two monitors, the 22" has larger DP but faster response time...any ideas of better LCDs?

On the GPU I chose that 4 weeks ago - better values? Just needs to last a year or so...am leaning toward ATI as I like the idea of using crossfire eventually, and this MoBo is supporting that...

With this in mind, here are my choices: Must order soon!

New Egg WishList




1 Antec Performance I P-160W Silver 1.2mm Anodized Aluminum ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
Model #: P160W
Item #: N82E16811129173

Return Policy: Standard Return Policy

In Stock
$99.99 -$6.00 Instant $93.99
1 ASUS P5W DH DELUXE/WIFI-AP Socket T (LGA 775) Intel 975X ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
Model #: P5WDH DELUXE/WIFI-AP
Item #: N82E16813131025

Return Policy: Standard Return Policy

In Stock
$269.99 $269.99
1 SAPPHIRE 100168L Radeon X1900XT 256MB GDDR3 PCI Express x16 CrossFire Video Card - Retail
Model #: 100168L
Item #: N82E16814102051

Return Policy: Standard Return Policy

In Stock
Mail-in Rebate
$249.99 $249.99
1 Antec True Power Trio TP3-650 ATX12V 650W Power Supply with Three 12V Rails - Retail
Model #: TP3-650
Item #: N82E16817371001

Return Policy: Standard Return Policy

In Stock
$159.99 $159.99
1 Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 Conroe 2.4GHz LGA 775 Processor Model BX80557E6600 - Retail
Model #: BX80557E6600
Item #: N82E16819115003

Return Policy: Processors (CPUs) Return Policy

In Stock
$319.99 $319.99
1 Patriot 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model PDC22G6400LLK - Retail
Model #: PDC22G6400LLK
Item #: N82E16820220144

Return Policy: Standard Return Policy

In Stock
Mail-in Rebate
$329.99 -$15.00 Instant $314.99
1 Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3320620AS (Perpendicular Recording Technology) 320GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
Model #: ST3320620AS
Item #: N82E16822148140

Return Policy: Standard Return Policy

In Stock
$94.99 $94.99
1 SAMSUNG 225BW Black 22" 5 ms (GTG) Widescreen LCD Monitor with Height Adjustment - Retail
Model #: 225BW
Item #: N82E16824001083

Return Policy: Limited Non-Refundable 30-Day Return Policy

In Stock
$389.99 -$10.00 Instant $379.99
1 LG L203WT Black-Silver 20.1" 8ms Widescreen LCD Monitor - Retail
Model #: L203WT
Item #: N82E16824005078

Return Policy: Limited Non-Refundable 30-Day Return Policy

In Stock
$352.99 $352.99
1 LITE-ON 16X DVD±R DVD Burner W/LightScribe and 5X DVD-RAM Write Black ATAPI/E-IDE Model SHM-165H6S - Retail
Model #: SHM-165H6S
Item #: N82E16827106015

Return Policy: Standard Return Policy

In Stock
$33.99 $33.99
Subtotal: $2,270.90
September 28, 2006 12:19:59 AM

I'll give you a run-down since you shot me a PM, but I'm not going to be as much help as I think you'd like, mostly because some of your choices (and this is NOT to say thay are bad ones) are outside of what I've done for research on my build.

As I'm not in the US, I'll not comment on the prices.

I can't give you a lot of help on the monitor as I jumped early due to breakage of the old monitor, and as such haven't been researching them much.

Your GPU is fine, and if you want Crossfire, get at least a compatable card (but it's not all that important) as you need a master and a compatable card to run Crossfire, and the master costs more. The X1900GT (slightly lower spec, a bit cheaper) is a good card too, as is the 7900GT and 7900GS (similar to the Radeons respectively).

Plenty of people happy with that case - but cases are mostly a matter of taste and form factor. It's not me, but that doesn't mean it's not a very good case.

The motherboard is one I'm considering myself (can't decide between the Gigabyte DQ6, the Abit AB-9MAX and the ASUS Deluxe models - heck if I could finalize on 965 vs 975x I'd be doing good).

The power supply has plenty of power for now and for the comming future - don't know much about Antec supplies though.

The E6600 is a fine processor, and just the thing I'm going to get. It has the full 4MB cache and can be overclocked to beat anything barring an overclocked E6700 or E6800.

Plenty of people like the Patriot memory, 2 GB DDR2 in a matched pair is a good choice. Corsair is the overclocker's perferred choice (apparently) and they say thier 800 modules will easily do 1066. I can't say if the same is true of the Patriot modules (again, this does not mean that they can't, but that I don't know). I'm leaning towards the Corsair myself, but that's because I've not done overclocking before this build, and I want the extra headway to keep my will up to the ask (weenie me).

The Seagate Barracuda is a good choice for HDD. The Perpendicar tech is the 'now thing' but the 16MB cache is very nice and Seagates tend to be quiet and reliable. It's this or the Maxtor or Caviar on my shopping list - but I'm leaning towards the Seagate as they are quieter.

The LITE-ON DVD burner is an excellent choice, I nearly got one myself. I instead bought a Samsung of similar spec but with a SATA connection. But that's me - I'm using the IDE conector for the built in drive that comes with my case (if I go with it, the Thermaltake Eclipse DV) and IDE is on it's last couple of years. There are 18X drives out there now - that may or may not be important to you.
September 28, 2006 12:33:24 AM

Really nice, you seem to know what yorue doing. The only changes:

Get that memory as long as it is the lowest priced DDR2 800 with 4-4-4-12 timings. If any other is priced lower it would be an option, including Gskill.

You can get a OCZ GameXstream 700W PSU for like $120 less. Theyve got QUAD 12v rails, high efficency, PFC, high amperage along the 12v rails, well nothing to envy from Antec.
The Antec NeoHE series also come with 3 12v rails.

I see youre fond of widescreen but take a look samsungs 16x12 monitors. They arent avaible at newegg anymore (just yesterday they were) but if you find them somewhere else youll get exactly what you want.

Your mobo is priced at $240 with free shipping in zipzoomfly.
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a c 90 B Homebuilt system
September 28, 2006 5:25:31 AM

Quote:
Want to be able to run in max resolution at a resolutions supported by most games; Screen must be fast (low ms) as play FPSs and Flight Sims; also want good clarity/small dot pitch...don't want to buy a lemon, and am leery of purchasing from NewEgg as I don't like their '8 dead pixel' return policy. LCD must be 20.1" to 22"
Of the two monitors, the 22" has larger DP but faster response time...any ideas of better LCDs?
There are a few, mostly older, games that don't like widescreen resolutions like 1680x1050. Either you learn to edit the graphics.ini files or if you can't edit graphics settings you can play in windowed mode (i.e. 1280x1024).
Since we need to take the Response Time spec claims with a grain of salt you don't need to worry about the difference between 5ms and 8ms GTG. Either spec is fine for twitch shooters. The 22" larger dot pitch is probably a non-issue - you'll never notice the difference especially if you push the bigger monitor half an inch farther back than you'd use the 20" monitor. Viewing angles are the same, contrast ratio and brightness spec is slightly better for the 20". Either one will be a good choice.

The rest of your hardware looks good. Very robust choices IMO.
September 28, 2006 11:30:52 AM

Thanks for the replies, guys.

A question about the LCDs - the 22" Shows a resolution of 1680 X 1050,
yet while looking at Tom's VGA Charts, I see no game supports that resolution - is this because it is a LCD widescreen? Would I have to force the game to run in 1680 X 1050, or use the monitor in a non-standard resolution? Either way, would this not distort the visuals?


1600 X 1200
1280 X 1024

are resolutions at the high end these games support (HL2, Oblivion, Rise of Nations, Titan Quest, etc.) I see no testing for 1680 X 1050.
a c 90 B Homebuilt system
September 28, 2006 5:46:57 PM

Both of the monitors you listed use 1680x1050.
The VGA Charts do you not list every resolution that a game might support - only those tested for comparison. I didn't see any of the widescreen (16:9 or 16:10) resolutions 1280x768, 1366x768, 1440x900, 1680x1050 or 1920x1200.

If you were to run a 1280x1024 game in full screen on your monitor, yes, it stretch and distort the visuals. If you have a game that will not scale to 16x10 you would need to run that game in a window. For example a 1280x1024 game not run in full screen will be in a 1280x1024 window in the center of your monitor. I occasionally play an old game that only supports 1024x768 on my 16x10 Dell 2007WFP in a 1024x768 without problems.

Of the games you listed all will run in 16x10 and only the original Rise of Nations will need an .ini tweak.

You can see a larger list of games that support widescreen (with any tweaks, hacks or mods to get them to run that way) on sites like WideScreenGamingForum or TigerDave forum

I couldnt find any reviews of the montior you're looking at but here is one that you could also put on your list ViewSonic VX2025wm
You can also check these buyers guides for more ideas:
AnandTech LCD Buyer's Guide
Xtremesystems.org LCD Buyers Guide
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