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September 28, 2006 9:23:36 AM

allright well when my new graphics card gets here im going to have to install it obviously.
what i need to know is what is better. to connect it to my AGP slot or
PCI. right now i have an integrated SiS chip which is shit so thats why im getting a new ATI shapphire radeon 9250. so what do you guys think i should do AGP or PCI

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September 28, 2006 10:12:34 AM

AGP is dedicated to graphics cards, so if you have an AGP port, use it. PCI isn't really used anymore for graphics cards.

anyway, if you bought an agp card, it won't fit into a PCI slot
September 28, 2006 10:33:20 AM

Well, if you have an AGP slot, use it. There are better choices than a 9250 for AGP.
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September 28, 2006 10:40:21 AM

ya well the 9250 only cost me 30£s and also it says in the inof that it works in AGP 8x/4x or ICP bus but if you say AGP is the way to go then that i will do.
September 28, 2006 11:49:57 AM

AGP and PCI are not pin-compatible. There will be versions of the same card which work in AGP and versions which work in PCI. If you've got an AGP card, put it in the AGP slot. If you've got a PCI card, put it in the PCI slot.

Finally, pray you've got an AGP card.
September 28, 2006 11:55:05 AM

well sir i did get an agp card and i do have an agp slot so it dont matter but look at this

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/SAPPHIRE-RADEON-9250-AGP-128MB-GR...

copy paste that then scroll down to the features and there it says supports both AGP or PCI bus i could be wrong but just going on what it says. no matter i,ll put it in the Agp first anyways
September 28, 2006 12:01:52 PM

That is promotional material directly lifted from Sapphire's site.

There will be multiple versions of this card. Some are PCI and some are AGP.

If you've got an AGP one that's fine.
September 28, 2006 12:03:56 PM

K sweet i,l ltake your word for it mayte
im not the best at this shit anyways
and just so i know agp slot is brown correct?
September 28, 2006 12:14:23 PM

Usually brown - but can theoretically be any colour.

Generally safe to assume brown, though.
September 28, 2006 12:17:16 PM

well im pretty sure it is only slots on the board are the 3 pcis
2 long black ones forget the name of them and the one brown slot
a b U Graphics card
September 28, 2006 12:27:27 PM

Don't worry about putting in the wrong slot. An AGP card will only fit into an AGP slot, and a PCI card will only fit into a PCI slot, unless you really force it, you would have to physically damage the card to make it go into the wrong slot.
September 28, 2006 12:31:45 PM

hahaha allright mayte thanks alot now all i need to do is wait and then
BOOM HEADSHOT!! lol >.> sorri im itching to play counterstrike again.
and jsut for a second opinion
how do i turn off my integrated chip ? so that the new card im getting takes over the display?
September 28, 2006 12:35:55 PM

You'll need to go into the BIOS and tell it to use external graphics rather than integrated.
September 28, 2006 12:39:06 PM

oh allright see i was told to first plug in the new card
start up go into the bios turn off the onboard video
then go into windows everything would look funnt till i install the drivers fro mthe disk that comes with the card. after its all installed i can just switch back the display settings to the way i wanted them.
September 28, 2006 12:41:46 PM

That sounds about right, yes.
September 28, 2006 12:42:03 PM

integrated graphics cards can normally be disabled in the computer's bios.

to enter the bios, you have to press a key during startup. most computers show "Press ?? key to enter setup" when you turn them on.

once you're in the bios, look for "onboard graphics" or something like that, and set it to "disabled"
September 28, 2006 12:52:54 PM

soo befor anything i plus in the card start up go into the bios disable this onboard or integrated graphics w/e it may be then go into windows install the drivers . then do i restart the pc? and put my display settings the way i want or just put them the way i want?
September 28, 2006 12:59:43 PM

No.

Plug in the card.
Turn on the computer.
Go to the BIOS.
Turn on the card.
Reboot the computer.
Check that video is coming through the card, not the integrated graphics.
Wait for Windows to boot.
Once it has done, install the drivers that came with the card.
Reboot Windows.
Set the computer to the right resolution etc.
Go to www.ati.com and download the latest drivers.
Install these drivers.
Reboot Windows.
September 28, 2006 1:04:24 PM

kk when i plug in the card at the start do i connect the moniter to it right away or turn it on first?
also how do i turn the card on by disabling the onboard/integrated one?
so im not to smart at this shit first time i,v had to deal with it.
September 28, 2006 1:48:49 PM

OK;

Plug in the card.
Make sure monitor is plugged into integrated graphics.
Turn on the computer.
Go to the BIOS.
Turn on the card and turn off the integrated graphics.
Reboot the computer.
Plug the monitor into the card.
Check that video is coming through the card, not the integrated graphics.
Wait for Windows to boot.
Once it has done, install the drivers that came with the card.
Reboot Windows.
Set the computer to the right resolution etc.
Go to www.ati.com and download the latest drivers.
Install these drivers.
Reboot Windows.
September 28, 2006 2:45:45 PM

I wouldn't pay £30 for a 9250; I payed £10 for a 9200 and that was 2 years ago.
September 28, 2006 3:45:16 PM

allright thanks alot man been tons of help :) 
and as for mister i payed 10£ for a 9200 i dont really give a fuck i think its a sweet card the features kick ass and liek i said all i need it for really is the directx9 anything is better then what i got now so thats all that matters.
September 28, 2006 3:51:52 PM

>DirectX 9

Sadly, whilst the 9250 supports DX9 it's not *really* fast enough to use any of DX9's features.

Still, if it's better than what you've got now, you can't really complain!
September 28, 2006 3:56:09 PM

all i really want to know is will i be able to play counterstrike source and DoD with easyness that card supports 8.1 and 9 directx
these r the features it has


128MB of 400MHz DDR memory accelerates the latest cutting edge 3D applications
Available in both a 128-bit and 64-bit memory data path interface
ATI RADEON™ 9250 VPU operating at 240 MHz
Supports the AGP 8X and AGP 4x standard or PCI Bus, providing a high-speed link between the graphics card and the rest of the PC
Four pixel shader pipeline
Full support for Microsoft® DirectX® 8.1 and DX9 compliance and the latest OpenGL® functionality
SMARTSHADER™ technology
VIDEO IMMERSION™ and FULLSTREAM™ technologies which provide for amazing video playback quality.
Integrated DV support for Flat Panel displays
Powered by CATALYST™ - The industry's most stable unified graphics software
September 28, 2006 3:59:15 PM

Almost certainly not, sadly.

You may be able to play at a sensible speed in 640x480 - possibly if you're *really* lucky in 800x600. Nothing higher than that, not with a 9250.
September 28, 2006 4:04:42 PM

well i guess i,ll have to wait and see wont i
i have a good feeling it will play well if the one i got now looks good but has just medium lag
then this one should do the trick seeing has it has 8.1 and 9 supportings
September 28, 2006 4:07:37 PM

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allright thanks alot man been tons of help :) 
and as for mister i payed 10£ for a 9200 i dont really give a **** i think its a sweet card the features kick ass and liek i said all i need it for really is the directx9 anything is better then what i got now so thats all that matters.


Sorry man, mesa's right. That card's not worth the price you paid.
September 28, 2006 4:11:42 PM

ATI make the chip. They also make some cards. Sapphire makes cards, using ATI's chip.

The cards will perform identically (or as near as dammit to identically).
September 28, 2006 4:34:09 PM

The fact that PC World sells that card for only £4 more than you are going to pay for it should really tell you something. For you Americans who don't have PC World, they sell USB cables for £20 (1.8m), to put it in perspective.

Oh, and....

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and as for mister i payed 10£ for a 9200 i dont really give a **** i think its a sweet card the features kick ass and liek i said all i need it for really is the directx9 anything is better then what i got now so thats all that matters.


Your topic is titles 'ADVICE PLEASE'. Don't ask for input and then have a go when you don't like it. £15 is the most you should be paying these days for an AGP 9250 - even less for the PCI model.

Mine pushes 40fps at 800x600 in Raven Shield with all the effects turned off or set to lowest.
September 28, 2006 4:37:35 PM

so are you saying i wont be able to play counterstrike source or DoD?
sorri for snappin i would jsut be upset if i just bought a card so i can play this game and then it wont even help.
September 28, 2006 4:48:57 PM

Quote:
all i really want to know is will i be able to play counterstrike source and DoD with easyness that card supports 8.1 and 9 directx
these r the features it has


128MB of 400MHz DDR memory accelerates the latest cutting edge 3D applications
Available in both a 128-bit and 64-bit memory data path interface
ATI RADEON™ 9250 VPU operating at 240 MHz
Supports the AGP 8X and AGP 4x standard or PCI Bus, providing a high-speed link between the graphics card and the rest of the PC
Four pixel shader pipeline
Full support for Microsoft® DirectX® 8.1 and DX9 compliance and the latest OpenGL® functionality
SMARTSHADER™ technology
VIDEO IMMERSION™ and FULLSTREAM™ technologies which provide for amazing video playback quality.
Integrated DV support for Flat Panel displays
Powered by CATALYST™ - The industry's most stable unified graphics software


don't forget this is the official description of the card... and the manufacturer will never tell you his card is a piece of crap ! good-sounding feature names like "smartsomething" sometimes don't mean anything... see the "hypermemory technology"... it sounds good... but it is just a cute name for crappy shared memory.
You shouldn't trust official specs so much, and rather read real benchmarks made by independant websites.

of course, your 9250 will be better than your integrated card, but don't hope it will run recent games with full detail.
September 28, 2006 4:52:03 PM

dont want it in (full) detail just want it not to lag anymore
like the integrated one i have in right now would be PERFECT if not for the lag so if this one takes the lag away i,ll be greatly happy!!!
September 28, 2006 5:07:46 PM

HMMM does it make a diff that my pc has a mego amount of about 960 mbs of ram hahahah becuz we added a full gig to it?
September 28, 2006 6:11:50 PM

can someone please just answer this last question.

will this card be able to play counter strike source and DoD in any detail at all all i need is for it not to lag.
also does it help that my pc has 960 MBS of RAM
September 28, 2006 6:28:17 PM

Like I said earlier on, my 9200 pushes 40FPS in Raven Shield in the lowest settings @ 800x600 (2.2ghz, 1.5gb RAM), I'm not sure how the engine RS uses compares to Source or DoD.
September 28, 2006 7:09:38 PM

Quote:
dont want it in (full) detail just want it not to lag anymore
like the integrated one i have in right now would be PERFECT if not for the lag so if this one takes the lag away i,ll be greatly happy!!!


Put it this way, almost any card would be better than the integrated graphics, even a PCI card. Don't know what your total budget is, or availability where you are, but a X800 GTO would be better than the 9250. A 9250 will be better than integrated graphics, its just that you should be able to get a better card for the money spent.

Not sure how you ended up with 960 mg of ram, as most would have an even gig of ram (two 512 sticks or four 256 sticks), but the 960 mg of ram would still be better than 512 mg.
September 28, 2006 7:36:42 PM

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Almost certainly not, sadly.

You may be able to play at a sensible speed in 640x480 - possibly if you're *really* lucky in 800x600. Nothing higher than that, not with a 9250.


9250 easily gets 1024*786 with medium effects in cs source. A friend of mine has the 9250 gamer edition (dont think thats REALLY faster) but could play it.
September 28, 2006 8:52:24 PM

YES THANK YOU!!! i was stressin about that after everyone was like no cant play cs or dod all this crap... thank you so much FeareX
and as for the ram i unno exactly what my father inlaw did he said he added a gig of ram and when i look at the system info it reads 960 MB RAM and he designs a wide aray of chips for a living lol
no matter im stoked now :) 
thanks everyone for the advice
September 29, 2006 8:40:15 AM

I suspect there's 1024Mb of RAM in it, 64Mb of which are taken by the onboard graphics - so 960Mb - this means that when you disable the onboard graphics you should have the full gig.
September 29, 2006 9:02:37 AM

Put it in the PCI slot it'll use less dikfer
September 29, 2006 1:13:06 PM

ya makes sence but after i disable the onboard and conect/install the new one im getting that will take up some Ram correct?

and if its a agp card i think i,ll put it in the agp slot and i dont know what the f dikfer is lol
September 29, 2006 3:33:17 PM

An AGP card won't take up any ram. It comes with its own. Then maybe you will have a full gig of ram to work with.
September 29, 2006 3:38:07 PM

HELL YA thats wicked
tho im still having thoughts on how to install the thing v.v lol
been looking around everyone has a different approach on it.
mainly its the disabling of the integrated and the steps after words.
i checked my bios jsut for the hell of it and in advanced setting it comes up with onboard chip config when i go in there it gives me a choice of what my primary graphics can be. pci/agp/onboard agp.
if anyone can help me i have its a packardbell imedia 1308 i have.
September 29, 2006 3:44:01 PM

If those are your choices and your putting in an AGP card, just set it to AGP. After, turn off your computer, put in the new card, reboot, and install the drivers for your new card. You may need to uninstall your onboard video drivers first because they can conflict with the drivers for your AGP card.
September 29, 2006 3:47:59 PM

k sweet will try that out
jsut to make clear i put it to agp befor putting the card in the slot?
September 29, 2006 3:51:54 PM

Yes.
September 29, 2006 3:55:01 PM

allright then i think thats all i need to knwo from this forum hahaha
THANK YOU everyone who has been of help to me lol
this forum has made its fair amount of hits i would have to say hahaha
September 30, 2006 6:25:25 AM

no problem
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