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7600gt rated better than x850xt in a toms article?

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September 28, 2006 9:10:51 PM

I think is the fact that it supports shader model 3.0 and is cheaper and if you check the vga charts the x850xt does not completely whoops the 7600 gt, only bests it by a small margin (aprox 8 fps).

So basically it's that, "similar" performance, relatively cheaper and SM 3.0
September 28, 2006 9:16:37 PM

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I think is the fact that it supports shader model 3.0 and is cheaper and if you check the vga charts the x850xt does not completely whoops the 7600 gt, only bests it by a small margin (aprox 8 fps).

So basically it's that, "similar" performance, relatively cheaper and SM 3.0

"Cheaper"? A 7600GT from XFX is 140, a x850xt from Sapphire 120.

It has double the memory interface (the 7600GT has a puny 128bit interface), and 4 more pipelines. Definately better for more demanding games.

Also: some people say that the 7600GT's clocks speeds justify its weaknesses. Let me say something: No. The X850XT can be clocked higher (I have mine at 575/1250 compared to the 560/1400 of the 7600GT; a 150MHz difference on the ram won't make up for 20MHz loss on the core, half the memory interface, and 4 less pipelines).... So if it performs better when at stock speeds, guess how good it performs overclocked? In the 7800/7900 range. (If you dont believe me check out my poll.)

Besides, almost no games make use of SM3 yet (*good* use of it). Plus, if you have a card (7600GT) that can't handle any game on all maximum, why do you think that you'll get playable performance with HDR on?

EDIT: Oh wait, I must've been looking at the wrong card or something. The standard 7600GT is 560/1400, not 580/1500. So I can clock my GPU even higher than the 7600, with the ram 75MHz (150 effective) away...
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September 28, 2006 9:37:49 PM

Sounds like you have no idea what you're talking about. Good job. There're both good cards, no doubt. Each shine in games oriented to them, the 7600GT uses less power and does heat up your case as much. MOST games are playable with maximum settings at 1024x768 or 1280x1024. And there CERTAINLY are NOT many games you can play on MAX on the x850xt that you cannot on the 7600GT. In other words. Get the card that is the brand you perfer or suites the games you play best.
September 28, 2006 9:43:30 PM

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Sounds like you have no idea what you're talking about. Good job. There're both good cards, no doubt. Each shine in games oriented to them, the 7600GT uses less power and does heat up your case as much.

The x850xt will blow hot air out of the case, unlike the puny cooler of the 7600GT that will reuse hot air and just blow it back into the case.
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MOST games are playable with maximum settings at 1024x768 or 1280x1024.

The higher memory interface and the 4 more pipelines help out x850xt in larger resolutions.
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And there CERTAINLY are NOT many games you can play on MAX on the x850xt that you cannot on the 7600GT.

Good point. I'll have to get myself one of these 7600GTs and see if what most of you say is actually true. I'll do the same test as I did with the x850xt.
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September 28, 2006 9:52:35 PM

I agree that they are essentialy the same in performance. The additional pipelines help out the x850xts shortcomings related to "features" that nVidia cards do better since many games support nVidia more... Im thinking of BF2.

The prices are very similar too..

So really its a tossup... pick the one that is most widely endorsed by the games you prefer, since it is likely that those games may have been developed with those cards capabilities and strengths in mind (SM 3, etc)

Note that im only compareing the x850xt to the 7600gt.... these ideas I have brought up may not apply to higher end cards from ati or nVidia (yet)
September 28, 2006 9:58:26 PM

A) most people don't play at resolutions over 1280X1024.
B) There are other case fans in most systems.
C) it's nice to actually be able to use all your expansion slots.

D) If you're considering getting a card over $120, just bite the bullet and get the 1900GT.
September 28, 2006 10:00:30 PM

The performance is about the same; however, the 7600GT is a newer card, with better features, which uses less power.
September 28, 2006 10:58:44 PM

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A) most people don't play at resolutions over 1280X1024.
Because they simply can't ;P.
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B) There are other case fans in most systems.
Yes, But non are specifically oriented for small fan of the 7600GT.
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C) it's nice to actually be able to use all your expansion slots.

Yeah... PCI-E x1 slot.... veeeeerrrry useful ;P.
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D) If you're considering getting a card over $120, just bite the bullet and get the 1900GT.

I don't get the deal with the 1900GT.... A x850xt overclocks beyond its speeds, plus the 1900GT has 4 less pipelines... From a technical point of view, doesn't this mean you're wasting 75$? Or is there something i'm missing?
September 28, 2006 11:29:49 PM

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I don't get the deal with the 1900GT.... A x850xt overclocks beyond its speeds, plus the 1900GT has 4 less pipelines... From a technical point of view, doesn't this mean you're wasting 75$? Or is there something i'm missing?


X1900GT- R580
X850XT - R480

Does this ring any bell?


Core 2 Duo 1.86Ghz
Pentium 4 3.6 Ghz

Which one is faster???

Yes, you are missing a lot of things...
September 28, 2006 11:30:33 PM

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I agree that they are essentialy the same in performance. The additional pipelines help out the x850xts shortcomings related to "features" that nVidia cards do better since many games support nVidia more... Im thinking of BF2.

The prices are very similar too..

So really its a tossup... pick the one that is most widely endorsed by the games you prefer, since it is likely that those games may have been developed with those cards capabilities and strengths in mind (SM 3, etc)

Note that im only compareing the x850xt to the 7600gt.... these ideas I have brought up may not apply to higher end cards from ati or nVidia (yet)


im just gonna say this, my bro got the 7600GT and i got the x850xt. and in bf2 his frame rate runs (tops out should i say) at like 90, i run at 70-80, however, his card suffers huge drops of framerates often, to fps below 40, even 30. Really, the nvidia's ony benefit is its SM3.0. If youre wanting either card ive got to say, and this is from first hand experience, they are pretty much identical in performance, overall. The x850xt has a better fan, and the 7600GT has a better GPU architecture with better features. Also, the x850xt supports anti-aliasing up to 6 samples, the 7600GT only goes up to 4 samples.
September 29, 2006 12:23:15 AM

12x3 = 36-16 = 20.

Yes I believe he is missing approximately 20 shaders. :) 
September 29, 2006 12:24:23 AM

Ahh, yes, ofcource =P... I seemed to be missing that =D.
September 29, 2006 2:39:14 AM

You have to remember in most benchmarks, the 1900gt is only 1 fps better then the 850. Doesn't justify the extra $75! IF your going to shell out $200+, you might as will get the x1900xt 256.

Me, I went with the x850xt pe for $110 from newegg. IT meets all my requirements and helped me save a buck in anticipation of DX10 cards.
September 29, 2006 2:41:48 AM

"Most" of the benchmarks are not "Fear" and "Oblivion." Which are the types graphics that will be becoming more common in the near future. So, you can buy just about whatever you want if you're only concern in today.
September 29, 2006 3:22:46 AM

eh, most benchmarks only show fear, oblivion, and hl2. . . but, rise of legands, bf2, and prey were also in some of the benches that I looked at
September 29, 2006 11:29:46 AM

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You have to remember in most benchmarks, the 1900gt is only 1 fps better then the 850. Doesn't justify the extra $75! IF your going to shell out $200+, you might as will get the x1900xt 256.

Me, I went with the x850xt pe for $110 from newegg. IT meets all my requirements and helped me save a buck in anticipation of DX10 cards.

There are a few games where the x1900gt doesn´t justify the difference, but if you want SM3 ( I don´t care about this one) or to a future monitor upgrade to 1600x1200, then the x1900gt it's a better buy.
Anyway, it's his choice.

Did anyone mention 7900GS? :wink:
September 29, 2006 12:20:08 PM

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I think is the fact that it supports shader model 3.0 and is cheaper and if you check the vga charts the x850xt does not completely whoops the 7600 gt, only bests it by a small margin (aprox 8 fps).

So basically it's that, "similar" performance, relatively cheaper and SM 3.0

"Cheaper"? A 7600GT from XFX is 140, a x850xt from Sapphire 120.

It has double the memory interface (the 7600GT has a puny 128bit interface), and 4 more pipelines. Definately better for more demanding games.

Also: some people say that the 7600GT's clocks speeds justify its weaknesses. Let me say something: No. The X850XT can be clocked higher (I have mine at 575/1250 compared to the 560/1400 of the 7600GT; a 150MHz difference on the ram won't make up for 20MHz loss on the core, half the memory interface, and 4 less pipelines).... So if it performs better when at stock speeds, guess how good it performs overclocked? In the 7800/7900 range. (If you dont believe me check out my poll.)

Besides, almost no games make use of SM3 yet (*good* use of it). Plus, if you have a card (7600GT) that can't handle any game on all maximum, why do you think that you'll get playable performance with HDR on?

EDIT: Oh wait, I must've been looking at the wrong card or something. The standard 7600GT is 560/1400, not 580/1500. So I can clock my GPU even higher than the 7600, with the ram 75MHz (150 effective) away...

So your super overclocked x850xt beats the stock 7600GT? Wow grats. However, you can also overclock the 7600GT quite a bit. Mine is running at 650/1600.
September 29, 2006 6:06:34 PM

sweet thanks for the infos!!! I pretty much only play BF2 online so I just need a good frame rate at 1280x1024. My 9800 Pro can't seem to really handle it. I think Ima stick with the x850.
Thanks again.
September 29, 2006 6:57:59 PM

It also depends on the manufacturer of the Card. MSI has a nice one that blows outside the case as well. Might want to make a more direct statement about the paticular manufacture your talking about.
September 29, 2006 7:12:46 PM

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I think is the fact that it supports shader model 3.0 and is cheaper and if you check the vga charts the x850xt does not completely whoops the 7600 gt, only bests it by a small margin (aprox 8 fps).

So basically it's that, "similar" performance, relatively cheaper and SM 3.0

"Cheaper"? A 7600GT from XFX is 140, a x850xt from Sapphire 120.

It has double the memory interface (the 7600GT has a puny 128bit interface), and 4 more pipelines. Definately better for more demanding games.

Also: some people say that the 7600GT's clocks speeds justify its weaknesses. Let me say something: No. The X850XT can be clocked higher (I have mine at 575/1250 compared to the 560/1400 of the 7600GT; a 150MHz difference on the ram won't make up for 20MHz loss on the core, half the memory interface, and 4 less pipelines).... So if it performs better when at stock speeds, guess how good it performs overclocked? In the 7800/7900 range. (If you dont believe me check out my poll.)

Besides, almost no games make use of SM3 yet (*good* use of it). Plus, if you have a card (7600GT) that can't handle any game on all maximum, why do you think that you'll get playable performance with HDR on?

EDIT: Oh wait, I must've been looking at the wrong card or something. The standard 7600GT is 560/1400, not 580/1500. So I can clock my GPU even higher than the 7600, with the ram 75MHz (150 effective) away...

So your super overclocked x850xt beats the stock 7600GT? Wow grats. However, you can also overclock the 7600GT quite a bit. Mine is running at 650/1600.

Am I missing <sarcasm> tags? What is "super overclocked" supposed to mean? The x850xt beats the 7600GT at stock speeds, at overclocked speeds it *can* compare to the 7800 and 7900. And I never said the 7600GT can't be overclocked. In fact, it overclocks quite well.

Anyways, I'm buying myself a x1800xt or a x1900xt soon in the future, so whatever.

EDIT: Forum doesn't support < and > tags...
September 29, 2006 8:19:37 PM

If you actually buy a x1800xt, someone needs to hunt you down and slap you silly.
September 30, 2006 10:53:27 AM

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If you actually buy a x1800xt, someone needs to hunt you down and slap you silly.

Sheesh, wtf happened to all the x1800xts? I can only find 2 card for like 350$.....

Sorry 'bout that, I'm going with the x1900xt for that matter =D.
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