C55+ MCP55 is clearly the chipset that many Intel Enthusiasts is waiting for since NVIDIA scrapped the nForce 590 SLI chipset plans. It gonna be excellent for overclocking from what we heard and retail boards are coming in by end November. We can see clearly that NVIDIA is pushing it hard for November availability/launch, a month where many new products such as Kentsfield, Clovertown, G80 going to be announced. C55+MCP55 sports SLI x16 with a total of 50 PCIe lanes in 22/4 + 28/6 configs. It supports DDR2 800, 1333FSB, 6 x SATA2, dual GbE, HT 1.0, 10 USB, HD-Audio.
Ahhhhh....just in time. 2 months after the release of core 2 duo.
Intel has been enjoying the chipset monopoly. They purposely released core 2 early forcing everyone to buy there chipsets. Then proceeded to charge so much good mobos cost $250. What a joke.
I bought a Nforce5 mobo the day AM2 was released.
MrsFUD,
Core 2 Duo is compatible with other older chipsets also, not only with Intel chipset like you are missinformed or like you are spreading FUD. Also Intel don't really care about their chipsets and they are letting other companies like nVIDIA, ex ATi, VIA, ex ALi/ULi and SIS to make chipsets for their CPUs, like they are letting other companies like Asus, Abit, MSI, Gigabyte and many others to produce mainboards for their platforms.
For example:
ASRock 775Dual-VSTA Socket T (LGA 775) VIA PT880 PRO
costs $55 and it supports DDR, DDR2, AGP x8, PCIe x16 and supports Core 2 Duo offcourse.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6813157092
Ahhhhh....just in time. 2 months after the release of core 2 duo.
Intel has been enjoying the chipset monopoly. They purposely released core 2 early forcing everyone to buy there chipsets. Then proceeded to charge so much good mobos cost $250. What a joke.
I bought a Nforce5 mobo the day AM2 was released.
Oh yeah I can see your leet system is running an uber Sempron64. Wowzers! All Hail Queen Biatch! You certainly have a right to judge Core 2's
AM2 is a crap platform. It's a stopgate much like socket 754 was. K8L will need a new chipset supporting HT3.0. AM2 will be good for the entire 65nm AM2 K8 lineup but that's about it.
Man, we're freaking harsh in this forum. I mean, we all know MrsDumbass is just jealous because he's a bum sitting in his parents house with no money to buy the core 2 duo and the high-end mobo's, but no need to jump on him and pound on what he says.
As to MrsDumbass, did it occur to you that people might have bought the 975X chipset because of its superior overclocking features, and the 965 chipset for its improved southbridge? The AsRock has been available for quite a while too, and that isin't an Intel chipset last time I checked.
While your bashing on these companies, might as well bash on Apple also, for not releasing sizes of new iPod's so people are forced to buy their crappy cases. Or bash on nVidia, for not allowing others to run SLI.
What's even funnier is when you support nVidia you're now actually supporting Intel since ATi has been bought by AMD!
Fukwit
Actually that works for me. It keeps all the worst products together in one place now.
Intel cpus are significantly faster than AMDs and Ati have never been able to write as good drivers as nVidia, especially on Linux.
Not entirely true. AMD had significantly faster CPU's for 3 Years while ATi drivers are more stable then nVIDIA drivers under Windows (stated by Microsoft). There are more bugs that remain unfixed in nVIDIA drivers then ATi drivers. Also ATi's Catalyst is on a monthly cycle with Microsoft WHQL certified drivers each month. nVIDIA, on the other hand, release (or supposedly leak) BETA driver after BETA driver after BETA driver, having the community be the guinea pig and fixing issues before they release a full WHQL set each 3-6months (and then claim they contain less bugs.. no sh!t, you've released 1-3 unstable BETA sets in the meantime that were tested by gamers).
In the end, this has benefited ATi of course this does not apply to Linux. ATi drivers are close but still not up to par under Linux. But then again Linux commands a VERY, Microscopic minuscule corner of the market.
So no company "OWNS" the market. Things change, each company has it's ups and downs. It just so happens that C2D is superior to K8 in everyway, but then again... Intel better not sit on there laurels.
Also the image quality between ATi and nVidia top-end cards are day and night. At same performance, ATi is simply far superior not to mention they've got best performance/$ absolutely sercured with X1900GT<-EDITED and X1900XT 256MB.
It's going to take a lot of work from nVidia to beat R600 with G80 as well.
Also the image quality between ATi and nVidia top-end cards are day and night. At same performance, ATi is simply far superior not to mention they've got best performance/$ absolutely sercured with X1900XT and X1900XT 256MB.
It's going to take a lot of work from nVidia to beat R600 with G80 as well.
Ahh I love people who post facts...
Of couse that's not to say nVIDIA doesn't have advantage's over ATi. Mainly OpenGL performance and nVIDIA's SLI tends to be easier to use and does not need a Dongle or a dedicated "Master" card. But, R600 will change this.
That's not to say Crossfire doesn't hold advantages. The reason I went Crossfire is for the reasons you stated Wusy but going further it was BECAUSE of the master card's extra features that I went Crossfire. Mainly the inclusion of two parallel Compositing Engines which enable me to use high levels of AA and AF with little to no performance hit. The same Super AA settings on an SLI setup brings the Frame Rates to a crawl.
I'm a performance and image quality kind of guy. I love my AA and AF.
Of course I believe nVIDIA will rectify some of there short comings with the G80.
What's even funnier is when you support nVidia you're now actually supporting Intel since ATi has been bought by AMD!
Fukwit
Surely you're supporting nVidia not Intel? :S. I wonder if Intel will make some kind of agreement with nVidia. Imagine, 45nm Graphics cards while ATI are still on 65nm.
What's even funnier is when you support nVidia you're now actually supporting Intel since ATi has been bought by AMD!
Fukwit
Actually that works for me. It keeps all the worst products together in one place now.
Intel cpus are significantly faster than AMDs and Ati have never been able to write as good drivers as nVidia, especially on Linux.
>>> AMD had significantly faster CPU's for 3 Years
"Had" is the keyword there. I don't care about where they used to be. They are still charging near $800 for an fx-62 which gets eaten alive on performance by a $180 core2 6300.
>> while ATi drivers are more stable then nVIDIA drivers under Windows
Baloney. I've had nVidia cards since 3DFX went bust and NEVER had a problem with their drivers under windows. I also use Linux. ATI haven't even ever bothered to make a linux driver for their GPU in my 3 yr old laptop. nVidia support all their hardware, even the old stuff under Linux.
>>In the end, this has benefited ATi of course this does not apply to Linux. ATi drivers are close but still not up to par under Linux.
That is not true. On Linux, ATI GPUs have MUCH less performance and loads of compatability issues, mostly down to their crappy drivers. nVidias Linux drivers are rock-solid and 3D graphics are usually as fast if not faster than windows.
I'm not an nVidia fanboy, I'm just going with the best for what I do and would consider ATI if their Linux drivers were better. Its not an option right now though.
>> But then again Linux commands a VERY, Microscopic minuscule corner of the market.
Maybe in your world. I earn my living as a Linux software developer.
Awesome! So you owned nothing but nVidia cards are you are now the authority on ATi
That makes loads of sense as an argument and is not a fallacy at all!
I guess my 9800pro sucked and my new X1800XT 512MB card must suck as well.
The fact that ATi cards can actually allow you to slide video overlays from one display to another seamlessly (which nVidia drivers don't) must also account for their driver suckness.
The fact they can force older HDTV displays to 720p and 1080i (which nVidia can't) must suck as well
And I guess the fact you are developing for such a common OS for desktop gaming makes you the guy to ask about gaming products.....
What's even funnier is when you support nVidia you're now actually supporting Intel since ATi has been bought by AMD!
Fukwit
Actually that works for me. It keeps all the worst products together in one place now.
Intel cpus are significantly faster than AMDs and Ati have never been able to write as good drivers as nVidia, especially on Linux.
>>> AMD had significantly faster CPU's for 3 Years
"Had" is the keyword there. I don't care about where they used to be. They are still charging near $800 for an fx-62 which gets eaten alive on performance by a $180 core2 6300.
>> while ATi drivers are more stable then nVIDIA drivers under Windows
Baloney. I've had nVidia cards since 3DFX went bust and NEVER had a problem with their drivers under windows. I also use Linux. ATI haven't even ever bothered to make a linux driver for their GPU in my 3 yr old laptop. nVidia support all their hardware, even the old stuff under Linux.
>>In the end, this has benefited ATi of course this does not apply to Linux. ATi drivers are close but still not up to par under Linux.
That is not true. On Linux, ATI GPUs have MUCH less performance and loads of compatability issues, mostly down to their crappy drivers. nVidias Linux drivers are rock-solid and 3D graphics are usually as fast if not faster than windows.
I'm not an nVidia fanboy, I'm just going with the best for what I do and would consider ATI if their Linux drivers were better. Its not an option right now though.
>> But then again Linux commands a VERY, Microscopic minuscule corner of the market.
Maybe in your world. I earn my living as a Linux software developer.
Look at how much Marketshare Linux command.. an astounding 0.47%!
Also worth noting that ATi drivers have improved dramatically in Linux. Tom's and Anandtech have released articles on teh subject. They're not as good as nVIDIA's.. but damn close.
nVIDIA drivers are subpar for Windows. What I told you is true. Most of there drivers are BETA unstable kits. They release WHQL drivers once in a blue moon. This is one of ATi's strengths. If you were a user of both companies (as Wusy and I are) you would understand this.
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