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Best vid card for 300-400 range.

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September 29, 2006 4:26:12 PM

Must be pci-xpress, I'm currently looking at

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

It's just below 300, but I have 400$ to spend, so might as well go big, any suggestions from the pros?

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September 29, 2006 4:51:56 PM

Sorry, we can't answer that until we know your system spec's, and how long you are planning to, or are likely too, keep your current PC. That is, will this card be the last you buy for this system, or will you replace it a year from now with a DX10 card?
September 29, 2006 4:52:16 PM

Well, if you're buying the card for gaming it's not too hard to make a recommendation.

Newegg has the X1900 XT 256mb for about $240 the last time I looked... it should outperform the 7950 GT in pretty much every game.

Much better card, and cheaper too!

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102051

If you're not into gaming, both of these cards are overkill.
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September 29, 2006 6:02:59 PM

Yeah, ditto what Cleeve said.
September 29, 2006 6:15:31 PM

Ditto again.
September 29, 2006 7:15:18 PM

Ahh screw Cleeve. The guy who wrote this sticky obviously knows more than him. It's all there in plain English. :roll:
September 29, 2006 7:17:33 PM

Ditto what Paul, and Cleeve said.

Ditto what Anoobis said? 8O
September 29, 2006 8:05:49 PM

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Ahh screw Cleeve.


Yarr! I don't know what I'm talkin about. :p 
September 29, 2006 8:40:36 PM

I'm here for ya man. There nothing like positive derogatory reinforcement to keep the spirit up. :) 
September 29, 2006 9:12:28 PM

yes, that is a good deal. But I can't trust someone who can't type. :roll:
September 29, 2006 9:22:50 PM

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yes, that is a good deal. But I can't trust someone who can't type. :roll:
Well at the moment i currently own a 1900xt 512,7800GTX 512,7900GTX and a 7950GX2.I can tell you for a fact that the 1900 rapes all of them execpt the 7950GX2.
September 29, 2006 9:29:54 PM

Yes, you should also know that the 256mb version is exact same as the 512mb version, besides the memory. So performance is basically same, unless you keep increasing resolution.

Also, you don't need to wave that e-penis at everyone here.
September 29, 2006 9:38:28 PM

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1900xt 512 obviously nybody that recomends nything else is clearly mentally deficient!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


To me, it seems that it's obvious the 256mb version is an excellent deal and performs almost as well as the 512mb version for less money... and that anyone who can't see that is mentally deficient. :p 

Assuming a $100 spread, get the 256mb card. But prices always change, if the 512mb version is closer in price, it'a a good buy, too.
September 29, 2006 9:39:42 PM

I have to agree with the rest of the bunch. X1900XT for that price range.

BTW what is up with the e-penis line ???
September 29, 2006 9:59:28 PM

Usually the longer the e-penis list, the smaller the real penis.
September 29, 2006 10:40:33 PM

There's always the exception to the rule. John Holmes, Ron Jeremy, Tommy Lee, etc...
September 29, 2006 10:51:58 PM

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Yes, you should also know that the 256mb version is exact same as the 512mb version, besides the memory. So performance is basically same, unless you keep increasing resolution.

Also, you don't need to wave that e-penis at everyone here.

The 512mb version offers severaly benifits including the obvious 1 of being able to use 512mb textures(you can also use this on the 256mb version but puts atlot more strain on the mem)also differnt memory is used in 512mb versions which can usually hit 900mhz!.The 512mb version is worth it,especially if theres only like 100 dollars in the differnce!
September 29, 2006 11:04:57 PM

Games that run on the doom3 engine(eg doom3 quake4 and prey)use over 500mb of vram on ultra quality.Oblivion also use over 500mb along with GRAW,F.E.A.R. and plenty of other games!also its the fact that they use over 256mb of vram is whats important not that they dont use over 500
September 29, 2006 11:15:37 PM

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can you show me a link or something cause im sure that is wrong. in fact every discussion i have seen on the topic has said different.
Ya sure no prob give me 5 mins :D 
September 29, 2006 11:24:08 PM

From the benches im looking at its bout 5-10 frames slower than the 512mb 1900xt in games(that use 512mb textures).the gap between the 256 1900xt and 512 1900xt become more apparent as the AA and resolutions increase.
September 29, 2006 11:28:53 PM

it clearly does since the only varaible between the two card is the memory size
September 29, 2006 11:34:14 PM

That bench mark clearly shows that games running on the doom3 engine use over 500mbs(well atleast over 256) of vram.since the vram is the only variable between the two cards nd the 512 mb card scores higher.i will also screenshot something for you in 2mins
September 29, 2006 11:42:29 PM

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are you sure about that. how much video memory did that 7900 have. was that a 512 mb version.

you have to understand that proves nothing as the 256 and the 512 x1900 have slightly different clocks as well IIRC. perhaps it is memory but until you can provide proof( no not some bloody chart) i won't belive you and you make yourself look like a noob.

please give me the links which say all the games you mentioned use that much memory.

i do not want pics. i want YOU to provide the links to articles.

http://www.pureoverclock.com/article33-4.html
September 29, 2006 11:50:32 PM

Its hard to find articles on vram usage :cry:  but that article just proved that quake 4 (prey and doom3) use well over 256mb of vram
September 29, 2006 11:53:01 PM

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so you do know how to post links. now what about the rest of the games and also it didn't use more than 400 let alone 500.

yes you are right about that but the fact that it uses over 256 gives the 512 card the advantage
September 29, 2006 11:53:36 PM

He ain't gonna be able to run Doom 3 at "ultra" quality at playable framerates. It'll be a really good rig, but that needs a smoker.
September 29, 2006 11:59:05 PM

yes but theres only 70 dollars in the differnce and in my openion the 512 cards worth it
September 30, 2006 12:02:54 AM

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yes but theres only 70 dollars in the differnce and in my openion the 512 cards worth it

To get few extra framerates you can't notice?

Your "proof" didn't show significant improvements with more VRAM, which goes against your argument.
September 30, 2006 12:14:58 AM

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Your "proof" didn't show significant improvements with more VRAM, which goes against your argument.

Yes it did!!! it showed that the 512 7800gt got like 10 fps more than the 256 version!!!!
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September 30, 2006 12:15:33 AM

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it clearly does since the only varaible is the memory size

That's not neccesarily true. According to Anand's 256MB X1900XT preview, the 256MB version uses different RAM chips running relaxed timings compared to the 512MB version. Most of that difference you point to could be from relaxed timings and not the amount of memory. I have not seen any other review site back that statement up or disprove it either. Most sites like FS assume it is the amount of RAM making the difference. I feel the 512MB leads way to often( consistently) to be just the amount of RAM making the difference.

Anyway, reguardless, I don't see the 512MB version worth $100. IMO it's $50 at the most and even less for me.
September 30, 2006 12:42:58 AM

And since the whole point of the argument was "which is a better card" The 512mb card wins not only because of the extra texture memory, but also the tighter mem. timings :roll:

Btw, I also have an X1900XT, 2 x X1950XTX, a 7800GTX 512, 2x 7900GTX and a GX2 (looking for a second) and And after getting a (then) WR for a watercooled 1900XT(X) I think I know just a little about these cards.

Also, how old do you have to be before you grow out of the retarded phase that you seem to be in now? 12? 12 nd a quarter?
September 30, 2006 12:57:48 AM

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And since the whole point of the argument was "which is a better card" The 512mb card wins not only because of the extra texture memory, but also the tighter mem. timings :roll:

Btw, I also have an X1900XT, 2 x X1950XTX, a 7800GTX 512, 2x 7900GTX and a GX2 (looking for a second) and And after getting a (then) WR for a watercooled 1900XT(X) I think I know just a little about these cards.

Also, how old do you have to be before you grow out of the retarded phase that you seem to be in now? 12? 12 nd a quarter?


Hey BigChrome bout time u showed up...........and ye all just got OWnEndNnD by 2 15yr olds(wit bttr systems than ye)that hold several world records (1900xt and 5500)
September 30, 2006 1:05:52 AM

Ya, Pauldh, go get Lepresy :D 

Then at least u can sell ur body for research and afford a PROPER computer. :roll:
September 30, 2006 1:11:13 AM

This ignited into a warzone pretty quick eh, anyway. If it helps, I'll be playing oblivion mostly, world of warcraft plays even on my laptop so that's not a problem, like I said, I have a 400$ budget, so if 512mb is the best way to go, let me know, if oblivion can use the 512mb, then sure thing, also would like to take into consideration any possible new games coming out that might be able to utilize the 512mb as well, thanks again for all your insights *those whom posted some*, and if anyone can find proof that oblivion performs better on a 512 card that'd be great, now I'm just torn between nvidia and ati, apparently everyone here favors the 1900 by ati, so we'll see, carry on gentlemen.

Also, thes 512mb versions are only 340$, anyone trust asus or gigabyte for graphics cards?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681... - asus
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681... - gb
September 30, 2006 1:17:01 AM

http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/07/10/can_your_rig_run_oblivion/page11.html
At the settings tested, 512MB of texture memory made absolutely no difference in Oblivion.

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Courtesy of a pair of GeForce 7800 GTXs, both running at identical 450 MHz core and 1.25 GHz DDR memory frequencies, we investigated the performance advantage offered by doubling video memory availability from 256 MB to 512 MB. And the surprising answer is that there's virtually none, even at resolutions as high as 2560x1600. Granted, it's likely that flicking the anti-aliasing switch would demonstrate a more significant delta. However on Nvidia's GeForce GPUs, at least, that would mean sacrificing the glory that is HDR. Only ATI's Radeon X1000 series of processors can currently apply anti-aliasing to the FP16 type of HDR lighting used by Oblivion

September 30, 2006 1:18:35 AM

both those companies are gd
a b U Graphics card
September 30, 2006 1:24:41 AM

Whoa, ease up Jr. :lol:  You aren't mature enough to handle someone correcting you? Seems we have a couple of rich 15 year old brats who have daddy's money but not his time or love. I feel sorry for you. Too bad that doesn't mean you know jack about cards. I've built hundreds of machines and been doing it since you were in diapers (what was that, last year?). But y'all just come right in brag about daddy's cards and try to impress others. Fact is I bet you already have lost the respect of just about every regular here....... Daddy's money won't buy that here, you have to earn it. And it has absolutely nothing to do with the card in your sig, some of the most respected people here are using pretty crappy cards. anyway, It's bedtime kiddies, go home.
September 30, 2006 1:27:46 AM

Mex, are you showing me nvidia cards or ati cards, because it seems from the description that ATI's AA might be able to utilize the 512mb, correct me if I'm being a newb, but that seems to be almost what it's stating, I'm not a huge nvidia fan, so I'll stay away from them if I have to.
September 30, 2006 1:36:20 AM

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Mex, are you showing me nvidia cards or ati cards, because it seems from the description that ATI's AA might be able to utilize the 512mb, correct me if I'm being a newb, but that seems to be almost what it's stating, I'm not a huge nvidia fan, so I'll stay away from them if I have to.

According to the aricle, both of those tests were done on two nVidia GeForce 7800GTXs in SLI. Apparently, they sacrificed AA to use HDR lighting, since nVidia's cards cannot do both at the same time (ATi's can).

It's an entirely reasonable question that I cannot answer (I don't play Oblivion). It's a good thing you pointed that out, because I didn't notice it.
September 30, 2006 1:42:17 AM

LOL, two 15 yearr olds have better rigs? Maybe better rigs than C64 :lol:  :roll:

I can't believe people (mainly n00bz in diapers) think "having" (more like pretending to have) "better" rigs are smarter. Being able to buy (pretend to have/buy) doesn't make anyone smart.

I hope mods take care of the "15 year old" trolls, before they become MMM. :roll:
September 30, 2006 1:59:41 AM

Oblivion runs exactly the same with 256Mb or 512Mb. I saw it tested with a 7900GT(256) and a GTX(512) brought to the same clocks.
September 30, 2006 2:06:45 AM

wow let the ignorence roll

some games utilize higher memory to enhance performance, some dont get over it kiddies.
a b U Graphics card
September 30, 2006 2:07:50 AM

Ah don't call the mods just yet, we can still have some fun with our new little toys while they're here. :wink:

I found it quite comical just how pathetic they are. I actually did LOL @ them; it's good medicine to wisk away the remains of a stressful work day. And I learned something, never knew you can OWnz someone who proves you wrong by listing the cards daddy bought for you. :lol:  :lol:  :lol: 
September 30, 2006 2:34:04 AM

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Ah don't call the mods just yet, we can still have some fun with our new little toys while they're here. :wink:

I'm not calling the mods, I'm scaring them since they believe that whatever they read on the internet is true. :lol: 
September 30, 2006 5:28:34 AM

XDXD e-penises! [late i know but I just read it..]

Get the X1900XT 256mb and since no VGA cooler is worth it in the market right now, attach a 80mm with high CFM vertically, blowing into the butt of the card (duct tape comes to mind :wink: ).
Youll be getting the same performance as with a X1950XTX in no time with this setup.
September 30, 2006 11:10:28 AM

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Ditto what Paul, and Cleeve said.

Ditto what Anoobis said? 8O


Ditto that Ditto.
September 30, 2006 12:17:05 PM

If you want you can all donate some money, and I'll go out and buy a 256mb version, find out which one is better, smash it into pieces and then mail the pieces back to ye individually.

That or you could take my word for it that the extra 256megs is worth it.
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