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September 29, 2006 7:20:02 PM

Hi guys, My first post on the these forums. :) 

This coming week, I'm going to be buying a low budget core2duo system. I am going to get a low budget graphics card to last me untill directx 10 cards come out and are affordable.
Updated Setup in a new post down
Case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...
CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1681...
Motherboard: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1681...
GPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1681...
PSU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1681...
Ram: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1682...

I'm still debating on all the parts, my main goal is to save money, but have the best performance for the $$ :) .
September 29, 2006 7:27:49 PM

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Everything looks pretty good. I've seen that case at my local PC shop and didn't care for how flimzy it was. I took the side panel off and it flopped around like an aluminum baking pan. Almost worse.

Okay, I will pick out a better case and update. I have a zalman heatsink waiting for it. I will be overclocking. I was also debating about getting an asus motherboard instead, but seeing that this is cheaper I'm picking this. I have no experience with this brand other than reviews I see online. :wink:
September 29, 2006 7:45:24 PM

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Historicly Gigabyte boards have ben good for OC. Mine however is one of there worst for OC. That dosn't mean yours is a bad one. Mine is limited by the under cooled NB.
Let's hope Its good for OC'in.
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September 29, 2006 8:43:22 PM

I'd go for something better than a 1600pro, check out Tom's Video Card chart, not much more money for stuff that's a lot better. I like the rest of the set-up though. I'll probably do something similar in the next few months
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September 29, 2006 9:12:55 PM



I'm a big fan of inexpensive cases, but this one might need some work to get decent cooling, especially since you said you want to OC. The back opening will take a 120mm fan, but it only comes with an 80mm. One of the pics looks like it shows another place for a 120mm fan in the front, although the whorl pattern probably blocks a lot of airflow.
September 29, 2006 10:00:10 PM

I'd consider another power supply because you do not know what you're getting with that one.

Yeah it had dual +12 Volt rails but there is nothing in the specs about the number of amps per rail...

There are other power supplies in that price range you should look into.

mpilchfamily is quite helpful in explaining PSU's

He might be willing to help if you bribe him ;-)

I do not belive that motherboard will work for you in terms of overclocking as it "only supports 1.8 Volts on memory" which almost certainly means you will get disapointing overclocking results...

Don't take my word for it. Read the customer reviews on newegg... They seem very disappointed in that motherboards BIOS, which means OC'ing will be very limited overall.

That motherboard only supports DDR2 667 you should aim for DDR2 800 support for a motherboard, imho even for entry level systems.

Same goes for you RAM - get DD2 800 with the lowest memory timings you can find. Try to find low timings at 1.8 Volts. This will give you room to overclock with.

Make sure the motherboard you do choose allows you to adjust the FSB speed with out affecting the PCI-bus clock rate or you will surely be extremly limited in your overclocking capabilities!

I have no bad oppinions on your CPU or video card choices, other then you should consider the 115 to 150 price range for your video card.

For about 106.00+shipping you can get a 7600GS which should outperform the 1600PRO. (do your research to make sure...)
JATON Video-PX7600GS-256 Geforce 7600GS 256MB GDDR2 PCI Express x16 Video Card - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

Good Luck - feel free to comment,
-Jeff


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I read all 13 reviews of that GB Motherboard on newegg (via the link provided - This motherboard will probably be one of the least overclockable motherboards you can buy... Just read the reviews.

If I wanted to buy a Core2Duo MB and I wanted to Overclock this board looks like it would be one of my last choices!

This seems to be a much better bet for overclocking albiet almost twice as expensive. :( 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...
September 29, 2006 10:53:03 PM

Okay, Thanks.. I'll update it in a couple minutes or so. My current system is ancient and it is way overdue. This upgrade will be like a gift from jesus. Currently I have a 2.6ghz celeron socket 478 1gb of pc2100 ram and a ati radeon 9800xt. the 9800xt is worth more than the whole computer, and that is ancient.. lol my computer bottlenecks it so i can't play source or anything.
September 29, 2006 11:01:56 PM

I understand, in my computer my video card (ASUS nVidia 5200 128MB/128bit) is my bottle neck.

I have an

AMD Athlon64 3000+ (2.0ghz) 754 Socket
ASUS K8V Deluxe Motherboard (original first edition)
Kingston 1GB (2*512MB DDR400) CAS 3-3-3-8
ASUS nVidia 5200 128MB/128Bit (overclocks very stable to 5500 speeds)
2*80GB 7200RPM SATA 1 hard drives (1 samsung, 1 seagate)
intergrated sound and 1Gbps Network.

... I want a 7600 GT AGP ...


:twisted: Can I have your 9800XT :twisted: :lol: 
-Jeff
September 29, 2006 11:10:44 PM

Case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1681...
CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1681...
Motherboard: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1681...
Videocard: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1681...
PSU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1681...
RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1682...
total: $563.35

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Twisted Evil Can I have your 9800XT Twisted Evil Laughing
-Jeff
nah, I'm gonna give it to my little brother while hes in college so he can play some better games while he gets shitfaced :) 
September 29, 2006 11:17:40 PM

I am still concerned about your

Power supply - no specs :-s
Motherboard - no reviews only supports DDR 667
RAM - you need to buy pairs ie. 2*512 or 2*1024 to get good performance.

Remember go for DDR2 800...

-Jeff

PS. About the 9800XT -- At least I tried :-D
September 30, 2006 12:27:47 AM

Thanks for the insight.

I still think that for the few dollars more it cost for ddr2 800 (so don't buy beer for a few days...) difference in price...

blah

Would he really be loosing alot of $ by purchasing a set of DDR 800 vs. his quoted DDR 667?

-Jeff

My turn to ask a question.

Should I upgrade from my ASUS nVidia 5200 128MB/128Bit video card to perhaps an AGP 7600gs (or gt if they are in stock now) or an AGP 7800GS (20 pipeline version -- I'm not interested in ordering from outside the US)

Or should I bite the bullet and upgrade to a C2D or AM2 -- I'm partial to AM2?

PS. I will in all likely hood also need a case and PSU
September 30, 2006 12:50:54 AM

I might will go over budget a bit but its going to overclock alot and outpeform your actual picks:

E6300

GIGABYTE GA-965P-DS3. Excellent overclocking motherboard, very nice $/performance IMO.

Go with the Antec Sonata II with 450W PSU. Its a quiet case with a reliable PSU that will allow future upgrades.

pqi TURBO 1GB (2 x 512MB) DDR2 667 CL4. These will run in dual-channel wich increases performance and since theyre CAS4 theyre overclockable at ~400Mhz CL5.

If your budget allows it, get a 7600GT. It PWNS the other two cards you suggested and its only about $20.
But if you need to stay in that budget, get a powercolor X800GTO, its $87. Also will outperfom the chosen ones.

sry if I missed this in the thread but, wheres your HDD??
September 30, 2006 12:54:55 AM

I assumed he had a HDD :oops: 

-Jeff
September 30, 2006 1:03:32 AM

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The RAM quoted is A single 1gb stick. And newegg dosn't list it's timings.

IMO if you want 1gb then go with a set of 512mb sticks so you can run it in dualchannel. Make for better performance. Look at the timings and go with a Cas Latency of 4. Or even better cas of 3. Spend the money on 667 with better timing. With 667 you can get a cas of 3. with 800 you can only get a cas as low as 4.
Here is a pretty good deal on a good brand. It is the best i could find on newegg. Get 2 of these. 2 comes to $142 + shipping. So not bad for that good of timing.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1682...


As for your personel question i would need to see a full listing of what you have. You need to evaluate weather an upgrade would even be worth the money or if you should save a little more and overhaul the system.


heres what i'm thinking:
mobo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1681...
ram: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1682...
I will most likely buy a pair of 2x1gb later on, so this should do for now, right?
September 30, 2006 1:06:52 AM

I ruled out this board because it defaults to 1.8 Volts on the RAM.

Granted it is possible to boot it (using 1.8V RAM) but it seems rediculous to me.

I would say from what I've researched tonight that this board is second place.
-Jeff

PS. The RAM is better, but not OC worthy... :-/
September 30, 2006 2:30:32 AM

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Well the key things we look at are the CPU, Video card, HDD and Optical Drive. These are the items that will be Running at the same time and working the PSU.
The CPU will need about 6A-8A
GPU needs around 10A when under full load.
HDD and Optical drive will only require about 4A-6A each.
Then theres all the other items and you'll be OCing.

So lets call a consevitive esimate of 24A needed.

According to the CPU Calculator you need about 300W. So we add 30% to that and round it up to 400W.

So hear it is. You want at least a 400W PSU. Dual +12v rails with at least 18A per rail. This will ensure that your total curent output is over 24A. I want to shoot for close to a 30A total output.

Let the search beguin.


FOUND IT! FSP Group PSU
I was thinking about the same when I was looking for it and then I read your post lol. It isnt as cheap as a rosewill one and lacks the feature to blow up in your face in a few months, nothing we cant work with.
September 30, 2006 2:41:18 AM



The RAM I recommended uses the exact same chips and its $20 cheaper. Put that into the motherboard to get the DS3 wich is overclock friendly. Did you even read my recommendations?
Go to the CPU overclocking forums and read wusy's C2D overclocking guide.
September 30, 2006 2:46:44 AM



The RAM I recommended uses the exact same chips and its $20 cheaper. Put that into the motherboard to get the DS3 wich is overclock friendly. Did you even read my recommendations?
Go to the CPU overclocking forums and read wusy's C2D overclocking guide.

I read it lol, but for some reason my browser has been acting funny and has been missing little things, and I can't recall reading a link to anything but a mushkin 512 chip lol :) . I updated it though :) 

I added that powersupply, and the total came out to be $590.35.. this should be a really nice budget build :)  thank you so much everyone :) 
September 30, 2006 3:11:26 AM

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I updated it though
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So you switched the RAM and went for the DS3??
Im not saying anything else about the gfx card because I think youll want to upgrade to DX10 when it comes out. But I would upgrade to a X800GTO. Just think of the Nvidia one without getting the rebate :wink:
September 30, 2006 3:14:49 AM

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I updated it though
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So you switched the RAM and went for the DS3??
Im not saying anything else about the gfx card because I think youll want to upgrade to DX10 when it comes out. But I would upgrade to a X800GTO. Just think of the Nvidia one without getting the rebate :wink:
hmm, good point.. I don't want to spend much at all on a graphics card..
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681... I never had a good rig, and this will run circles around my current computer the no matter what graphics card I pick, so I honestly i'm not worried about buying a good video card untill dx10. I did change ram but I didn't go with the DS3. I'm sticking with the other one I picked out that good newegg reviews about Overclocking. Besides, theres not much to lose anyways, If it isnt so good at overclocking I will not lose any sleep on it because i'm just happy to have something better than now that can atleast play source on low (sadly, mine cant).
September 30, 2006 3:23:56 AM

Check out the tomshardware VGA charts to see exactly how much performance yould be gaining. And as for the rebate, prolly youll never hear from the manufacturer again hehe...
September 30, 2006 3:25:58 AM

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Check out the tomshardware VGA charts to see exactly how much performance yould be gaining. And as for the rebate, prolly youll never hear from the manufacturer again hehe...
yeah, okay thanks man
September 30, 2006 12:25:42 PM

you're welcome...

Good Luck,
-Jeff
September 30, 2006 2:47:31 PM

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I assumed he had a HDD :oops: 

-Jeff

I have an 120gb, all I need/use.
September 30, 2006 4:21:39 PM

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I assumed he had a HDD :oops: 

-Jeff

I have an 120gb, all I need/use.

IDE or SATA?
If its IDE and your motherboard only has one IDE connector youll have to set jumpers and wont be able to use two optical drives.
If your mobo has two IDE connectors ignore me, also if its SATA.
September 30, 2006 6:12:48 PM

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I assumed he had a HDD :oops: 

-Jeff

I have an 120gb, all I need/use.

IDE or SATA?
If its IDE and your motherboard only has one IDE connector youll have to set jumpers and wont be able to use two optical drives.
If your mobo has two IDE connectors ignore me, also if its SATA.
SATA.
September 30, 2006 10:17:08 PM

You're all set then - and for the money you're investing you are getting a nice setup.

-Jeff
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