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September 30, 2006 5:56:49 PM

What is better the x1900xt 256mb version or a 7900gt there both about $240 on newegg so i was wondering which one is better, toms list only shows the 512mb version i think.

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September 30, 2006 6:04:04 PM

X1900XT. Period.
a b U Graphics card
September 30, 2006 6:18:16 PM

Yeah, what Prozac said. 1900XT for sure.
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September 30, 2006 7:49:11 PM

thanks for the help i bought a 7900gt and one of the DVI ports is broken, been messing with it for awhile so im going to RMA it to newegg and pick up a 1900 then.
September 30, 2006 8:17:04 PM

X1900XT = 7900GTX

End of story.
September 30, 2006 8:33:02 PM

I agree! I recently bought the Sapphire X1900XT 256MB and it's a great card imo. However, this card is rather noisy and gets very hot, so you won't be able to dramatically overclock this card.

As for the review, here's one i found at Gamespot, which compares the two cards and definitely suggests the X1900.
September 30, 2006 11:32:26 PM

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I agree! I recently bought the Sapphire X1900XT 256MB and it's a great card imo. However, this card is rather noisy and gets very hot, so you won't be able to dramatically overclock this card.

As for the review, here's one i found at Gamespot, which compares the two cards and definitely suggests the X1900.


I have the same card (well a 512Mb version) but I fitted an Artic Accelero (SP?) X2 to it which has made it un-audioable. If you can afford it (it’s not a lot of money) buy it as it makes the world of difference.

On topic. Buy the X1900 XT, better performance and better image quality.
October 1, 2006 4:35:35 PM

I'm going with everyone else here. X1900XT for the win :lol: 
a c 173 U Graphics card
October 1, 2006 5:13:56 PM

In case your wondering, the x1900xt 256MB card is better then the 7950GT. The 7950GT is just a downclocked 7900GTX (or an overclocked 7900GT, however you prefer to think of it.) I don't think the x1900xt 256MB is better then the 7900GTX, but it would get close.
October 1, 2006 5:13:58 PM

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What is better the x1900xt 256mb version or a 7900gt there both about $240 on newegg so i was wondering which one is better, toms list only shows the 512mb version i think.


The x1900xt.
October 1, 2006 6:15:26 PM

I just purchased a 7900GTO and the pricing is about $10 difference compared to the Sapphire X1900XT 256MB. I think it should perform around the same. Dont' know which is better but I have a SLI board so i went with Nvida. Now I just realize that my powersupply is 2 amps short for the minimum SLI requirement. :( 

I feel this new 7900GTO should be a better comparason to the X1900XT. Perhaps some kind of bios update can make this thing run like the 7900GTX. We'll see i guess.
a c 173 U Graphics card
October 2, 2006 5:02:31 AM

I hadn't heard about the 7900GTO. At first I thought it was a slower clocked 7900GT, which wouldn't make sense considering they are replacing that card with the 7950GT. From what I can tell from EVGA's website, the 7900GTO and GTX are almost the same card. They have the same number of pixelpipelines, same core clocks, and same memory configuration. The sole difference is the GTOs memory is clocked slightly slower. If this card can really be found for $300, it is a steal.

GTR, where did you find it for only $10 more then the 256MB x1900xt? I can find that card for $240, I'd love to find this GTO for $250.
October 2, 2006 1:24:42 PM

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I hadn't heard about the 7900GTO. At first I thought it was a slower clocked 7900GT, which wouldn't make sense considering they are replacing that card with the 7950GT. From what I can tell from EVGA's website, the 7900GTO and GTX are almost the same card. They have the same number of pixelpipelines, same core clocks, and same memory configuration. The sole difference is the GTOs memory is clocked slightly slower. If this card can really be found for $300, it is a steal.

GTR, where did you find it for only $10 more then the 256MB x1900xt? I can find that card for $240, I'd love to find this GTO for $250.


http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/ite...

Tiger direct have them. There is a rebate too :D 
October 2, 2006 2:55:02 PM

X1900XT = 7900GTX

X1900XT wipes the floor with anything lower than that.
October 2, 2006 3:14:19 PM

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X1900XT = 7900GTX

X1900XT wipes the floor with anything lower than that.


Eeeeeeeeeeeeexactly!
October 2, 2006 4:56:49 PM

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X1900XT = 7900GTX

X1900XT wipes the floor with anything lower than that.


We are talking about the 256mb version. I feel the X1900XT=7900GTO since it has 512mb of ram. I guess we will find out and see.
October 2, 2006 5:19:31 PM

Can the GTO be volt modded to hit close to GTX speeds?

I'm not an ATI or NV fanboy, I'm a bang-for-the-buck fanboy. And the X1900XT 256 is one helluva deal for the performance, you gotta admit. I really wish NV would drop some prices, I've always had great experiences with NV.......been snakebit by ATI before and I'm a it shy about pulling the trigger on the XT.

If the GTO can be cranked up close to GTX and the price is comparable, then we have a real horserace. It would draw less power and be alot quieter, thus making up for a few fps difference.......so long as the price is right. GTX's are WAAAAAAAY overpriced for the performance compared to ATI.



Any thoughts on going that route with the GTO????
October 2, 2006 5:59:30 PM

To sum it up more clearly, the X1900XT easily bests any SINGLE GPU that nVidia can throw at it... IMO, there's little reason to continue looking if you're pouring out money for a card. Possibly go up to an X1950XTX if you've got money burning a hole in your pocket, or a 7950GTX if you feel you must.

But really, the way I see it, once you pass the 7900GS, (possibly the best card for its price, BTW) you don't bother with any other GeForce cards; they simply don't deliver a price-performance ratio that can keep up with the X1900XT.
October 2, 2006 6:12:40 PM

Edit: ZipZoomFly has the X1900XT 512MB for $329.99. Updated list.

I used benchmarks from Anandtech to do a price to performance analysis. I tried to keep the same benches between the cards the same as Anandtech decided not to do all the benches for the 7900GT as for the X1900XT 256MB.

Here's what I calculated:

Video Card ------------- Price/Perf ---- Ave. FPS
--------------------------- $/Frame

X1900 XT 256MB -------- 3.61 --------- 66.81
X1900 GT ---------------- 3.85 --------- 52.45
X1900 XT 512MB -------- 4.27 --------- 73.44 (UPDATED from ZipZoomFly!!)
7900 GS ------------------ 4.43 --------- 46.44
7950GT ------------------- 4.60 --------- 65.72
X1900 XT 512MB --------- 4.82 --------- 73.44 (OLD from Newegg)
7900GT ------------------- 5.13 --------- 51.89
7950 GX2 ----------------- 5.19 --------- 96.65
X1900 XTX ---------------- 5.26 --------- 77.33
7900 GS SLI -------------- 5.27 --------- 78.05
7900GTX ------------------ 5.44 --------- 74.53
X1950 XTX ---------------- 5.44 --------- 80.17
7950GT SLI --------------- 5.78 --------- 104.63
X1900 Xfire --------------- 7.08 --------- 114.75
7900 GTX SLI ------------- 7.11 --------- 113.99
X1950 Xfire --------------- 7.13 --------- 122.36

Though I agree that the X1900XT 256MB leads in price/performance, it does not equal the 7900GTX as some would say. At least not by these numbers. The X1900XT 512MB is a little behind the 7900GTX using this analysis as far as FPS but for practical purposes they are the same. As far as Price/Perf, the X1900XT 512MB is the clear winner. And it would depend on what game you are looking at. As the X1900XT 512MB beats the 7900GTX in Oblivion.

But to answer the question on whether the X1900XT or 7900GT is better for around the same amount of money. No question. The X1900XT. To repeat.

X1900XT -- 3.61 dollars per frame -- Ave. 66.81 FPS
7900GT --- 5.13 dollars per frame -- Ave. 51.89 FPS

I used prices as of this morning from Newegg. $241.12 for X1900XT 256MB while $266.12 for the 7900GT. Grant it, the Albatron is $250.12 after MIR but the reviews are bad and I don't know if this manufacturer is reputable.

In fact, based on this analysis, the 7900GT would have to be $187.50 to equal the price/performance of the X1900XT.

X1900XT all the way.
October 2, 2006 7:12:34 PM

Purdue, you rock 8O
:lol: 

Understandably, much argument seems to revolve around performance, but what is really interesting is that sliding scale that translates to real world performance...........

For example, if you play CoD2 and can get 85 fps with a X1900XT 512 at certain settings, 78 fps with the 256 version, and 70 with the GS or something else......you gotta ask yourself: Is the "lowest" card still playable? Yes. Is the "best" card worth the big extra $$? No.

It depends on your game and results, but arguing an 7950 or whatever pwns an XTX (or vice versa) is useless. It's like arguing whether Ferrari or Lamborghini is better. Both are damn fast and will provide amazing performance.

So, then the question becomes: do you spend the big extra $$ to brag, or do you get the other one that does the job just fine and use that extra $$ for something else (DX10, sound card, beer, whatever) ;) 


Regardless, Purdue your point is well taken. I wish the GTX and other NV products would drop in price. When you look at what you get real-world for the price, the higher end stuff (non-SLI or CF) in Nvidia is really hard to swallow. It's a shame because they make great products too, but their prices are nowhere near competitive when you compare it to the performance.




On a supplemental note:
I wonder about the volt mod on the 7900 GTO? Get it at a price comparable to the 1900XT and then jack it up close to a GTX?????
October 2, 2006 7:16:25 PM

Nice work.

Could have better layout though. :twisted:
October 2, 2006 7:29:35 PM

I could do a screen capture of Excel and post it. Now, if someone will help me learn how to do this, then my format will be better. ;-)
October 2, 2006 7:31:30 PM

Alt-PrintScreen then Paste into Photoshop......or even Paint. Save it as a jpg and then host it at Imageshack and post the link here.

8)





:lol: 
a c 173 U Graphics card
October 2, 2006 7:38:10 PM

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I wonder about the volt mod on the 7900 GTO? Get it at a price comparable to the 1900XT and then jack it up close to a GTX?????


Whats with this volt mod stuff? There is no GPU difference between the GTO and the GTX. The cores run at the same frequency. (at least eVGAs does.) The only difference is in the speed of the memory, and that difference is VERY small. (I read it last night, I think GTO was clocked at 1320MHz while the GTX is clocked at 1400MHz.) No voltmod is needed to get to GTX specs.
October 2, 2006 7:40:52 PM

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But really, the way I see it, once you pass the 7900GS, (possibly the best card for its price, BTW) you don't bother with any other GeForce cards; they simply don't deliver a price-performance ratio that can keep up with the X1900XT.


How so? 8O The 7950GX2 is faster than a X1900XTX and X1950XTX and better price/performance ratio.
October 2, 2006 7:45:25 PM

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I wonder about the volt mod on the 7900 GTO? Get it at a price comparable to the 1900XT and then jack it up close to a GTX?????


Whats with this volt mod stuff? There is no GPU difference between the GTO and the GTX. The cores run at the same frequency. (at least eVGAs does.) The only difference is in the speed of the memory, and that difference is VERY small. (I read it last night, I think GTO was clocked at 1320MHz while the GTX is clocked at 1400MHz.) No voltmod is needed to get to GTX specs.

He's right, they have the same cores. Mhz may vary a little, but then again, they do from vendor to vendor within the same model lines. The memory is what is slower on GTO models. Oh, and GTO models aren't available in the US. Seems a Europe only model for the moment.
October 2, 2006 8:07:38 PM

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But really, the way I see it, once you pass the 7900GS, (possibly the best card for its price, BTW) you don't bother with any other GeForce cards; they simply don't deliver a price-performance ratio that can keep up with the X1900XT.


How so? 8O The 7950GX2 is faster than a X1900XTX and X1950XTX and better price/performance ratio.

8O Huh? Please explain how you figure it has a better price/performance ratio than a $240 X1900XT.
October 2, 2006 8:09:56 PM

Having played with both of these graphics cards in 2 identical PCs, dollar for dollar, the X1900 XT is perhaps the best buy on the market right now.

Yes, a little noisy when pushed to its limit, but considering it and the XTX version are both based on the R580 chipset, it overclocks extremely well. I have managed to get my X1900 XT, with stock cooling, running stable at 668 MHz Core / 735 MHz Memory (Stock is 625 MHz Core / 720 MHz Memory).

Bottom line, go with the X1900 XT, you will not be disappointed.
October 2, 2006 8:10:32 PM

The 7950GX2 is practically 2X the price of some X1900XTs, and you sure as hell don't get 2X the performance.
October 2, 2006 8:28:44 PM

Hey Prozac, is this better? 8)



Update: I inadvertantly put the $329.99 for the X1900XT in the X1900XTX column earlier. I've readjusted it and Newegg currently has the best price at $326.12 for the XT.

I also had to update the X1900 Xfire data. I am assuming the X1900 Xfire system uses a X1900XTX and X1900 Xfire board. If this is incorrect, let me know and I will make adjustments as necessary. The X1900 Xfire is $349.99 at Newegg while the X1900XTX is $406.40 for a total of $756.39. The price for the X1950XTX is already for the Xfire, so the Xfire will naturally cost twice as much.

Skyguy, thanks for the lesson.
October 2, 2006 8:30:57 PM

nice.
October 2, 2006 8:35:23 PM

NICE! :wink:
October 2, 2006 9:21:16 PM

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Whats with this volt mod stuff? There is no GPU difference between the GTO and the GTX. The cores run at the same frequency. (at least eVGAs does.) The only difference is in the speed of the memory, and that difference is VERY small. (I read it last night, I think GTO was clocked at 1320MHz while the GTX is clocked at 1400MHz.) No voltmod is needed to get to GTX specs.
Actually, the 7900GTXs stock memory speed is 1.6GHz.
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How so? 8O The 7950GX2 is faster than a X1900XTX and X1950XTX and better price/performance ratio.
Faster, but that's it.
October 3, 2006 4:14:34 AM

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Skyguy, thanks for the lesson.

Not a problem, I'm more of a graphics geek than a comp geek :lol: 

Purdue, awesome work........but could I make one request?? What about the 7900GTO stats? See below for reason of request.....



Ok, so a 7900GTO doesn't need to be voltmodded to achieve GTX speeds?? I can't see a straight overclock going from 1320 to 1600 mhz without a voltmod, even if I'm using a Zalman VF900?

I'm basically wondering for ALOT LESS $$, could I jack up the GTO to almost GTX performance.....or something "close"???

Now THAT might make me think twice about getting the X1900XT 256. I've always been happy with Nvidia, but just not their prices. The GTO seems to be a much better price range than their other products.



(sorry about so many edits, my brain is dead right now)
October 3, 2006 1:37:32 PM

Funny you should ask.

My Video Card Price/Perf Thread

If you have any prices on this card, I will gladly add it. I will assume the memory can be OC'd easily to GTX speeds and therefore have the same benchmarks.
a b U Graphics card
October 3, 2006 1:50:25 PM

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Hey Prozac, is this better? 8)



Update: I inadvertantly put the $329.99 for the X1900XT in the X1900XTX column earlier. I've readjusted it and Newegg currently has the best price at $326.12 for the XT.

I also had to update the X1900 Xfire data. I am assuming the X1900 Xfire system uses a X1900XTX and X1900 Xfire board. If this is incorrect, let me know and I will make adjustments as necessary. The X1900 Xfire is $349.99 at Newegg while the X1900XTX is $406.40 for a total of $756.39. The price for the X1950XTX is already for the Xfire, so the Xfire will naturally cost twice as much.

Skyguy, thanks for the lesson.


Yeah you've already updated it.


x1900XTX offers a better price/performance then a 7950GX2, but then again an x1900XT offers the best price/performance.
October 3, 2006 2:09:26 PM

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Having played with both of these graphics cards in 2 identical PCs, dollar for dollar, the X1900 XT is perhaps the best buy on the market right now.

Yes, a little noisy when pushed to its limit, but considering it and the XTX version are both based on the R580 chipset, it overclocks extremely well. I have managed to get my X1900 XT, with stock cooling, running stable at 668 MHz Core / 735 MHz Memory (Stock is 625 MHz Core / 720 MHz Memory).


I agree with most of that, but I don't see how the X1900XT overclocks extremely well from your results. A 7% OC on the core and a 2% OC on the memory is not very impressive. However, the card is generally not purchased for its overclockability as its stock performance is quite respectable in itself. A good buy right now in any event.
a b U Graphics card
October 3, 2006 2:51:03 PM

Picked up my 1900xt 512 mb for $297 on newegg 1 month ago!!!When I saw that I said the Heellll with dx10...Im goin for it
October 3, 2006 3:00:43 PM

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Having played with both of these graphics cards in 2 identical PCs, dollar for dollar, the X1900 XT is perhaps the best buy on the market right now.

Yes, a little noisy when pushed to its limit, but considering it and the XTX version are both based on the R580 chipset, it overclocks extremely well. I have managed to get my X1900 XT, with stock cooling, running stable at 668 MHz Core / 735 MHz Memory (Stock is 625 MHz Core / 720 MHz Memory).


I agree with most of that, but I don't see how the X1900XT overclocks extremely well from your results. A 7% OC on the core and a 2% OC on the memory is not very impressive. However, the card is generally not purchased for its overclockability as its stock performance is quite respectable in itself. A good buy right now in any event.

Well in terms of raw numbers, you're right, that's not a great overclock... But when you consider that the equivalent X1900 XTX retails for anywhere from $100-$150 more, and the X1900 XT is easily capable of reaching the same speeds, for its price point, all things considered, the X1900 XT is extremely hard to beat, and is certainly in a class all by itself. You definitely can't go wrong at the $250 price point buying it.
October 3, 2006 3:10:07 PM

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Well in terms of raw numbers, you're right, that's not a great overclock... But when you consider that the equivalent X1900 XTX retails for anywhere from $100-$150 more, and the X1900 XT is easily capable of reaching the same speeds, for its price point, all things considered, the X1900 XT is extremely hard to beat, and is certainly in a class all by itself. You definitely can't go wrong at the $250 price point buying it.


I completely agree with that. :)  Definitely not worth an extra $100-150 for the few extra fps it provides (to me).
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