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Total n00b questions here but I'm about to pull the trigger on the X6800 with the lastest Asus Premium board (590 chipset). However, this sudden chatter about the Kenstfield has me nervous. I understand that regardless of when you jump in, you will be behind the curve almost immediately but ...

Will the 590 chipset support Kentsfield? :?:

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Short anwser: you have to wait until an nForce590 Intel Edition board that's released after mid-November when they're equiped with the new C55XE MCP (Intel). This will be indicated by the motherboard's website when the time comes to differentiate between the old and new.
Or wait for DFI LANParty UT nF590SLI-T2R/G when it's released which is guaranteed to work with C2Q.

Long anwser: it's over 2 pages long...

There's absolutely no reason to get (Quad-)SLI unless you have the cash to blow on two most high-end gfx cards and nForce590 has bare any features advantage over Intel chipset. Not to mention overclocking which will be strictly limited to Intel chipsets.

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Short anwser: you have to wait until an nForce590 Intel Edition board that's released after mid-November when they're equiped with the new C55XE MCP (Intel). This will be indicated by the motherboard's website when the time comes to differentiate between the old and new.
Or wait for DFI LANParty UT nF590SLI-T2R/G when it's released which is guaranteed to work with C2Q.

Long anwser: it's over 2 pages long...

There's absolutely no reason to get (Quad-)SLI unless you have the cash to blow on two most high-end gfx cards and nForce590 has bare any features advantage over Intel chipset. Not to mention overclocking which will be strictly limited to Intel chipsets.



>> Not to mention overclocking which will be strictly limited to Intel chipsets

Well not strictly true... C19 does overclock, but just not that much. Thats the whole reason C55 is coming out earlier, because no-one wants C19.

No-one knows for sure yet but that is a big clue that C55 will overclock better. the real question is whether it will be as good as the intel chipsets.
Also the chances are that the 2-core extreme will overclock higher than at least the first quad core because of the unlocked multiplier and less heat issues.

The other point that is been made by lots of people is that many apps/games still aren't really multi-threaded enough to allow for the degree of pralellism where you really get any benifit from 4 cores. I'm sure that will change in future but many current apps and games are still not using a lot of paralellism (threads), meaning they will mostly only run on one core anyway.

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Well not strictly true... C19 does overclock, but just not that much. Thats the whole reason C55 is coming out earlier, because no-one wants C19.

No-one knows for sure yet but that is a big clue that C55 will overclock better. the real question is whether it will be as good as the intel chipsets.
Also the chances are that the 2-core extreme will overclock higher than at least the first quad core because of the unlocked multiplier and less heat issues.


Don't even try discussing it with me.
I have my own sources where I participate and being strictly forbidden to discuss.

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In the world of computer enthusiasts there are four levels:
1. Magazine writters that knows nothing more than a typical person you'll find in this forum. Everything they know are 1month outdated and they barely know what they're talking about.

2. Reviewers that writes for hardware websites. Most have fairly detailed knowledge in computing. Their articles lag behind by 1week which is reasonable.

3. The overclockers/reviewers(some from the 2nd level) that spends 24/7 on their computer and dig for latest info on secret hideout forums. At the same time doing their own experiments and posting results. Their info lags by 1day which again is reasonable.

4. The people who are behind the scene designing the product. They are the ones whom provides the info to the 3rd level group. They are the leaders of overclocking/technology edge.

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Wusy (& Co.), thanks for the prompt and informative response. I would appreciate some additional clarification.

My intent in buying the ASUS P5N32SLI Premium is not to run quad-SLI, but I do want a board that will run the Core 2 Duo, will be capable of running SLI, and could also run Quad Core when its released in mid-Novemeber. So, essentially, I'm looking for the holy grail of foward compatibility. I understood the ASUS P5N32SLI Premium is a nForce 590 Intel Edition board but, from what your saying, the C55XE MCP (Intel) is not equiped on that board? (By the way, what exactly is the C55XE MCP and why does it allow a mobo to run Quad Core?) If I were to buy the ASUS P5N32SLI Premium, could a bios revision allow forward compatibility with Quad?

Finally, would you recommend a different board -- currently available -- which would meet my intended specs better? Thought I'm more interested in SLI than CrossFire because of the maturity of SLI -- if I was to re-evaluate that, what mobo -- currently available -- would you suggest for Core 2 Duo, CrossFire, and Quad Core later?

I've pulled the n00b trigger here and fired a ton of questions. I appreciate the time and welcome any opinions. TIA.

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The current ASUS P5N32SLI Premium being shipped to the market uses C19, the old nForce4 SLI Intel Edition chipset, not capable of running C2Q and can't be overclocked an inch by my standards.
While C55, the real nForce590 Intel Edition chipset which is due out in early-November will have C2Q support and will be able to somewhat keep up with Intel's 975X when overclocking (but nowhere near 965P).

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The current ASUS P5N32SLI Premium being shipped to the market uses C19, the old nForce4 SLI Intel Edition chipset, not capable of running C2Q and can't be overclocked an inch by my standards.
While C55, the real nForce590 Intel Edition chipset which is due out in early-November will have C2Q support and will be able to somewhat keep up with Intel's 975X when overclocking (but nowhere near 965P).



So a current board, for better forward compatibility supporting the items I'm after? (I typically do not OC.)

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So a current board, for better forward compatibility supporting the items I'm after?


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While C55, the real nForce590 Intel Edition chipset which is due out in early-November will have C2Q support


and Quad-SLI support as do every nForce590 chipset(MCP).

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So, forgive my continued ignorance but you are suggesting the nForce 590 chipset, which will be released mid-November is the only board that will support everything I'm looking for.

However, I was asking if there is anything currently available (so I don't have to wait)?

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However, I was asking if there is anything currently available (so I don't have to wait)?


Sorry, none on market currently.

You know you shouldn' be getting Quad-SLI in the first place. You have seen the performance increase from it, they're next to none compared to SLI.
And 8800GTX is just on the horizon and will bring DX10 to the market.

By the time gfx cards do make full use of SLI, the mobo you bought would've been long obsolete.

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Mebbe I'm not typing as well as I should. I have NO interest in quad-SLI.

I do, however, have interest in standard SLI, current X6800 support, and potential future Kentsfield support.

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Then for the best graphics you can buy now, 2xX1950XT Crossfire and is currently dominating 2x7950GX2 Quad-SLI right now in both performance and more importantly image quality (and price too if you even care).
All Crossfire supporting boards supports Kentsfield on market currently, both 965P and 975X are in the game.

nVidia has lost the edge in both gfx card and in chipset for Intel a long time ago and won't recover until C55 and 8800GTX arrives.

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wusy, great stuff! Many thanks. One last question on the way out the door. Of the two chipsets (965P / 975X), which, in your opinion, has the better chance at surviving the longest?

Actually, just stumbled into an article on FiringSquad talking about the differences between both chipsets running Crossfire. It looks like the 975X is the better chipset for non-OC'ers like m'self.

Firing Squad 975X vs. 965P and Crossfire

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wusy, great stuff! Many thanks. One last question on the way out the door. Of the two chipsets (965P / 975X), which, in your opinion, has the better chance at surviving the longest?


No worries.

But if you only care about how long they'll survive in market, I would expect both to have the same life expectancy, they're targeted at difference market sectors afterall.

Both has its own advantages and disadvantage(just overclocking for 975X, being a slighly older chipset).

Do notice tho, if you're going with Crossfire you'll need 975X for maximum perfomance extraction. The reason behind it is boring and lengthy so I'll save some energy for my fingers. :wink:


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