Global Warming

Just wondering.

Yes, I'm aware of the extra 's in there. It keeps adding them in even though I'm taking them out.

Still not as bad as the sh[i][/i]it coming out of your mouth.

I bought it up because I was talking with this far left Democrat friend o'mine. He said humans are causing global warming. I therefore think all Democrats are idiots based on his single answer.

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yes i believe in it. however, i do not believe it is the carbon emissions that are responsible. i think it is something else. lets see who gets it first, it is very easy and a decades old thing that seems to have been forgotton(sp?).

Stop bleating or I will whip out my whanger and end the world right now.

hmm, you mention a couple of things. one yes we are coming out of a ice age and all that but never before or at least ot my knowledge has, without a significant natural event, there been such an acceleration of warming.

now, my belief is that carbon emmission we put out by industry and everything else, including industrial farming and exponential human population growth is a significant factor in global warming. however, i believe the main reason, is now what we add to the earth but what we subtract.

i am talking about deforestation. like i say, people used to go aon about deforestation alot in previous years but now not so much. yet, the reason our waste products may be having such a dire effect is because the earth can not clean up after ourselves as it could. combine that with other factors such as natural events and you have a situation which could cause problems.

still, i believe it is majorly down to deforestation and that if that was reversed in 20 years time we could see improvements.

i am positive however, that you and i will not agree on how much human involvement has on it. you will always arfue that it is little i will argue it is alot. i believe in preventative measures, you whatever the opposite or preventative is in this context(mind freeze).

I agree with riser to some extent on this. When people talk about global warming, I like to ask a question: How were the mountains formed?
3 ways:
1)Tectonic movement, the shifting of the major palates
2) Volcanic activity
3)Glacial movement.
Anyone seen any glaciers carving mountain ranges and valleys recently? Nope. Why not? They melted. Long before humans were emitting fluerocarbons, monoxides, or waste heat. I ran some numbers once....meaningless really, but I was curious. The averare cylic temps of venus and mars as compared to earth, corrected for relative distance from the sun. The number (again meaningless with out a lot more factors calculated in, especially considering the vast atmospheric differnces between the 3 planets) I came up with for the average cyclic temp earth should be was 111'F

That said I d think humanity has had an effect. As I noted top Jesse in another thread, studies showed war caused localized (if you want to consider a continet 'local') temp increases due to human war....not because of the actaul conflict, but because of the heat energy given off by decaying bodies.

I think we (humanity) do need to examine the problem, in depth and look at everything, not just the popularised excuses, factory emissions, deforrestation, automotive emmisions.

Yes.

You could start by looking at Hubbard Glacier, the largest in The USA.

You crack me up, calculations on a planetary scale and you don't know what's in your own back yard.

Yes...but we weren't around to suffer from it. Now we are. Hence, the worry.

Which could only be used as proof that puppies are smarter than humans.

I want to live on Pangea. We can take train rides to iceland and have sex with their women

Ozone depletion is a completely separate issue to global warming, created by different causes and having different effects.

Ozone depletion WAS a fact - at it's worse, the hole had grown so large that most of Australia was completely exposed. However, since humans massively reduced their use of CFCs and HFCs, the ozone layer has started to recover.

But you'll probably say that that was a coincedence...

Just like the llama's arse.

...*staggers away, badly wounded*....

The hole in the ozone has been around as long as anyone knows.. (That's what I had meant to write previously.)

The hole exists. Yes, we have an impact on it as we know exactly what causes it. But the hole was there before humans as well.

The earth has its natural balance. It will heat up, cool off, etc.

I don't believe we need to make a 180 tomorrow to curb this impact as the Kyoto treaty states. I would say we are more aware of it and should go about gradually changing our ways.

The Kyoto wants to make a huge change in a short time - which in other countries is fine but it would greatly hurt the US economy. Gradual changes.

I have no problems with 'going green' in many instances but I don't believe that I need to sell my truck and go by an economic car tomorrow.

I'd say we have some impact on it.. again, we're thinking we're the all powerful on our little planet. Cows are doing more damage to the earth than all that cars in the US. C'mon. People are digging to use this in anyway possible.

Each country should look to improve their own system instead of everyone conforming to the same level. You can't ask different societies, countries, etc, to all follow the same path to get to the same level. That's what I have against the Kyoto. Aside from that, China is not included in the Kyoto and everyone knows they have some heavy pollution and makes LA look like a paradise.

Gradual reduction and change but don't push it to the breaking point of a country or the people.

...*tries to make a quick escape from cutting llama remarks*...

You gotta admit I've had it coming.

The ice age was also completely man-made. Mars is a wasteland because man did it.

You probably also think the world is flat and the center on the universe because everything revolves around us.

Realize the world is big. It has its own checks and balances. We can learn to manipulate that balance but making a 180 tomorrow may slow down warming by .1 degree over the course of the next 25 years, but its going to ruin a whole hell of a lot more.

Each country should take their own steps to reduce global warming instead of holding all to the same benchmark.

I'm not saying global warmning isn't happening. Its been happening for the last couple thousands years.

I assume you also believe that the Sahara Desert was caused by man eh?

Your quote right there.

Also, the head guy of NASA came out and made a statement that Global Warming is being blown out of proportion, then he was forced to apologize because it was not his place to make the full statement from NASA.

Besides, your statement you quoted from NASA shows that it is in fact a major natural occurance.

Since you're so concerned about CO2 being released into the air, do your part and quit breathing.

I agree to that. My argument is that Democrats are saying Humans are causing global warming.

We add to it. Yes. We are not causing global warming though. It existed before us, it will exist after us, as will global cooling.

We can slow it or speed it up and with current technology, science, and ability, we can not currently stop it or control it.

What we need are new terms.

Global Warming = one thing humans are doing to the planet.
Natural Global Climate Cycle = the natural process that Global Warming is being confused with. [/someone come up with a better name please...]

We (humanity) are NOT the cause of the rising temperatures, receding glaciers, and melting ice caps. We ARE the reason why the rate of temperature increase, glacier recession, and ice cap melting is far higher than it should be.

If you read my link, he says there are still some scientists that disagree, but it's a small minority.

Also, I would imagine the National Hurricane Center (US), get's its funding, from the government. Hmmm...

you say that riser is always biased about his points no matter what. well in all actuality he is about alot of things but yet you are the exact same way. you always think that because something is funded by the govt it is inherently corrupt. i think you should take your own advice and stop being spoonfed information about your ideas. (albeit conspiracies, global warming, democratic ideals, etc. etc.)

im not saying youre wrong or right but you have an air of superiority because "what you believe is correct" maybe listen(or read in this case) and discuss rather than automatically discount everything everyone else says man. be fair is all im saying. if not you sir are a hypocrit.

honestly im not flaming just something i notice, and it isnt to try to bait you into an argument, just a mild observation. cheers.