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I live in the US, and I have EVERY right under the DMRA to bi-pass and copy my legally obtained and owned media without paying a fee. Its called Fair use... I don't and wont pay MORE for the ability to copy a media that I legally own (and that is suggested in the article), when according to the law I am able to copy my media without their permission. This article is a Joke, and their Ideas are a half witted attempt to prevent the ultimate concussion thats coming. (more on this later)

Wake up Cyberlink, ATI, NVidia, The Movie Industry, and everyone else... The cats out of the bag (AGAIN), we can decode your DVD's... Give up on the copyright protection attempts, and start giving your legitimate users what they really want and have a right to. Easy, unobtrusive access to legally obtained content. DRM is a joke... Over and Over again, we see one attempt after another fail.

Are these people stupid? Don't they realize they live in a country that has free speech. Free Speech = Free Information. Free Information means that copyright's are for people who want to and see value in the information they get. DRM hurts the legitimate owners of content, not the individuals download and mass distribute media.

Do they really think that by adding an HDCP requirement to all video cards in order to play HD/BR DVD's that it will increase their Media Sales? Maybe toss on a HDMI 1.2 or 1.3 requirement to all DVD players sold. That would really make people run out and buy new AV Receivers, TV's, and ofcourse Media Readers. Charge licensees on the software that plays their products, making it difficult and expensive to buy poorly developed, badly implemented, and totally obtrusive software (like powerDVD). Wait, Let me rush out and spend my thousands so that I can pay $20 a pop for a 2 hour movie. Blue Ray and HD-DVD? Are you joking me? I have to own TWO DVD Players to play all HD Movies? Are you insaine...

(now the part I mentioned above) Democrats have both houses of Congress, and the Republicans don't look good at winning another election anytime soon. Big business your time has come... The pickings are right. HD content, Media Centers, HD TV's, are all coming, and the rich politicians will be the first "Normal" Americans to own this equipment. When they find out that they cant copy their DVD's to there personal online library... what do you think they will say about "Fair Use"?

Wasn't there a lawsuit not to long ago based on the cost of SD-DVD's and the assumption that the prices was illegally inflated due to an illegal trust. That lawsuit happened when New SD-DVD's were priced over $20, and old ones costed between $10-$20... sounds familiar? That lawsuit ended in a settlement, which dropped the prices dramatically.

Currently HD & BR DVD's cost up words of $30 a pop. Hmmm...

The world is going to collapse around these companies, they only need a push. The poor musician struggling to make money excuse wont cut it no more. These companies are actively partaking in unfair, immoral, and illegal behavior. They are getting a taste of public opinion changing, and they are getting scared. So their plan is obvious... Lets make some compromises, and thus lessen the blow. Maybe make our technology less obtrusive by just a bit.

Until we as a public view, and talk about, these companies as they really are, then nothing will change. Its about time we change the way we talk about this technology and the laws governing it. Its about time we reject the poor musician not getting paid excuse and start retorting this argument by blatantly pointing out what it really is: an untrue attempt at feeling bad for the people who, in the past and present haven't been effected by this logic.

Want proof? Point out the amazing music coming out of the stores these days. Point out the huge increase in choice of music available. The loss of products with one good song on a CD. Point out the increasingly larger number of artists selling their music locally and globally. Point out the increased amount of money reaching the musicians pockets, and the lowered costs to the consumers.

Sony say sales numbers are down? Thats because people are buying music from Steve Jobs! Sony says they have to lay off X amount of people? Well tell them to go apply at I-tunes!

Big artists crying about there decrease in salaries Now they are replaced by 10 or 20 different artists all taking a small peace of the same sized pie. The only losers of this are the poor stock holders of the once "major" record industries crying foul while they were stuffing billions in their pockets while paying mere pennies to those who did all the work.

We must stop answering the question "Is it legal to backup a DVD?" with a "No" and start answering it with a "Yes, it is... its called Fair Use, and their is a law protecting this behavior."! Its time to point out that the music you buy today, may not play on the device you buy tomorrow!

Thank you SlySoft, for building a product that enables people who legitimately own Media to back it up on their Media Centers, so that they can easily access the media, and keep the originals in a safe location. I hope to see companies like slysoft be able to move into the great United States of America under the provision that you guys protect legitimate owners of media their rights to manage that media in any way they see fit.

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Moderator Warning ... you're about to get burned yourself ... but don't back-up ... we have a wingding lurking :lol:

Reply to Jake_Barnes

Go ahead, play into the arms of big business... Dont attempt to change your attitude, or the attitude of people around you... see where we end up as a nation.

Im tired of it, and its about time the people who know about this stuff starts talking about it. Steve Jobs has already started the arguement. Its time we as the people end it.

Reply to GreenJelly
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related news:

cpsIII has finally been cracked.

woot capcom take that.

Reply to mrface

greenjelly, I'll PM you a new forum where they'll love posts like yours ... seriously, they'll take it to heart!

Reply to Jake_Barnes
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Quote :

greenjelly, I'll PM you a new forum where they'll love posts like yours ... seriously, they'll take it to heart!



ROLF :lol: :lol:

Reply to turpit
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I thought you left?

Reply to Anoobis

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Currently HD & BR DVD's cost up words of $30 a pop. Hmmm...



Upwards

Reply to KingLoftusXII
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I heard Maroon5 on Howard Stern today and they were talking about where they get their money from. According to them, they make most of their money off tours and DVD sales, not CD sales. They said the majority of CD sales go to record companies.

I'm comforted to know that the RIAA is looking out for the artists. :roll:

Reply to mpjesse
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I have now got a sinus headache, and my balls feel slightly warped. While I agree - to a large degree - with what you're going on about, please bear the following in mind:

SAY IT IN AS FEW WORDS AS YOU CAN!

Stickies... read the farking stickies!

*bashes greenjelly into unconsciousness with a leather-bound copy of the DRM lawbooks*

*dresses the comatose greenjelly in a llama suit*

*leaves llama-suited greenjelly in an appropriate position and departs hurriedly*

Reply to Mugz
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Good god that's hard bloody reading. I lost the will to live after two paragraphs. Now, go don the llamasuit, your destiny awaits.

*Watches from safe distance*

Reply to Veryon

...*enters, pants bulging worryingly*...

Reply to WingDing
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*Backs off to minimum safe distance, namely Antarctica*

Reply to Veryon

Q: How do you get a pound of flesh out of a fly?

A: Undo the zip....

...*awaits derisory comments*... :oops:

Reply to WingDing
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*drum roll & cymbal crash*

Aye thankyou.

Give it time, and I will take the michael. Not just yet though

Reply to Veryon

While I completely agree, there's no reason for a post like this. You're preaching to the choir.

I understand the need for companies to protect their investments, but they should really be finding new ways to make money, such as what Apple did with the iPod / iTunes. I hate Crapple because they added the stupid proprietary connector to the iPod to allow it to be controlled, and then everyone bought it, and it became standard issue because everyone bought it, but also because it was proprietary. You can dock it in a car and use the radio to control it. I can't do that with my Zen. Apple made a choice to make it less "user friendly" (universal prolly fits better), but pulled a benefit from it that likely increased sales. If you go to Crutchfield.com, one of the search options is iPod compatible.

Same with the gas companies. I hate the oil companies for charging what they do, but I don't blame them for trying to make more money for their shareholders. BP has a committment to them, not us. I gotta believe there's some collusion or similiar going on, but I don't have a choice in getting gas.


Anyway, long story short, piss off, as[b][/b]shat.

Reply to JustPlainJef

Toms hardware, the place that keeps loosing Google rank. I hate this place. Its like talking to a bunch of 2 year olds. The moderator's are the ones that start the flame. WAY TO GO!

Anyways, some people out there actually posted good ideas about my thread. I would like to read how they would of wrote what I said. I just want to see these ideas spread to the public, and would like to distribute the post to other forums.

Can I just add a great big FUCK YOU to all that decide to flame, now go have your fun...

Reply to GreenJelly

You complete prat.


1. You post a long-winded rant referring to "the article" without providing a link or even a reference to what you're ranting about.

2. You obviously hadn't read the stickies, or you would have known that we don't discuss tech issues down here.

3. Even after a mod warns you of what's coming, you whine because no-one wants to listen to you.

If you don't like it here, just f[i][/i]uck off and leave us alone, you tiresome, pointless waste of carbon.

Reply to llama_man

Thanks for the PM ... now, go **** yourself too.

Reply to Jake_Barnes

Quote :

Toms hardware, the place that keeps loosing Google rank. I hate this place. Its like talking to a bunch of 2 year olds. The moderator's are the ones that start the flame. WAY TO GO!

Anyways, some people out there actually posted good ideas about my thread. I would like to read how they would of wrote what I said. I just want to see these ideas spread to the public, and would like to distribute the post to other forums.

Can I just add a great big **** YOU to all that decide to flame, now go have your fun...



1. "Toms hardware" - it is possessive and should have an apostrophe before the "s".

2. "loosing" is actually spelt "losing" - it's not that hard a word to spell.

3. "It's", not "its" - you are abberviating "it is", so there should be an apostrophe to mark the removed letters.

4. "moderator's" - this is a plural, not a possessive, and so shouldn't have an apostophe. You're really struggling with these apostrophes, aren't you?

5. "would of" - should be "would have"

6. "wrote" - in this context the correct word is "written"

Six major spelling, punctuation and grammar errors in an eight-sentence post? Nice work. I'd suggest going back to school to learn some basic English skills.

Reply to llama_man
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If you hate the place, then why post? Why hang around somewhere you dislike so intensly. You're a bit of a dick really, aren't you?

Reply to Veryon
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+6 UK English Pedantry Points.

Reply to Mugz
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Quote :

Toms hardware, the place that keeps loosing Google rank. I hate this place. Its like talking to a bunch of 2 year olds. The moderator's are the ones that start the flame. WAY TO GO!

Anyways, some people out there actually posted good ideas about my thread. I would like to read how they would of wrote what I said. I just want to see these ideas spread to the public, and would like to distribute the post to other forums.

Can I just add a great big **** YOU to all that decide to flame, now go have your fun...



no one cares what you think twit. just go away. please. i beg of you. let us enjoy our n00b free section of the forumz.

OR

read the stinkin' stickies and join our misery.

Reply to mpjesse
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Do us all a favor, eat cement mix and drink some drain cleaner.

..*DRM-Free FART*..

You may, without penalty, constraint, or retribution by legal recourse redistribute the preceding fart at any location you deem appropriate.

Reply to _WW_
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it really is DRM free!

[/12 year old voice]

thanks WW!

Reply to mpjesse

Quote :

Toms hardware, the place that keeps loosing Google rank.

I have to agree with this in an unorthodox way. Tom's hardware isn't near as great as what it was when I joined, and I joined after it went downhill. It is a bit late to complain, but really, what the hell is with the hideous front page? The old one was exceptional! I guess I will just have to wait five years until they switch it to something else.

Oh, I almost forgot. You suck on a level so massive that only a seasoned porn star could rival your suckage. Get the fuck out, die, get revived by paramedics, die again, and then get raped by Wingding. Your very existence offends me. The very air you exhale when attempting to take grasp of the English language is foul.

Thank you. No go, and rest in pieces.

Reply to Caboose-1
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Quote :

I have to agree with this in an unorthodox way. Tom's hardware isn't near as great as what it was when I joined, and I joined after it went downhill.



*nods*

But suckiness is a relative term in this context. THG is great for a generally n00bish mainstream audience. For hardcore enthusiasts it's lost a lot of appeal. Which is fine... you can't be everything to everyone. After all, the big money is in mainstream, not niche's.

Which is why I left...

Reply to mpjesse
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And also why noob sightings are on the increase.

Reply to Mugz
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Errrm.... hmmm...... ummmm...... :?

Reply to Veryon
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You naughty little kitten... give the man his tongue back!

Reply to Mugz

Quote :

I live in the US, and I have EVERY right under the DMRA to bi-pass and copy my legally obtained and owned media without paying a fee. Its called Fair use... I don't and wont pay MORE for the ability to copy a media that I legally own (and that is suggested in the article), when according to the law I am able to copy my media without their permission. This article is a Joke, and their Ideas are a half witted attempt to prevent the ultimate concussion thats coming. (more on this later)

Wake up Cyberlink, ATI, NVidia, The Movie Industry, and everyone else... The cats out of the bag (AGAIN), we can decode your DVD's... Give up on the copyright protection attempts, and start giving your legitimate users what they really want and have a right to. Easy, unobtrusive access to legally obtained content. DRM is a joke... Over and Over again, we see one attempt after another fail.

Are these people stupid? Don't they realize they live in a country that has free speech. Free Speech = Free Information. Free Information means that copyright's are for people who want to and see value in the information they get. DRM hurts the legitimate owners of content, not the individuals download and mass distribute media.

Do they really think that by adding an HDCP requirement to all video cards in order to play HD/BR DVD's that it will increase their Media Sales? Maybe toss on a HDMI 1.2 or 1.3 requirement to all DVD players sold. That would really make people run out and buy new AV Receivers, TV's, and ofcourse Media Readers. Charge licensees on the software that plays their products, making it difficult and expensive to buy poorly developed, badly implemented, and totally obtrusive software (like powerDVD). Wait, Let me rush out and spend my thousands so that I can pay $20 a pop for a 2 hour movie. Blue Ray and HD-DVD? Are you joking me? I have to own TWO DVD Players to play all HD Movies? Are you insaine...

(now the part I mentioned above) Democrats have both houses of Congress, and the Republicans don't look good at winning another election anytime soon. Big business your time has come... The pickings are right. HD content, Media Centers, HD TV's, are all coming, and the rich politicians will be the first "Normal" Americans to own this equipment. When they find out that they cant copy their DVD's to there personal online library... what do you think they will say about "Fair Use"?

Wasn't there a lawsuit not to long ago based on the cost of SD-DVD's and the assumption that the prices was illegally inflated due to an illegal trust. That lawsuit happened when New SD-DVD's were priced over $20, and old ones costed between $10-$20... sounds familiar? That lawsuit ended in a settlement, which dropped the prices dramatically.

Currently HD & BR DVD's cost up words of $30 a pop. Hmmm...

The world is going to collapse around these companies, they only need a push. The poor musician struggling to make money excuse wont cut it no more. These companies are actively partaking in unfair, immoral, and illegal behavior. They are getting a taste of public opinion changing, and they are getting scared. So their plan is obvious... Lets make some compromises, and thus lessen the blow. Maybe make our technology less obtrusive by just a bit.

Until we as a public view, and talk about, these companies as they really are, then nothing will change. Its about time we change the way we talk about this technology and the laws governing it. Its about time we reject the poor musician not getting paid excuse and start retorting this argument by blatantly pointing out what it really is: an untrue attempt at feeling bad for the people who, in the past and present haven't been effected by this logic.

Want proof? Point out the amazing music coming out of the stores these days. Point out the huge increase in choice of music available. The loss of products with one good song on a CD. Point out the increasingly larger number of artists selling their music locally and globally. Point out the increased amount of money reaching the musicians pockets, and the lowered costs to the consumers.

Sony say sales numbers are down? Thats because people are buying music from Steve Jobs! Sony says they have to lay off X amount of people? Well tell them to go apply at I-tunes!

Big artists crying about there decrease in salaries Now they are replaced by 10 or 20 different artists all taking a small peace of the same sized pie. The only losers of this are the poor stock holders of the once "major" record industries crying foul while they were stuffing billions in their pockets while paying mere pennies to those who did all the work.

We must stop answering the question "Is it legal to backup a DVD?" with a "No" and start answering it with a "Yes, it is... its called Fair Use, and their is a law protecting this behavior."! Its time to point out that the music you buy today, may not play on the device you buy tomorrow!

Thank you SlySoft, for building a product that enables people who legitimately own Media to back it up on their Media Centers, so that they can easily access the media, and keep the originals in a safe location. I hope to see companies like slysoft be able to move into the great United States of America under the provision that you guys protect legitimate owners of media their rights to manage that media in any way they see fit.





Ridiculously verbose; ridiculously conceived; ridiculously written.

Reply to BomberBill

ReGodDa[b][/b]mnDiculous!

Quote :

1. "Toms hardware" - it is possessive and should have an apostrophe before the "s".

Tom's Hardware, proper title.

-1 Pedantry point.

Reply to JustPlainJef

Gosh I'd love to have sex with that hot wife of yours.

Aub's "southern lady" is no longer interested in having ass sex with an Aussie battler.

I know, I know. Go figure, eh. What woman in the world wouldn't want to cop one up-the-date from a convict? The sheer audacity of these sheilas is astounding. Post-modern feminism has reached an all-time new high, or so they say.

I still say you've not lived until....


hahah.

:lol:

For women it's different, I suppose.

[/outrageous!]

Reply to BomberBill
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*looks at the bonuses in sigs*

Oh dear God, what have I started?

Reply to Mugz

Well, I was quoting the OP, so whilst I should have pointed out his error (for completeness), it would have wrong to mis-quote him.

-2 pedantry points and -1 netiquette for you.

Reply to llama_man
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Quote :

ReGodDa[b][/b]mnDiculous!



:lol: :lol:

Youve been waiting all these years since Austin Powers came out to use that in a post, havent you?

Reply to turpit

Quote :

Well, I was quoting the OP, so whilst I should have pointed out his error (for completeness), it would have been wrong to mis-quote him.


corrected. -2 pedantry points?

Reply to Jake_Barnes

Quote :

ReGodDa[b][/b]mnDiculous!



:lol: :lol:

Youve been waiting all these years since Austin Powers came out to use that in a post, havent you?

It's also an old drunken John Wayne qoute from a speech he made a long
time ago. "It's gettin' to be re-God-dam-diculous."

Reply to KingLoftusXII
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Quote :

ReGodDa[b][/b]mnDiculous!



:lol: :lol:

Youve been waiting all these years since Austin Powers came out to use that in a post, havent you?

It's also an old drunken John Wayne qoute from a speech he made a long
time ago. "It's gettin' to be re-God-dam-diculous."

I didnt know that. What movie? Or was it just some public speech?

Reply to turpit

Quote :

Well, I was quoting the OP, so whilst I should have pointed out his error (for completeness), it would have wrong to mis-quote him.

-2 pedantry points and -1 netiquette for you.

Right, but you should have fixed it. Since you were showing how bad he was and you missed it, I had to hit you on it. Why the hell would I lose pedant points?

And I'm sure I'm worse than -1 on my netiquette... I'll pick a random number to start with.

@Turdbiter - I've used it before, but yes, I do love the quote.

@ QueenLoser - If JW started it, more power to him, not that he needs it.

Reply to JustPlainJef

Quote :

I didnt know that. What movie? Or was it just some public speech?



I've only heard to audio. Sounds like a speech he was making...while drunk.

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