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October 7, 2006 3:39:59 AM

OK, some things are bought (and generally in-use as a temp upgrade to the current machine) and will be used in the new rig:

GPU: eVga 7900GT
PSU: Hiper Type-R 580W PSU
Optical: SATA CD/DVD writer
Secondary HDD: Seagate 300GB 8MB Cache SATA
Monitor: 19" ACER AL1916WS widescreen TFT
Sound: Creative X-Fi Xtreme Music
Speakers: Logitech X-230 2.1 system
Keyboard: Saitek Eclipse Illuminated
Mouse: 1600DPI Laser
Joystick: Saitek Cyborg Evo


I'm planning to buy:

Motherboard: AW9D-MAX
Processor: E6600
RAM: 2GB DDR2 800Mhz 4-4-4-12 (probably GSkill, not fixed to a brand, just a spec)
CPU Cooler: Thermaltake Big Typhoon
Case: Thermaltake Eclipse DV VC6000BNA
Main HDD: Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 320GB w/ 16MB cache SATA
OS: Windows XP Pro SP2


I'm mostly gaming (Oblivion ect...) and some MP3 encoding and general surfing. So, any input/suggestions? Maybe I'm missing something? Some incompatability I've missed?
a c 90 B Homebuilt system
October 7, 2006 3:47:50 PM

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I'm planning to buy:
Motherboard: AW9D-MAX
Processor: E6600
RAM: 2GB DDR2 800Mhz 4-4-4-12 (probably GSkill, not fixed to a brand, just a spec)
CPU Cooler: Thermaltake Big Typhoon
Case: Thermaltake Eclipse DV VC6000BNA
Main HDD: Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 320GB w/ 16MB cache SATA
OS: Windows XP Pro SP2
Good looking list.
G.SKILL DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) "HZ" good for overclocking

PULL!
October 8, 2006 2:51:10 AM

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I'm planning to buy:
Motherboard: AW9D-MAX
Processor: E6600
RAM: 2GB DDR2 800Mhz 4-4-4-12 (probably GSkill, not fixed to a brand, just a spec)
CPU Cooler: Thermaltake Big Typhoon
Case: Thermaltake Eclipse DV VC6000BNA
Main HDD: Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 320GB w/ 16MB cache SATA
OS: Windows XP Pro SP2
Good looking list.
G.SKILL DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) "HZ" good for overclocking

PULL!

:) 

OK, still a little antsy on the memory. There's this: http://www.pc-solve.co.uk/contentitempage.aspx?contenti... at £186.82 (inc VAT) which I think is what you recommended and then there is this: http://www.chillblast.com/product.php?productid=17459&c... for £180.94 (inc VAT) and other than having blue spreaders and being ZX series instead of HZ series I don't know what the difference is (other than about £6.00).

The G.Skill site iteslf isn't too helpful either, and the PK ones are almost identical in appearance to the NZ modules...

Of course, there is always this I suppose: http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?catid=813... for £204.44 (inc VAT) but is it worth the extra £20.00?
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a c 90 B Homebuilt system
October 8, 2006 3:23:32 AM

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other than having blue spreaders and being ZX series instead of HZ series I don't know what the difference is (other than about £6.00).
The difference is voltage for the HZ is 2.0~2.1v and for the NZ its higher at 2.2v. Not a problem for 975 motherboards like your AW9D-MAX but 2.2v not always recommend for 965 motherboards. HZ is the better choice given the small price difference.
There is a good chance the Geil RAM uses the same chips as the G.Skill.
You could use any of those 3 and probably never notice the difference without extreme overclocking.
October 8, 2006 4:00:15 AM

Its not only a voltage issue. Its mainly and overclocking one.
HZ>PK>ZX
The ZX will practically only work at stock speeds. The PK is kind of a hit and miss but could proove some MHz. And the HZ will surely go to 533+Mhz CL5 with just a little voltage bump.
There must be some cheaper kits like Geil or Patriot, even OCZ, that are cheaper than the HZ and will go to the happy place the HZ can. Do alot of research before buying.

For high OCs The Scythe Infinity or Thermalright Ultra-120 are the best. Dont forget to pair them up with a fast (<1600RPM) for max performance.
October 8, 2006 4:02:04 AM

Well, I'm a just getting started overclocker(but planning to grow into it), so I suppose I'm fretting over nothing anyhow. Just hate buying components twice. But I think I will pop for the HZ modules (hey, it's only £6.00 anyhow). Thanks for the help.
October 8, 2006 4:53:12 AM

OK, rwaritsdario, your post came in while I was writing the last one. Thanks for your info too. Sadly, in the UK RAM seems to be a bit more of a rip-off than elsewhere (like North America).

The Geil above is the cheapest I've found them for a 2gb set in spec.

OCZ seems to come in at 4-5-4-15 for not much less (£170.09 here) or a lot more for 4-4-4-12 (£276.56 here).

Kingston HyperX get's CL4 but no mention of the timing and at 750Mhz (which seems a little strange) for a considerable savings (£138.19 here) or at CL5 and 5-5-5-15 for £208.12 here but will run 4-4-4-12 at 800MHz.

Corsair comes in here for £145.25 but at 5-5-5-12 or at £194.99 for 4-4-4-12 here.

Going by the numbers, the Kingston CL5 set might be an option, but I haven't read much good said about Kingston and OC.

I already have 2 Kingston pairs of 1GB sticks at PC4200 533Mhz and a pair of OEM Samsung 512MB 533 but I don't think they'll work with the new board and so haven't mentioned them before now - they'll just live for the old machine or a future project I think.
October 8, 2006 5:00:30 AM

If the kits you already have are DDR no they wont work.

Considering your OP I think I just confused you a little :oops: 

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RAM: 2GB DDR2 800Mhz 4-4-4-12 (probably GSkill, not fixed to a brand, just a spec)


Thats all you need. Just pick the cheapest but stay clear from the Gskill PK if you want a real solid OC.
Dont forget to research on w/e you pick.
October 8, 2006 6:12:25 AM

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If the kits you already have are DDR no they wont work.

Considering your OP I think I just confused you a little :oops: 

RAM: 2GB DDR2 800Mhz 4-4-4-12 (probably GSkill, not fixed to a brand, just a spec)


Thats all you need. Just pick the cheapest but stay clear from the Gskill PK if you want a real solid OC.
Dont forget to research on w/e you pick.

Actually they are DDR2, but not rated. The Abit AW9D-MAX site does say it supports 533Mhz. Hmmm... I could wait on the memory until prices fall off some (or get my cousin in the US to post me some) and then start messing about in OCing boats. :D 

I selected 2GB 800Mhz at 4-4-4-12 as recommeded spec on a cost/performance ratio with an eye towards the future. I'm researching my stuff, but I'm still learning the OC stuff and can't practice until the new rig is built (only locked machines in the house right now). I acknowledge that I can't read everything and that I could be wrong or not have a complete understanding in this area, so if there's a better approach I'm still open. The funds to make all this happen come to the account on Tuesday (hurrah for stock options!) so I'm not buying until then.

While I'm at it, what's the deal with MVL copies of XP and Office?

As for cooler, I had considered those you mention, but my prime concern is OC and still able to sleep about 4 feet from the machine while running. What I've read indicates that I should get good results with the Big Typhoon and yet keep near 20db.
October 8, 2006 7:07:13 AM

Definetly wait on the RAM if you cant. Sadly prices arent expected to go down until after xmas this year.

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While I'm at it, what's the deal with MVL copies of XP and Office?


MVL??

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As for cooler, I had considered those you mention, but my prime concern is OC and still able to sleep about 4 feet from the machine while running. What I've read indicates that I should get good results with the Big Typhoon and yet keep near 20db.


The stock fan on the Scythe Infinity is rated at 23db and its still an excellent cooler with that fan. You could get Aerocool XtremeTurbine wich provides 90CFM with just 32db (this is still considered the quiet side).
October 8, 2006 5:30:33 PM

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MVL=Multiple Volume License
I've got practically zillions of those for WinXP Pro, Win2K3 and Office2K3 Pro...


Any particular advantage/disadvantage to these over other versions? <£20.00 vs. ca. £60 for a OEM version has a lot of appeal but leaves me wondering where the sting in the tail will be.
October 11, 2006 1:19:22 AM

OK, so tonight's the night. I'm sourcing and buying my components this evening as the money is now in my account (again, share options, woo-hoo!).

So far, the rig looks like this:

*GPU: eVga 7900GT
*PSU: Hiper Type-R 580W PSU
*Optical: Samsung SATA CD/DVD writer
*Secondary HDD: Seagate 300GB 8MB Cache SATA
*Monitor: 19" ACER AL1916WS widescreen TFT
*Sound: Creative X-Fi Xtreme Music OEM
*Speakers: Logitech X-230 2.1 system
*Keyboard: Saitek Eclipse Illuminated
*Mouse: 1600DPI Laser
*Joystick: Saitek Cyborg Evo
*RAM: 3GB of DDR2 533Mhz 4-4-4-12 consiting of 2x1GB Kingston & 2X 512MB Samsung - legacy until later upgrade

Motherboard: AW9D-MAX £137.17 from LambdaTek
Processor: E6600 £207.54 from LambdaTek
CPU Cooler: Thermaltake Big Typhoon for £23.44 from Eclipse Computers
Case: Thermaltake Eclipse DV VC6000BNA £68.03 from Clickonit
Main HDD: Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 320GB w/ 16MB cache SATA £66.15 from LambdaTek
OS: Windows XP Pro SP2 £19.53 from LambdaTek

All prices are inclusive of VAT (which is effectively a 17.5% sales tax) but not inclusive of delivery. Prices and links are for those curious.

The GPU was ca. £136 and the PSU was <£60.00 bringing us to a before shipping total of approximately £720.00 (roughly $1368.00). Shipping will probably rack me up another £30.00 to bring us to £750.00 ($1425.00). Honestly this is a little more than initially planned, but then I have opted for higher-spec components than what I was originally planning (i.e 7600GT, Gigabyte DS3, stock cooler, lower-end case) but I decided that since I can afford to, why not build to a higher standard and get my feet wet in OC, wait longer on DX10, and enjoy that case for a good few years.

*The already bought or legacy components
October 11, 2006 2:37:44 AM

Awesome, Happy Ocing :D  and GL.
October 11, 2006 3:18:30 AM

Looks good but spare the HDD, perhaps the 16Mb cache wont do much speed improvement
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